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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 21:54:04 GMT
So, Cullen agrees that this was a proper punishment or did he take part in it too? Not that it's a good thing to believe, but in any case, it makes sense to me why he would support this decision because the 'what if' was his reality. He was a part of the situation where a tower mage fell in love, Jowan and Lilly, which caused the mage to turn to blood magic in desperation to be able to pursue his love interest and in some way this contributed to Redcliffe tragedy. Love is a powerful motivator to consider the options previously dubious. Not that it's right to think 'hurray lets hang everyone for what they can potentially do.' He's perfectly in character there to support a lawful decision made by his superior. Yes, he's lawful. But in this world the "lawful good" thing is an oximoron.
Well, I'd say that on the who's good and who's naughty scale, he's definitely ranging in the, one of a few we get to see, decent men side. My problem is: he doesn't show that he would regret that he was the part of this crime. He only tells this official bullshit, into the face of (perhaps a mage) Inquisitor, and s/he can't express his/her strong disagreement/contempt/anger. He on his way of his redemption, but only at the start. The problem is, that Blackwall, for example, counts guilty, but Cullen still a KISA. I just can't see Blackwall worse than Cullen. The thing is it's not a crime in the Ferelden world - I keep having to suspend my own set of beliefs to reflect on their mindset. This was a lawful action. Cullen says he has a lot to atone for, however, he wouldn't see this as one of the things he'd need redemption for and that mindset would be supported by 90% of the not-apostate-mage DA population. As much as we'd like to change his view, on this one it would be most difficult. Also, I'd like to side with mages 100%, but right now I just finished Act 1 of DA2 and so far every 'crazy' Templar accusation against the mages has proven true. My Hawke has already met Cullen. The first thing I see is how he's rewarding a Templar apprentice with a punch. As soon as my Hawke opens her mouth to tell Cullen off, the nice young man she's defending turns into an abomination and tries to skin them all alive. What am I suppose to do after that than to look foolish and shuffle rocks with my foot after the abomination is taken care of? Cullen was proven to be right to interrogate the suspect. It really is awful that due to the crimes of the others the innocents also suffer because the restrictions grow more barbaric, but the majority of the mages starting with DA2 crises have turned to violent and life threatening means to ensure their freedom - even Alistair (continued crisis in Inq) whom I consider one of the most open minded people in DA cannot support it, nor would I for that matter. Cullen believes the mages to be a threat and well they ARE a threat at that point. The situation is heading down the shit creek without a paddle towards a crisis point and I can only applaud DA writers for believable storytelling, considering that I know how this crisis will end in DA2.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 21:58:08 GMT
My problem is: he doesn't show that he would regret that he was the part of this crime. He only tells this official bullshit, into the face of (perhaps a mage) Inquisitor, and s/he can't express his/her strong disagreement/contempt/anger. He on his way of his redemption, but only at the start.
The problem is, that Blackwall, for example, counts guilty, but Cullen still a KISA. I just can't see Blackwall worse than Cullen. The thing is it's not a crime in the Ferelden world - I keep having to suspend my own set of beliefs to reflect on their mindset. This was a lawful action. Cullen says he has a lot to atone for, however, he wouldn't see this as one of the things he'd need redemption for and that mindset would be supported by 90% of the not-apostate-mage DA population. As much as we'd like to change his view, on this one it would be most difficult.
Also, I'd like to side with mages 100%, but right now I just finished Act 1 of DA2 and so far every 'crazy' Templar accusation against the mages has proven true. My Hawke has already met Cullen. The first thing I see is how he's rewarding a Templar apprentice with a punch. As soon as my Hawke opens her mouth to tell Cullen off, the nice young man she's defending turns into an abomination and tries to skin them all alive. What am I suppose to do after that than to look foolish and shuffle rocks with my foot after the abomination is taken care of? Cullen was proven to be right to interrogate the suspect.
It really is awful that due to the crimes of the others the innocents also suffer because the restrictions grow more barbaric, but the majority of the mages starting with DA2 crises have turned to violent and life threatening means to ensure their freedom - even Alistair (continued crisis in Inq) whom I consider one of the most open minded people in DA cannot support it, nor would I for that matter. Cullen believes the mages to be a threat and well they ARE a threat at that point. The situation is heading down the shit creek without a paddle towards a crisis point and I can only applaud DA writers for believable storytelling, considering that I know how this crisis will end in DA2. No. That thing is a crime. Meredith was a criminal according to the Chantry's law too. Maddox's story happened before. Samson already a beggar at the docks. Maddox and Karl weren't dangerous.
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The thing is it's not a crime in the Ferelden world - I keep having to suspend my own set of beliefs to reflect on their mindset. This was a lawful action. Cullen says he has a lot to atone for, however, he wouldn't see this as one of the things he'd need redemption for and that mindset would be supported by 90% of the not-apostate-mage DA population. As much as we'd like to change his view, on this one it would be most difficult.
Also, I'd like to side with mages 100%, but right now I just finished Act 1 of DA2 and so far every 'crazy' Templar accusation against the mages has proven true. My Hawke has already met Cullen. The first thing I see is how he's rewarding a Templar apprentice with a punch. As soon as my Hawke opens her mouth to tell Cullen off, the nice young man she's defending turns into an abomination and tries to skin them all alive. What am I suppose to do after that than to look foolish and shuffle rocks with my foot after the abomination is taken care of? Cullen was proven to be right to interrogate the suspect.
It really is awful that due to the crimes of the others the innocents also suffer because the restrictions grow more barbaric, but the majority of the mages starting with DA2 crises have turned to violent and life threatening means to ensure their freedom - even Alistair (continued crisis in Inq) whom I consider one of the most open minded people in DA cannot support it, nor would I for that matter. Cullen believes the mages to be a threat and well they ARE a threat at that point. The situation is heading down the shit creek without a paddle towards a crisis point and I can only applaud DA writers for believable storytelling, considering that I know how this crisis will end in DA2. No. That thing is a crime. Meredith was a criminal according to the Chantry's law too. I don't believe she was declared criminal based on the action of making a law breaking mage Tranquil. She was declared criminal based on her other deeds. My guess is nobody even remembered/took notice of her making some x mage Tranquil when they were judging her and reading her verdict.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 22:02:02 GMT
No. That thing is a crime. Meredith was a criminal according to the Chantry's law too. I don't believe she was declared criminal based on the action of making a law breaking mage Tranquil. She was declared criminal based on her other deeds. She wasn't "declared" but still was law-breaker (criminal) according the Chantry's law.
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I don't believe she was declared criminal based on the action of making a law breaking mage Tranquil. She was declared criminal based on her other deeds. She wasn't "declared" but still was law-breaker (criminal) according the Chantry's law. My initial point remains though. I believe they've dubbed her criminal for other reasons than that specific deed. Sad, but I'm fairly confident that Chantry didn't care about that mage turned Tranquil. This deed is significant to us, but not to them since mages turned Tranquil is a regular occurrence.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 22:07:48 GMT
She wasn't "declared" but still was law-breaker (criminal) according the Chantry's law. My initial point remains though. I believe they've dubbed her criminal for other reasons than that specific deed. And this makes Cullen less responsible for making zombie factory in Kirkwall Circle? He was insensitive about that.
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My initial point remains though. I believe they've dubbed her criminal for other reasons than that specific deed. And this makes Cullen less responsible for making zombie factory in Kirkwall Circle? He was insensitive about that. Doesn't he regret it? He said he's not sorry for that specific incident, but he said he had a lot of other things to atone for.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 22:14:11 GMT
And this makes Cullen less responsible for making zombie factory in Kirkwall Circle? He was insensitive about that. Doesn't he regret it? He said he's not sorry for that specific incident, but he said he had a lot of other things to atone for. And this is okay. I think, he seems rather felt bad, because his commander became red-lyrium abomination because was not able to resist the temptation, than because of the Templars' crimes in Kirkwall. This seems not a redemption arc. He has morality, but he must work on more. I just don't like, that he counts better person, than Blackwall.
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Doesn't he regret it? He said he's not sorry for that specific incident, but he said he had a lot of other things to atone for. And this is okay. I think, he seems rather felt bad, because his commander became red-lyrium abomination because was not able to resist the temptation, than because of the Templars' crimes in Kirkwall. No. I don't think so. He says directly that 'he had seen crimes committed by Templars and by mages.' This quote came up at the start of Inquisition when he talked to my character. So, he is sorry for the crimes, not just lyrium. Cullen acknowledges immediately that both sides are capable of corruption. It's not one sided with him that mages are evil and Templars are good. Isn't he one of the main participants who puts an end to it once he learns the truth? How many can claim having the guts to admit you're wrong on the spot and turn against every single thing you've devoted your life to? An action speaks louder than words? No? - It is, however, difficult for me to argue because I did not finish DA2 or Inq, so I cannot analyze directly off screen his words or actions. I'd need to see for myself before forming a stronger judgement.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 22:23:49 GMT
And this is okay. I think, he seems rather felt bad, because his commander became red-lyrium abomination because was not able to resist the temptation, than because of the Templars' crimes in Kirkwall. No. I don't think so. He says directly that 'he had seen crimes committed by Templars and by mages.' This quote came up at the start of Inquisition when he talked to my character. So, he is sorry for the crimes, not just lyrium. Cullen acknowledges immediately that both sides are capable of corruption. It's not one sided with him that mages are evil and Templars are good. Isn't he one of the main participants who puts an end to it once he learns the truth? How many can claim having the guts to admit you're wrong on the spot and turn against every single thing you've devoted your life to? An action speaks louder than words? No? - It is, however, difficult for me to argue because I did not finish DA2 or Inq, so I cannot analyze directly off screen his words or actions. I'd need to see for myself before forming a stronger judgement.Oh, you're right, sorry.
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He has morality, but he must work on more. I just don't like, that he counts better person, than Blackwall. Erm? What? XD I just met Blackwall 5 mins ago. Why are we comparing them anyway? I don't know anything about Blackwall. I believe Cullen has a morality of a decent man, though, he has been traumatized and brainwashed a lot in his life. I'm not comparing him to any specific person. It's not easy and most admirable that he can get through all that trauma. I believe he'll continue to improve as his morality asserts more. Eventually he might even see that Tranquil incident in a different light.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 22:45:35 GMT
He has morality, but he must work on more. I just don't like, that he counts better person, than Blackwall. Erm? What? XD I just met Blackwall 5 mins ago. Why are we comparing them anyway? I don't know anything about Blackwall. I believe Cullen has a morality of a decent man, though, he has been traumatized and brainwashed a lot in his life. I'm not comparing him to any specific person. It's not easy and most admirable that he can get through all that trauma. I believe he'll continue to improve as his morality asserts more. Eventually he might even see that Tranquil incident in a different light. I said: sorry. And yes, the brainwashing is a good argument. It's too hard to get rid of our (false) beliefs. The Tranquil "incident" is very serious, I suppose. In Kirkwall that was a tool to keep mages in fear. a part of Samson's short story: What the Chantry did to its templars was unforgivable, but what it had done to Maddox was obscene. He was a mage at Kirkwall’s Circle, the Gallows—an ugly name for an uglier prison—while Samson was still in the Order’s good books. Maddox was no great shakes as a mage, but his parents were swordsmiths, and Maddox was forever making things in the Gallows workshop: bits of metalwork, a fancy hilt for a dagger, and once a new joint for Samson’s broken gauntlet, grinning at the chance to put a crooked thing right.
“If you ever need a favor,” Samson had told him when no one was listening, “you let me know.”
One day, Maddox had approached Samson in the Gallows, red to the ears, holding out a rolled sheaf of letters and mumbling, “For my girl, out in Kirkwall. Would you take them?”
After, Samson would occasionally berate himself for having taken the bloody things. He did favors for the mages sometimes—little errands, sometimes with a vial of lyrium to sweeten the trade. This, though, risked crossing a line.
But along with every bundle of letters was a sheet that Maddox had folded into the shape of a bird. Its wings were spread like the seagulls drifting on the wind near the Gallows’ high windows. Under Meredith, freedom was a cruel dream for Kirkwall’s Circle mages. They were often locked in their cells, watched night and day by templars who were told any step out of line was suspicious. All those young magelings, told that magic was a curse, that they were dangerous, and that they had to be shut indoors all their lives looking out through those windows. Some went mad. Others, mad or not, tried jumping.
But in the face of all that was this little paper bird, folded by someone whose dreams of freedom and his girl’s arms hadn’t died completely. A proof of humanity, when the Circle and the Chantry just wanted mages to be obedient things. So Samson took Maddox’s letters.
Eventually word got to Knight-Commander Meredith. She used it as an excuse to throw Samson out of the Order, claiming it proved he’d become “erratic” and “severely addicted to lyrium.” Those last letters had fallen, trampled in a puddle, as they shoved him away to Meredith’s office.
Samson found a new life in Kirkwall’s gutter as a lyrium-starved beggar. From time to time, he’d lend a hand to young mages looking for an escape. But Maddox had been accused of corrupting a templar, a serious charge. Meredith was merciless; she turned Maddox into an emotionless Tranquil with a lyrium brand. Maddox would no longer dream of the horizon, or fix something for the joy of it, or make his little paper birds. They retained his skills without having to treat him as a person, which seemed like the natural end point of every bloody thing the Chantry did.
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And yes, the brainwashing is a good arguing. It's too hard to get rid of our (false) beliefs.The Tranquil "incident" is very serious, I suppose. In Kirkwall that was a tool to keep mages in fear. a part of Samson's short story: What the Chantry did to its templars was unforgivable, but what it had done to Maddox was obscene. He was a mage at Kirkwall’s Circle, the Gallows—an ugly name for an uglier prison—while Samson was still in the Order’s good books. Maddox was no great shakes as a mage, but his parents were swordsmiths, and Maddox was forever making things in the Gallows workshop: bits of metalwork, a fancy hilt for a dagger, and once a new joint for Samson’s broken gauntlet, grinning at the chance to put a crooked thing right.
“If you ever need a favor,” Samson had told him when no one was listening, “you let me know.”
One day, Maddox had approached Samson in the Gallows, red to the ears, holding out a rolled sheaf of letters and mumbling, “For my girl, out in Kirkwall. Would you take them?”
After, Samson would occasionally berate himself for having taken the bloody things. He did favors for the mages sometimes—little errands, sometimes with a vial of lyrium to sweeten the trade. This, though, risked crossing a line.
But along with every bundle of letters was a sheet that Maddox had folded into the shape of a bird. Its wings were spread like the seagulls drifting on the wind near the Gallows’ high windows. Under Meredith, freedom was a cruel dream for Kirkwall’s Circle mages. They were often locked in their cells, watched night and day by templars who were told any step out of line was suspicious. All those young magelings, told that magic was a curse, that they were dangerous, and that they had to be shut indoors all their lives looking out through those windows. Some went mad. Others, mad or not, tried jumping.
But in the face of all that was this little paper bird, folded by someone whose dreams of freedom and his girl’s arms hadn’t died completely. A proof of humanity, when the Circle and the Chantry just wanted mages to be obedient things. So Samson took Maddox’s letters.
Eventually word got to Knight-Commander Meredith. She used it as an excuse to throw Samson out of the Order, claiming it proved he’d become “erratic” and “severely addicted to lyrium.” Those last letters had fallen, trampled in a puddle, as they shoved him away to Meredith’s office.
Samson found a new life in Kirkwall’s gutter as a lyrium-starved beggar. From time to time, he’d lend a hand to young mages looking for an escape. But Maddox had been accused of corrupting a templar, a serious charge. Meredith was merciless; she turned Maddox into an emotionless Tranquil with a lyrium brand. Maddox would no longer dream of the horizon, or fix something for the joy of it, or make his little paper birds. They retained his skills without having to treat him as a person, which seemed like the natural end point of every bloody thing the Chantry did. Cullen might be still floundering in details - but he got the main thing right on which he can start rebuilding. It is my spoiler based understanding though that Cullen was instrumental in putting an end to the atrocities committed by his commander. I imagine it took tremendous courage to be able to get around all that trauma and pretty much everything he had been taught all his life in order to act out decisively in that situation. While Cullen had experienced the absolute worst the corrupted mages were capable of, even at his lowest moment, he still is able to reach an inward moral compass and judge that mages do not deserve to be eradicated or subjected to horrors Meredith reign brings them to. Cullen also claims that he's sorry for not seeing through Meredith sooner. While this story is heartbreaking to us, you also need to remember that it's unlikely that Maddox or Sampson were the ones to tell it to Cullen from their perspective. I don't believe either would confide in him in so much detail and with the same literary imagery your story depicts. So, he must have heard it from a highly distorted point of view of Meredith or rumors from the other Templars who wouldn't be sympathetic. It was presented to him in a completely different light - which would deduct a lot from the sympathy factor. Unless I'm wrong again and Cullen was the one participating directly in this story like branding Maddox himself or something?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 8, 2017 23:59:16 GMT
And yes, the brainwashing is a good arguing. It's too hard to get rid of our (false) beliefs.The Tranquil "incident" is very serious, I suppose. In Kirkwall that was a tool to keep mages in fear. a part of Samson's short story: What the Chantry did to its templars was unforgivable, but what it had done to Maddox was obscene. He was a mage at Kirkwall’s Circle, the Gallows—an ugly name for an uglier prison—while Samson was still in the Order’s good books. Maddox was no great shakes as a mage, but his parents were swordsmiths, and Maddox was forever making things in the Gallows workshop: bits of metalwork, a fancy hilt for a dagger, and once a new joint for Samson’s broken gauntlet, grinning at the chance to put a crooked thing right.
“If you ever need a favor,” Samson had told him when no one was listening, “you let me know.”
One day, Maddox had approached Samson in the Gallows, red to the ears, holding out a rolled sheaf of letters and mumbling, “For my girl, out in Kirkwall. Would you take them?”
After, Samson would occasionally berate himself for having taken the bloody things. He did favors for the mages sometimes—little errands, sometimes with a vial of lyrium to sweeten the trade. This, though, risked crossing a line.
But along with every bundle of letters was a sheet that Maddox had folded into the shape of a bird. Its wings were spread like the seagulls drifting on the wind near the Gallows’ high windows. Under Meredith, freedom was a cruel dream for Kirkwall’s Circle mages. They were often locked in their cells, watched night and day by templars who were told any step out of line was suspicious. All those young magelings, told that magic was a curse, that they were dangerous, and that they had to be shut indoors all their lives looking out through those windows. Some went mad. Others, mad or not, tried jumping.
But in the face of all that was this little paper bird, folded by someone whose dreams of freedom and his girl’s arms hadn’t died completely. A proof of humanity, when the Circle and the Chantry just wanted mages to be obedient things. So Samson took Maddox’s letters.
Eventually word got to Knight-Commander Meredith. She used it as an excuse to throw Samson out of the Order, claiming it proved he’d become “erratic” and “severely addicted to lyrium.” Those last letters had fallen, trampled in a puddle, as they shoved him away to Meredith’s office.
Samson found a new life in Kirkwall’s gutter as a lyrium-starved beggar. From time to time, he’d lend a hand to young mages looking for an escape. But Maddox had been accused of corrupting a templar, a serious charge. Meredith was merciless; she turned Maddox into an emotionless Tranquil with a lyrium brand. Maddox would no longer dream of the horizon, or fix something for the joy of it, or make his little paper birds. They retained his skills without having to treat him as a person, which seemed like the natural end point of every bloody thing the Chantry did. Cullen might be still floundering in details - but he got the main thing right on which he can start rebuilding. It is my spoiler based understanding though that Cullen was instrumental in putting an end to the atrocities committed by his commander. I imagine it took tremendous courage to be able to get around all that trauma and pretty much everything he had been taught all his life in order to act out decisively in that situation. While Cullen had experienced the absolute worst the corrupted mages were capable of, even at his lowest moment, he still is able to reach an inward moral compass and judge that mages do not deserve to be eradicated or subjected to horrors Meredith reign brings them to. Cullen also claims that he's sorry for not seeing through Meredith sooner.
While this story is heartbreaking to us, you also need to remember that it's unlikely that Maddox or Sampson were the ones to tell it to Cullen from their perspective. I don't believe either would confide in him in so much detail and with the same literary imagery your story depicts. So, he must have heard it from a highly distorted point of view of Meredith or rumors from the other Templars who wouldn't be sympathetic. It was presented to him in a completely different light - which would deduct a lot from the sympathy factor. Unless I'm wrong again and Cullen was the one participating directly in this story like branding Maddox himself or something? At the Act2 he starts to be suspicious about, that something going wrong with Meredith, but still stay with her. (Try to speak with him sometimes in DA2!) He still thinks that The Templars dominance over Mages by divine right (yes, sounds brainwashed), and Meredith has a steel spine... This is okay, he has PTSD, almost failed his "harrowing" against the Calenhad demons. Not this is my problem, again. A man Tranquilized because wanted to send a letter. You can't justify that fact. He speaks about that "Tranquil incident" to a perhaps Circle Mage Inquisitor, that this was just a routine. And s/he doesn't have any possibility to be angry. This is a very bad moment. Bad writing. Everyone who accepts Meredith's methods is guilty. The game doesn't really show, that he feels bad about it.I guess first he must face this, but the game doesn't let Inquisitor to shows his/her anger about it.
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So I am stuck at home with a broken ankle and what else is there to do but play yet another DA:I... Just left Orlais and am seriously thinking that I will say no thanks to both Viv and Sera. Has anyone ever played without recruiting all possible Companions?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 0:13:02 GMT
So I am stuck at home with a broken ankle and what else is there to do but play yet another DA:I... Just left Orlais and am seriously thinking that I will say no thanks to both Viv and Sera. Has anyone ever played without recruiting all possible Companions? Vivienne can't be Divine, but still, establish a new Circle, it mentioned at the end. I didn't try that but heard. I don't know, what about Sera. Probably will not annoy you anymore, if you don't like her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 0:20:23 GMT
We need to keep in mind that DA characters do not have the same God mode view of the events we do or even the same culture. They know much much less and they were raised in a highly intolerant environment. Cullen says he was taken by the Templars when he was 13 or rather he begged them to let him join since he idolized them as a little kid. Hmm... I believe I have covered that part of his reasoning in my earlier post about Jowan. We know that Maddox was harmless, Cullen may not and situation reflects on his negative life experience, while DA2 events are absolutely volatile and horrendous with mages committing a lot of atrocities not just the Templars. These things tend to trigger chain memories like: love letter > strong incentive to escape > turn to blood mage magic > kill/torture ppl. It's true though that our Inq not being able to correct him sounds like BS. My Inq would probably want to tell him off in this situation too. But, well... bad writing is hardly Cullen's fault, now is it?
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Post by Curious Crow on Sept 9, 2017 0:27:45 GMT
Played a teeny bit today. Dealt with the Templars in the hills, the wolves in the caves and the horses on the field. No pictures, since texting and horse riding is not allowed. Or something. But did a have a grand time with the grappling hook, flank attack and some nice poisoned twin blades. And Iron Bull made some lovely chunks of frozen meat with Solas' help. Varric was pretty I guess. Naw just kidding, he made everyone fall flat with his exploding arrows. Also did a bit more writing. Not good at continuous narrative, so it was just a short blurb. An involuntarily squeal escaped Sharity's lips as a pair of strong arms raised her off the ground, settling her down on the horse. Old muscle memory awoke and her feet quickly found the stirrups. A slight scooting of the butt and she was firmly settled. Yet Iron Bull's hands hovered around her waist until she gave the nod. She gripped the reigns tightly, excitement pumping in her heart. She hadn't ridden by herself for...oh what was it...eighteen years almost. And she hadn't even realized how much she missed it. She glanced around, her companions took their places by the fence and around them, curious farmers had appeared. Grown ups leaning on the fences and on top of them their brood sat. Curious, excited. Glad to have something to think about other than the mages in the hills, the templars chasing them or those rifts. This respite was beneficial for... well she wasn't sure. All the angles of her handles could approve or reprimand. But she figured her companions would vouch for her. A minute of levity could assist greatly when only faced with death and destruction. Varric could enhance her reasoning later. For now, she loosened her hair and looked at the road ahead. The race was on.
A few sweaty hours later, the horse trotted to the water through. Her companions cheered loudly, the farmers following in doing the same. She slid of the horse, brushing her sweaty hair back. Dennet approached with a small grin on his lips. The other horses were ready and he had managed to enjoy some of the show. His daughter approached, putting her coin purse in Sharity's arms. The look on her face denied any attempt at refusal for the gift. So Sharity smiled at her. Then she chatted to the farmers, small talk but important. The Inquisition was willing to deal with problems, start preemptive measures against future ones and listened to the people. And a smaller voice within her just claimed it was nice. After some time of pleasantries, the small group said their farewells and started to make their way to the woods east of the farms. Their bags heavy with food and drink from the farmers and their spirit light from the afternoons events. The events would hopefully give the mages and people of Redcliffe some interest in making a deal with the Inquisition. Sadly they would not impress the spiders that lurked ahead, but one step at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 0:32:57 GMT
The game doesn't really show, that he feels bad about it. Wait... what do you mean Cullen doesn't show that he feels bad about it? Does he say specifically that good for Meredith that she made Maddox Tranquil? I'm confused now. Because if he didn't say explicitly that he's either sorry or not sorry, then why does he bother telling the Inquisitor this story at all? If he does than it must have been significant to him. So, why does he remember and bring it up? Do you have a conversation script for it?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 0:50:28 GMT
We need to keep in mind that DA characters do not have the same God mode view of the events we do or even the same culture. They know much much less and they were raised in a highly intolerant environment. Cullen says he was taken by the Templars when he was 13 or rather he begged them to let him join since he idolized them as a little kid. Hmm... I believe I have covered that part of his reasoning in my earlier post about Jowan. We know that Maddox was harmless, Cullen may not and situation reflects on his negative life experience, while DA2 events are absolutely volatile and horrendous with mages committing a lot of atrocities not just the Templars. These things tend to trigger chain memories like: love letter > strong incentive to escape > turn to blood mage magic > kill/torture ppl. It's true though that our Inq not being able to correct him sounds like BS. My Inq would probably want to tell him off in this situation too. But, well... bad writing is hardly Cullen's fault, now is it? On this basis, every mage must be killed during his childhood. I suppose he wasn't so idiot... He knew well, what happened. You think, he was so paranoid? No. He better than this. But not so much, that he would able to face this, probably yet – and later will be. But at the moment, in Inquisition, he seems not able. Cullen's fault? No. The Inquisitor's fault that doesn't do anything... I like that character, just I cant see him as a Knight in Shiny Armor. The problem that seems the intention was to see him a good boy. I suppose this failed, but maybe it's just me.
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Post by melbella on Sept 9, 2017 0:59:17 GMT
So I am stuck at home with a broken ankle and what else is there to do but play yet another DA:I... Just left Orlais and am seriously thinking that I will say no thanks to both Viv and Sera. Has anyone ever played without recruiting all possible Companions?
I played without Viv once, and in my current (on hold) game I didn't recruit either Sera or Iron Bull. Mostly you just get less content, and have less running around to do at Skyhold. Do you use Jar of Bees? If you don't have Golden Nug, then you need Sera to get the recipe.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 1:02:38 GMT
The game doesn't really show, that he feels bad about it. Wait... what do you mean Cullen doesn't show that he feels bad about it? Does he say specifically that good for Meredith that she made Maddox Tranquil? I'm confused now. Because if he didn't say explicitly that he's either sorry or not sorry, then why does he bother telling the Inquisitor this story at all? If he does than it must have been significant to him. So, why does he remember and bring it up? Do you have a conversation script for it? Okay, soryy, I see... you didn't do yet the In Hushed Whispers or the Champions of the Just. This is an investigation. Maddox stayed with Samson after they left Kirkwall. He created Samson's red lyrium armor. The Inquisitor talk with Cullen about Samson's Tranquil.
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Post by cmoe on Sept 9, 2017 1:07:24 GMT
So I am stuck at home with a broken ankle and what else is there to do but play yet another DA:I... Just left Orlais and am seriously thinking that I will say no thanks to both Viv and Sera. Has anyone ever played without recruiting all possible Companions? I replay the game a lot so I often skip recruiting several companions. As mentioned here you have a little less running around at Skyhold to do and a few less inner circle quests. The game doesn't seem to change all that much other than that.
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Post by cmoe on Sept 9, 2017 1:10:15 GMT
We need to keep in mind that DA characters do not have the same God mode view of the events we do or even the same culture. They know much much less and they were raised in a highly intolerant environment. Cullen says he was taken by the Templars when he was 13 or rather he begged them to let him join since he idolized them as a little kid. Hmm... I believe I have covered that part of his reasoning in my earlier post about Jowan. We know that Maddox was harmless, Cullen may not and situation reflects on his negative life experience, while DA2 events are absolutely volatile and horrendous with mages committing a lot of atrocities not just the Templars. These things tend to trigger chain memories like: love letter > strong incentive to escape > turn to blood mage magic > kill/torture ppl. It's true though that our Inq not being able to correct him sounds like BS. My Inq would probably want to tell him off in this situation too. But, well... bad writing is hardly Cullen's fault, now is it? On this basis, every mage must be killed during his childhood. I suppose he wasn't so idiot... He knew well, what happened. You think, he was so paranoid? No. He better than this. But not so much, that he would able to face this, probably yet – and later will be. But at the moment, in Inquisition, he seems not able. Cullen's fault? No. The Inquisitor's fault that doesn't do anything... I like that character, just I cant see him as a Knight in Shiny Armor. The problem that seems the intention was to see him a good boy. I suppose this failed, but maybe it's just me. I always saw him as more of a realistically flawed character. One who was affected by past events but has tried to make up for his mistakes.
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