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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 2, 2017 21:17:01 GMT
Back to DAO where we last saw our Cousland.. hmm. don't remember.. too many PT's going on at once.. Well anyway.. now he is in the Brecilian forest hunting down some Witherfang character.. Werewolves keep attacking and all he is trying to do is have a chat with them. I uh, was told to come here... geez, touchy bunch. err, sorry about that.. Alright I get it, you don't like me So how you doing? (would have romanced!) That could have gone a lot worse... Werewolves are human again.. everyone lived (mostly).. and now the Dalish will help fight against the blight.. Yup was supposed to side with werewolves and defeat the elves. I've pretty much given up on an evil PT at this point.
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2017 21:19:07 GMT
cmoedid you know that you could side elves, kill the Werewolves, and then still kill Zathrien? I found it pretty poetic that both sides of the curse coin still died.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:54:51 GMT
phoray Really? And the elves still ally with you after? How did you explain it to them? Fair enough that Cullen wouldn't want a gf on crack. He is reserved about the quest though before you even do it. Like how does he know I wouldn't pick reaver or champion. I think if you're dating Cass or Cullen, they should break up with you for picking Temp as they're strongly against Lyrium. Meh on Templar getting ruined even if it's more realistic. This was my favourite spec to pick in DAO. Then again, Cass is a Seeker, not Templar, which means same skills without Lyrium. How come our Inky isn't awesome enough to be a Seeker instead of Templar. I still find it interesting that Alistair was doing Templar skills without Lyrium even if it wasn't a part of DAO. cmoe I've managed to kill the elves once and felt like such a stinker after that. After all my pain, the WW were completely useless. Only 11 showed up for AD and they sucked in a fight. If you're doing evil and pragmatic at least try to kill WW.
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Day 32: Noob Inquisitor Log
- Whelp... congratulations... the Grand Ghoul has annihilated our home and after stumbling waist deep in the snow I've finally reached those who managed to not get scattered by lunatics. - Joined a sing along 'Oh give me a home where the druffalos roam and skies aren't demony all daaaiiiyyy!' until Grumpy Elf plugged his ears and yelled that he knows a place where we could stay. - Everyone got cheered up by moving into a new Castle and demanded a world leader. Why do they all want me to save them when I can't even remember Andraste's first name? Decided against telling them that we're all doomed in case they'd choose to execute me for not being useful. I guess we're all back to starting from zero.
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2017 23:10:02 GMT
phoray Really? And the elves still ally with you after? How did you explain it to them? Fair enough that Cullen wouldn't want a gf on crack. He is reserved about the quest though before you even do it. Like how does he know I wouldn't pick reaver or champion. I think if you're dating Cass or Cullen, they should break up with you for picking Temp as they're strongly against Lyrium. Meh on Templar getting ruined even if it's more realistic. This was my favourite spec to pick in DAO. Then again, Cass is a Seeker, not Templar, which means same skills without Lyrium. How come our Inky isn't awesome enough to be a Seeker instead of Templar. I still find it interesting that Alistair was doing Templar skills without Lyrium even if it wasn't a part of DAO. cmoe I've managed to kill the elves once and felt like such a stinker after that. After all my pain, the WW were completely useless. Only 11 showed up for AD and they sucked in a fight. If you're doing evil and pragmatic at least try to kill WW. I think when you tell Lanaya that Zathrien is dead, she opts not to ask how. She goes "lalalala" and sticks fingers in her ears. Seekers are made from young children devoted to the Maker essentially being locked in a room and-- oh wait. that might be a spoiler. But there is good reason not just anyone is a seeker. And Alistair not using Lyrium was retconned by DG.
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Post by cmoe on Oct 2, 2017 23:29:58 GMT
Day 32: Noob Inquisitor Log - Whelp... congratulations... the Grand Ghoul has annihilated our home and after stumbling waist deep in the snow I've finally reached those who managed to not get scattered by lunatics. - Joined a sing along 'Oh give me a home where the druffalos roam and skies aren't demony all daaaiiiyyy!' until Grumpy Elf plugged his ears and yelled that he knows a place where we could stay. - Everyone got cheered up by moving into a new Castle and demanded a world leader. Why do they all want me to save them when I can't even remember Andraste's first name? Decided against telling them that we're all doomed in case they'd choose to execute me for not being useful. I guess we're all back to starting from zero. Approval meter: 0 neutral What?? 0 neutral? Finally.... time to have a Skyhold party I think!
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2017 23:39:12 GMT
Day 32: Noob Inquisitor Log A pproval meter: 0 neutral I guess what I'm saying is, I feel a castle was involved in your score. PErhaps a inspiring musical melody as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 23:44:00 GMT
phoray Really? And the elves still ally with you after? How did you explain it to them? Fair enough that Cullen wouldn't want a gf on crack. He is reserved about the quest though before you even do it. Like how does he know I wouldn't pick reaver or champion. I think if you're dating Cass or Cullen, they should break up with you for picking Temp as they're strongly against Lyrium. Meh on Templar getting ruined even if it's more realistic. This was my favourite spec to pick in DAO. Then again, Cass is a Seeker, not Templar, which means same skills without Lyrium. How come our Inky isn't awesome enough to be a Seeker instead of Templar. I still find it interesting that Alistair was doing Templar skills without Lyrium even if it wasn't a part of DAO. cmoe I've managed to kill the elves once and felt like such a stinker after that. After all my pain, the WW were completely useless. Only 11 showed up for AD and they sucked in a fight. If you're doing evil and pragmatic at least try to kill WW. I think when you tell Lanaya that Zathrien is dead, she opts not to ask how. She goes "lalalala" and sticks fingers in her ears. Seekers are made from young children devoted to the Maker essentially being locked in a room and-- oh wait. that might be a spoiler. But there is good reason not just anyone is a seeker. And Alistair not using Lyrium was retconned by DG. Wait.... retconned means they changed their mind and said that he DID use it??? What about that piece of history that they're not even introduced to Lyrium until they're initiated? Plus Alistair saying that he wants to stay away from it and his intense anger for any abuse of that addictive shehit. How does the pre-templar training even go then until 18? They said no lyrium, but they still undergo training that teaches them special abilities? How?
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Post by phoray on Oct 2, 2017 23:53:07 GMT
And Alistair not using Lyrium was retconned by DG. Wait.... retconned means they changed their mind and said that he DID use it??? What about that piece of history that they're not even introduced to Lyrium until they're initiated? Plus Alistair saying that he wants to stay away from it and his intense anger for any abuse of that addictive shehit. How does the pre-templar training even go then until 18? They said no lyrium, but they still undergo training that teaches them special abilities? How? Mmmm. One can't use Templar abilities without Lyrium or being a Seeker. Alistair uses Templar abilities in the Comic Book and says he "started taking lyrium again." here's a reddit thread about it abit Alistair lyrium
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 0:01:29 GMT
Day 32: Noob Inquisitor Log A pproval meter: 0 neutral I guess what I'm saying is, I feel a castle was involved in your score. PErhaps a inspiring musical melody as well. :lmfao: I'm sticking with this as an official explanation for my scoring. In truth, so far this was the most intense and dynamic section of the game. I enjoyed both the surprise and urgency and all that action that followed. I didn't see this plot twist coming. As I tend to see these things miles in advance it's something that I particularly enjoy. Plus, a sassy new mage recruitment. Yes to that all the way. It's so real too that baddies would show up and ruin your progress. In 95% of the games, it's always only an up curve. Like this evil guy sits on his arse and waits while this army of do-gooders is amassing right under his nose. In this case, he shows up to screw your hand off before you're ready. That was interesting and after you get away you still feel like such a noob and need to find motivation to believe you can take that guy anyway.
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 0:15:15 GMT
I guess what I'm saying is, I feel a castle was involved in your score. PErhaps a inspiring musical melody as well. :lmfao: I'm sticking with this as an official explanation for my scoring. In truth, so far this was the most intense and dynamic section of the game. I enjoyed both the surprise and urgency and all that action that followed. I didn't see this plot twist coming. As I tend to see these things miles in advance it's something that I particularly enjoy. Plus, a sassy new mage recruitment. Yes to that all the way. It's so real too that baddies would show up and ruin your progress. In 95% of the games, it's always only an up curve. Like this evil guy sits on his arse and waits while this army of do-gooders is amassing right under his nose. In this case, he shows up to screw your hand off before you're ready. That was interesting and after you get away you still feel like such a noob and need to find motivation to believe you can take that guy anyway. Spoiler-not-spoiler that's pretty much what happens the rest of the game. :/ Although one could argue he's too busy doing a bunch of other crap, it does seem like he spends all his lackies on you until the final bang.
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Wait.... retconned means they changed their mind and said that he DID use it??? What about that piece of history that they're not even introduced to Lyrium until they're initiated? Plus Alistair saying that he wants to stay away from it and his intense anger for any abuse of that addictive shehit. How does the pre-templar training even go then until 18? They said no lyrium, but they still undergo training that teaches them special abilities? How? Mmmm. One can't use Templar abilities without Lyrium or being a Seeker. Alistair uses Templar abilities in the Comic Book and says he "started taking lyrium again." here's a reddit thread about it abit Alistair lyriumThey can take their retcon and stuff it up their Andraste's knicker weasels along with putrid rabbits. Alistair on Lyrium is plain wrong. I reject the later modifications just because my entire DAO game Alistair was rejecting any lyrium at a sword point and threw angry fits whenever Warden even said lyrium or dealt with the lyrium smuggling. It was my understanding from the initial DAO lore, which I picked up pieces of through the game, that Lyrium enhances Templar abilities rather than allows them to be, but it seemed possible to use those abilities less efficiently. That fits with the training. Before initiation the Templars are taught all that mental discipline and how to channel it and only introduced to lyrium after. This also proves the point about the Chantry applying lyrium purely for control over Templars. The fact that Templars would choose to continuously use it is due it being addictive and through their devotion. If they're pursuing a dangerous enough malifecarum, they'd use that power boost out of a sense of obligation. I don't see why they had to backpedal and change it so you can't use the ability at all without lyrium. This is BS. And I abhor the idea of Alistair using lyrium. He said he never used it because Duncan recruited him before his initiation. wtf You don't just throw that into garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 0:27:28 GMT
:lmfao: I'm sticking with this as an official explanation for my scoring. In truth, so far this was the most intense and dynamic section of the game. I enjoyed both the surprise and urgency and all that action that followed. I didn't see this plot twist coming. As I tend to see these things miles in advance it's something that I particularly enjoy. Plus, a sassy new mage recruitment. Yes to that all the way. It's so real too that baddies would show up and ruin your progress. In 95% of the games, it's always only an up curve. Like this evil guy sits on his arse and waits while this army of do-gooders is amassing right under his nose. In this case, he shows up to screw your hand off before you're ready. That was interesting and after you get away you still feel like such a noob and need to find motivation to believe you can take that guy anyway. Spoiler-not-spoiler that's pretty much what happens the rest of the game. :/ Although one could argue he's too busy doing a bunch of other crap, it does seem like he spends all his lackies on you until the final bang. Well... we did kill his army with an avalanche. And you do need a much bigger army to assault a castle. Plus like you've mentioned when you wanna take over the world you make lots of enemies, (Celene much to take care of?) not just Inq. I'm under impression that like the Inq, Cory is building an army rather than him having one on standby because he's after the same artifacts and areas of influence you are. So it makes more sense. It's not like the bad guy has an army and you don't and he doesn't come to squish you while you're still weak.
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 0:36:56 GMT
adonnielIf you take Templar Spec, Cass and Cullen will explicityly mention your use of the lyrium. Do with that what you will. I just find it supremely useful to have dispel as I play the one and only Warrior PT I will ever play. You sided Templars right? Depending on which side you side, the other side immediately becomes part of the group attacking haven. you only destroy that part of his army...bum bum bummm. I'm really enjoying living precariously through your PT.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 3, 2017 0:36:56 GMT
Mmmm. One can't use Templar abilities without Lyrium or being a Seeker. Alistair uses Templar abilities in the Comic Book and says he "started taking lyrium again." here's a reddit thread about it abit Alistair lyriumThey can take their retcon and stuff it up their Andraste's knicker weasels along with putrid rabbits. Alistair on Lyrium is plain wrong. I reject the later modifications just because my entire DAO game Alistair was rejecting any lyrium at a sword point and threw angry fits whenever Warden even said lyrium or dealt with the lyrium smuggling. It was my understanding from the initial DAO lore, which I picked up pieces of through the game, that Lyrium enhances Templar abilities rather than allows them to be, but it seemed possible to use those abilities less efficiently. That fits with the training. Before initiation the Templars are taught all that mental discipline and how to channel it and only introduced to lyrium after. This also proves the point about the Chantry applying lyrium purely for control over Templars. The fact that Templars would choose to continuously use it is due it being addictive and through their devotion. If they're pursuing a dangerous enough malifecarum, they'd use that power boost out of a sense of obligation. I don't see why they had to backpedal and change it so you can't use the ability at all without lyrium. This is BS. And I abhor the idea of Alistair using lyrium. He said he never used it because Duncan recruited him before his initiation. wtf You don't just throw that into garbage. So, sometimes the Chantry seems really evil. This purge and the war really needed. The death of the Divine just served the greater good. Shame how many people needed to die for it. And perhaps, Justinia was benevolent, still belated with her slow, cautious reforms. The Chantry did zombies from the mages, and miserable drooling human wreck from the Templars, who once were promising young people. This is why Vivienne the worst choice: she would keep her own Templars on short strong lyrium lash...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 1:00:00 GMT
adonniel If you take Templar Spec, Cass and Cullen will explicityly mention your use of the lyrium. Do with that what you will. I just find it supremely useful to have dispel as I play the one and only Warrior PT I will ever play. You sided Templars right? Depending on which side you side, the other side immediately becomes part of the group attacking haven. you only destroy that part of his army...bum bum bummm. I'm really enjoying living precariously through your PT. It sounds like our Inq gets no repercussions for using it. However, I had the misfortune of watching a part of the epilogue on youtube ( ) from someone who forced Cullen into using lyrium and it's not something I ever want to see again. Since I was never going to do it, I was curious enough to check the source and it's most disturbing. I wish I didn't. Those dispels are a win - well were useful in DAO in any case. Thus, my grave displeasure that my Inq would be forced into lyrium use for it. However, it's relatively fine by me if they want to push another character or even my Inq into using lyrium. But, I don't like previous characters messed with when rejecting lyrium was a large aspect of their personality. I really didn't see the need for a change in lore where lyrium was a powerful tool for Templars, but with a choice to reject it rather than it being absolutely necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 1:05:41 GMT
adonniel If you take Templar Spec, Cass and Cullen will explicityly mention your use of the lyrium. Do with that what you will. I just find it supremely useful to have dispel as I play the one and only Warrior PT I will ever play. You sided Templars right? Depending on which side you side, the other side immediately becomes part of the group attacking haven. you only destroy that part of his army...bum bum bummm. I'm really enjoying living precariously through your PT. haha Being a Noob is precarious in its essence. Enjoy it while it lasts because you only get to do it once. I've sided with the Templars. While I'm not entirely choosing to rub myself against the fur, I'm considering mixed choices that don't always agree with my conscience. For example, while my conscience preferred Templars as allies, I've disbanded them (which made Cullen yell at me). I just know that no matter how hard I'll try, I'll mess up 1st play through anyway. The fact that Barris died says so. Well... at least Fletcher didn't die... it seems I'm not that hopeless... *sad sigh*
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 1:10:49 GMT
adonniel I'm really enjoying living precariously through your PT. haha Being a Noob is precarious in its essence. Enjoy it while it lasts because you only get to do it once. I've sided with the Templars. While I'm not entirely choosing to rub myself against the fur, I'm considering mixed choices that don't always agree with my conscience. For example, while my conscience preferred Templars as allies, I've disbanded them (which made Cullen yell at me). I just know that no matter how hard I'll try, I'll mess up 1st play through anyway. The fact that Barris died says so. Well... at least Fletcher didn't die... it seems I'm not that hopeless... *sad sigh* I know, I do Text Based LEt's Plays every time I try a new Choice Heavy RPG. You get yelled at for your choice by either Cullen or Leliana depending on what you choose. I think the only choice they don't yell at you for is conscripting the mages? maybe? Jose is a sweetie, she just makes the best of it no matter which direction you go. That's too bad Ser Barris died. He's pretty much the only thing that makes allying Templars different.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 1:20:47 GMT
haha Being a Noob is precarious in its essence. Enjoy it while it lasts because you only get to do it once. I've sided with the Templars. While I'm not entirely choosing to rub myself against the fur, I'm considering mixed choices that don't always agree with my conscience. For example, while my conscience preferred Templars as allies, I've disbanded them (which made Cullen yell at me). I just know that no matter how hard I'll try, I'll mess up 1st play through anyway. The fact that Barris died says so. Well... at least Fletcher didn't die... it seems I'm not that hopeless... *sad sigh* I know, I do Text Based LEt's Plays every time I try a new Choice Heavy RPG. You get yelled at for your choice by either Cullen or Leliana depending on what you choose. I think the only choice they don't yell at you for is conscripting the mages? maybe? Jose is a sweetie, she just makes the best of it no matter which direction you go. That's too bad Ser Barris died. He's pretty much the only thing that makes allying Templars different. That's part of the reason I disbanded them. When I met Barris, I figured he'd make a good leader. But, since he died they all seemed like leaderless bunch of Moos that could go wrong at the snap of the fingers. But, still, my preference was allying them. I tried an alternative with high hopes of doing better in the future game where Barris won't die and than I'll ally them with a solid leader. For obvious reasons Cullen yelling at me is far more important than Leli. Actually, with the second I don't care much. I keep trying to come up with a character for one of the future games who will romance Jose because she's great.
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Post by melbella on Oct 3, 2017 1:20:58 GMT
adonniel If you take Templar Spec, Cass and Cullen will explicityly mention your use of the lyrium. Do with that what you will. I just find it supremely useful to have dispel as I play the one and only Warrior PT I will ever play. You sided Templars right? Depending on which side you side, the other side immediately becomes part of the group attacking haven. you only destroy that part of his army...bum bum bummm. I'm really enjoying living precariously through your PT. haha Being a Noob is precarious in its essence. Enjoy it while it lasts because you only get to do it once. I've sided with the Templars. While I'm not entirely choosing to rub myself against the fur, I'm considering mixed choices that don't always agree with my conscience. For example, while my conscience preferred Templars as allies, I've disbanded them (which made Cullen yell at me). I just know that no matter how hard I'll try, I'll mess up 1st play through anyway. The fact that Barris died says so. Well... at least Fletcher didn't die... it seems I'm not that hopeless... *sad sigh*
He must only get that mad if Barris dies. I remember being quite surprised when I disbanded the Templars that everyone seemed more ok with it than when I had allied with them in a previous game.
As for my first game, I was surprised the closing the breach scene happened so soon and thought I was already at the end of the game. Then I got to Skyhold and the real game began.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 1:47:38 GMT
haha Being a Noob is precarious in its essence. Enjoy it while it lasts because you only get to do it once. I've sided with the Templars. While I'm not entirely choosing to rub myself against the fur, I'm considering mixed choices that don't always agree with my conscience. For example, while my conscience preferred Templars as allies, I've disbanded them (which made Cullen yell at me). I just know that no matter how hard I'll try, I'll mess up 1st play through anyway. The fact that Barris died says so. Well... at least Fletcher didn't die... it seems I'm not that hopeless... *sad sigh*
He must only get that mad if Barris dies. I remember being quite surprised when I disbanded the Templars that everyone seemed more ok with it than when I had allied with them in a previous game.
As for my first game, I was surprised the closing the breach scene happened so soon and thought I was already at the end of the game. Then I got to Skyhold and the real game began.
I believe I've heard a rumour that they've met prior to Inquisition and Barris was trained by Cullen. This is vague because personally I have not encountered evidence of it in game, but it would explain why Cullen is so upset since it was his student who dies. Same here. The game doesn't give you long to figure it out. The second I think 'Wow! Now what? Do we get drunk like Varric wanted?' the second the skies tear bloody and those nice gentlemen on flaming horses with skulls pop up to flatten us out. Skyhold certainly makes Haven feel like a prelude.
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Post by phoray on Oct 3, 2017 2:00:18 GMT
Same here. The game doesn't give you long to figure it out. The second I think 'Wow! Now what? Do we get drunk like Varric wanted?' the second the skies tear bloody and those nice gentlemen on flaming horses with skulls pop up to flatten us out. Skyhold certainly makes Haven feel like a prelude. Now that I'm working on my 5th play though, I honestly like the Haven portion of the game the best. It's almost relaxed, in a way. You're earning your keep, gathering allies, with no BIG BAD other than the giant tear in the sky to worry you. The second Skyhold hits is the moment you know there is an intelligent force (s) behind it all and you should be racing against the clock (even though you don't have to bother racing, you can take your time.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 2:10:43 GMT
Same here. The game doesn't give you long to figure it out. The second I think 'Wow! Now what? Do we get drunk like Varric wanted?' the second the skies tear bloody and those nice gentlemen on flaming horses with skulls pop up to flatten us out. Skyhold certainly makes Haven feel like a prelude. Now that I'm working on my 5th play though, I honestly like the Haven portion of the game the best. It's almost relaxed, in a way. You're earning your keep, gathering allies, with no BIG BAD other than the giant tear in the sky to worry you. The second Skyhold hits is the moment you know there is an intelligent force (s) behind it all and you should be racing against the clock (even though you don't have to bother racing, you can take your time.) The Haven doesn't have the same urgency because it provides an illusion that the worst of it has already happened and you can focus on healing. Whereas Skyhold is where you realize that the worst of it is still to come. Haven is post-big explosion. Skyhold is building up towards an explosion and it's making my skin crawl. p.s. Yeah... pretty much... When your main adversary is a big hole in the sky, it isn't exactly as personal as a guy who can pick these holes open along with his ruling vendetta of making you very dead.
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Post by cmoe on Oct 3, 2017 2:48:24 GMT
adonniel If you take Templar Spec, Cass and Cullen will explicityly mention your use of the lyrium. Do with that what you will. I just find it supremely useful to have dispel as I play the one and only Warrior PT I will ever play. You sided Templars right? Depending on which side you side, the other side immediately becomes part of the group attacking haven. you only destroy that part of his army...bum bum bummm. I'm really enjoying living precariously through your PT. haha Being a Noob is precarious in its essence. Enjoy it while it lasts because you only get to do it once. I've sided with the Templars. While I'm not entirely choosing to rub myself against the fur, I'm considering mixed choices that don't always agree with my conscience. For example, while my conscience preferred Templars as allies, I've disbanded them (which made Cullen yell at me). I just know that no matter how hard I'll try, I'll mess up 1st play through anyway. The fact that Barris died says so. Well... at least Fletcher didn't die... it seems I'm not that hopeless... *sad sigh* I would love to be a noob and experience DA for the first time again... Not getting to recruit Barris is the only thing that made me sad about allying with the mages as a canon choice. I really liked him.
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