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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2017 20:15:34 GMT
Anders' not really Hufflepuff (only partially), rather Griffindor. And no way he's Slytherin: he's not ambitious. His plan (to start a revolution) perhaps, is but not him, personally. We know, he's lying badly (not even good on Wicked Grace). Remember his body language, and almost breaks his cover, when he lied – not mentioned, he immediately tells Hawke, he was lying. Not even manipulative, I always saw him cruelly honest. In the Circle, he probably used his humour/charm to survive. "Manipulated" Irving to see him harmless? But he was harmless (in this time), just wanted to live freely. I don't think he even promised, he will never try again to escape. He's the fire... Aveline also said. Starting the mage rebellion is pretty ambitious and he is sneaky about it. He might not be the best liar, but he fooled his friends for a long while. And the Hufflepuff part is his caring side, his urge to want to help, his loyality to friends and to his cause. I don't say, that he doesn't have a bit Gryffindor in him, but he acts more like a Slytherin in the end. A gryffindor would probably have confronted Meredith directly, even if the chances to win are slim, not blowing up the church Yes, starting the revolution is an ambitious thing, I said, but he, personally never want the glory. He wasn't ambitious. And Anders' and the Mages enemy's not Meredith. "Meredith will die. Do not doubt that", he said to Varric. But I suppose she never was his main target. Meredith' death, wouldn't lead to his goal. The Chantry was the target, peacefully or violently.
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I think I agree with adonniel - he does not blow up the Chantry to win status, influence or riches. He blows it up to free the others not in order to kill the innocent bystanders. He blows it up by the same reason the Rebels blow up the Death Star and the same reason Harry encourages his followers to defend Hogwarts and die if necessary, the same reason he insists on war when the establishment tells him "It's just your wild imagination. Voldemort is dead." It's being a YA novel, Harry is not put into a controversial situation where he has to run the risk of directly sacrificing innocents to defeat Voldermort, but that does not mean he would not have.
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The ambitious and cunning (in a rogue sense) parts are definitively trained on by the Crows imo. I just finished CoS today and Dumbledore did attest the Slytherins a tendency to like breaking the rules - which would make all rogues (apart from Sebastian, who is too boring for a house) part Slytherin, I guess. But then, it is, as Dumbldore told Harry, when he was worried about the Sorting Hat trying to put him into Slytherin: in the end the people decide, where they go. I personally have no problem with either house, but since the books are all about Gryffindor and Slytherin, I tend to root for Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff (plus they have the main traits, I like, apart from the rogueish ones from Slytherin - those I love too). I was really thrilled, when I found out, that Tonks, one of my favorite characters (I even have a Tonks cosplay) was in Hufflepuff. And of course, our favorite Ravenclaw Luna You make a good case for Cullen being a Griffelpuff, I can totally see that now. I'm still biased about Anders though. I think he has a very strange mixture of Hufflepuff and Slytherin. He certainly cares about people and is fiercly loyal to his friends. But on the other hand, his plan to freeing the mages, no matter what, even over the backs of said friends, is ambitious, resourceful and rogueish. But since he has an extra passenger on board it's hard to tell, who brings which traits to the party. DAA Anders has a lot of rule-breaking tendencies and he shows a lot of cunning in avoiding templars and he is a caring person, so maybe Justice just pushed those traits a bit more to his liking? I don't see how ambition and cunning can be trained by the Crows or by anyone for that matter. School tends to amplify the traits people have, but doesn't make people grow a new personality. In fact, too much ambition from the lower ranks tends to get them killed since the higher ups do not appreciate someone eyeing their place. If anything, the Crows would be putting that trait down. The Crows promote ruthlessness, so Andraste forbid the assassins don't feel sorry for their victims. But, ruthlessness is not a Slytherin or any specific house fixed trait. One of the most ruthless people in the books is Dumbledore. He asks Snape to murder him, while he is the only person who can clear Snape's name about being a double agent and he is the only person remaining alive who Snape trust/cares for. The person you care for the most in the world, your friend/brother/lover asks you to murder them in cold blood in front of everyone that would land you in Azkaban should you survive the war. In true Gryffindor manner it was done for the Greater Good. LOL that you Squibbed Sebastian. The biggest rule breaker in the books is Harry Potter himself. Dumbledore had also attested that lions are the rule breakers, not just the snakes. In case with Snape and Marauders war, it was pot calling the cattle. But then, it is, as Dumbldore told Harry, when he was worried about the Sorting Hat trying to put him into Slytherin: in the end the people decide, where they go.
I think it's the fact that people intuitively may perceive their houses, which the Sorting Hat picks up on, rather than them being rational about it or choosing. When the Sorting Hat was hesitating between Slytherin and Gryffindor it did not randomly flip a coin in relying purely on his judgement - it asked Harry an additional question/offered bait. Here is the quote: Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that — no?
Had he been a true Slytherin - the word 'greatness' and an implied promise of power would have rang a bell and Harry would have stopped to consider it seriously. But, he rejects the notion without batting an eyelash, allowing the Hat to see that his priorities/integral values do not lie with Slytherin and the Hat called Gryffindor. But, did he really choose? ___ Had Anders been Slytherin, this is what he would have done. He would have professed an undying love for the Templars and would have pretended to be the Chantry's most devout little scholar (hence you can surprise the enemy best by not letting them know how much you hate them). Simultaneously, he would have batted eyelashes at some of the Templars until he could seduce one of them and tell them about his sacred, romantic dream of doing it outside in the barn. Once in the barn, he would have knocked the so called romantic interest out, tied them up, stole their armor and ran off into the blue cackling. Then, nobody would have even believed the Templar's story since how could such a devout, obedient mage run away? This is Anders: I HATE YOU ALL! //jumps into the monster infested lake Slytherins are subtle. Anders is about as subtle as a battering ram. Anders can't even keep his mouth shut in Mededith's office and challenges her. Slytherins have too much self-preservation instinct to do something so brash. It's a typical gutsy Gryffindor reaction. The loyalty is his Hufflepuff trait, which is his secondary house. Being dodgy and good at sneaking around to avoid the Templars like a rogue (the way Harry Potter does under Invisibility Cloak past curfew and without it every single year) doesn't make him a snake. Actually, this looks more like Gryffindor favourite past time. _____ I very much like Tonks and Luna. Flitwick is one of the characters I very much enjoy as well. There is a lot of conflict between Gryffindor and Slytherin, so the Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw get a lot less thunder. Still, Rowling occasionally offers them recognition. In the Goblet of Fire - Cedric who is a Hufflepuff is chosen to be Hogwarts Champion. (Then the Goblet chose Harry too). I think, Zevrans case is a bit different, since the Crows weren't merely a school, but his home too. He was pushed to become a good Crow or die trying, which would awake his ambition and cunning to stay alive and be good, so that he doesn't get punished. He had known no other way in life, before meeting the warden. And if you earn his trust, he do change a lot, which made me think, that what he was before was not what he wanted to be, but what he had to be in order to stay alive. About Anders: Slytherins are not always subtle: Draco, Crabbe and Goyle were subtle as stones too (and Lucius Malfoy most of the time, his plan to get the Weaslys framed were certainly clever (with Riddles diary), but in the end, he blowed it himself by confronting Dumbledore and Arthur Weasly too directly). Anders always used sneakiness and cunning more than direct confrontation, which would be the Gryffindor way imo and he layed low for a long time in Kirkwall before starting to confront Meredith and in the end, he used a very Slytherin way to start the mage - templar war imo. But I guess, in the end all this is subjective. But I guess we can agree about the Hufflepuff part . I would even go so far to say, that the confronting part was Justice doing. Justice seems very Gryffindor to me in the part of DAA, I did play. I didn't finish DAA so far, because when I was playing it for the first and only time, the game crashed and I was neverable to finish that playthrough, because the saves were corrupted, so I might be wrong about that, in that case, I would have to give Anders more Gryffindor credit. Yeah, they were a lot of rule breaker in all houses, most probably in valiant Gryffindor, but I guess, that is just, because we see mostly the Gryffindor pov. I guess, Dumbledore meant a general tendency to roguish behavior with the Slytherins. Sorry, to all Sebastian fans, but I just can't see him in a house - he is not clever, not really loyal (he jumps between church and revenge the whole game and in the end, he can potentially turn on a good friend, because she doesn't want to commit a murder), I guess he is kind of brave, but in the end, he always runs to other people to do his work, and he is not cunning at all, a bit ambitious perhaps, but not even steady in that. I have a hard time here. I just found out btw, that Newt Scamander is a Hufflepuff, I like that
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I think I agree with adonniel - he does not blow up the Chantry to win status, influence or riches. He blows it up to free the others not in order to kill the innocent bystanders. He blows it up by the same reason the Rebels blow up the Death Star and the same reason Harry encourages his followers to defend Hogwarts and die if necessary, the same reason he insists on war when the establishment tells him "It's just your wild imagination. Voldemort is dead." It's being a YA novel, Harry is not put into a controversial situation where he has to run the risk of directly sacrificing innocents to defeat Voldermort, but that does not mean he would not have. A Slytherin wouldn't blow up the Church based on this logic either. (well "normal" Slytheirn, as normal as Anders is) Someone like Voldemort might, but they wouldn't have to be in Slytherin. This would be to establish terror and cause mass panic, done by any house.
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Sorry, to all Sebastian fans, but I just can't see him in a house - he is not clever, not really loyal (he jumps between church and revenge the whole game and in the end, he can potentially turn on a good friend, because she doesn't want to commit a murder), I guess he is kind of brave, but in the end, he always runs to other people to do his work, and he is not cunning at all, a bit ambitious perhaps, but not even steady in that. I have a hard time here. Oh, I think he is Hufflepuff. It is precisely because he has strong loyalties that he is in a constant conflict. he is actually a bit unique in the DA2 cast in that his primary personal loyalty is not to Hawke, it is to the person who believed in him and became his mentor when he was most lost - Hawke finds him already generally "fixed" by the priestess. What Hawke has to deal with is Sebastian's secondary conflict, not the main one.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2017 20:31:26 GMT
I don't see how ambition and cunning can be trained by the Crows or by anyone for that matter. School tends to amplify the traits people have, but doesn't make people grow a new personality. In fact, too much ambition from the lower ranks tends to get them killed since the higher ups do not appreciate someone eyeing their place. If anything, the Crows would be putting that trait down. The Crows promote ruthlessness, so Andraste forbid the assassins don't feel sorry for their victims. But, ruthlessness is not a Slytherin or any specific house fixed trait. One of the most ruthless people in the books is Dumbledore. He asks Snape to murder him, while he is the only person who can clear Snape's name about being a double agent and he is the only person remaining alive who Snape trust/cares for. The person you care for the most in the world, your friend/brother/lover asks you to murder them in cold blood in front of everyone that would land you in Azkaban should you survive the war. In true Gryffindor manner it was done for the Greater Good. LOL that you Squibbed Sebastian. The biggest rule breaker in the books is Harry Potter himself. Dumbledore had also attested that lions are the rule breakers, not just the snakes. In case with Snape and Marauders war, it was pot calling the cattle. But then, it is, as Dumbldore told Harry, when he was worried about the Sorting Hat trying to put him into Slytherin: in the end the people decide, where they go.
I think it's the fact that people intuitively may perceive their houses, which the Sorting Hat picks up on, rather than them being rational about it or choosing. When the Sorting Hat was hesitating between Slytherin and Gryffindor it did not randomly flip a coin in relying purely on his judgement - it asked Harry an additional question/offered bait. Here is the quote: Are you sure? You could be great, you know, it's all here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to greatness, no doubt about that — no?
Had he been a true Slytherin - the word 'greatness' and an implied promise of power would have rang a bell and Harry would have stopped to consider it seriously. But, he rejects the notion without batting an eyelash, allowing the Hat to see that his priorities/integral values do not lie with Slytherin and the Hat called Gryffindor. But, did he really choose? ___ Had Anders been Slytherin, this is what he would have done. He would have professed an undying love for the Templars and would have pretended to be the Chantry's most devout little scholar (hence you can surprise the enemy best by not letting them know how much you hate them). Simultaneously, he would have batted eyelashes at some of the Templars until he could seduce one of them and tell them about his sacred, romantic dream of doing it outside in the barn. Once in the barn, he would have knocked the so called romantic interest out, tied them up, stole their armor and ran off into the blue cackling. Then, nobody would have even believed the Templar's story since how could such a devout, obedient mage run away? This is Anders: I HATE YOU ALL! //jumps into the monster infested lake Slytherins are subtle. Anders is about as subtle as a battering ram. Anders can't even keep his mouth shut in Mededith's office and challenges her. Slytherins have too much self-preservation instinct to do something so brash. It's a typical gutsy Gryffindor reaction. The loyalty is his Hufflepuff trait, which is his secondary house. Being dodgy and good at sneaking around to avoid the Templars like a rogue (the way Harry Potter does under Invisibility Cloak past curfew and without it every single year) doesn't make him a snake. Actually, this looks more like Gryffindor favourite past time. _____ I very much like Tonks and Luna. Flitwick is one of the characters I very much enjoy as well. There is a lot of conflict between Gryffindor and Slytherin, so the Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw get a lot less thunder. Still, Rowling occasionally offers them recognition. In the Goblet of Fire - Cedric who is a Hufflepuff is chosen to be Hogwarts Champion. (Then the Goblet chose Harry too). I think, Zevrans case is a bit different, since the Crows weren't merely a school, but his home too. He was pushed to become a good Crow or die trying, which would awake his ambition and cunning to stay alive and be good, so that he doesn't get punished. He had known no other way in life, before meeting the warden. And if you earn his trust, he do change a lot, which made me think, that what he was before was not what he wanted to be, but what he had to be in order to stay alive. About Anders: Slytherins are not always subtle: Draco, Crabbe and Goyle were subtle as stones too (and Lucius Malfoy most of the time, his plan to get the Weaslys framed were certainly clever (with Riddles diary), but in the end, he blowed it himself by confronting Dumbledore and Arthur Weasly too directly). Anders always used sneakiness and cunning more than direct confrontation, which would be the Gryffindor way imo and he layed low for a long time in Kirkwall before starting to confront Meredith and in the end, he used a very Slytherin way to start the mage - templar war imo. But I guess, in the end all this is subjective. But I guess we can agree about the Hufflepuff part . I would even go so far to say, that the confronting part was Justice doing. Justice seems very Gryffindor to me in the part of DAA, I did play. I didn't finish DAA so far, because when I was playing it for the first and only time, the game crashed and I was neverable to finish that playthrough, because the saves were corrupted, so I might be wrong about that, in that case, I would have to give Anders more Gryffindor credit. Yeah, they were a lot of rule breaker in all houses, most probably in valiant Gryffindor, but I guess, that is just, because we see mostly the Gryffindor pov. I guess, Dumbledore meant a general tendency to roguish behavior with the Slytherins. Sorry, to all Sebastian fans, but I just can't see him in a house - he is not clever, not really loyal (he jumps between church and revenge the whole game and in the end, he can potentially turn on a good friend, because she doesn't want to commit a murder), I guess he is kind of brave, but in the end, he always runs to other people to do his work, and he is not cunning at all, a bit ambitious perhaps, but not even steady in that. I have a hard time here. I just found out btw, that Newt Scamander is a Hufflepuff, I like that Anders's not sneaky. Always looks for conflict, spreads his ideas openly. "I don't hate you because you're a mage. I hate you because you won't shut up about it." (Carver)
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I think I agree with adonniel - he does not blow up the Chantry to win status, influence or riches. He blows it up to free the others not in order to kill the innocent bystanders. He blows it up by the same reason the Rebels blow up the Death Star and the same reason Harry encourages his followers to defend Hogwarts and die if necessary, the same reason he insists on war when the establishment tells him "It's just your wild imagination. Voldemort is dead." It's being a YA novel, Harry is not put into a controversial situation where he has to run the risk of directly sacrificing innocents to defeat Voldermort, but that does not mean he would not have. What? Anders blows up a Church for the same reasons as the rebels with the Death Star? How is that even comparable? One is a flying military death machine that can wipe out planets. The other is a gathering place for people to pray, and attend services.....Anders blows up the Chantry with the intent to start a revolutionary war. His goal is to spark a reaction so extreme from the Templars that the mages have no choice but to rebel, he kills civilians and likely a few people who may not like the circles but still believe in Andraste. In Star Wars the rebels blow up the Death Star to save themselves, other star systems in the future, and it is a military outpost. What the Empire did to Alderaan would be a better comparison. The indiscriminate killing of people who may stand against you as well as civilians who do not just to hopefully spark a desired reaction.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2017 20:33:17 GMT
Sorry, to all Sebastian fans, but I just can't see him in a house - he is not clever, not really loyal (he jumps between church and revenge the whole game and in the end, he can potentially turn on a good friend, because she doesn't want to commit a murder), I guess he is kind of brave, but in the end, he always runs to other people to do his work, and he is not cunning at all, a bit ambitious perhaps, but not even steady in that. I have a hard time here. Oh, I think he is Hufflepuff. It is precisely because he has strong loyalties that he is in a constant conflict. he is actually a bit unique in the DA2 cast in that his primary personal loyalty is not to Hawke, it is to the person who believed in him and became his mentor when he was most lost - Hawke finds him already generally "fixed" by the priestess. What Hawke has to deal with is Sebastian's secondary conflict, not the main one. You were faster than me. That's what I wanted to write. And he's loyal, he working hard to be a good, pious man.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2017 20:35:08 GMT
I think I agree with adonniel - he does not blow up the Chantry to win status, influence or riches. He blows it up to free the others not in order to kill the innocent bystanders. He blows it up by the same reason the Rebels blow up the Death Star and the same reason Harry encourages his followers to defend Hogwarts and die if necessary, the same reason he insists on war when the establishment tells him "It's just your wild imagination. Voldemort is dead." It's being a YA novel, Harry is not put into a controversial situation where he has to run the risk of directly sacrificing innocents to defeat Voldermort, but that does not mean he would not have. What? Anders blows up a Church for the same reasons as the rebels with the Death Star? How is that even comparable? One is a flying military death machine that can wipe out planets. The other is a gathering place for people to pray, and attend services.....Anders blows up the Chantry with the intent to start a revolutionary war. His goal is to spark a reaction so extreme from the Templars that the mages have no choice but to rebel, he kills civilians and likely people who may not like the circles but still believe in Andraste. In Star Wars the rebels blow up the Death Star to save themselves, and other star systems in the future, and it is a military outpost. What the Empire did to Alderaan would be a better comparison. The indiscriminate killing of people who may stand against you as well as civilians who do not just to hopefully spark a desired reaction. You just see a peaceful, sacred place of the pious people, I see the symbol of the oppression as well. I see the target.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 7, 2017 20:36:27 GMT
I'm not sure. Harry would never exploded a church full of innocent people. Breaking the rules, yes, trying to get away from circumstances, he doesn't like, yes, but not at the cost of others. Harry is more upfront, where Anders is sneaky and cunning. So only a Slytherin is an asshole enough to explode a Church full of people? So much for 'not every Slytherin is an evil' claim. I didn't know 'asshole' was a house trait. I thought anyone from any house could be an asshole. Making the church explode does not make you sneaky or cunning. Yes, it requires sabotage to bring in the explosives, but you don't have to be Slytherin to be able to plot an explosive device. Anyone from any house is capable of that. Anders destroys the Church for the Greater Good - the way Dumbledore manipulates and sends great many people to death, including himself. To him the need for justice prevails over the cost of life. That is a Gryffindor concept. It's not the fact that he made the Church explode - it's the reasons WhY he made it explode. His reasons point to Gryffindor because he did it for a cause and justice to stop the oppression. Ok.slowly again: No, Slytherins are not assholes and not evil. And yes, Anders says, he did it for the greater good, but apart from Dumbledore most Gryffindors we met in the books did prefer the direct approach - a Gryffindor might have murdered Meredith or Elthina in the open street and be martyred for it - it isn't nicer and better, it is a different approach. And I do see, where you and Catilina and @carefull are coming from. I did say. I'm unsure about which traits might come from Justice (the greater good sounds more of a spirit of justice than DAA Anders tbh) and which from Anders. I like Anders too, there are only 3 companions in DA. I dislike, and Anders is not among them. And I love Vivienne and she is clearly Slytherin, so no, that has nothing to do with it. I don't want to fight with you about something so silly, maybe we just agree to disagree and leave it be
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Dec 7, 2017 20:43:35 GMT
What? Anders blows up a Church for the same reasons as the rebels with the Death Star? How is that even comparable? One is a flying military death machine that can wipe out planets. The other is a gathering place for people to pray, and attend services.....Anders blows up the Chantry with the intent to start a revolutionary war. His goal is to spark a reaction so extreme from the Templars that the mages have no choice but to rebel, he kills civilians and likely people who may not like the circles but still believe in Andraste. In Star Wars the rebels blow up the Death Star to save themselves, and other star systems in the future, and it is a military outpost. What the Empire did to Alderaan would be a better comparison. The indiscriminate killing of people who may stand against you as well as civilians who do not just to hopefully spark a desired reaction. You just see a peaceful, sacred place of the pious people, I see the symbol of the oppression. I see the target. Not surprised in the slightest given your previous posts. The symbol of oppression would be the circle itself or at least the part that houses the Templars. I kill Anders every time for the simple fact that he targeted civilians indiscriminately. If he had gone after the Templars in some way I would have supported him. Anyway I don't want to get into another Anders debate. Had my share of those never ending threads on the old BSN.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 20:54:55 GMT
Symbol of oppression may take different shapes. The second Death Star that is under construction has millions of slaves, independent contractors, their families, etc that are necessary to build and maintain a planet-sized station on it, that are killed in the blast. Obviously, the rebels do not specifically target them, but they do die. Anders do not target the civilians, he targets Elthina that keeps the fragile peace in Kirkwall and for the sake of that peace would not condemn Meredith, and the spire that blesses the city that is decorated by the colossal statues of chained mages. Anders' goal is not to singlehandedly wrestle the control from the Templars, it is to die lighting the sign that announces to the whole realm that it is no longer possible to be complacent.
And it is certainly tragic that nothing comes out of it, so it does appear pointless in the hindsight. But at the moment, at the end of DA2, there is a chance of success.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 20:56:57 GMT
I think, Zevrans case is a bit different, since the Crows weren't merely a school, but his home too. He was pushed to become a good Crow or die trying, which would awake his ambition and cunning to stay alive and be good, so that he doesn't get punished. He had known no other way in life, before meeting the warden. And if you earn his trust, he do change a lot, which made me think, that what he was before was not what he wanted to be, but what he had to be in order to stay alive. About Anders: Slytherins are not always subtle: Draco, Crabbe and Goyle were subtle as stones too (and Lucius Malfoy most of the time, his plan to get the Weaslys framed were certainly clever (with Riddles diary), but in the end, he blowed it himself by confronting Dumbledore and Arthur Weasly too directly). Anders always used sneakiness and cunning more than direct confrontation, which would be the Gryffindor way imo and he layed low for a long time in Kirkwall before starting to confront Meredith and in the end, he used a very Slytherin way to start the mage - templar war imo. But I guess, in the end all this is subjective. But I guess we can agree about the Hufflepuff part . I would even go so far to say, that the confronting part was Justice doing. Justice seems very Gryffindor to me in the part of DAA, I did play. I didn't finish DAA so far, because when I was playing it for the first and only time, the game crashed and I was neverable to finish that playthrough, because the saves were corrupted, so I might be wrong about that, in that case, I would have to give Anders more Gryffindor credit. Yeah, they were a lot of rule breaker in all houses, most probably in valiant Gryffindor, but I guess, that is just, because we see mostly the Gryffindor pov. I guess, Dumbledore meant a general tendency to roguish behavior with the Slytherins. Sorry, to all Sebastian fans, but I just can't see him in a house - he is not clever, not really loyal (he jumps between church and revenge the whole game and in the end, he can potentially turn on a good friend, because she doesn't want to commit a murder), I guess he is kind of brave, but in the end, he always runs to other people to do his work, and he is not cunning at all, a bit ambitious perhaps, but not even steady in that. I have a hard time here. I just found out btw, that Newt Scamander is a Hufflepuff, I like that According to Zevran, the Crows take in every single kid from a very young age to mould them into assassins, not just Zev. This doesn't mean every single Crow is trained to become a Slytherin. Crows aren't a Slytherin factory. Based on that logic, you can say that every Crow is Slytherin. You don't solely need ambition and cunning to stay alive. You can use Hufflepuff's patience and hard-work to win the Crows over, you can use Gryffindor's bravery and gall and risk-taking which would please the Crows, you can use Ravenclaw's creativity and critical thinking to convince the Crows to stay alive. There are different ways of dealing with those who think they own you and convincing them that you're useful. But, of all these choices - Zevran demonstrates ambition and cunning. This isn't because the Crows trained him. He just was. If you earn his trust, this lets you know more about Zevran, but this doesn't make him more or less of a Slytherin. Anders used sneakiness and cunning to avoid the Templars? Anyone with one brain cell would avoid the Templars regardless of their house. Wanting to hide from people who will execute/imprison you doesn't make you Slytherin. Nor do you have to be Slytherin to be successful in hiding from them. That wasn't a Slytherin way to start a war. Anders removed all form of compromise. Slytherins are flexible. They wouldn't burn all bridges. Dumbledore is a biased Gryffindor who always favoured Gryffindor and sought excuses for them. Gryffindors in the books break the rules just as often and Slytherins do. Crabbe and Goyle are both dumb as rocks, but they are Slytherin because they sucked up to Draco because Draco had power. It was a convenient union of mutual use. They knew their natural abilities won't advance them far, so they sought someone through whom they would be able to gain a more powerful foothold - network and social connections. However, when Draco was undermined in the eyes of Voldemort and lost some of his social standing, Goyle (or was in Crabbe forgot which one) suddenly demonstrated ambition and tried to get at the horcrux himself to gain favour with Voldy. It was dumb, but it was ambition driven. It was subtle because no one would have suspected of him being able to do it. He stayed in another's shadow because it was convenient but when the opportunity arose to surpass Draco, he suddenly stepped out of the shadow and went after this chance. That is subtle. Both Crabbe and Goyle are ambition and power driven, even if they're dumb. Malfoys are the subtlest and sneakiest of all. In both wars they have supported the Death Eaters - those supporters were tossed into Azkaban no questions once the Ministry was restored to order. Yet, Malfoys kept all their money and social status and got away with it what you could consider scott free. Lucius has a temper and can occasionally get pissed off, but he manipulates every situation in the most advantageous way to receive the least amount of punishment for some stuff that would get another trice executed.
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Jyoti Hawke helped Varric investigate Bartrands old mansion, that seems to be haunted. In the end, she had to stop him from taking a part of that red lyrium idol and join his brothers fate And I made a new mage in DAO. Alighieras playthrough was kind of bugged (I still think, it might have been Ser Gilmore conflicting with something else) and I always wanted to make a new mage with a kind of Chasind vibe. Her backstory is, that she grew up in the wilds, until templars found her and brought her to the circle). This is Miya She is at Ostagar now and had already met Alistair and her other soon-to-be fellow wardens and now they are roaming the wilds, killing darkspawn, finding wild flowers and some lost archive
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Post by Fredward on Dec 7, 2017 21:02:12 GMT
Started my first game in over a year and it feels like home. I'm putting this in spoiler tags since it got loooong. Personality:
Quiet, reserved, thoughtful, methodical, deliberate, analytical, pragmatic. He takes full responsibility for things he considers to be under his purview (not in the way heroes often do where they turn themselves into martyrs over mistakes/tragedies only tangentially related to them or their action tho) and he finds literally being the only person capable of closing the rifts and later the leader of the Inquisition a pretty heavy burden. He never shares since he considers "project an aura of quiet confidence, competence and reassurance" under his purview (he sees it as a flaw/crack in his reserve and the more he shares the wider it'd get and the harder it'd be to close back up). He finds... other means of release. He occasionally seems like he makes rash decisions but everything he does comes after a cost/benefit analysis, occasionally this results in inaction as he's too busy considering all the variables and the situation moves on without him. This has cost him in the past. He prefers diplomacy over intrigue and intrigue over open confrontation, what he likes the most is diplomacy with the an ace up his sleeve in the form of blackmail/information that allows him to outmaneuver them/putting them off balance by casually revealing information he shouldn't have etc. Tragic backstory:
When his mother and father escaped they wound up near a little coastal village where they met a recent arrival, an ambitious farmer who thought he'd hire two giant ox people to pull his plows or whatever. It wound up being more of partnership, Adaar's father was the same kind of methodical as he is but with a swashbuckler's charisma on top of it so he steered merchants towards the farmer with a mix of charm and intimidation. His mother had a freakishly green thumb and the farmer turned over frankly unfair amounts of crops with her overseeing things. She's actually a hedge mage with a very narrow focus on plants, not in Keeper way with giant murderroots rather in the "Wow, I've never quite seen that shade of cerulean before" "This crop of elfroot you grew is weirdly effective" and "Did that blossom just... chime?" kind of way. So the ambitious farmer got rich relatively quickly and used his wealth to build up the village, naturally he became mayor. He thanked the Adaars with a generous stipend and a plot of land somewhat removed from the village. The villagers treated them well as the respected mayor liked them, Pa'daar would fish and work in their little orchard while Ma'daar became the village's herbwoman. Adaar was born and by the time he was old enough to play with the other children his mother and father had become quite content with their life but the occasional close call when a crop went bad or there was a stillbirth and the villagers went looking for a scapegoat made them aware of how precarious there situation really was, even with the mayor. They were eager to preserve the status quo and would drill into Adaar that he was bigger and stronger than the other children and that he needed to be extremely careful around them. This made him a wee bit neurotic over time. Since kids are dicks they noticed Adaar's passivity over time and started trying to get a rise out of him, never worked until sometime near puberty it did. But instead of punching or headbutting someone lightning came from a clear sky and lit the bullies up like a Christmas tree. Only one died but that was enough. His parents contacted a mercenary friend of their who knew people who knew people who could teach him to control his powers, for Adaar this seemed like a punishment for breaking the one rule his parents always insisted he obey. Their goodbyes were rushed and Adaar would always recall that his mother wasn't even looking at him but rather down towards the village. Six months later he returned, his teacher having deemed him safe enough for a brief unsupervised trip, and he found his house burned down and what remained of his father amongst the wreckage. What Adaar didn't know at the time was that at more or less the same time he attacked his tormentors his parents had received word that the mayor was on his deathbed. The realized the writing was on the wall and the plan was to send Adaar of on one path and lead the angry villagers of on a wild goose chase before meeting back up with the Valo-Kas. The angry villagers arrived too soon though and caught the Adaars as they were preparing to leave. Adaar's first impulse was to go and murder everyone in the village but he quickly rejected him, neither his parents nor his new tutor would approve such rash action. Instead he very deliberately burned down the barn that held the winter surplus. Adaar never found his mother's remains and he likes to think that she escaped somehow. Adaar's tutor was a rarity: an old mercenary. As soon as he finished training Adaar to what he deemed an acceptable level he cashed out, bought a boat and sailed to parts unknown. Adaar was considered a competent mage but a bit dour when compared to his forebear. His stolid reliability made him a good pick for leadership position though and over time he learned to unwind just a tiiiny bit and how charisma can grease the wheels. From their work for nobles Adaar discarded the concept of honor, if the choice was send a 100 men to die in 'honorable' battle or kill one man underhandedly he would always pick the underhanded method. He isn't particularly ambitious, which is another reason leadership likes him for whatever amounts to mercenary middle-management, he liked building stuff up into the best, most efficient form it can take but he's unlikely to start anything on his own. By the time of the Conclave he's crafted his unit into an lean, agile, adaptable unit who are quite fond of their captain even if they don't entirely get him or understand what someone so understated is doing in a mercenary outfit. Miscellaneous:
- He keeps a sketchbook/journal where the margins are a mix of doodles, decoration, ciphered messages and hints to cipher's keys. He doesn't really expect anyone to read it so their just random thoughts but he likes working on the cipher. - He had a thing with Kaariss but found him exhausting. - He enjoys reading and is making up for the difficulties of maintaining books while in a mercenary company now that he's joined the Inquisition. - He has a nervous tick where he counts the words of whoever he's speaking to on his fingers. - He fondles his left horn (the one with the jewel in it) when he's deep in thought. - Only his left horn is actually broken, he got the other one gilded for symmetry. - When he gets angry he gets quiet(er). - The Qunari are implied to have some kind of primalness to them or rage or something (I'm pretty sure someone implied this at some point) Adaar is so repressed though that the only time this manifests is during fights (like, life threatening ones not the lame ones) and sex. - He likes to lounge around naked in his Skyhold chambers, people generally knock now. - As the Inquisition grows in power and prestige he gains an appreciation for the finer things in life. - He has set up ambushes for templars who come looking for mages among the Qunari mercenaries. - His focus on control means his magic isn't as powerful as it could be but he considers the tradeoff worth it. - He doesn't like children. - Cookie glutton. - Is a cat person. - He probably wouldn't admit it if you asked but he kind of like the Game.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2017 21:03:02 GMT
You just see a peaceful, sacred place of the pious people, I see the symbol of the oppression. I see the target. Not surprised in the slightest given your previous posts. The symbol of oppression would be the circle itself or at least the part that houses the Templars. I kill Anders every time for the simple fact that he targeted civilians indiscriminately. If he had gone after the Templars in some way I would have supported him. Anyway I don't want to get into another Anders debate. Had my share of those never ending threads on the old BSN. No, the symbol of the oppression was the Chantry, and the Divine is the greatest religious AND political power in Southern-Thedas. With an Army behind. The Circle and the Templar Order only the Chantry property, as the Mages and their children. And the Grand Cleric (Elthina) is the greatest power (straight after the Divine) in Kirkwall. You wrote: "If he had gone after the Templars in some way I would have supported him." And the point is: "in some way" ... but HOW? And WHY? They "only" carry out the Chantry's order.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 21:27:01 GMT
Started my first game in over a year and it feels like home. I'm putting this in spoiler tags since it got loooong. Personality:
Quiet, reserved, thoughtful, methodical, deliberate, analytical, pragmatic. He takes full responsibility for things he considers to be under his purview (not in the way heroes often do where they turn themselves into martyrs over mistakes/tragedies only tangentially related to them or their action tho) and he finds literally being the only person capable of closing the rifts and later the leader of the Inquisition a pretty heavy burden. He never shares since he considers "project an aura of quiet confidence, competence and reassurance" under his purview (he sees it as a flaw/crack in his reserve and the more he shares the wider it'd get and the harder it'd be to close back up). He finds... other means of release. He occasionally seems like he makes rash decisions but everything he does comes after a cost/benefit analysis, occasionally this results in inaction as he's too busy considering all the variables and the situation moves on without him. This has cost him in the past. He prefers diplomacy over intrigue and intrigue over open confrontation, what he likes the most is diplomacy with the an ace up his sleeve in the form of blackmail/information that allows him to outmaneuver them/putting them off balance by casually revealing information he shouldn't have etc. Tragic backstory:
When his mother and father escaped they wound up near a little coastal village where they met a recent arrival, an ambitious farmer who thought he'd hire two giant ox people to pull his plows or whatever. It wound up being more of partnership, Adaar's father was the same kind of methodical as he is but with a swashbuckler's charisma on top of it so he steered merchants towards the farmer with a mix of charm and intimidation. His mother had a freakishly green thumb and the farmer turned over frankly unfair amounts of crops with her overseeing things. She's actually a hedge mage with a very narrow focus on plants, not in Keeper way with giant murderroots rather in the "Wow, I've never quite seen that shade of cerulean before" "This crop of elfroot you grew is weirdly effective" and "Did that blossom just... chime?" kind of way. So the ambitious farmer got rich relatively quickly and used his wealth to build up the village, naturally he became mayor. He thanked the Adaars with a generous stipend and a plot of land somewhat removed from the village. The villagers treated them well as the respected mayor liked them, Pa'daar would fish and work in their little orchard while Ma'daar became the village's herbwoman. Adaar was born and by the time he was old enough to play with the other children his mother and father had become quite content with their life but the occasional close call when a crop went bad or there was a stillbirth and the villagers went looking for a scapegoat made them aware of how precarious there situation really was, even with the mayor. They were eager to preserve the status quo and would drill into Adaar that he was bigger and stronger than the other children and that he needed to be extremely careful around them. This made him a wee bit neurotic over time. Since kids are dicks they noticed Adaar's passivity over time and started trying to get a rise out of him, never worked until sometime near puberty it did. But instead of punching or headbutting someone lightning came from a clear sky and lit the bullies up like a Christmas tree. Only one died but that was enough. His parents contacted a mercenary friend of their who knew people who knew people who could teach him to control his powers, for Adaar this seemed like a punishment for breaking the one rule his parents always insisted he obey. Their goodbyes were rushed and Adaar would always recall that his mother wasn't even looking at him but rather down towards the village. Six months later he returned, his teacher having deemed him safe enough for a brief unsupervised trip, and he found his house burned down and what remained of his father amongst the wreckage. What Adaar didn't know at the time was that at more or less the same time he attacked his tormentors his parents had received word that the mayor was on his deathbed. The realized the writing was on the wall and the plan was to send Adaar of on one path and lead the angry villagers of on a wild goose chase before meeting back up with the Valo-Kas. The angry villagers arrived too soon though and caught the Adaars as they were preparing to leave. Adaar's first impulse was to go and murder everyone in the village but he quickly rejected him, neither his parents nor his new tutor would approve such rash action. Instead he very deliberately burned down the barn that held the winter surplus. Adaar never found his mother's remains and he likes to think that she escaped somehow. Adaar's tutor was a rarity: an old mercenary. As soon as he finished training Adaar to what he deemed an acceptable level he cashed out, bought a boat and sailed to parts unknown. Adaar was considered a competent mage but a bit dour when compared to his forebear. His stolid reliability made him a good pick for leadership position though and over time he learned to unwind just a tiiiny bit and how charisma can grease the wheels. From their work for nobles Adaar discarded the concept of honor, if the choice was send a 100 men to die in 'honorable' battle or kill one man underhandedly he would always pick the underhanded method. He isn't particularly ambitious, which is another reason leadership likes him for whatever amounts to mercenary middle-management, he liked building stuff up into the best, most efficient form it can take but he's unlikely to start anything on his own. By the time of the Conclave he's crafted his unit into an lean, agile, adaptable unit who are quite fond of their captain even if they don't entirely get him or understand what someone so understated is doing in a mercenary outfit. Miscellaneous:
- He keeps a sketchbook/journal where the margins are a mix of doodles, decoration, ciphered messages and hints to cipher's keys. He doesn't really expect anyone to read it so their just random thoughts but he likes working on the cipher. - He had a thing with Kaariss but found him exhausting. - He enjoys reading and is making up for the difficulties of maintaining books while in a mercenary company now that he's joined the Inquisition. - He has a nervous tick where he counts the words of whoever he's speaking to on his fingers. - He fondles his left horn (the one with the jewel in it) when he's deep in thought. - Only his left horn is actually broken, he got the other one gilded for symmetry. - When he gets angry he gets quiet(er). - The Qunari are implied to have some kind of primalness to them or rage or something (I'm pretty sure someone implied this at some point) Adaar is so repressed though that the only time this manifests is during fights (like, life threatening ones not the lame ones) and sex. - He likes to lounge around naked in his Skyhold chambers, people generally knock now. - As the Inquisition grows in power and prestige he gains an appreciation for the finer things in life. - He has set up ambushes for templars who come looking for mages among the Qunari mercenaries. - His focus on control means his magic isn't as powerful as it could be but he considers the tradeoff worth it. - He doesn't like children. - Cookie glutton. - Is a cat person. - He probably wouldn't admit it if you asked but he kind of like the Game. I like your guy. Wish I could play a Qunari Hawke... mmmgh...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 21:37:11 GMT
So only a Slytherin is an asshole enough to explode a Church full of people? So much for 'not every Slytherin is an evil' claim. I didn't know 'asshole' was a house trait. I thought anyone from any house could be an asshole. Making the church explode does not make you sneaky or cunning. Yes, it requires sabotage to bring in the explosives, but you don't have to be Slytherin to be able to plot an explosive device. Anyone from any house is capable of that. Anders destroys the Church for the Greater Good - the way Dumbledore manipulates and sends great many people to death, including himself. To him the need for justice prevails over the cost of life. That is a Gryffindor concept. It's not the fact that he made the Church explode - it's the reasons WhY he made it explode. His reasons point to Gryffindor because he did it for a cause and justice to stop the oppression. Ok.slowly again: No, Slytherins are not assholes and not evil. And yes, Anders says, he did it for the greater good, but apart from Dumbledore most Gryffindors we met in the books did prefer the direct approach - a Gryffindor might have murdered Meredith or Elthina in the open street and be martyred for it - it isn't nicer and better, it is a different approach. And I do see, where you and Catilina and @carefull are coming from. I did say. I'm unsure about which traits might come from Justice (the greater good sounds more of a spirit of justice than DAA Anders tbh) and which from Anders. And how do you differentiate houses in this scenario? That Slytherins go for the wide scale destruction and Gryffindor only assassinate single targets? So, if you blow up the Church you're snake and if you single assassinate your Gryffindor? I don't think that's what defines the houses. The reason WHY he did it remains. Anders bore little love for Meredith and Elthina, but he didn't see them as the ultimate problem - he saw the Church and an unjust system as a problem. He wasn't as shallow as assuming that one individual was responsible. He made an attack on a large social institution because that's what he perceived as the problem. If he wanted to push for a social change, he had to make a wide scale attack that would have implications. Assassinating a single person wouldn't have been enough for his cause. Slytherin wouldn't have put themselves in this position anyway. If Anders was Slytherin, he would have operated like Josephine. AMBITION would have been defined by taking control as the leading figure of that underground network present in Kirkwall (not dangling around it and occasionally assisting). Just wanting to be a part of a big cause doesn't make you ambitious, it's how you go about it. He would have forged alliances with the other cities/continents, not just operated locally and would have sought to secure better connections for the mages through secret channels. That network had the potential to grow with a mastermind behind it. But, instead it withered and died. It's not Anders' fault and it could have failed as well with a Slytherin approach, but the way he played his part is not Slytherin. Destroying the Church was an act of desperation because Meredith began winning over the years.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2017 21:48:59 GMT
Started my first game in over a year and it feels like home. I'm putting this in spoiler tags since it got loooong. Personality:
Quiet, reserved, thoughtful, methodical, deliberate, analytical, pragmatic. He takes full responsibility for things he considers to be under his purview (not in the way heroes often do where they turn themselves into martyrs over mistakes/tragedies only tangentially related to them or their action tho) and he finds literally being the only person capable of closing the rifts and later the leader of the Inquisition a pretty heavy burden. He never shares since he considers "project an aura of quiet confidence, competence and reassurance" under his purview (he sees it as a flaw/crack in his reserve and the more he shares the wider it'd get and the harder it'd be to close back up). He finds... other means of release. He occasionally seems like he makes rash decisions but everything he does comes after a cost/benefit analysis, occasionally this results in inaction as he's too busy considering all the variables and the situation moves on without him. This has cost him in the past. He prefers diplomacy over intrigue and intrigue over open confrontation, what he likes the most is diplomacy with the an ace up his sleeve in the form of blackmail/information that allows him to outmaneuver them/putting them off balance by casually revealing information he shouldn't have etc. Tragic backstory:
When his mother and father escaped they wound up near a little coastal village where they met a recent arrival, an ambitious farmer who thought he'd hire two giant ox people to pull his plows or whatever. It wound up being more of partnership, Adaar's father was the same kind of methodical as he is but with a swashbuckler's charisma on top of it so he steered merchants towards the farmer with a mix of charm and intimidation. His mother had a freakishly green thumb and the farmer turned over frankly unfair amounts of crops with her overseeing things. She's actually a hedge mage with a very narrow focus on plants, not in Keeper way with giant murderroots rather in the "Wow, I've never quite seen that shade of cerulean before" "This crop of elfroot you grew is weirdly effective" and "Did that blossom just... chime?" kind of way. So the ambitious farmer got rich relatively quickly and used his wealth to build up the village, naturally he became mayor. He thanked the Adaars with a generous stipend and a plot of land somewhat removed from the village. The villagers treated them well as the respected mayor liked them, Pa'daar would fish and work in their little orchard while Ma'daar became the village's herbwoman. Adaar was born and by the time he was old enough to play with the other children his mother and father had become quite content with their life but the occasional close call when a crop went bad or there was a stillbirth and the villagers went looking for a scapegoat made them aware of how precarious there situation really was, even with the mayor. They were eager to preserve the status quo and would drill into Adaar that he was bigger and stronger than the other children and that he needed to be extremely careful around them. This made him a wee bit neurotic over time. Since kids are dicks they noticed Adaar's passivity over time and started trying to get a rise out of him, never worked until sometime near puberty it did. But instead of punching or headbutting someone lightning came from a clear sky and lit the bullies up like a Christmas tree. Only one died but that was enough. His parents contacted a mercenary friend of their who knew people who knew people who could teach him to control his powers, for Adaar this seemed like a punishment for breaking the one rule his parents always insisted he obey. Their goodbyes were rushed and Adaar would always recall that his mother wasn't even looking at him but rather down towards the village. Six months later he returned, his teacher having deemed him safe enough for a brief unsupervised trip, and he found his house burned down and what remained of his father amongst the wreckage. What Adaar didn't know at the time was that at more or less the same time he attacked his tormentors his parents had received word that the mayor was on his deathbed. The realized the writing was on the wall and the plan was to send Adaar of on one path and lead the angry villagers of on a wild goose chase before meeting back up with the Valo-Kas. The angry villagers arrived too soon though and caught the Adaars as they were preparing to leave. Adaar's first impulse was to go and murder everyone in the village but he quickly rejected him, neither his parents nor his new tutor would approve such rash action. Instead he very deliberately burned down the barn that held the winter surplus. Adaar never found his mother's remains and he likes to think that she escaped somehow. Adaar's tutor was a rarity: an old mercenary. As soon as he finished training Adaar to what he deemed an acceptable level he cashed out, bought a boat and sailed to parts unknown. Adaar was considered a competent mage but a bit dour when compared to his forebear. His stolid reliability made him a good pick for leadership position though and over time he learned to unwind just a tiiiny bit and how charisma can grease the wheels. From their work for nobles Adaar discarded the concept of honor, if the choice was send a 100 men to die in 'honorable' battle or kill one man underhandedly he would always pick the underhanded method. He isn't particularly ambitious, which is another reason leadership likes him for whatever amounts to mercenary middle-management, he liked building stuff up into the best, most efficient form it can take but he's unlikely to start anything on his own. By the time of the Conclave he's crafted his unit into an lean, agile, adaptable unit who are quite fond of their captain even if they don't entirely get him or understand what someone so understated is doing in a mercenary outfit. Miscellaneous:
- He keeps a sketchbook/journal where the margins are a mix of doodles, decoration, ciphered messages and hints to cipher's keys. He doesn't really expect anyone to read it so their just random thoughts but he likes working on the cipher. - He had a thing with Kaariss but found him exhausting. - He enjoys reading and is making up for the difficulties of maintaining books while in a mercenary company now that he's joined the Inquisition. - He has a nervous tick where he counts the words of whoever he's speaking to on his fingers. - He fondles his left horn (the one with the jewel in it) when he's deep in thought. - Only his left horn is actually broken, he got the other one gilded for symmetry. - When he gets angry he gets quiet(er). - The Qunari are implied to have some kind of primalness to them or rage or something (I'm pretty sure someone implied this at some point) Adaar is so repressed though that the only time this manifests is during fights (like, life threatening ones not the lame ones) and sex. - He likes to lounge around naked in his Skyhold chambers, people generally knock now. - As the Inquisition grows in power and prestige he gains an appreciation for the finer things in life. - He has set up ambushes for templars who come looking for mages among the Qunari mercenaries. - His focus on control means his magic isn't as powerful as it could be but he considers the tradeoff worth it. - He doesn't like children. - Cookie glutton. - Is a cat person. - He probably wouldn't admit it if you asked but he kind of like the Game. Beautiful!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:04:27 GMT
I like Anders too, there are only 3 companions in DA. I dislike, and Anders is not among them. And I love Vivienne and she is clearly Slytherin, so no, that has nothing to do with it. I don't want to fight with you about something so silly, maybe we just agree to disagree and leave it be All right, but as a RavenPuff, I think you got your Slytherins and Gryffindors mixed up because you don't identify much with them. I have the same trouble labeling Hufflepuffs since I have next to nothing in common with them. As a SlytherClaw, however, I do know a snake when I see one and Anders most assuredly isn't it. But, since we both have emphasis on the Raven part of our hybrids, it would be logical for us not to fight.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 7, 2017 22:28:05 GMT
Started my first game in over a year and it feels like home. I'm putting this in spoiler tags since it got loooong. Personality:
Quiet, reserved, thoughtful, methodical, deliberate, analytical, pragmatic. He takes full responsibility for things he considers to be under his purview (not in the way heroes often do where they turn themselves into martyrs over mistakes/tragedies only tangentially related to them or their action tho) and he finds literally being the only person capable of closing the rifts and later the leader of the Inquisition a pretty heavy burden. He never shares since he considers "project an aura of quiet confidence, competence and reassurance" under his purview (he sees it as a flaw/crack in his reserve and the more he shares the wider it'd get and the harder it'd be to close back up). He finds... other means of release. He occasionally seems like he makes rash decisions but everything he does comes after a cost/benefit analysis, occasionally this results in inaction as he's too busy considering all the variables and the situation moves on without him. This has cost him in the past. He prefers diplomacy over intrigue and intrigue over open confrontation, what he likes the most is diplomacy with the an ace up his sleeve in the form of blackmail/information that allows him to outmaneuver them/putting them off balance by casually revealing information he shouldn't have etc. Tragic backstory:
When his mother and father escaped they wound up near a little coastal village where they met a recent arrival, an ambitious farmer who thought he'd hire two giant ox people to pull his plows or whatever. It wound up being more of partnership, Adaar's father was the same kind of methodical as he is but with a swashbuckler's charisma on top of it so he steered merchants towards the farmer with a mix of charm and intimidation. His mother had a freakishly green thumb and the farmer turned over frankly unfair amounts of crops with her overseeing things. She's actually a hedge mage with a very narrow focus on plants, not in Keeper way with giant murderroots rather in the "Wow, I've never quite seen that shade of cerulean before" "This crop of elfroot you grew is weirdly effective" and "Did that blossom just... chime?" kind of way. So the ambitious farmer got rich relatively quickly and used his wealth to build up the village, naturally he became mayor. He thanked the Adaars with a generous stipend and a plot of land somewhat removed from the village. The villagers treated them well as the respected mayor liked them, Pa'daar would fish and work in their little orchard while Ma'daar became the village's herbwoman. Adaar was born and by the time he was old enough to play with the other children his mother and father had become quite content with their life but the occasional close call when a crop went bad or there was a stillbirth and the villagers went looking for a scapegoat made them aware of how precarious there situation really was, even with the mayor. They were eager to preserve the status quo and would drill into Adaar that he was bigger and stronger than the other children and that he needed to be extremely careful around them. This made him a wee bit neurotic over time. Since kids are dicks they noticed Adaar's passivity over time and started trying to get a rise out of him, never worked until sometime near puberty it did. But instead of punching or headbutting someone lightning came from a clear sky and lit the bullies up like a Christmas tree. Only one died but that was enough. His parents contacted a mercenary friend of their who knew people who knew people who could teach him to control his powers, for Adaar this seemed like a punishment for breaking the one rule his parents always insisted he obey. Their goodbyes were rushed and Adaar would always recall that his mother wasn't even looking at him but rather down towards the village. Six months later he returned, his teacher having deemed him safe enough for a brief unsupervised trip, and he found his house burned down and what remained of his father amongst the wreckage. What Adaar didn't know at the time was that at more or less the same time he attacked his tormentors his parents had received word that the mayor was on his deathbed. The realized the writing was on the wall and the plan was to send Adaar of on one path and lead the angry villagers of on a wild goose chase before meeting back up with the Valo-Kas. The angry villagers arrived too soon though and caught the Adaars as they were preparing to leave. Adaar's first impulse was to go and murder everyone in the village but he quickly rejected him, neither his parents nor his new tutor would approve such rash action. Instead he very deliberately burned down the barn that held the winter surplus. Adaar never found his mother's remains and he likes to think that she escaped somehow. Adaar's tutor was a rarity: an old mercenary. As soon as he finished training Adaar to what he deemed an acceptable level he cashed out, bought a boat and sailed to parts unknown. Adaar was considered a competent mage but a bit dour when compared to his forebear. His stolid reliability made him a good pick for leadership position though and over time he learned to unwind just a tiiiny bit and how charisma can grease the wheels. From their work for nobles Adaar discarded the concept of honor, if the choice was send a 100 men to die in 'honorable' battle or kill one man underhandedly he would always pick the underhanded method. He isn't particularly ambitious, which is another reason leadership likes him for whatever amounts to mercenary middle-management, he liked building stuff up into the best, most efficient form it can take but he's unlikely to start anything on his own. By the time of the Conclave he's crafted his unit into an lean, agile, adaptable unit who are quite fond of their captain even if they don't entirely get him or understand what someone so understated is doing in a mercenary outfit. Miscellaneous:
- He keeps a sketchbook/journal where the margins are a mix of doodles, decoration, ciphered messages and hints to cipher's keys. He doesn't really expect anyone to read it so their just random thoughts but he likes working on the cipher. - He had a thing with Kaariss but found him exhausting. - He enjoys reading and is making up for the difficulties of maintaining books while in a mercenary company now that he's joined the Inquisition. - He has a nervous tick where he counts the words of whoever he's speaking to on his fingers. - He fondles his left horn (the one with the jewel in it) when he's deep in thought. - Only his left horn is actually broken, he got the other one gilded for symmetry. - When he gets angry he gets quiet(er). - The Qunari are implied to have some kind of primalness to them or rage or something (I'm pretty sure someone implied this at some point) Adaar is so repressed though that the only time this manifests is during fights (like, life threatening ones not the lame ones) and sex. - He likes to lounge around naked in his Skyhold chambers, people generally knock now. - As the Inquisition grows in power and prestige he gains an appreciation for the finer things in life. - He has set up ambushes for templars who come looking for mages among the Qunari mercenaries. - His focus on control means his magic isn't as powerful as it could be but he considers the tradeoff worth it. - He doesn't like children. - Cookie glutton. - Is a cat person. - He probably wouldn't admit it if you asked but he kind of like the Game. Love this character - you should put his background into a story
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:28:15 GMT
In the Circle, he probably used his humour/charm to survive. "Manipulated" Irving to see him harmless? But he was harmless (in this time), just wanted to live freely. I don't think he even promised, he will never try again to escape. Just because he has charm, doesn't mean he would be willing to use it on the Templars or Irving. The way he talks to the Warden is very different to the way he talks to the Templars. He doesn't want to be nice or charming to the enemy. So, even if he has this skill, it wouldn't be made use of because he's too hurt and angry. I think when Anders gets caught, his reaction would be, 'You guys are terrible, imprisoning me and trampling on my rights. There's nothing I can say or do against this injustice, so just do your worst!' Informing someone who holds power over you that they're forever your enemy doesn't prompt them to be benevolent. In retrospect, a Slytherin would crank up their charm two notches if they got caught in order to lessen the punishment. The fact that he rejects using this resource at a critical moment, makes me think he isn't Slytherin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 22:31:24 GMT
Started my first game in over a year and it feels like home. I'm putting this in spoiler tags since it got loooong. Personality:
Quiet, reserved, thoughtful, methodical, deliberate, analytical, pragmatic. He takes full responsibility for things he considers to be under his purview (not in the way heroes often do where they turn themselves into martyrs over mistakes/tragedies only tangentially related to them or their action tho) and he finds literally being the only person capable of closing the rifts and later the leader of the Inquisition a pretty heavy burden. He never shares since he considers "project an aura of quiet confidence, competence and reassurance" under his purview (he sees it as a flaw/crack in his reserve and the more he shares the wider it'd get and the harder it'd be to close back up). He finds... other means of release. He occasionally seems like he makes rash decisions but everything he does comes after a cost/benefit analysis, occasionally this results in inaction as he's too busy considering all the variables and the situation moves on without him. This has cost him in the past. He prefers diplomacy over intrigue and intrigue over open confrontation, what he likes the most is diplomacy with the an ace up his sleeve in the form of blackmail/information that allows him to outmaneuver them/putting them off balance by casually revealing information he shouldn't have etc. Tragic backstory:
When his mother and father escaped they wound up near a little coastal village where they met a recent arrival, an ambitious farmer who thought he'd hire two giant ox people to pull his plows or whatever. It wound up being more of partnership, Adaar's father was the same kind of methodical as he is but with a swashbuckler's charisma on top of it so he steered merchants towards the farmer with a mix of charm and intimidation. His mother had a freakishly green thumb and the farmer turned over frankly unfair amounts of crops with her overseeing things. She's actually a hedge mage with a very narrow focus on plants, not in Keeper way with giant murderroots rather in the "Wow, I've never quite seen that shade of cerulean before" "This crop of elfroot you grew is weirdly effective" and "Did that blossom just... chime?" kind of way. So the ambitious farmer got rich relatively quickly and used his wealth to build up the village, naturally he became mayor. He thanked the Adaars with a generous stipend and a plot of land somewhat removed from the village. The villagers treated them well as the respected mayor liked them, Pa'daar would fish and work in their little orchard while Ma'daar became the village's herbwoman. Adaar was born and by the time he was old enough to play with the other children his mother and father had become quite content with their life but the occasional close call when a crop went bad or there was a stillbirth and the villagers went looking for a scapegoat made them aware of how precarious there situation really was, even with the mayor. They were eager to preserve the status quo and would drill into Adaar that he was bigger and stronger than the other children and that he needed to be extremely careful around them. This made him a wee bit neurotic over time. Since kids are dicks they noticed Adaar's passivity over time and started trying to get a rise out of him, never worked until sometime near puberty it did. But instead of punching or headbutting someone lightning came from a clear sky and lit the bullies up like a Christmas tree. Only one died but that was enough. His parents contacted a mercenary friend of their who knew people who knew people who could teach him to control his powers, for Adaar this seemed like a punishment for breaking the one rule his parents always insisted he obey. Their goodbyes were rushed and Adaar would always recall that his mother wasn't even looking at him but rather down towards the village. Six months later he returned, his teacher having deemed him safe enough for a brief unsupervised trip, and he found his house burned down and what remained of his father amongst the wreckage. What Adaar didn't know at the time was that at more or less the same time he attacked his tormentors his parents had received word that the mayor was on his deathbed. The realized the writing was on the wall and the plan was to send Adaar of on one path and lead the angry villagers of on a wild goose chase before meeting back up with the Valo-Kas. The angry villagers arrived too soon though and caught the Adaars as they were preparing to leave. Adaar's first impulse was to go and murder everyone in the village but he quickly rejected him, neither his parents nor his new tutor would approve such rash action. Instead he very deliberately burned down the barn that held the winter surplus. Adaar never found his mother's remains and he likes to think that she escaped somehow. Adaar's tutor was a rarity: an old mercenary. As soon as he finished training Adaar to what he deemed an acceptable level he cashed out, bought a boat and sailed to parts unknown. Adaar was considered a competent mage but a bit dour when compared to his forebear. His stolid reliability made him a good pick for leadership position though and over time he learned to unwind just a tiiiny bit and how charisma can grease the wheels. From their work for nobles Adaar discarded the concept of honor, if the choice was send a 100 men to die in 'honorable' battle or kill one man underhandedly he would always pick the underhanded method. He isn't particularly ambitious, which is another reason leadership likes him for whatever amounts to mercenary middle-management, he liked building stuff up into the best, most efficient form it can take but he's unlikely to start anything on his own. By the time of the Conclave he's crafted his unit into an lean, agile, adaptable unit who are quite fond of their captain even if they don't entirely get him or understand what someone so understated is doing in a mercenary outfit. Miscellaneous:
- He keeps a sketchbook/journal where the margins are a mix of doodles, decoration, ciphered messages and hints to cipher's keys. He doesn't really expect anyone to read it so their just random thoughts but he likes working on the cipher. - He had a thing with Kaariss but found him exhausting. - He enjoys reading and is making up for the difficulties of maintaining books while in a mercenary company now that he's joined the Inquisition. - He has a nervous tick where he counts the words of whoever he's speaking to on his fingers. - He fondles his left horn (the one with the jewel in it) when he's deep in thought. - Only his left horn is actually broken, he got the other one gilded for symmetry. - When he gets angry he gets quiet(er). - The Qunari are implied to have some kind of primalness to them or rage or something (I'm pretty sure someone implied this at some point) Adaar is so repressed though that the only time this manifests is during fights (like, life threatening ones not the lame ones) and sex. - He likes to lounge around naked in his Skyhold chambers, people generally knock now. - As the Inquisition grows in power and prestige he gains an appreciation for the finer things in life. - He has set up ambushes for templars who come looking for mages among the Qunari mercenaries. - His focus on control means his magic isn't as powerful as it could be but he considers the tradeoff worth it. - He doesn't like children. - Cookie glutton. - Is a cat person. - He probably wouldn't admit it if you asked but he kind of like the Game. Is this a mod appearance or have you used the vanilla game? It's a really good look.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 7, 2017 22:32:15 GMT
I like Anders too, there are only 3 companions in DA. I dislike, and Anders is not among them. And I love Vivienne and she is clearly Slytherin, so no, that has nothing to do with it. I don't want to fight with you about something so silly, maybe we just agree to disagree and leave it be All right, but as a RavenPuff, I think you got your Slytherins and Gryffindors mixed up because you don't identify much with them. I could say the same to you - but the truth is, we probably only have different opinions about what is what and that is perfectly ok No, I don't want to fight either, as I said above, those things are not hammered in stone and everyone has different approaches to traits like cunning, ambition, valor, intelligence, loyality, mostly based on personal experience, so we shouldn't take those discussions too serious
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