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Post by phoray on Oct 12, 2016 21:23:27 GMT
Interesting! One minor spoiler question: In previous elf rogue PTs where my PC made the US, King Alistair commits to a homeland for the Dalish or improving the lot of alienage elves. In your Surana's case, does he do that? What of the mages? I can't help but think he would hold a grudge... Agreed on Cauthrien. Nothing personal involved, but when I ran into that vengeful knight in Denerim, I was able to persuade him out of a fight. Diplomacy can prevent unnecessary bloodshed but you gather less loot...always a trade-off. Oh, how did things work out between your Surana and Morrigan? The neat thing about this game is that if you listen carefully to the lines of NPCs (and maybe read between the lines a bit), you can logically argue almost any course of action for almost any PC, however defined. Two things I have never done so far in Origins: desecrate the Sacred Ashes and side with Branka. Logically (by my logic anyhow), I can see doing the latter, but hearing Branka's betrayal of her house by Hespith is a hard one to ignore. Also, no deals with demons yet... Reply: In my PT, because Alistair only begrudgingly and angrily married Anora, I did not see their Mutual Coronation scene. Where Alistair tries to hold Anora's hand and she slaps it away. He's just in a fume and silent, and stands around for all of it. It's almost as if Anora is ruling solo except that Alistair is referred to as King by himself and others. So, ANORA offers the usual Mage Boon: Independence for the Circle.
Two reasons I didn't pick this:
1. Surana didn't like the Circle and not because the mages their lacked freedom. Since day one, she wanted out of the Circle. She studied--so she could leave the Circle as one of her rights like Wynne does. Then she gets conscripted- intentionally to break away from the Circle. Then the whole play through, I have her fantasizing about what she'd going to do when the Blight is over. Return to the Dalish? That got scratched. Then Zevran, Leliana, and Sten talked about all these other countries. When she isn't stressed out about possibly dying, she dreams of traveling. So, no, the one boon from the Queen will not being throwing a bone to a place she still doesn't feel anything towards except avoidance.
2. None of the cool boons (land for the Dalish, Circle Independence, more rights in the Alienage to name a few of them) are ever referred to again in other games. Some of "boons" just all out fail even WITHIN Origins the game. For example, my first PT, Shianna was made like... a bann of the Alienage or something. There were riots and death. I think the Dalish lands are encroached upon no matter what and there can be a lot of death there too. you know, bad in a whole new way. So, even in game, you feel like a fail. Then you go on to DA2 and DAI and these boons are swept under the rug like they didn't happen. These boons are either not respected, forgotten, or, worse, they totally failed and went back to the same ol same ol before the final End Game Slide even leaves your screen.
So, my Surana chose the land and riches, and Loghain's holdings were transferred to her. Which is great. After a bit of a vacation, she'll be a completely independent woman with a monthly stipend to support her travels with Zevran on. This is the freedom she's been waiting for; she doesn't have to rely on anyone, even Zevran, to put food in her mouth or a roof over her head.
There were technically 6 options, but 3 of them were a different version of "I don't want anything". One was Circle Independence, the 2nd was Loghain's Holdings and money, and the 3rd was lands for the Grey Wardens (which Anora grants in her speech no matter what, so yeah.. the 3rd option is another version of I don't want anything.")
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Oct 12, 2016 21:47:31 GMT
From the diary of Elena Lavellan "Halamshiral is impressive. Designed to show off and intimidate no doubt. Just looked like a place easy to infiltrate, which it was by both us and Gaspard's men. There were some crazy outfits there, even our finery looked drab in comparison, but at least we had Cassandra of the many names along to make up for it. I've started to call her Portia just to be annoying. She scowls beautifully when I do it. Must get the rest of the gang to use her other names as well. Not sure how that whole statuette lock thing works, they're obviously meant to be reused and can be for any of the special doors, but I still had difficulty opening some doors. Vivienne tried to explain it using words like 'symbology' and 'linkages', but there's a trick I'm missing which could be useful. Met Morrigan, who had a great dress, even if it would be rubbish for quick action. Leliana distrusts her, they have history, but she seems too useful to leave out in the cold. Maybe I'll give her one of the rooms where we haven't fixed all the holes in the wall yet. Good job we packed all our armour and weapons in that trunk. Came as a big surprise when we turned up to the 'ambush' in full gear. I thought Florianne was supposed to be good at this 'Game', but she telegraphed that and paid the price. Shame I couldn't get Celene and Briala to reconcile. I left that locket with the armour, I bet that could have melted their wicked hearts. Still, Orlais is more stable and we have a major ally for the march on Adamant. Bit worried that I've made her too strong though, they might try and take us over afterwards. After we've defeated the immortal darkspawn magister and his blighted dragon and found out where that Orb comes from. Yeah, after that."
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 1:07:25 GMT
So, hardened Alistair went to marry Anora safe and sound from the battle field. My Surana was very sad about it even if she didn't regret it. So, it had nothing to do with thinking Loghain wasn't worth killing, or even specifically that he would be useful. It was about keeping Alistair safe. (and also the swift conversation getting away from her.) It made Surana feel a lot better that King Alistair at the Saved the World Party had stopped being angry, even if their was a pretty hefty wound turning scar on their relationship. I guess Loghain doing the ultimate sacrifice satisfied his blood thirsty ness This is almost the same as Diana's game, except she did the US so Alistair never got to say he was sorry for being such a bast...um, baby. I really had fun antagonizing him - he mentioned several times that Diana just wasn't very nice. But, she saved him and everyone else, so nice didn't really matter. Two things I have never done so far in Origins: desecrate the Sacred Ashes and side with Branka. Logically (by my logic anyhow), I can see doing the latter, but hearing Branka's betrayal of her house by Hespith is a hard one to ignore. Also, no deals with demons yet... My Mahariel who romanced Morrigan defiled the ashes (for the achievement) and he may have also been the one I used to side with Branka. I don't remember, actually. But, you can side with Branka over Caridin, then convince her that she's a lost cause so she will kill herself same way Caridin does. You still get the achievement for siding with her. I didn't take Shale with me that time, so I didn't have to kill her too. She's not happy about what happened, but she still remembers where Cadash Thaig is so you can do her quest if you want.
Don't think I've done any demon deals either. I'm still not quite sure how I unlocked the Blood Mage spec - do you get that from Warden's Keep if you drink the potion? That's the only way I could have unlocked it, I think.
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Post by Crim on Oct 13, 2016 1:46:00 GMT
Jeez maybe it's because I haven't played it in so long, Awakenings is taking me some time to finish. Recruited Sigrun and Velanna today, bumped into the Architect, cleared out some pesky Broodmothers also. Had to putdown a peasant revolt, hired a PI to investigate a plot against my warden, resolved and killed those involved, got the wall at the Keep fixed. Have to sort out Oghren's family mess later, recruit Justice and other things as well... I love my warden but man I just want to get on with DA2 now.
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Post by phoray on Oct 13, 2016 1:51:26 GMT
deadlydwarf I'm still a wuss and gave them all presents to get them in the 90s. BUT...there were some distinct differences that I found neat. But I got to explain my other experiences for a frame of reference. Morrigan Exp: First game, I was super agreeable, let's be friends, of course I'll do that for you and here's a bunch of presents. Morrigan never went any where with me after redcliffe/wynne joined the group, so no loss of points for being a hero. and I was like oh nu! body stealing! I'll save you! and ran off to Flemeth---who then severely mind fucked me into not trusting Morrigan anymore. Also, I was totally worried I'd die because like... Man, did Flemeth feel like a GOD to me the whole 3 games. So, I wussed out and agreed to lie that I'd killed her, then felt guilty the whole rest of the game every time I talked to Morrigan. Morrigan, who blossomed and called me sister and man, there was some serious sister love there. We reciprocated that whole love. Then end game, when she's trying to get me to do the Dark Ritual, she brings up my love for Alistair and she even says she doesn't want the Warden to die either. Like, with a sad face and everything. She's trying to save my Warden and she sincerely doesn't want her to die.
2nd game, I was maximizing, and followed guides for near every conversation. And here's a bunch of presents. Still didn't come with me after Wynne joined the group. Played the hero-ish. Killed Flemeth to fix that guilty feeling from last time. Major Sister love accomplished, same sad face Dark Ritual speech. (except, awesome, she brings up BOTH Zevran and Alistair. Awesome blossom.) *fist bump*
So, here I am with Surana. I'm RPing her hard and although at first Surana has some sympathy and a feeling of comradeship with Morrigan, and takes her everywhere even over Wynne (SO MUCH ELF ROOT) I'm still buying people all the gifts. But the more she argues with what Surana is doing and the more we talk in camp...and this time I'm not following guides, I'm just RPing...the more nasty she just seems to be. Then we get into a big argument over the Grimoire, she threatens to leave if I don't stupidly risk my life in the middle of a blight for her? I finally agree. So, then I go to Flemeth planning in no way to attack the woman. My Surana hopes to get to the bottom of the thing and reason with Flemeth. And look at that, first dialogue tree has, "I just came to talk." bam. Flemeth insinuates that Morrigan isn't trust worthy, I kind of agree. I exhaust all questions before I agree to lie to Morrigan.
Fast forward; Morrigan is giving me the whole "oh my gosh, you might be my first friend evar speech." As a liar that doesn't trust her, I'm not feeling it. Then she asks if I need any sort of payment, and I joke that maybe she should be nicer. She laughs, we seem to part amicably. Her bar is max or almost max. She never agrees to teach me shape changing <- a sign we're not true friends? Then she comes to my room to offer the Dark Ritual. I'm kinda saying no right off the bat. She says surely I don't want Loghain to die and take all the glory? and I'm like @_@ do you know me at all, Morrigan? Glory has never been my thing? And when that doesn't work, she brings up Zevran. What would he think? My heart twists... and amazingly, the line, "You're a cruel woman, Morrigan." is a dialogue choice. But in the end, I don't trust Morrigan to actually do what she says she will. I tell her no. She calls me a fool and goes dog. So I'm like huh...apparently it's dialogue choices and not Max approval that determine Morrigan's affection for you, because not once did she say, "I don't want you to do. I want to save you." Like the other two times.
I could side with keeping the Anvil, but Branka? nah. I'd have to do what MElbella said and have Branka kill herself. Branka is nutters. how do we crown a kind with two dead paragons though? Putting dragon blood in magic ashes ... I mean the whole thing is stupid. Even if my Warden is Non chantry, they wouldn't turn around and trust this crazy CULT LEADER who worships a dragon because they think it's Andraste. I just can't cannon a Warden who's like, "You know what? I want to make deals with this guy." Even if you intended to betray him later, how is it truly in your benefit of the whole darn chase across Fereldan and up a mountain to find some AShes to heal Arl Eamon... to then drop it for some gold. Although I guess you can take ashes first, defile second, but still. I have killed Kolgrim three times, but the third time was purely, this dude is NUTS. Surana made lots of deals with demons. AS a mage, Surana was pro freedom and that included spirits. And any person weak enough to succumb to a demon? Survival of the fittest. She'd not going to go kill all the lions to save the gazelles. Surana intimidated the demon out of Connor. She was in Surana's way.
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 2:02:59 GMT
Branka forges the crown, just like Caridin does, then offs herself.
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Post by phoray on Oct 13, 2016 2:39:05 GMT
I just realized that my Surana,who was quite fond of Sten, offered to go to Seheron? With him but then changed her mind because Zevran. But I just realized that a MAGE going where the Qun rules would have been a very very bad idea. All Sten said, "are you sure?it's a long way.." he didn't even warn me!
I still have all the Origins DLCs to do but I was already thinking about DA2. Realized that I wanted to play DA2 with mods. Which means PC. But I just played Origins on my PS3. And a Mage Surana who romanced Zevran, Anora and Alistair ruling jointly, with Loghain making the ultimate sacrifice is NOT a pre built history option for DA2. I waqs even going to get the mod that fixed Zev so he wouldn't jump Isabella and he'd be all monogamous with my Surana.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 13, 2016 2:49:06 GMT
I still have all the Origins DLCs to do but I was already thinking about DA2. Realized that I wanted to play DA2 with mods. Which means PC. But I just played Origins on my PS3. And a Mage Surana who romanced Zevran, Anora and Alistair ruling jointly, with Loghain making the ultimate sacrifice is NOT a pre built history option for DA2. I waqs even going to get the mod that fixed Zev so he wouldn't jump Isabella and he'd be all monogamous with my Surana. This was linked to me in the Fenris thread: www.nexusmods.com/dragonage2/mods/2251/?I used this when I got sick of my jerk Warden playthrough and just wanted to get on with DA2. I set all the flags I wanted and so far they have worked, although I don't remember anyone referring to Amell being related to Hawke (it's possible I missed it though). I did get the Nathanial quest, though Anyway, give it a shot Just create your DAO save on your PC using the mod, then import that save into DA2.
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Post by phoray on Oct 13, 2016 2:56:03 GMT
I still have all the Origins DLCs to do but I was already thinking about DA2. Realized that I wanted to play DA2 with mods. Which means PC. But I just played Origins on my PS3. And a Mage Surana who romanced Zevran, Anora and Alistair ruling jointly, with Loghain making the ultimate sacrifice is NOT a pre built history option for DA2. I waqs even going to get the mod that fixed Zev so he wouldn't jump Isabella and he'd be all monogamous with my Surana. This was linked to me in the Fenris thread: www.nexusmods.com/dragonage2/mods/2251/?I used this when I got sick of my jerk Warden playthrough and just wanted to get on with DA2. I set all the flags I wanted and so far they have worked, although I don't remember anyone referring to Amell being related to Hawke (it's possible I missed it though). I did get the Nathanial quest, though Anyway, give it a shot Just create your DAO save on your PC using the mod, then import that save into DA2. Oh wow! Thanks! It mentions 7 and Vista,do you know if it has problems with 10?
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 13, 2016 3:22:42 GMT
This was linked to me in the Fenris thread: www.nexusmods.com/dragonage2/mods/2251/?I used this when I got sick of my jerk Warden playthrough and just wanted to get on with DA2. I set all the flags I wanted and so far they have worked, although I don't remember anyone referring to Amell being related to Hawke (it's possible I missed it though). I did get the Nathanial quest, though Anyway, give it a shot Just create your DAO save on your PC using the mod, then import that save into DA2. Oh wow! Thanks! It mentions 7 and Vista,do you know if it has problems with 10? I have Windows 10, and I didn't notice any issues.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 13, 2016 3:57:13 GMT
I just realized that my Surana,who was quite fond of Sten, offered to go to Seheron? With him but then changed her mind because Zevran. But I just realized that a MAGE going where the Qun rules would have been a very very bad idea. All Sten said, "are you sure?it's a long way.." he didn't even warn me!
I still have all the Origins DLCs to do but I was already thinking about DA2. Realized that I wanted to play DA2 with mods. Which means PC. But I just played Origins on my PS3. And a Mage Surana who romanced Zevran, Anora and Alistair ruling jointly, with Loghain making the ultimate sacrifice is NOT a pre built history option for DA2. I waqs even going to get the mod that fixed Zev so he wouldn't jump Isabella and he'd be all monogamous with my Surana. You need to get Origins for PC! There are so many great mods out there for Origins compared to the other two games. There's almost an endless number of ways to customize your Warden and the companions for that matter. Currently, I have modeled my Surana somewhat on the concept art image of the female elf mage in a black robe and I have modified Leliana to look like the Leliana in the famous "Sacred Ashes Trailer." (Now would be a fine time to post pics, but I haven't quite mastered taking the screen shots and editing them so they don't stupid.) There are mods that improve the look of the game, correct problems that BW never fixed, etc.
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 4:46:15 GMT
Finished Act 2 and now Nathan is Champion of Kirkwall. Got skewered a couple of times during the duel but didn't have to start over, and I didn't even use Dog as a butt-biter. I did use Decoy a couple of times though. Just leveled up to 20 before the fight. Not talking to the Arishok much in Act 1 meant I had to do the "prove your worth" fight first, but then he offered the challenge when Isabela came back. I brought Fenris with me just in case though.
Mostly sided with Orsino in the opening convo. Told Meredith she should step down. Yeah, that went over well.
Nathan's next stop will be to bother Seneschal Bran. Trolling him is such fun!
I wish you didn't have to side with the Templars at the end to end up as Viscount. I've only been able to do that once and I'm certainly not going to with an Anders friendmance. Boo.
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Post by BringBackNihlus on Oct 13, 2016 13:03:25 GMT
In case no one understands what I'm referencing in the title:
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Post by phoray on Oct 13, 2016 13:20:20 GMT
I still have all the Origins DLCs to do but I was already thinking about DA2. Realized that I wanted to play DA2 with mods. Which means PC. But I just played Origins on my PS3. And a Mage Surana who romanced Zevran, Anora and Alistair ruling jointly, with Loghain making the ultimate sacrifice is NOT a pre built history option for DA2. I waqs even going to get the mod that fixed Zev so he wouldn't jump Isabella and he'd be all monogamous with my Surana. You need to get Origins for PC! There are so many great mods out there for Origins compared to the other two games. There's almost an endless number of ways to customize your Warden and the companions for that matter. Currently, I have modeled my Surana somewhat on the concept art image of the female elf mage in a black robe and I have modified Leliana to look like the Leliana in the famous "Sacred Ashes Trailer." (Now would be a fine time to post pics, but I haven't quite mastered taking the screen shots and editing them so they don't stupid.) There are mods that improve the look of the game, correct problems that BW never fixed, etc. I have all three games on PC and the first two on PS3. But mouse and keyboard hurts my hands/wrists/elbows; there are no mods that make the first two games respond to a USB controller. so when I have access to PS3 controllers, which is when I'm home from my traveling, I play the game on PS3 for the ergonomics of it. Only my love of the world makes me play the first two on PC but I still try to avoid it.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 13, 2016 14:45:56 GMT
You need to get Origins for PC! There are so many great mods out there for Origins compared to the other two games. There's almost an endless number of ways to customize your Warden and the companions for that matter. Currently, I have modeled my Surana somewhat on the concept art image of the female elf mage in a black robe and I have modified Leliana to look like the Leliana in the famous "Sacred Ashes Trailer." (Now would be a fine time to post pics, but I haven't quite mastered taking the screen shots and editing them so they don't stupid.) There are mods that improve the look of the game, correct problems that BW never fixed, etc. I have all three games on PC and the first two on PS3. But mouse and keyboard hurts my hands/wrists/elbows; there are no mods that make the first two games respond to a USB controller. so when I have access to PS3 controllers, which is when I'm home from my traveling, I play the game on PS3 for the ergonomics of it. Only my love of the world makes me play the first two on PC but I still try to avoid it. Ouch! Sounds a bit like carpal tunnel....not good. That actually would be a good idea for a mod! There actually is a mod to get DAO to work with an Xbox controller, but from the comments, that isn't perfect. Unfortunate oversight on BW's part. I have a Logitech game controller which works with other games, but not DAO. Oh well...another reason for them to reboot the game from the beginning the way as was done for Tomb Raider. They could even keep most of the main NPC voice acting performances, give the PC some voices, and replace some of the more wooden secondary voice acting performances. (Mithra anyone? Or how about the wounded scout you run into in the Korcari Wilds? Even Anora performance is so-so...)
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 13, 2016 15:01:35 GMT
Finished Act 2 and now Nathan is Champion of Kirkwall. Got skewered a couple of times during the duel but didn't have to start over, and I didn't even use Dog as a butt-biter. I did use Decoy a couple of times though. Just leveled up to 20 before the fight. Not talking to the Arishok much in Act 1 meant I had to do the "prove your worth" fight first, but then he offered the challenge when Isabela came back. I brought Fenris with me just in case though.
Mostly sided with Orsino in the opening convo. Told Meredith she should step down. Yeah, that went over well.
Nathan's next stop will be to bother Seneschal Bran. Trolling him is such fun!
I wish you didn't have to side with the Templars at the end to end up as Viscount. I've only been able to do that once and I'm certainly not going to with an Anders friendmance. Boo. Dumb question; if Hawke becomes Viscount, does Hawke still go into hiding? How does this translate into Inquisition?
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Post by phoray on Oct 13, 2016 15:21:40 GMT
Finished Act 2 and now Nathan is Champion of Kirkwall. Got skewered a couple of times during the duel but didn't have to start over, and I didn't even use Dog as a butt-biter. I did use Decoy a couple of times though. Just leveled up to 20 before the fight. Not talking to the Arishok much in Act 1 meant I had to do the "prove your worth" fight first, but then he offered the challenge when Isabela came back. I brought Fenris with me just in case though.
Mostly sided with Orsino in the opening convo. Told Meredith she should step down. Yeah, that went over well.
Nathan's next stop will be to bother Seneschal Bran. Trolling him is such fun!
I wish you didn't have to side with the Templars at the end to end up as Viscount. I've only been able to do that once and I'm certainly not going to with an Anders friendmance. Boo. Dumb question; if Hawke becomes Viscount, does Hawke still go into hiding? How does this translate into Inquisition? According to DAI Hawke, they stayed in Kirkwall trying to clean up the mess from red lyrium and the explosion for a year ish before Varric contacted Hawke about Corypheus showing up again. (I'm assuming) Hawke then leaves Kirkwall in the hands of the Seneshal while she comes to Skyhold. Then she either dies in the Fade or goes to Weishaupt for an indeterminate amount of time. In the end, either Seneshal Bran has been running things with Varric's help until Varric officially steps into the position of Viscount (in the case of HAwke being dead) or Hawke decides being Viscount sucks and steps down to allow Varric (who's been doing the bulk of the work while Hawke is adventuring anyway) to become Viscount. Hawke is only Active Viscount for a year, then varying amounts of active Viscount (due to adventures) until 2 years after that. So, at most, Hawke is only ever Viscount for 3 years total. Is that really worth siding with a psychopath and killing a bunch of mages? up to your Hawke. The one time I did it, I ignored what DAI Hawke said and, in my head, my Hawke voluntarily turned down the Viscountess position and was hanging out with Anders-not on the run, because I wasn't a rebel. But trying to get Justice removed.
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Post by phoray on Oct 13, 2016 17:35:11 GMT
^^^^^ Just occurs to me that if Hawke dies in the Fade, then Varric's comment about the Viscount position being thought cursed (viscounts keep dying) remains true. Oh nuuuu! Is Varric in danger?
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Post by magdalena11 on Oct 13, 2016 19:08:38 GMT
I'm so missing playing DAO and DA2. Sadly, when I changed OSes, I can't get them back, and I'm so spoiled with my mods, I don't know if I could play vanilla anymore. And playing with mods would require assistance that I can't get anymore, so, I'm out of luck. Yes, I'm that lame with the computer.
At any rate, I finished the Western Approach and did HLTA. There aren't many wartable operations that become available afterwards, are there? I'll finish up these few then explore the Exalted Plains and Emerald Graves (my favorite map) before WEWH. I'm thinking of buying Descent DLC for running after JoH. Maybe that will perk me up. I even miss Hawke. Maybe I'll play DAO and DA2 without mods, just on punisher mode, and hope for no bugs.
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Post by deadlydwarf on Oct 13, 2016 19:11:08 GMT
Dumb question; if Hawke becomes Viscount, does Hawke still go into hiding? How does this translate into Inquisition? According to DAI Hawke, they stayed in Kirkwall trying to clean up the mess from red lyrium and the explosion for a year ish before Varric contacted Hawke about Corypheus showing up again. (I'm assuming) Hawke then leaves Kirkwall in the hands of the Seneshal while she comes to Skyhold. Then she either dies in the Fade or goes to Weishaupt for an indeterminate amount of time. In the end, either Seneshal Bran has been running things with Varric's help until Varric officially steps into the position of Viscount (in the case of HAwke being dead) or Hawke decides being Viscount sucks and steps down to allow Varric (who's been doing the bulk of the work while Hawke is adventuring anyway) to become Viscount. Hawke is only Active Viscount for a year, then varying amounts of active Viscount (due to adventures) until 2 years after that. So, at most, Hawke is only ever Viscount for 3 years total. Is that really worth siding with a psychopath and killing a bunch of mages? up to your Hawke. The one time I did it, I ignored what DAI Hawke said and, in my head, my Hawke voluntarily turned down the Viscountess position and was hanging out with Anders-not on the run, because I wasn't a rebel. But trying to get Justice removed. I ask because of the dispute (during Inquisition) between Cassandra and Varric over Varric hiding Hawke's whereabouts. Cass says that Hawke was the one she wanted to lead the Inquisition. It shouldn't be difficult to find him/her if Hawke is Viscount of Kirkwall. So I take Hawke must be out of office by the time of the conclave, thus putting him beyond Cassandra's reach at the beginning of Inquisition. In all my PTs, my Hawkes always side with the mages -- after killing Anders. I can't see how Hawke, coming from a family of apostates, could side with the Templars. But I find Anders/Justice just as much of a psycho as Meredith and the extremist Templars. After Anders kills the female mage Hawke is trying to save from the Templars, I couldn't justify hanging out with a companion who's so volatile. I suppose Anders occupies a special spot between abominations like Uldred -- where the demon is in control -- versus the situation of Wynne, who has a spirit within her that protects her but does not dictate what she does. Way too much negative synergy in Anders/Justice's case. Still, it is kind of interesting to see all the female gamers who still adore Anders. Very much like the cult of male gamers who are fans of Morrigan. You have to give BW credit for creating complex, interesting characters that gamers care about!
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 19:27:35 GMT
Dumb question; if Hawke becomes Viscount, does Hawke still go into hiding? How does this translate into Inquisition? According to DAI Hawke, they stayed in Kirkwall trying to clean up the mess from red lyrium and the explosion for a year ish before Varric contacted Hawke about Corypheus showing up again. (I'm assuming) Hawke then leaves Kirkwall in the hands of the Seneshal while she comes to Skyhold. Then she either dies in the Fade or goes to Weishaupt for an indeterminate amount of time. In the end, either Seneshal Bran has been running things with Varric's help until Varric officially steps into the position of Viscount (in the case of HAwke being dead) or Hawke decides being Viscount sucks and steps down to allow Varric (who's been doing the bulk of the work while Hawke is adventuring anyway) to become Viscount. Hawke is only Active Viscount for a year, then varying amounts of active Viscount (due to adventures) until 2 years after that. So, at most, Hawke is only ever Viscount for 3 years total. Is that really worth siding with a psychopath and killing a bunch of mages? up to your Hawke. The one time I did it, I ignored what DAI Hawke said and, in my head, my Hawke voluntarily turned down the Viscountess position and was hanging out with Anders-not on the run, because I wasn't a rebel. But trying to get Justice removed. It's been a while since my Viscount import but I think Hawke leaves because she discovers the Templars are using red lyrium and is worried they are going to come after her. Thus, s/he's nowhere to be found when Cass comes calling. The first time I heard this I did a double-take because it completely contradicts everything Cullen says about what's been happening in Kirkwall since the end of DA2. Honestly, I think BW couldn't come up with a good reason for why Hawke would no longer be Viscount and just thought the red lyrium angle would be "cool" even if it made no sense. Then, to top it off, Varric becomes Viscount in Trespasser even if former Viscount-Hawke isn't left in the Fade. Talk about throwing the PC under the bus. So now it just seems better to not become Viscount (even if you didn't have to side with Meredith at the end) since it's all undone later anyway.
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Post by phoray on Oct 13, 2016 20:12:41 GMT
deadlydwarf melbella Cullen's codex muddies it up a bit by mentioning "years of clean up." I thought there was only a year between Chantry Explosion and the Conclave explosion. He also mentions absolutely nothing of the red lyrium that drives Viscount Hawke away. Implying what, that the red lyrium in Kirkwall didn't start until Cullen had already joined the Inquisition? Red lyrium must work fast on the paranoia front...
Quiz: What was Stroud investigating Hawke: The Templars in Kirkwall were using a strange kind of lyrium. It was red. --Templar sided Hawke-- Quiz: why did you step down as Viscount Hawke: the Templars were using a new form of lyrium. It's very powerful. It made the Templars in Kirkwall paranoid. Eventually, they came after me. I left Kirkwall to try to find out more. Mage sided Hawke: Quiz: where did you go after mages rebelled Hawke: heard the Chantry might be sending an exalted March on kirkwall to put down rebellion. I hope that leaving might save lives as the Chantry divided their forces to come after me. Need not have bothered. All Circles rose up and the Exalted March never came. Templar Carver still gets taken out of Kirkwall by Aveline because "the Wardens were acting strangely." Which made better sense for a warden carver. A better reason for Templar Carver would have been the very red lyrium mentioned.
I liked my version better. the above is a mess. As a rebel mage sympathizer, Hawke leaves Kirkwall immediately, I thought. Why would the Chantry think to find Hawke there? Why would the Chantry do an exalted March at all? So much continuity error in this cameo. They managed Alistair right. Somebody got lazy with Hawke.
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Post by melbella on Oct 14, 2016 0:56:55 GMT
I think there are 3+ yrs between them: DA2 Act 3 takes place in 9:37 and DAI starts in 9:40, maybe even 9:41. DAI gives the impression that Cass' interrogation of Varric happened just before they all left for the Conclave (Cass, Leliana, Cullen, Varric) because she's looking for Hawke to lead the Inquisition. That means Cullen was de facto Knight Commander all that time, 3-4 yrs, because he gave up the post in order to join Cass.
So how the hell did he not know Templars were using red lyrium and that is why Hawke went into hiding (if Viscount)?! Grrrr....I swear the devs don't even know their own story half the time! You can't even say they forgot Hawke could be Viscount, because it's discussed in DAI.
As I posted in another forum, they need to keep a timeline up on their walls for everyone to see. It's entirely possible everything mentioned did in fact happen, but the timing is screwed up so badly you can't really be sure if it did or not.
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Post by melbella on Oct 14, 2016 2:16:54 GMT
I don't think I've seen this expression on Meredith's face (at least not preserved in a screenshot). This is much more common:
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Post by phoray on Oct 14, 2016 2:38:09 GMT
I don't think I've seen this expression on Meredith's face (at least not preserved in a screenshot). This is much more common: I love the look on her face when she realizes she's not the Kirkwall Nobility Favorite anymore.
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