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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 3:51:46 GMT
And... "he would have never gained Greagoir's respect"? Why would a mage fight for a Templar's respect? This just wrong! The mere thought terrified me!
Here. This is not that. You wrote that, because Irving was so wise, that he didn't want to escape from the Circle, because he would such an idiot than Anders, he have never gained Gregoir's respect. Okay, we don't speak about "Templar" and "Mage". We speak about humans. So a man can't respect another man, who wants to be free? A man can respect another man only for his obedience? So a man can't respect another man, who wants to be free?Anders is not disrespected because he wants to be free. He's disrespected for the means he chooses to obtain his freedom and for not treating the Templars as human beings. He's actually HAPPY that his demon possessed cat kills some Templars. A man can respect another man only for his obedience?
Since when does diplomacy and willingness to compromise equate to blind obedience? When you're choosing rage and to hate on someone based on their position in society, you're closing off all possibility of a compromise with those people and allowing only violence to solve things.
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 22, 2017 3:54:12 GMT
Curtain call, Valeria. End of Trespasser, in her words. One more fight. Viddasala dies or I will. Makes no difference to me any more. I'm still disappointed we don't get to kill Viddasala ourselves. That would have been nice. I can' think of a place to stick that spear of hers. Solas used his evil eye of stone. Would have been nice if he had that ability earlier, would have made the battles easier.
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Post by phoray on Sept 22, 2017 4:42:03 GMT
Hey, Anders/Justice's good, he's the most complicated character! You can love or hate him, he's the best! I'm angry with Anders because I heart him dearly and it saddens me that he's losing the good in him step by step. That's the beauty and tragedy of Dragon Age. Some people travel towards the Redemption. And some travel away from it, leaving those tender moments behind that forged a mark in your heart. What hurt me most about Anders is that when my Hawke had no one left...and he had actively encouraged her to make a life with him... He blew a building up and EXPECTED her to destroy the only thing she still loved. Like putting a blade in his back wouldn't be like killing herself at this point as well. The gas lighting dialogue strategy to get her to help him sneak a bomb in didn't help either. PS should have waited for Meredith to walk into the Chantry with Orsino and then blew it up. Dummy. But mostly the first thing. You made me love you and now you ask me to kill you. And I stress this- The SIN is in the asking.
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 22, 2017 5:20:55 GMT
I've played a few days, a new game, but haven't posted anything on my new character yet. I just got done talking to the mages in Redcliffe. So lets just cut to the highlights of Alexia's journey. In her naïve words: Of course I'll help you, its the right thing to do. Whoa! Ease off there. I trying to help you out. Don't be one of those crazy shems that I've heard about. Nice to meet you to Mr. Bald Headed Elf Guy. WTF is this thing we're fighting? Those humans! How did they know what my poison is? Can't wait to put this to use. Mother Gisselle I assume? We're here to rescue you. So you strut like this after winning? Mmmm aren't you a force of nature, Cassandra. Flatter you? I try. So what do we do now, Cassandra? What? I am the chosen of Andraste! I'm sorry, I don't speak guttural city elf. Part 2 I saw that. I was waiting for you to "save" me. You're strangely charming for an older man. This Sera sure is memorizing. Choosing Tevintor was a big mistake. Well, hello there. You're a handsome dandy of a man!
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 22, 2017 5:47:39 GMT
Curtain call, Valeria. End of Trespasser, in her words. One more fight. Viddasala dies or I will. Makes no difference to me any more. I'm still disappointed we don't get to kill Viddasala ourselves. Saaaame. And then get that damn book from her cold body to finally see what's inside
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This is not that. You wrote that, because Irving was so wise, that he didn't want to escape from the Circle, because he would such an idiot than Anders, he have never gained Gregoir's respect. Okay, we don't speak about "Templar" and "Mage". We speak about humans. So a man can't respect another man, who wants to be free? A man can respect another man only for his obedience? So a man can't respect another man, who wants to be free?Anders is not disrespected because he wants to be free. He's disrespected for the means he chooses to obtain his freedom and for not treating the Templars as human beings. He's actually HAPPY that his demon possessed cat kills some Templars. A man can respect another man only for his obedience?
Since when does diplomacy and willingness to compromise equate to blind obedience? When you're choosing rage and to hate on someone based on their position in society, you're closing off all possibility of a compromise with those people and allowing only violence to solve things. Anders disrespected in the Circle for the means what he chooses? What means? He just escaped. After the 6. escape the Templars closed him to solitary confinement for one year. For his simple escape attempts. This is equitable means? Was he proud to Mr. Wiggums*? Ofc he was! But he wasn't HAPPY about it. (Where is the happiness in "Poor Mr. Wiggums!" Mr. Wiggums was possessed, and died. He was not happy about it!) Okay: the cat killed the Templars when he was in the solitary confinement... Hawke killed the slave hunters and Danarius. Danarius didn't attack Hawke, only asks for his escaped property. And Fenris was HAPPY. So Fenris' terrible person. He was grateful for a murder! Or? You said: Anders was one of your fav companions in Awakening, but why? Because of his stupid jokes? Seems you not really like, who he is actually. I don't understand... What compromise? I will behave well, if you don't kill me? A fine compromise, yes. ____ *This moment was not mentioned in the history of the Circle. We know that only from Anders' tale. So: Perhaps Mr. Wiggums and Anders killed every eyewitness (probably the massacre wiuld mentioned in the chronicles), or... One year solitary confinement. How many times he was tempted in his nightmare, and what was the reality, what is the dream/nightmares? (cf: Cullen has PTSD because of Uldred's act.)
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So a man can't respect another man, who wants to be free?Anders is not disrespected because he wants to be free. He's disrespected for the means he chooses to obtain his freedom and for not treating the Templars as human beings. He's actually HAPPY that his demon possessed cat kills some Templars. A man can respect another man only for his obedience?
Since when does diplomacy and willingness to compromise equate to blind obedience? When you're choosing rage and to hate on someone based on their position in society, you're closing off all possibility of a compromise with those people and allowing only violence to solve things. Anders disrespected in the Circle for the means what he chooses? What means? He just escaped. After the 6. escape the Templars closed him to solitary confinement for one year. For his simple escape attempts. This is equitable means? Was he proud to Mr. Wiggums*? Ofc he was! But he wasn't HAPPY about it. (Where is the happiness in "Poor Mr. Wiggums!" Mr. Wiggums was possessed, and died. He was not happy about it!) Okay: the cat killed the Templars when he was in the solitary confinement... Hawke killed the slave hunters and Danarius. Danarius didn't attack Hawke, only asks for his escaped property. And Fenris was HAPPY. So Fenris' terrible person. He was grateful for a murder! You said: Anders was one of your fav companions in Awakening, but why? Because of his stupid jokes? Seems you not really like, who he is actually. I don't understand... What compromise? I will behave well, if you don't kill me? A fine compromise, yes. ____ *This moment was not mentioned in the history of the Circle. We know that only from Anders' tale. So: Perhaps Mr. Wiggums and Anders killed every eyewitness (probably the massacre wiuld mentioned in the chronicles), or... One year solitary confinement. How many times he was tempted in his nightmare, and what was the reality, what is the dream/nightmares? (cf: Cullen has PTSD because of Uldred's act.) He did not just escape. If he is as vocal about the whole situation as he is with the Warden, than he - on purpose - acted disrespectful and antagonistic to Templars from day 1 of his arrival by that closing off a possibility of negotiating with them. Anders isn't happy that the cat died. He doesn't care that Templars died. Anders was one of your fav companions in Awakening, but why? Because of his stupid jokes?Means = different ways of doing something. Anders does not have the radical philosophy in the Awakening like he does in DA2. In fact, when you meet Wynne in Amaranthene, and she mentions a problem at the circle, he speaks out against the extremists. In the Awakening I believe Anders to be innocent. While being rude to Templars won't make them like you, that's not a crime. In the Awakening, I appreciate that he's capable of posing the heavy human rights arguments with the addition of charm and humour rather than being all preachy and up on a moral high horse about it. I can see that he wants to find freedom by means that do not harm other people. I respect him for jumping into the lake to obtain his freedom. I admire people who do not give up after many failed attempts and those who are able to rise and try again - that type of determination earns respect. In DA2 Anders turns to pure terrorist means and before that he murders two innocents and he's completely hypocritical about everything. You say he had a deal with his friend Karl the mage in case they turn tranquil. But, did he have a deal with Karl the Tranquil? Anders is all pissed off how Templars do not treat mages like people, yet, he treats the Tranquil like they aren't people. Does Anders even ask Karl after he goes Tranquil whether he wants to live? Anders denies Karl the most basic of human rights by not even posing the question. He simply stabs Karl while his completely defenseless friend is looking up at him with trust. Take a look again at Karl's face when Justice murders him. Seems you not really like, who he is actually. I don't understand..
So in your opinion the only way to prove that you like someone is to encourage their terrorist acts? You're not allowed to disagree with someone you like? You have to parrot everything they say and go along with their plans no matter how stupid they are? That's not friendship. What compromise? I will behave well, if you don't kill me? A fine compromise, yes.
This logic is flawed because it misinterprets who Templars are from the starting point. Templars = police. Templars do not equal executioners. You can argue that the society laws the Templars uphold are evil/flawed/debase human rights. That part is not within Meredith's or Gregor's power to alter. It's how they work within that Federal law and how they apply it on the Municipal level is what marks whether they are honourable or dishonourable. So, when you're ignoring personal qualities and narrowing it down to the dead lock your question poses: this makes every single person who follows the law in Ferelden evil. Than we're back to square one about the hypocricy of the argument - posing your question like that discounts all possibility of human qualities in the Templars. By your logic if you are working for the Chantry than you're automatically guilty and no personal qualities make you suitable to negotiate with. There are plenty of mages in the tower who are obedient, but Gregor listens specifically to Irving's advice, not to every single person just because they happen to follow the rules well. That's because Gregor respects Irving for personal qualities. Blindly obedient would be if Irving went along with everything Gregor says. That's not true. Gregor and Irving ague all the time and Irving is pushing for greater flexibility in a law system that binds BOTH Gregor and Irving. They're both intelligent men who understand that there is a law overwriting their personal authority they BOTH submit to. I believe the things are as stable in the tower as they are because Gregor and Irving have mutual respect not because there is some sick master/slave relationship going on. You have a door and a Federal law: mages cannot exit this door. By your logic - unless Gregor blows the door with the TNT and shouts for mages to run for it - no matter how he goes about guarding that door it makes him automatically evil because he's locked into the role of upholding that law. This dehumanizes and throws every single Templar into a single hostile towards your beliefs role that must be treated with violence only and disdain.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 22, 2017 16:29:43 GMT
Anders disrespected in the Circle for the means what he chooses? What means? He just escaped. After the 6. escape the Templars closed him to solitary confinement for one year. For his simple escape attempts. This is equitable means? Was he proud to Mr. Wiggums*? Ofc he was! But he wasn't HAPPY about it. (Where is the happiness in "Poor Mr. Wiggums!" Mr. Wiggums was possessed, and died. He was not happy about it!) Okay: the cat killed the Templars when he was in the solitary confinement... Hawke killed the slave hunters and Danarius. Danarius didn't attack Hawke, only asks for his escaped property. And Fenris was HAPPY. So Fenris' terrible person. He was grateful for a murder!
You said: Anders was one of your fav companions in Awakening, but why? Because of his stupid jokes? Seems you not really like, who he is actually. I don't understand...
What compromise? I will behave well, if you don't kill me? A fine compromise, yes. ____ *This moment was not mentioned in the history of the Circle. We know that only from Anders' tale. So: Perhaps Mr. Wiggums and Anders killed every eyewitness (probably the massacre wiuld mentioned in the chronicles), or... One year solitary confinement. How many times he was tempted in his nightmare, and what was the reality, what is the dream/nightmares? (cf: Cullen has PTSD because of Uldred's act.) He did not just escape. If he is as vocal about the whole situation as he is with the Warden, than he - on purpose - acted disrespectful and antagonistic to Templars from day 1 of his arrival by that closing off a possibility of negotiating with them. Anders isn't happy that the cat died. He doesn't care that Templars died.
Anders was one of your fav companions in Awakening, but why? Because of his stupid jokes?
Means = different ways of doing something.
Anders does not have the radical philosophy in the Awakening like he does in DA2. In fact, when you meet Wynne in Amaranthene, and she mentions a problem at the circle, he speaks out against the extremists. In the Awakening I believe Anders to be innocent. While being rude to Templars won't make them like you, that's not a crime. In the Awakening, I appreciate that he's capable of posing the heavy human rights arguments with the addition of charm and humour rather than being all preachy and up on a moral high horse about it. I can see that he wants to find freedom by means that do not harm other people. I respect him for jumping into the lake to obtain his freedom.
In DA2 Anders turns to pure terrorist means and before that he murders two innocents and he's completely hypocritical about everything. You say he had a deal with his friend Karl the mage in case they turn tranquil. But, did he have a deal with Karl the Tranquil? Anders is all pissed off how Templars do not treat mages like people, yet, he treats the Tranquil like they aren't people. Does Anders even ask Karl after he goes Tranquil whether he wants to live? Anders denies Karl the most basic of human rights by not even posing the question. He simply stabs Karl while his completely defenseless friend is looking up at him with trust. Take a look again at Karl's face when Justice murders him.
Seems you not really like, who he is actually. I don't understand..
So in your opinion the only way to prove that you like someone is to encourage their terrorist acts? You're not allowed to disagree with someone you like? You have to parrot everything they say and go along with their plans no matter how stupid they are? That's not friendship.
What compromise? I will behave well, if you don't kill me? A fine compromise, yes.
This logic is flawed because it misinterprets who Templars are from the starting point.
Templars = police. Templars do not equal executioners.
You can argue that the society laws the Templars uphold are evil/flawed/debase human rights. That part is not within Meredith's or Gregor's power to alter. It's how they work within that Federal law and how they apply it on the Municipal level is what marks whether they are honourable or dishonourable.
So, when you're ignoring personal qualities and narrowing it down to the dead lock your question poses: this makes every single person who follows the law in Ferelden evil. Than we're back to square one about the hypocricy of the argument - posing your question like that discounts all possibility of human qualities in the Templars. By your logic if you are working for the Chantry than you're automatically guilty and no personal qualities make you suitable to negotiate with.
There are plenty of mages in the tower who are obedient, but Gregor listens specifically to Irving's advice, not to every single person just because they happen to follow the rules well. That's because Gregor respects Irving for personal qualities. Blindly obedient would be if Irving went along with everything Gregor says. That's not true. Gregor and Irving ague all the time and Irving is pushing for greater flexibility in a law system that binds BOTH Gregor and Irving. They're both intelligent men who understand that there is a law overwriting their personal authority they BOTH submit to. I believe the things are as stable in the tower as they are because Gregor and Irving have mutual respect not because there is some sick master/slave relationship going on.
You have a door and a Federal law: mages cannot exit this door. By your logic - unless Gregor blows the door with the TNT and shouts for mages to run for it - no matter how he goes about guarding that door it makes him automatically evil because he's locked into the role of upholding that law. This dehumanizes and throws every single Templar into a single hostile towards your beliefs role that must be treated with violence only and disdain. Ofc. Anders never was able to accept his position inside the Circle. And he was right. He swore himself (at age 12), when the Templars arrested him, that he will never obey. He wanted to remember, that the life outside the Circle is exists – in fact ONLY in outide exist. Despite that, when he found the love with Karl, he didn't tried to escape. But they took away Karl from him. Irving knew, he will try to escape, then the Templars were constantly watching him for a while. When he found an opportunity, escaped again... and (after the solitary confinement), again. Accordig to me, this is natural, and not a crime, according to you, this is a crime. He didn't care about the Templars? Of course not! ____ If the law is evil, no one needs has to follow it! (I go further: when a law is evil, to follow that, is a sin. For example to return back a slave to the master... but: in Tevinter, who rebel against this, proving criminal.) Despite that, I never told, that every Templars are "evil". Most of them joined the Order because wanted to protect people, wanted to help them. Someone of them followed this principle until the end of their lives. The Chantry was guilty, the templars were the victim of system too. ____ I spoke about only Awakening!Anders here. ____ He was not that " innocent" guy, what ou want to see him. (But stay here for a moment... you said: he was happy due the Templars death, he was uncompromising even in the Awakening, and law-breaker... so how? I don't understand: he was innocent, or uncompromising and "disrespectfully antagonistic" who doesn't care about people [templars] death...) In Awakening he was same man, who in DA2. He was radical in his thought, ONLY he didn't believe, that the world can change, and he able to work for it. He told to Justice, that this is HARD, not that he doesn't think, that he don't want a change. Who wasn't able to stop thinking about what they speak about the freedom, was Awakening!Anders. Who wanted a revolution was Awakenig!Anders, and who offered his help to Justice, and accepted Justice's offer was Awakening!Anders. ____ Because Karl, the mage begged him for the help (kill), and he knows Karl, the mage, and he knows what Karl, the Mage wants. I suppose this decision based on their old agreement. Karl the Tranquil probably would prefer the life over the death. (There was a debate in this forum about it. I understand you position, but I'm sure, that Karl, the man wanted to die) (Bethany also supports the mercy kill.) ____ In a police-state, the police can be equal with the executioner. Meredith NEVER worked according the law. She was a law-breaker, a criminal, according the Chantry's law. Greagoir, we don't know, but probably he was law-abiding. ___ Irving and Greagoir is old guys in the Circle hierarchy, but their relationship was never mutual. Perhaps Greagoir respect Irving, but this is just deoend on his whim. I don't say, that Greagoir is really bad. I not dehumanize the Templars, it's very human trait to abuse of power...
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 22, 2017 17:01:00 GMT
Doing the quest to get the horses from the horse master. Let Viv out of her cage and brought her with us. Charming as ever, as her remark about the Hinterlands shows, The entire country reeks of wet dog. How charming. These uppity Orlesians sure stick their nose up in the air about Feralden. I recall a couple of similar comments in DAO. At least it doesn't smell like perfumed bung holes.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 22, 2017 17:18:33 GMT
I did Here Lies the Abyss today. Been putting it off forever on this playthrough because I really, really hate the anti-warden track Inquisition took and it reaches a peak here.
Bioware is completely incapable of turning me against the Wardens. However stupidly Bioware has them act, whatever atrocities Bioware has them commit, I won't get invested enough in the story to despise the wardens. I'll only get angry at Bioware for writing their story that way.
And I swear to god if DA4 forces me to protect a goddamn archdemon because killing it will some how make things worse, I will eject the disk from my console, microwave it, shatter it with a hammer, and mail the pieces to Bioware with a strongly worded letter explaining how they've lost my patronage from here on out.
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 22, 2017 17:20:32 GMT
That poor archdemon has feelings to. Instead of killing it, perhaps capture it and rehabilitate it to be a better individual in society.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Sept 22, 2017 18:26:42 GMT
I finally completed my PT with Tauriel! Sadly I had to do the battle against the AD twice because the game crashed just before the epilogue slides the first time! Arghh!!! At least it turned out better than my last completed PT which require console commands to get through the battle of Denerim. (And where I was assisted by both the Dalish AND the Werewolves! And where my GW survived despite not doing the DR.) Some highlights (Part I) While trying to break into Vaughan's old estate to free Anora, Tauriel notices some rather odd statues? Are these supposed to be mages? (At least not another "woman with a bowl" statue!) i.imgur.com/jf5pTNa.pngTauriel sadly remembers the last time she was in this castle... i.imgur.com/6gV5yMX.pngFamous last words: A dying Arl Howe quotes adonniel! (Actually more like paraphrases adonniel, but he was dying and didn't have much time...) i.imgur.com/S8X3PaN.pngThe escape does not go as planned... i.imgur.com/8VqgdMX.pngi.imgur.com/zew8brZ.pngBack at Eamon's estate, all are angry at Anora who threw Tauriel under the bus while making her escape. i.imgur.com/kYUXzKL.pngi.imgur.com/DYWqr36.pngThen light-hearted mediator Oghren steps in! i.imgur.com/Zr2bADB.pngComing to the rescue: Morrigan and Alistair! i.imgur.com/Vn6TUOA.pngI never tried this combination before; it was quite funny. After getting past the guards with their lame story, Alistair says he can't believe the guards fell for it. To which Morrigan replies: "Neither can I! Your acting was terrible!" To be continued...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 18:36:09 GMT
When he found an opportunity, escaped again... and (after the solitary confinement), again. Accordig to me, this is natural, and not a crime, according to you, this is a crime.
Maybe you should read again what I said?
I respect him for jumping into the lake to obtain his freedom. I admire people who do not give up after many failed attempts and those who are able to rise and try again - that type of determination earns respect.
If the law is evil, no one needs has to follow it!
I not dehumanize the Templars.
These statements are contradictory. It is the purpose of Templars to uphold the Chantry law. Yet, you claim anyone that follows that law commits sin and should not be compromised with. I'm getting an impression that in your opinion a compromise is only when the Templars choose to agree with your opinion and fling away all their life time taught beliefs to openly oppose the Chantry, otherwise, they're all bad people who have no hope of redemption.
Your definition of a good Templar or a bad Templar solely revolves around a single philosophy not around their personal merit - whether they work for the Chantry or rebel against the Chantry. If they work for the Chantry than they commit sin and are evil.
The Chantry was guilty, the templars were the victim of system too.
Really? You defend it when Anders takes it out on the Templars. You say that a mage wouldn't want to earn 'Templar's respect.' That's not pointing fingers at some distant Chantry - that's hating on a local level. You see a Templar guard and you hate him for blocking that door. You're saying that my mage suffers from a syndrome just because she doesn't automatically agree with you that she should hate the place she had been raised in. No - imagine that - I don't hate the guard even if I don't agree that I shouldn't be allowed to go outside. I don't see a need to lash out against a local Joe the Templar who has no more say about these laws than I do. I do not believe it will help my cause to get free by insulting him and making his day shit by coming over and bitching at him how he's a brainwashed asshole because he won't open the door and let me out. How are you respecting him or treating him as a human being rather than faceless jailer at that instance when you choose to hate him for his occupation? Why should he respect you in return when you show him no consideration? If you want to make change and have people listen to your revolutionary ideas - than insulting the opposing party will get you nothing. Irving and Wynne have much better odds at being heard with their proposals to make small, gradual changes because they show consideration for the Templars. Just because Irving is willing to negotiate with Gregor doesn't mean he's not following the same desire to obtain freedom and being polite to the Templars doesn't immediately diagnose you with a mental health problem. Irving chooses to go a different way about obtaining freedom, doesn't mean he doesn't fight for it.
Karl the Tranquil probably would prefer the life over the death. (There was a debate in this forum about it. I understand you position, but I'm sure, that Karl, the man wanted to die)
So, you deny humanity to the Tranquil because you say that Karl is only a man when he's not tranquil - otherwise he's not qualified to make decisions regarding his life/death. Exactly, he most likely would have wanted to live - it was not for Anders to decide instead of him.
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Post by cmoe on Sept 22, 2017 18:59:25 GMT
I finally completed my PT with Tauriel! Sadly I had to do the battle against the AD twice because the game crashed just before the epilogue slides the first time! Arghh!!! At least it turned out better than my last completed PT which require console commands to get through the battle of Denerim. (And where I was assisted by both the Dalish AND the Werewolves! And where my GW survived despite not doing the DR.) Some highlights (Part I) While trying to break into Vaughan's old estate to free Anora, Tauriel notices some rather odd statues? Are these supposed to be mages? (At least not another "woman with a bowl" statue!) i.imgur.com/jf5pTNa.pngTauriel sadly remembers the last time she was in this castle... i.imgur.com/6gV5yMX.pngFamous last words: A dying Arl Howe quotes adonniel! (Actually more like paraphrases adonniel, but he was dying and didn't have much time...) i.imgur.com/S8X3PaN.pngThe escape does not go as planned... i.imgur.com/8VqgdMX.pngi.imgur.com/zew8brZ.pngBack at Eamon's estate, all are angry at Anora who threw Tauriel under the bus while making her escape. i.imgur.com/kYUXzKL.pngi.imgur.com/DYWqr36.pngThen light-hearted mediator Oghren steps in! i.imgur.com/Zr2bADB.pngComing to the rescue: Morrigan and Alistair! i.imgur.com/Vn6TUOA.pngI never tried this combination before; it was quite funny. After getting past the guards with their lame story, Alistair says he can't believe the guards fell for it. To which Morrigan replies: "Neither can I! Your acting was terrible!" To be continued... What's next? DA2?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 22, 2017 19:18:25 GMT
When he found an opportunity, escaped again... and (after the solitary confinement), again. Accordig to me, this is natural, and not a crime, according to you, this is a crime.
Maybe you should read again what I said? I respect him for jumping into the lake to obtain his freedom. I admire people who do not give up after many failed attempts and those who are able to rise and try again - that type of determination earns respect. If the law is evil, no one needs has to follow it! I not dehumanize the Templars.
These statements are contradictory. It is the purpose of Templars to uphold the Chantry law. Yet, you claim anyone that follows that law commits sin and should not be compromised with. I'm getting an impression that in your opinion a compromise is only when the Templars choose to agree with your opinion and fling away all their life time taught beliefs to openly oppose the Chantry, otherwise, they're all bad people who have no hope of redemption. Your definition of a good Templar or a bad Templar solely revolves around a single philosophy not around their personal merit - whether they work for the Chantry or rebel against the Chantry. If they work for the Chantry than they commit sin and are evil. The Chantry was guilty, the templars were the victim of system too.Really? You defend it when Anders takes it out on the Templars. You say that a mage wouldn't want to earn 'Templar's respect.' That's not pointing fingers at some distant Chantry - that's hating on a local level. You see a Templar guard and you hate him for blocking that door. You're saying that my mage suffers from a syndrome just because she doesn't automatically agree with you that she should hate the place she had been raised in. No - imagine that - I don't hate the guard even if I don't agree that I shouldn't be allowed to go outside. I don't see a need to lash out against a local Joe the Templar who has no more say about these laws than I do. I do not believe it will help my cause to get free by insulting him and making his day shit by coming over and bitching at him how he's a brainwashed asshole because he won't open the door and let me out. How are you respecting him or treating him as a human being rather than faceless jailer at that instance when you choose to hate him for his occupation? Why should he respect you in return when you show him no consideration? If you want to make change and have people listen to your revolutionary ideas - than insulting the opposing party will get you nothing. Irving and Wynne have much better odds at being heard with their proposals to make small, gradual changes because they show consideration for the Templars. Just because Irving is willing to negotiate with Gregor doesn't mean he's not following the same desire to obtain freedom and being polite to the Templars doesn't immediately diagnose you with a mental health problem. Karl the Tranquil probably would prefer the life over the death. (There was a debate in this forum about it. I understand you position, but I'm sure, that Karl, the man wanted to die)So, you deny humanity to the Tranquil because you say that Karl is only a man when he's not tranquil. Exactly, he most likely would have wanted to live - it was not for Anders to decide instead of him. (I really love that debate, can we continue in another topic? Here one, for example – but many others, where we can avoid to be off topic.) 1. Okay, you love Awakening!Anders, I got it. 2. Where the contradiction? The Templars are people. Misguided people. And someone of them a Chantry-orphan (mage's child), and became Templar just as Alistair: against/without his/her will. 3. The Templar are the victim of the chantry. They are damaged, just as the mages: lyrium-addicted people, with PTSD, who will die as drooling miserable mindless old wo/men, and this is the sin of the chantry. 4. Tranquil Karl doesn't want to live. He prefers the life over the death. I don't think, Tranquil Karl wants anything.
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Ant this is why I never get Wynne, but Anders, with his escape attempts, was fascinating! And Justice/Anders's conversations were fantastic When I got these two in one, and romanceable for a man too! Oh my! ____ The magi circle is highly complex. At the start of DAO our noob mage talks to an npc who describes at least five mage factions. All of those groups are aware that their human rights are being trampled, however, they have different stance on what to do about it. Anders would belong to an extremist group that openly defies it. However, just because others do not share his radical rejection of the Chantry law, doesn't mean they're submissive or passive. When if comes to Wynne - if you choose Anora for the throne than Wynne stays at court and begins advising the Queen of Ferelden on the Circle affairs. I don't believe for a moment that Wynne in the position of power would do nothing about changing the laws. Except, she works at it from within the system by cooperation - a way which I also prefer because I perceive it as less bloody - whereas Anders attempts to impose changes from the outside. Wynne reaches this position of power where her voice matters and can be heard by the highest stations in Ferelden by cooperation with the Templars.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 19:36:52 GMT
(I really love that debate, can we continue in another topic? Here one, for example – but many others, where we can avoid to be off topic.) 1. Okay, you love Awakening!Anders, I got it. Oh poo. I didn't realize we were that far off topic. I repent, roll into a carpet and get under the couch. 1. I sweeerrzzz I doooo! //never gives Anders to that evil Ser Rhys even with the evilest Warden I even like him in DA2! *hugs Anders* LET ME SAVE YOU FROM YOU! I swear when Anders showed me that secret Gallows passage and said he personally helped five mages escape through it, my Hawke was like, I'm so proud of youuu! Invite me next time so I can defend your expedition against all the evil lyrium smuggles! Save the innocents! And then Hawke spends like ten years hiding Ander's clinic from the Templars because he is performing next to Saintly acts in it. See? My Hawke is willing to break the law and do some mage smuggling for Anders. D: How can you say I don't love him? But.... then he kills that innocent mage and I'm like .......... ANDERS!!!!! :rage:
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Post by Catilina on Sept 22, 2017 20:09:07 GMT
Ant this is why I never get Wynne, but Anders, with his escape attempts, was fascinating! And Justice/Anders's conversations were fantastic When I got these two in one, and romanceable for a man too! Oh my! ____ The magi circle is highly complex. At the start of DAO our noob mage talks to an npc who describes at least five mage factions. All of those groups are aware that their human rights are being trampled, however, they have different stance on what to do about it. Anders would belong to an extremist group that openly defies it. However, just because others do not share his radical rejection of the Chantry law, doesn't mean they're submissive or passive. When if comes to Wynne - if you choose Anora for the throne than Wynne stays at court and begins advising the Queen of Ferelden on the Circle affairs. I don't believe for a moment that Wynne in the position of power would do nothing about changing the laws. Except, she works at it from within the system by cooperation - a way which I also prefer because I perceive it as less bloody - whereas Anders attempts to impose changes from the outside. Wynne reaches this position of power where her voice matters and can be heard by the highest stations in Ferelden by cooperation with the Templars. I know, there are many ways to try to be free. But the Aequitarians are too tolerant for my taste. I see the tries, but they over the centuries they have not achieved anything. Anders would be a Libertarian-Resolutionist? Perhaps. I don't think, he would want to join to any faction. His thought about that the mages must use their abilities in a responsible and ethical manner, regardless of Chantry law – concur with the Aequitarians' principle, but I think, this is a general description of the "good" mage: he never supported the blood magic, or abuse of the magical power and dealing with demons. (Perhaps, this is weird after the Chantry explosion, but I'm sure, that still this principle guides him. He's weird and complex.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 22, 2017 20:23:37 GMT
(I really love that debate, can we continue in another topic? Here one, for example – but many others, where we can avoid to be off topic.) 1. Okay, you love Awakening!Anders, I got it. Oh poo. I didn't realize we were that far off topic. I repent, roll into a carpet and get under the couch. 1. I sweeerrzzz I doooo! //never gives Anders to that evil Ser Rhys even with the evilest Warden I even like him in DA2! *hugs Anders* LET ME SAVE YOU FROM YOU! I swear when Anders showed me that secret Gallows passage and said he personally helped five mages escape through it, my Hawke was like, I'm so proud of youuu! Invite me next time so I can defend your expedition against all the evil lyrium smuggles! Save the innocents! And then Hawke spends like ten years hiding Ander's clinic from the Templars because he is performing next to Saintly acts in it. See? My Hawke is willing to break the law and do some mage smuggling for Anders. D: How can you say I don't love him? But.... then he kills that innocent mage and I'm like .......... ANDERS!!!!! :rage: But Fenris really good in this scene!
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Post by deadlydwarf on Sept 22, 2017 20:34:28 GMT
I finally completed my PT with Tauriel! Sadly I had to do the battle against the AD twice because the game crashed just before the epilogue slides the first time! Arghh!!! At least it turned out better than my last completed PT which require console commands to get through the battle of Denerim. (And where I was assisted by both the Dalish AND the Werewolves! And where my GW survived despite not doing the DR.) Some highlights (Part I) While trying to break into Vaughan's old estate to free Anora, Tauriel notices some rather odd statues? Are these supposed to be mages? (At least not another "woman with a bowl" statue!) i.imgur.com/jf5pTNa.pngTauriel sadly remembers the last time she was in this castle... i.imgur.com/6gV5yMX.pngFamous last words: A dying Arl Howe quotes adonniel! (Actually more like paraphrases adonniel, but he was dying and didn't have much time...) i.imgur.com/S8X3PaN.pngThe escape does not go as planned... i.imgur.com/8VqgdMX.pngi.imgur.com/zew8brZ.pngBack at Eamon's estate, all are angry at Anora who threw Tauriel under the bus while making her escape. i.imgur.com/kYUXzKL.pngi.imgur.com/DYWqr36.pngThen light-hearted mediator Oghren steps in! i.imgur.com/Zr2bADB.pngComing to the rescue: Morrigan and Alistair! i.imgur.com/Vn6TUOA.pngI never tried this combination before; it was quite funny. After getting past the guards with their lame story, Alistair says he can't believe the guards fell for it. To which Morrigan replies: "Neither can I! Your acting was terrible!" To be continued... What's next? DA2? Hmm...one more post for this PT, then Awakening and Witch Hunt since the PC romanced Morrigan. Afterwards, a Cousland PT. (This time, a Leliana romance using the LRS mod.) Then finally DA2. As is pretty obvious, DAO is my favorite of the trilogy!
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But the Aequitarians are too tolerant for my taste. I see the tries, but they over the centuries they have not achieved anything. Anders would be a Libertarian-Resolutionist? Perhaps. I don't think, he would want to join to any faction. His thought about that the mages must use their abilities in a responsible and ethical manner, regardless of Chantry law – concur with the Aequitarians' principle, but I think, this is a general description of the "good" mage: he never supported the blood magic, or abuse of the magical power and dealing with demons. (Perhaps, this is weird after the Chantry explosion, but I'm sure, that still this principle guides him. He's weird and complex. But the Aequitarians are too tolerant for my taste. I see the tries, but they over the centuries they have not achieved anything.Ermm.. yes.. that is the main flaw of this very long term plan, which I have yet to circumvent. I don't think, he would want to join to any faction.I believe his experience of being taken away from the free world into the Circle was too traumatic. This is why he would over-compensate and retaliate against any form of the mildest restrictions even those which are harmless. This is why being a Warden is also a huge burden to him. He can't invest into any group because of this lash back. All groups will have some sort of regulations and he can't take it. this is a general description of the "good" mage: he never supported the blood magic, or abuse of the magical power and dealing with demonsThus my stance on not handing him over to the Templars in the Awakening as he follows this criteria. When I claim he's innocent, I mean that I do not believe the accusations against him that he's a murderer at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 20:48:09 GMT
//rolls back on topic
DA2 not being the kindest today either. Hawke loses another family member. I've also encountered my favourite scene up to date.
Hawke is grieving for her mother.
Then Fenris comes.
Hawke: ...say something Fenris: I don't believe at moments like these words are necessary...
I'm glad I didn't abandon a relationship with him and went friendship path.
This scene is like Fenris... so quiet and reflective and deep. It completely envelops you.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 22, 2017 20:52:30 GMT
But the Aequitarians are too tolerant for my taste. I see the tries, but they over the centuries they have not achieved anything.
Anders would be a Libertarian-Resolutionist? Perhaps. I don't think, he would want to join to any faction. His thought about that the mages must use their abilities in a responsible and ethical manner, regardless of Chantry law – concur with the Aequitarians' principle, but I think, this is a general description of the "good" mage: he never supported the blood magic, or abuse of the magical power and dealing with demons. (Perhaps, this is weird after the Chantry explosion, but I'm sure, that still this principle guides him. He's weird and complex. But the Aequitarians are too tolerant for my taste. I see the tries, but they over the centuries they have not achieved anything.Ermm.. yes.. that is the main flaw of this very long term plan, which I have yet to circumvent. I don't think, he would want to join to any faction.I believe his experience of being taken away from the free world into the Circle was too traumatic. This is why he would over-compensate and retaliate against any form of the mildest restrictions even those which are harmless. This is why being a Warden is also a huge burden to him. He can't invest into any group because of this lash back. All groups will have some sort of regulations and he can't take it. this is a general description of the "good" mage: he never supported the blood magic, or abuse of the magical power and dealing with demonsThus my stance on not handing him over to the Templars in the Awakening as he follows this criteria. When I claim he's innocent, I mean that I do not believe the accusations against him that he's a murderer at that point. (Revolutionary!... There are the borders blurred between the hero and the murderer, just as the justice and vengeance.) Exactly so. This is why he doesn't like to be Warden too (and he hates the Deep Roads...)
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Post by cmoe on Sept 22, 2017 20:54:47 GMT
Hmm...one more post for this PT, then Awakening and Witch Hunt since the PC romanced Morrigan. Afterwards, a Cousland PT. (This time, a Leliana romance using the LRS mod.) Then finally DA2. As is pretty obvious, DAO is my favorite of the trilogy! I can't say I blame you. It is my favorite as well. Probably top of the list for favorite RPG. I do find I miss having a voiced protag though i like how flexible it is to RP the character you want.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 22, 2017 21:04:59 GMT
//rolls back on topic DA2 not being the kindest today either. Hawke loses another family member. I've also encountered my favourite scene up to date. Hawke is grieving for her mother. Then Fenris comes. Hawke: ...say something Fenris: I don't believe at moments like these words are necessary... I'm glad I didn't abandon a relationship with him and went friendship path. This scene is like Fenris... so quiet and reflective and deep. It completely envelops you. Fenris' just great! His romance one of the best in the whole series! The patience worth it.
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