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Post by Rascoth on Jun 5, 2017 13:53:17 GMT
Well, it's been 10 years, and he does not have to bare his soul to the first stranger he meets. If that was the case, NPCs wouldn't tell us half the stuff they do
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 13:53:42 GMT
just completed the g of a dlc - fought a bunch of walking rocks - fought a bunch of zombies - I fought Orsino's father at the end. hahaha Oh my goodness, where do you find the joy in replaying that DLC?
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 13:58:17 GMT
With that said, DA:I keeps failing to start. It takes me about seven tries to get it to "stick" and reach the Continue/New Game/etc screen. Then it's usually fine, but trying to load the Descent is an exercise in frustration. After meeting the Nug King, I tried travelling back to the main camp to offload my inventory. I got an infinite loading screen instead. Grrrr. I love the Deep Roads, but I doubt I'll play it again. I've never had a problem with DLC except for falling through the floor a bit, and you can't save at that bit, which I found frustrating. But I hear the DLCs are not friendly to mods. Think that is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 13:58:56 GMT
phoray - just take a break for a few weeks, it really helps with keeping gaming fresh. No time's better than the summer for it anyway. Since, finally can get outdoors and stuff. I keep wanting to turn the rig off till September.
This was a PT I'd put on hold since November. After I put it on hold, I played DAI + Trespasser with a guy, and started two DA2 games of which I've gotten to Act 2 and then paused. Then last week I started a DAI game with this Brosca as the Warden in that World State. I wanted to make sure it got done, so that when I see Leliana and the Lel/Warden Epi slides, It'll be meaningful. Hopefully. I don't know if it's all three of the Trilogy I've gotten tired of, or just Origins. But if I pause Brosca, who lives on my PS3, then take an Job Assignment, she could go unfinished quite a long time as I do not travel with my PS3. I'm pushing myself to finish. At least, at the end, I could play my insane aggro mage Hawke that romance Merril. DA2 is always something to enjoy Too short to hate, no seemingly endless Fade and Deep Roads Quests. Family Members built around you. I mean getting off that hamster wheel for a while altogether. The feeling of pushing yourself vs enjoying every moment of it for me means that I am just tired of the games. It's hard to not game when it's build into your day, and your mind does the "do list" endlessly, but yeah, after a detox it's better. I dunno. I am starting to feel I need a gaming detox so I can enjoy them more. But, hey, it's raining tonight, so... maybe I will start tomorrow. Heh. After MMO I am extra jumpy at any signs of addiction.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 5, 2017 14:01:20 GMT
Oh my goodness, where do you find the joy in replaying that DLC? Playing as an arcane warrior is fun. When swinging the sword at the golems it makes that "clang" noise. The other thing is the dlc doesn't take long to complete. Not like my first time which took hours since I had no idea what I was doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 14:06:58 GMT
Well, it's been 10 years, and he does not have to bare his soul to the first stranger he meets. But it sucks that you don't get any lines that hint of the fate of your character, because he is actually rather blaze about the fight 10 years ago, sounding like he is annoyed that people keep asking him about it, and would rather talk about the present Alistair. So, yeah, it does not sound flattering to the player who does want to hear something that confirms their Warden was important to her lover. If you'd brought him to fight the Archdemon, he would have literally tricked you out of doing it, and killed the dragon himself, dying in the process. No other LI is willing to do that. Blame the Devs, not my sweet Alistair. I am not blaming Alistair, I wanted to see him, so I set it up that she dies, he lives. I did not want Stroud again, I wanted someone I care about. It would have been easier to care about him more, if he did sigh about the Warden. Like when he is the king, he irritatingly tells Teagan "she has a name" even though the two parted ways on his insistence. But, I suppose, the devs did not think anyone was loving the guy so much they sacrificed their Warden for him.
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 14:10:03 GMT
This was a PT I'd put on hold since November. ..... I mean getting off that hamster wheel for a while altogether. The feeling of pushing yourself vs enjoying every moment of it for me means that I am just tired of the games. It's hard to not game when it's build into your day, and your mind does the "do list" endlessly, but yeah, after a detox it's better. I dunno. I am starting to feel I need a gaming detox so I can enjoy them more. But, hey, it's raining tonight, so... maybe I will start tomorrow. Heh. After MMO I am extra jumpy at any signs of addiction. Oh. @_@ No, not concerned about addiction. I didn't play video games for 2-3 weeks when I was doing bathroom renovations just last month. When I got to a state where my bathroom was functional again, I started up Brosca. I like the story of Origins- I'm tired of the battle grind. For example, I run to the Aeducan thaig as a glorified messenger to talk Lod Dace out of supporting Harrowmount. Am I done? No. Jarvia has to die so that Bhelen can look like he can do shit- or that he employs people that cna do shit. SO, again, I run through another super long cave killing things. Only to return and have him tell me to go through THE LONGEST CAVE CRAWL to get a 2 year assumed dead paragon. Same thing for the Mage Tower- Yay, I'm finally at the top! oh wait, no no no....sucked into a Fade Crawl. At least there, I get to interact with odd people. I wonder about the mouse, and the rage spirit, and the wisdom spirit, and the golem guy. I want to shake Niall with frustration for accepting his death so readily. I get to see my companion's odd dreams. And I get to play as ALL classes for a bit- which makes you feel super OP but also makes battle really interesting because yhou can approach the battle, start failing, and totally change up your tactics mid battle (something I liked about The Witcher 3 as well) Which is why I don't dislike the Fade as much other people but would loooooooove to skip the completely empty of anything but monsters Deep Roads. Well, pretty much the whole stupid Orzamaar bit. Orzamaar and the Urn of Sacred AShes quest really stretch my suspension of disbelief on what a Warden would be willing to do. Duncan would have let Eamon die, he would have washed his hands of Orzamaar. He would have sent word to Orlais, and they would have beaten the Blight with the combined effort of both Ccountries. But whatever.
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 14:18:30 GMT
If you'd brought him to fight the Archdemon, he would have literally tricked you out of doing it, and killed the dragon himself, dying in the process. No other LI is willing to do that. Blame the Devs, not my sweet Alistair. I am not blaming Alistair, I wanted to see him, so I set it up that she dies, he lives. I did not want Stroud again, I wanted someone I care about. It would have been easier to care about him more, if he did sigh about the Warden. Like when he is the king, he irritatingly tells Teagan "she has a name" even though the two parted ways on his insistence. But, I suppose, the devs did not think anyone was loving the guy so much they sacrificed their Warden for him. When does King Alistair say that? Oh! in DA2? I've never done US. Plan to with my Amell/Morrigan PT. She handles it well, she gets to keep a piece of her lover in their -NOT possessed with an Old God Soul- child. But also live with the pain of losing him. That storyline appeals to me. But I am sooooo taking a 6 or more month break from Origins. It also seems a waste to play another human in Origins. I've already played City elf, Human noble, Mage elf that I cannoned a Dalish background. And now I've finally played a Dwarf. What's mage human going to show me that I haven't already seen? To make that PT different, I intend to romance Morrigan, annul the Circle, and kill Connor but what else would change that I hadn't seen before? Just ugh. Yes. A break on ORigins a long while.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 5, 2017 14:31:10 GMT
King Alistair indeed has relationship-specific lines, but "she has a name" isn't strictly one of them. He uses it for non-romanced or romanced Warden that became his mistress, but only when not married to Anora. There's different line for that scenario.
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 14:56:51 GMT
King Alistair indeed has relationship-specific lines, but "she has a name" isn't strictly one of them. He uses it for non-romanced or romanced Warden that became his mistress, but only when not married to Anora. There's different line for that scenario. I've been watching an "all options" of that scene on youtube. I'm a bit put out that being Alistair's mistress is implied to be a secret kept from Anora. Or maybe she knows, just gets irritated that she wasn't something Alistair got over already. Anora knew going in that the mistress thing would happen and she accepted the price if it bought her her seat as Queen and the unity of the Fereldan nobles. For her to be nasty about it now doesn't appeal to me. Love his married line though.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 5, 2017 15:11:00 GMT
Love his married line though. Yeah, it's the best I like to imagine Teagan informed queen consort how her lovely husband called her Poor Alistair.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 15:53:11 GMT
I'll probably switch to Legacy tonight, and if that doesn't pan out, I'll give it a few weeks break.
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 16:12:51 GMT
The discussion on the Confessions thread reminds me that the Templars had every right to dissolve their alliance with the Chantry. But some people fall into the trap that the Templars didn't have a right, as if they didn't exist as an organization prior to their involvement with the Chantry. But they totally did. Just because they've had a somewhat unhealthy symbiotic relationship for 600+ years doesn't mean they can't break it off. Problem is, their PR was poorly handled by a Demon. They made it seem like the Templars were turning their back on the Maker by punching nuns in Val Royeux. And didn't seem to care about the Breach. But if real Lord Seeker hadn't gone off and joined a cult... well, things could have massively been different. It would have been interesting to see the Templars reborn under a new title, different job skills, way less lyrium addiction. A new Order that people had to contractually connect with for their Magic Protection Services.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 5, 2017 16:28:21 GMT
The discussion on the Confessions thread reminds me that the Templars had every right to dissolve their alliance with the Chantry. But some people fall into the trap that the Templars didn't have a right, as if they didn't exist as an organization prior to their involvement with the Chantry. But they totally did. Just because they've had a somewhat unhealthy symbiotic relationship for 600+ years doesn't mean they can't break it off. Problem is, their PR was poorly handled by a Demon. They made it seem like the Templars were turning their back on the Maker by punching nuns in Val Royeux. And didn't seem to care about the Breach. But if real Lord Seeker hadn't gone off and joined a cult... well, things could have massively been different. It would have been interesting to see the Templars reborn under a new title, different job skills, way less lyrium addiction. A new Order that people had to contractually connect with for their Magic Protection Services. People forget that Templar Order was born from first Inquisition, which predates the Chantry. Just because Chantry blockheads are (were) in charge, doesn't mean the Chantry was the Orders' main source of values/rules. I happily get rid of the Order in DAI, but I would love to see many of former templars joining peacekeeping force - just like you said - without lyrium addition. When it comes to the Order, paraphrased MIB quote works for me quite well: "A templar is smart, the Order is dumb." Doesn't mean all templars are smart, but you know what I mean.
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 16:35:32 GMT
The discussion on the Confessions thread reminds me that the Templars had every right to dissolve their alliance with the Chantry. But some people fall into the trap that the Templars didn't have a right, as if they didn't exist as an organization prior to their involvement with the Chantry. But they totally did. Just because they've had a somewhat unhealthy symbiotic relationship for 600+ years doesn't mean they can't break it off. Problem is, their PR was poorly handled by a Demon. They made it seem like the Templars were turning their back on the Maker by punching nuns in Val Royeux. And didn't seem to care about the Breach. But if real Lord Seeker hadn't gone off and joined a cult... well, things could have massively been different. It would have been interesting to see the Templars reborn under a new title, different job skills, way less lyrium addiction. A new Order that people had to contractually connect with for their Magic Protection Services. People forget that Templar Order was born from first Inquisition, which predates the Chantry. Just because Chantry blockheads are (were) in charge, doesn't mean the Chantry was the Orders' main source of values/rules. I happily get rid of the Order in DAI, but I would love to see many of former templars joining peacekeeping force - just like you said - without lyrium addition. When it comes to the Order, paraphrased MIB quote works for me quite well: "A templar is smart, the Order is dumb." Doesn't mean all templars are smart, but you know what I mean.It's kinda too bad you can't play JoH before making the MAges vs Templars decision. LEarning about how the original inquistion worked gives you more information about the Templar Order, in a fashion. The Templars are more sympathetic when you know all the things that went wrong to make their situation. But your Character can't make decisions off of the info they learn of in game prior to the decision. All they see is the Lord Seeker punching Nuns, being an asshole to everyone who speaks to them, and clearly not interested in dealing with the Breech. You have to "make" them talk to you via noble pressure. I had to think carefully about crafting a character who would even approach them for an alliance. So I have my Varas Trevelyan, who wanted to be a Templar his whole life but wasn't allowed to be. And even then, after the Lord Seekers show in VR, he approaches the mages. Only to find they've allied with Tevinter. Then some sort of message gets shoved in his hand and he's done. Done with mages that changed their mind about the alliance, definitely not going to deal with Tevinter and their tainted magisters, and DONE with the idea of secret shady spy stuff that requires him to go meet in secret in the Redcliffe Chantry. He leaves Redcliffe, barely missing meeting his future soulmate, Dorian, and goes to make the Templars speak to him.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 5, 2017 16:51:41 GMT
It isn't worth a thread, so I'll ask it here. How many cunning points do you need in order to unlock cunning dialogue options in DAO?
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 17:15:47 GMT
It isn't worth a thread, so I'll ask it here. How many cunning points do you need in order to unlock cunning dialogue options in DAO? Not certain it's as simple as just having Cunning, as found here: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/CoercionMy brosca gets an occasional "Cunning" dialogue option at 25 points in it. I usually reserve my points for will power, dex, and strength and stopped getting persuasion skill blocks after two. Persuasion seemed to be based off the Coercion skill? Intimidate checks are based on strength, but it doesn't take much- my mage, who I added no points to in strength, intimidated everyone except she failed at the end with Ser Cauthrien. And then Cunning is based on Cunning. I still feel like the system is kinda more complex than I'm willing to totally understand/study though.
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Post by Ean'Harel on Jun 5, 2017 17:55:25 GMT
With that said, DA:I keeps failing to start. It takes me about seven tries to get it to "stick" and reach the Continue/New Game/etc screen. Then it's usually fine, but trying to load the Descent is an exercise in frustration. After meeting the Nug King, I tried travelling back to the main camp to offload my inventory. I got an infinite loading screen instead. Grrrr. I love the Deep Roads, but I doubt I'll play it again. I've never had a problem with DLC except for falling through the floor a bit, and you can't save at that bit, which I found frustrating. But I hear the DLCs are not friendly to mods. Think that is it? I wish it was that... I don't have mods, though. After re-installing Origin, repairing the game, and white-listing both in my antivirus, I still have trouble starting the game -- it's hit and miss. But after that, I managed to load the Descent (and travel easily) by turning the shaders to medium. Ewww. I've lost my freckles and my hair *glows* (sort of practical, down in the dark, mind you). Although the shaders have an impact, I think it's related to the sound effects because my FPS drops whenever there's a lot of echo. Weird. All my drivers are up to date, so... well. I can live without freckles if it's only down there. I passed my frustration on the Sha-Brytol, and killed many more than necessary. Much fun. I'm getting quite fond of archery in this game -- I love the mobility Hook-and-Tackle+Leaping Shot* gives me, and the *thwang* of the bow is very satisfying. The Amazing Face-Hugging Flying Assassin, that's me! *Big bad combo: Full Draw from Stealth, HookityTackleety, Mark of Death, Leaping Shot (puts me back in stealth), Full Draw, Hidden Blades, Trigger Mark. So much fun. My bow of choice is Elgarnan Enaste, partly for RP reasons (see vallaslin) and partly because it allows me to drop Explosive Arrows off my skill bar -- that's when I picked up Hook-and-Tackle.
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Post by melbella on Jun 5, 2017 19:29:44 GMT
It isn't worth a thread, so I'll ask it here. How many cunning points do you need in order to unlock cunning dialogue options in DAO? I think it's 30. There is no [cunning] in front of the options listed, but there are new lines available (like when you first meet Flemeth) if it's that high.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 5, 2017 19:32:45 GMT
It isn't worth a thread, so I'll ask it here. How many cunning points do you need in order to unlock cunning dialogue options in DAO? I think it's 30. There is no [cunning] in front of the options listed, but there are new lines available (like when you first meet Flemeth) if it's that high. Ohhh... that's pretty cool. Do you know what is the special line you get when speaking to Flemeth?
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Post by melbella on Jun 5, 2017 19:39:01 GMT
I think it's 30. There is no [cunning] in front of the options listed, but there are new lines available (like when you first meet Flemeth) if it's that high. Ohhh... that's pretty cool. Do you know what is the special line you get when speaking to Flemeth? I don't recall it exactly, but she definitely appreciates the Warden's cleverness.
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 19:59:47 GMT
After leaving Orzamaar, we camped to rest. And the new Dwarf, Oghren, asked to visit an old gal pal. It was on the way to Redcliffe castle, so why not. Helped the love birds get on and then t was time to see the Arl and think about how Naderra felt about making Alistair king. He was very committed to ending the Blight, so at least he wouldn't Dilly dally about what was important...
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Post by phoray on Jun 5, 2017 21:07:59 GMT
Guys guys guys
I stole Teryn Loghain's crown.
I am so friggen pleased with myself.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 5, 2017 21:26:58 GMT
Guys guys guys I stole Teryn Loghain's crown. I am so friggen pleased with myself. I love this quest line. Nothing better than scaring nobles... even when being one yourself Plus Dark Wolf is awesome nickname
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 21:54:11 GMT
Guys guys guys I stole Teryn Loghain's crown. I am so friggen pleased with myself. This sounds rather cool.
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