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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 1:13:30 GMT
He has morality, but he must work on more. I just don't like, that he counts better person, than Blackwall. Erm? What? XD I just met Blackwall 5 mins ago. Why are we comparing them anyway? I don't know anything about Blackwall. I believe Cullen has a morality of a decent man, though, he has been traumatized and brainwashed a lot in his life. I'm not comparing him to any specific person. It's not easy and most admirable that he can get through all that trauma. I believe he'll continue to improve as his morality asserts more. Eventually he might even see that Tranquil incident in a different light. Oh, dear, don't get spoiled, I beg you! Blackwall has an intriguing back story, which plays out late in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 1:13:54 GMT
I like that character, just I cant see him as a Knight in Shiny Armor. The problem that seems the intention was to see him a good boy. I suppose this failed, but maybe it's just me. I don't believe there was ever an intention of making him look like a 'good boy' considering how his life is turned inside out and laid bare including all faults and crimes. His lyrium addiction gets literally showcased. However, Cullen has multiple redeemable qualities. I see him as a person in deep internal turmoil where good qualities refuse to die out no matter the horrors he's subjected to. I admire that fighting spirit in him and the fact that he's still searching for internal truths - and he is gradually succeeding. I see him as a person who has an internal intuition that's generally channeled towards promoting greater good that was corrupted by horrible events he had been a part of. I mean... how unlucky is he to get out of the Blight only to enter another fray in Kirkwell and then to fall right into Inquisition. He's like 3 times Armageddon survivor. No one can get out of such ordeals unharmed. Yet, he keeps fighting - that I do admire that unquestionably. He's a man of courage and I would still claim character inclined towards being good.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 1:17:30 GMT
On this basis, every mage must be killed during his childhood. I suppose he wasn't so idiot... He knew well, what happened. You think, he was so paranoid? No. He better than this. But not so much, that he would able to face this, probably yet – and later will be. But at the moment, in Inquisition, he seems not able. Cullen's fault? No. The Inquisitor's fault that doesn't do anything... I like that character, just I can't see him as a Knight in Shiny Armor. The problem that seems the intention was to see him a good boy. I suppose this failed, but maybe it's just me. I always saw him as more of a realistically flawed character. One who was affected by past events but has tried to make up for his mistakes. Yes, we spoke about it, and you're right, he feels bad for his mistakes, but rather for that he doesn't saw Meredith's madness earlier, than for that they treated the Mages. This is what annoys me. And because the Inquisitor cant tell him that. Cassandra seems to feel bad about the Tranquility, Cullen seems not really. But maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by cmoe on Sept 9, 2017 1:20:21 GMT
I always saw him as more of a realistically flawed character. One who was affected by past events but has tried to make up for his mistakes. Yes, we spoke about it, and you're right, he feels bad for his mistakes, but rather for that he doesn't saw Meredith's madness earlier, than for that they treated the Mages. This is what annoys me. And because the Inquisitor cant tell him that. Cassandra seems to feel bad about the Tranquility, Cullen seems not really. But maybe I'm wrong. I understand the part that bothers you. I just meant I don't think he is meant to be seen as a good boy... Don't worry, I know better than to argue mage politics with you.. I still think you should check out the romance path and explore the little bits of extra dialogue.. but as is obvious, i might be biased.
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I always saw him as more of a realistically flawed character. One who was affected by past events but has tried to make up for his mistakes. Yes, we spoke about it, and you're right, he feels bad for his mistakes, but rather for that he doesn't saw Meredith's madness earlier, than for that they treated the Mages. This is what annoys me. And because the Inquisitor cant tell him that. Cassandra seems to feel bad about the Tranquility, Cullen seems not really. But maybe I'm wrong. I think I haven't been very clear so I wish to explain a bit more. Firstly, when I claim that Cullen is 'lawfully good' I don't mean that he is some sort of heroic goody two shoes who does no wrong. I identify him as good aligned because I've never perceived any self-centered motivations or conceit in him. In his philosophy being a Templar foremost means to maintain order and to protect others - which is why eventually he leaves the Templars because he sees that they've diverted from that purpose. His goals and motivations are aimed to serve society rather than his own selfish wims. I've never heard the 'mememememe' sentiment from him. He's oriented towards fixing shit hitting the fan for the good of others. Secondly, I understand your reasoning perfectly why Cullen's behavior troubles you and those are strong reasons. I think the main difference between our perspectives is that I do not believe he has no compassion for the mages - but he certainly does not show it to an extent you would wish for. Cullen wishes to atone for his wrongs, but his values of wrong do not have the same weight as the values you hold. I wouldn't say though that he isn't sorry for the mages. When I started to play Inquisition, I've encountered this statement from Cullen, which I use as judgement plate to define his standing with mages. Cullen: “I’ve seen the suffering magic can inflict. I’ve treated mages with distrust because of it – at times without cause. That was unworthy of me. I’ll try not to do so here.
While this isn't exactly a passionate declaration and crying remorse, he admits that he treated the mages wrong, demonstrates self-awareness that he might still fall into old mistrust habit unintentionally, and expresses desire to change and to treat the mages as fairly as he's capable of. But, no he does not wish to cry tears and run to the Kirkwell mages mass grave to plant flowers there. However, I also find that whenever he talks about memories that are difficult for him to bring to the surface, his speech turns dispassionate and often laconic to satisfy the inquiry without delving into his deeply personal emotions or his mind state, which I imagine to be rather dark. It appears to be a self-defense mechanism because those things are traumatic. It is plausible that he feels far deeper about these things than he shows and also possible that in addition to external torment from the past, he is also hurt by his own actions that he regrets.
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Post by duckley on Sept 9, 2017 4:28:39 GMT
So I am stuck at home with a broken ankle and what else is there to do but play yet another DA:I... Just left Orlais and am seriously thinking that I will say no thanks to both Viv and Sera. Has anyone ever played without recruiting all possible Companions?
I played without Viv once, and in my current (on hold) game I didn't recruit either Sera or Iron Bull. Mostly you just get less content, and have less running around to do at Skyhold. Do you use Jar of Bees? If you don't have Golden Nug, then you need Sera to get the recipe.
I can't tell you what I kick I got out of not recruiting Sera, Vivienne, and Blackwall. I am about to not recruit Iron Bull. Just wanted to try something something different. I almost never use those companions anyways...
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Post by fylimar on Sept 9, 2017 5:27:44 GMT
Today Calistyn did a bit of running around. Cassandra should have her own game. I really love your elf, she looks great.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 9, 2017 5:33:33 GMT
Yes, we spoke about it, and you're right, he feels bad for his mistakes, but rather for that he doesn't saw Meredith's madness earlier, than for that they treated the Mages. This is what annoys me. And because the Inquisitor cant tell him that. Cassandra seems to feel bad about the Tranquility, Cullen seems not really. But maybe I'm wrong. I think I haven't been very clear so I wish to explain a bit more. Firstly, when I claim that Cullen is 'lawfully good' I don't mean that he is some sort of heroic goody two shoes who does no wrong. I identify him as good aligned because I've never perceived any self-centered motivations or conceit in him. In his philosophy being a Templar foremost means to maintain order and to protect others - which is why eventually he leaves the Templars because he sees that they've diverted from that purpose. His goals and motivations are aimed to serve society rather than his own selfish wims. I've never heard the 'mememememe' sentiment from him. He's oriented towards fixing shit hitting the fan for the good of others. Secondly, I understand your reasoning perfectly why Cullen's behavior troubles you and those are strong reasons. I think the main difference between our perspectives is that I do not believe he has no compassion for the mages - but he certainly does not show it to an extent you would wish for. Cullen wishes to atone for his wrongs, but his values of wrong do not have the same weight as the values you hold. I wouldn't say though that he isn't sorry for the mages. When I started to play Inquisition, I've encountered this statement from Cullen, which I use as judgement plate to define his standing with mages. Cullen: “I’ve seen the suffering magic can inflict. I’ve treated mages with distrust because of it – at times without cause. That was unworthy of me. I’ll try not to do so here.
While this isn't exactly a passionate declaration and crying remorse, he admits that he treated the mages wrong, demonstrates self-awareness that he might still fall into old mistrust habit unintentionally, and expresses desire to change and to treat the mages as fairly as he's capable of. But, no he does not wish to cry tears and run to the Kirkwell mages mass grave to plant flowers there. However, I also find that whenever he talks about memories that are difficult for him to bring to the surface, his speech turns dispassionate and often laconic to satisfy the inquiry without delving into his deeply personal emotions or his mind state, which I imagine to be rather dark. It appears to be a self-defense mechanism because those things are traumatic. It is plausible that he feels far deeper about these things than he shows and also possible that in addition to external torment from the past, he is also hurt by his own actions that he regrets. I don't want to spoil your game too much, but if you have a relationship with Cullen as a mage, he has some more to say on the subject and it largely confirms, what you wrote above.
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 9, 2017 5:41:20 GMT
Did a lot of catching up with judgements after Here Lies the Abyss. Also finished the Under Here Skin quest. Valeria has become cold and unforgiving since the tragic events that have occurred since her time in the Inquisition. He/She who passes judgement... This is a long time coming Erimond. Your head will be placed on a pike on the road to Skyhold with the rest of my enemies. Perhaps I won't put all of my strength into this, which would require me to do multiple swings before your head separates from your body. So you want to be executed for your crimes? I would gladly do it but there's no option. To the stocks with you and after that, life in prison with hard labor with no chance of parole. Treason deserves death, off with her head. And add her head with the other enemies of mine. You're a useful tool, you're coming back with me. Your pleas fall upon death ears. Well, there's one bright spot in all of this death and suffering that I have had to endure since being suckered into the Inquisition.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 9, 2017 7:38:47 GMT
Did a lot of catching up with judgements after Here Lies the Abyss. Also finished the Under Here Skin quest. Valeria has become cold and unforgiving since the tragic events that have occurred since her time in the Inquisition. He/She who passes judgement... This is a long time coming Erimond. Your head will be placed on a pike on the road to Skyhold with the rest of my enemies. Perhaps I won't put all of my strength into this, which would require me to do multiple swings before your head separates from your body. So you want to be executed for your crimes? I would gladly do it but there's no option. To the stocks with you and after that, life in prison with hard labor with no chance of parole. Treason deserves death, off with her head. And add her head with the other enemies of mine. You're a useful tool, you're coming back with me. Your pleas fall upon death ears. Well, there's one bright spot in all of this death and suffering that I have had to endure since being suckered into the Inquisition. You've pur a lot of thought into this character imo. She is very intrigueing
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Post by cmoe on Sept 9, 2017 8:09:58 GMT
Did a lot of catching up with judgements after Here Lies the Abyss. Also finished the Under Here Skin quest. Valeria has become cold and unforgiving since the tragic events that have occurred since her time in the Inquisition. He/She who passes judgement... This is a long time coming Erimond. Your head will be placed on a pike on the road to Skyhold with the rest of my enemies. Perhaps I won't put all of my strength into this, which would require me to do multiple swings before your head separates from your body. So you want to be executed for your crimes? I would gladly do it but there's no option. To the stocks with you and after that, life in prison with hard labor with no chance of parole. Treason deserves death, off with her head. And add her head with the other enemies of mine. You're a useful tool, you're coming back with me. Your pleas fall upon death ears. Well, there's one bright spot in all of this death and suffering that I have had to endure since being suckered into the Inquisition. You've pur a lot of thought into this character imo. She is very intriguing And also terrifying! I would not want to piss her off.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 9, 2017 9:20:12 GMT
You've pur a lot of thought into this character imo. She is very intriguing And also terrifying! I would not want to piss her off. Yep, that's for sure
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Post by cmoe on Sept 9, 2017 9:43:03 GMT
Finally, thank the Maker or Andraste or the Elven gods... The Exalted Plains are now completely cleared... Even finished the God of Secrets quest. I like the The Lost Temple of Dirthamen.. So that was fun.. And went to a lake to spend some time with my favorite commander.. Not sure what I'm looking at.. Pretty Temple! Lots of good luck.
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Day 13: The Noob Inquisitor Log
- I knew it. This place is nuttier than a sack full of rabid squirrels. Did not get burned at the stake because everyone was busy punching each other and making fuss about a big Templar guy filing for divorce. - Just when I thought I've given a decorative lynching platform a wide berth an arrow nearly shot through my foot. So much for the hope about it being a love note. More immature death warnings. Pff... what's new? Everyone wants me dead. - While looking for the arrow owner to pull their ears for nearly ruining my shoes, discovered a bunch of apple trees. Hurray! Ignored all doom signs next to them and stuffed my pockets full of apples. At least some compensation for my suffering. - As expected, the author of the kooky note was an elf claiming to be an expert on stealing pants. She makes a valid point nonetheless that having too many pants is better than having none. Told her she could tag along if she really wanted to. - Starting to miss the lunatics.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 13:32:17 GMT
I think I haven't been very clear so I wish to explain a bit more. Firstly, when I claim that Cullen is 'lawfully good' I don't mean that he is some sort of heroic goody two shoes who does no wrong. I identify him as good aligned because I've never perceived any self-centered motivations or conceit in him. In his philosophy being a Templar foremost means to maintain order and to protect others - which is why eventually he leaves the Templars because he sees that they've diverted from that purpose. His goals and motivations are aimed to serve society rather than his own selfish wims. I've never heard the 'mememememe' sentiment from him. He's oriented towards fixing shit hitting the fan for the good of others. Secondly, I understand your reasoning perfectly why Cullen's behavior troubles you and those are strong reasons. I think the main difference between our perspectives is that I do not believe he has no compassion for the mages - but he certainly does not show it to an extent you would wish for. Cullen wishes to atone for his wrongs, but his values of wrong do not have the same weight as the values you hold. I wouldn't say though that he isn't sorry for the mages. When I started to play Inquisition, I've encountered this statement from Cullen, which I use as judgement plate to define his standing with mages. Cullen: “I’ve seen the suffering magic can inflict. I’ve treated mages with distrust because of it – at times without cause. That was unworthy of me. I’ll try not to do so here.
While this isn't exactly a passionate declaration and crying remorse, he admits that he treated the mages wrong, demonstrates self-awareness that he might still fall into old mistrust habit unintentionally, and expresses desire to change and to treat the mages as fairly as he's capable of. But, no he does not wish to cry tears and run to the Kirkwell mages mass grave to plant flowers there. However, I also find that whenever he talks about memories that are difficult for him to bring to the surface, his speech turns dispassionate and often laconic to satisfy the inquiry without delving into his deeply personal emotions or his mind state, which I imagine to be rather dark. It appears to be a self-defense mechanism because those things are traumatic. It is plausible that he feels far deeper about these things than he shows and also possible that in addition to external torment from the past, he is also hurt by his own actions that he regrets. I don't want to spoil your game too much, but if you have a relationship with Cullen as a mage, he has some more to say on the subject and it largely confirms, what you wrote above. And there I wanted a Quanri mage as sooon as I saw my Origins profile avatar. I guess I know what I'll be doing during my 3rd play through two years from now, considering my two weeks pace still in Hinterlands at level 7.
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Post by davesin on Sept 9, 2017 14:23:39 GMT
Today I...
- saved the Circle - lied to Morrigan about slaying her mother - slept with Morrigan (previously slept with Zevran) - proceed to romance hardened Leliana (no sex yet; I plan this as a canon romance choice in DA Keep) - defiled the Urn (Leliana doesn't know about it, Wynne walked away)
I say it was a good day.
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 9, 2017 16:16:58 GMT
And also terrifying! I would not want to piss her off. Yep, that's for sure She's a victim of her circumstances. She went from naïve party girl who is a religious fanatic Andrastian who was full of herself to what she is now. Wait until the Blackwall revelation. She looks at him as a father figure who is a stout warrior with a heart of a lion. I find getting into my game character's head good practice for writing. I have two fantasy stories going, a post-apocalypse and a D&D type fantasy. Did Varric's quest today and tied up some loose ends in the Hinterlands. Someone wasn't amused.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 18:16:13 GMT
A man Tranquilized because wanted to send a letter. You can't justify that fact. He speaks about that "Tranquil incident" to a perhaps Circle Mage Inquisitor, that this was just a routine. And s/he doesn't have any possibility to be angry. This is a very bad moment. Bad writing. I derail the conversation because I can. ^^ //sad sniff What about meeee having to put up with believability (iz word) holes the size of a garbage truck in writing? D: I'm playing DA2 where for all the fanatical witch hunt going on, the Templars are notoriously bad at identifying apostate mages. Just saved Cullen from a bunch of abominations with Anders (see possessed mage) and Merrill (see blood mage) raining hexes and flashy spells during the fight onto the field. Afterwards Cullen is like 'thank you oh fair and completely unsuspicious group of citizens. Please see me in the city for your reward.' My Hawke is like, yup yup they're totally bowmen. :lmfao: Come on Cullen as someone with PSTD and living your entire life as a Templar you can figure it out... mayehbe... Forgive my scribbles hence I draw worse than Zevran picks locks, but DA2 Templars are like this:
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 18:32:21 GMT
A man Tranquilized because wanted to send a letter. You can't justify that fact. He speaks about that "Tranquil incident" to a perhaps Circle Mage Inquisitor, that this was just a routine. And s/he doesn't have any possibility to be angry. This is a very bad moment. Bad writing. I derail the conversation because I can. ^^ //sad sniff What about meeee having to put up with believability (iz word) holes the size of a garbage truck in writing? D: I'm playing DA2 where for all the fanatical witch hunt going on, the Templars are notoriously bad at identifying apostate mages. Just saved Cullen from a bunch of abominations with Anders (see possessed mage) and Merrill (see blood mage) raining hexes and flashy spells during the fight onto the field. Afterwards Cullen is like 'thank you oh fair and completely unsuspicious group of citizens. Please see me in the city for your reward.' My Hawke is like, yup yup they're totally bowmen. :lmfao: Come on Cullen as someone with PSTD and living your entire life as a Templar you can figure it out... mayehbe... Forgive my scribbles hence I draw worse than Zevran picks locks, but DA2 Templars are like this:
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Post by fylimar on Sept 9, 2017 19:08:41 GMT
I dusted off Inara, my human mage. She just returned from Skyhold and wasn't able to make peace between all three fractions, only Celene and Briala (I blame the Hallas). Back from Skyhold, she not only had a nice field trip with Morrigan into a pocketworld, the elves used to travel back in the days, with the help of eluvians (does anyone know the novel Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell? There was a very similar way of travelling between worlds, made by the fae no less). After that, she found Cassandra in a discussion with Motehr Giselle, who wnated to convince her to become Divine. Since Cass is one of the most decent people, Inara had met during this adventure (the other three, a dwarven rogue, a Tevinter mage and an ex-Qunari mercenary leader with a heart of gold would probably be too radical choices ... and they have the wrong sex anyway), she has agreed to sponsor her. Cass has some good ideas and seems stubborn enough to get them through. The next news, Ianar received, wasn't as good: Sutherland and his crew seems to be missing. A scouting mission lead to the Storm Coast. Of course, Inara didn't wast any time and went after the group, in the hope to be soon enough to safe them. Unfortunately, tehre are also Darkspan activities at the Storm Coast, but that has to wait until Sutherland and his crew is safe home. This is Inara without any mod (apart from the hair mod) And this is with mods and new hair (yes, I use that on Liora too, but I just like it so much - it looks more believable than that fancy updo and I thought with Inara getting more to do, she will have less time to do her hair) And some funny dialogue with Cassandra (I use mostly funny and sarcastic dialogue options with Inara, I guess, it shows) I've got one more
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 19:11:01 GMT
Catilina and @hanako Why yes! This is a new trend in Kirkwell to play fetch with mabaris. That's why Hawke and his friends all carry those big sticks on their backs. And the skeletal minion at their backs carrying the baggage is just a trendy dog fridge. //serious nod Seriously though, do mages really need phylacteries when they have to drag their huge staffs everywhere? Robes and staff like how do you go about inconspicuously? At least in Harry Potter you can disguise your wand as an umbrella, but a staff...?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 9, 2017 19:16:53 GMT
Catilina and @hanako Why yes! This is a new trend in Kirkwell to play fetch with mabaris. That's why Hawke and his friends all carry those big sticks on their backs. Seriously though, do mages really need phylacteries when they have to drag their huge staffs everywhere? Robes and staff like how do you go about inconspicuously? At least in Harry Potter you can disguise your wand as an umbrella, but a staff...? polearm fashionable accessory
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Post by fylimar on Sept 9, 2017 19:18:50 GMT
Catilina and @hanako Why yes! This is a new trend in Kirkwell to play fetch with mabaris. That's why Hawke and his friends all carry those big sticks on their backs. Seriously though, do mages really need phylacteries when they have to drag their huge staffs everywhere? Robes and staff like how do you go about inconspicuously? At least in Harry Potter you can disguise your wand as an umbrella, but a staff...? I use a hide staff mod in DA2, because it really is unbelievable, that the templars don't spot those staffs at least. When doing Cullens quest, I normally leave Anders, Merrill and Bethany at home and if my Hawke is a mage, I fight from close distance with basic attacks in that fight (it's not that hard anyway), so it looks more, like she uses a quarterstaff rather than a mage staff (I use a staff mod, that makes her staff look more like a weapon, with a blade at the end and no ornaments).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 19:23:58 GMT
Catilina and @hanako Why yes! This is a new trend in Kirkwell to play fetch with mabaris. That's why Hawke and his friends all carry those big sticks on their backs. Seriously though, do mages really need phylacteries when they have to drag their huge staffs everywhere? Robes and staff like how do you go about inconspicuously? At least in Harry Potter you can disguise your wand as an umbrella, but a staff...? polearm fashionable accessory You can add a spear to the list. Those are the first objects the Templars would be examining if they were actually intelligent. Plus when you start casting there's just no way to disguise the powers. The group fights plenty with the Templars present.
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