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Post by Rascoth on Jan 5, 2018 0:58:30 GMT
Overall mage/templar choice suffers because how ally/conscript is portrayed in game... and how insignificant it is outside approval.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 1:00:20 GMT
I don't care. The Templars demonstrate loyalty and gratitude to their saviour. The mages are blasted ingrates who can't even say thanks for getting saved from their own stupidity. There is an overload of obviously very important 'PROBLEMS' at the War Table with mages whining about EVERYTHING and stirring all sort of shit at Skyhold. Apparently, even the bed bugs are reason enough to start a rebellion against Inquisition. Their whining about EVERYTHING pisses me off. The Templars should be grateful. They got a chance to redeem themselves. They rebelled, not loyal. And their duty is to fight against the demons. They choose their way. The Inquisition saves them too, not only the mages. Fiona says thanks. And exactly that, what I tried to say: they suggest the allied Mages are all assholes, so the Mages deserve prison, while the Templars are pretty good boys. The mages should be grateful for getting their asses saved from Tevinter mind controlling slavery AND receiving a solid protection/place to live at the very least while they're getting their shit together and figuring out how to solve their problems. This is a direct opportunity for them to display that they can be a self-sufficient and trusted power, and all they do is squander it by complaining about petty crap like mud on their shoes AND blaming Inquisitor for the mud on their shoes too. They behave like the Inquisitor owes the something. They were ungrateful bastards to Redcliffe, whining how nobody friended them when they had the protection of one of the most influential people in Ferelden, and repaying that kindness by kicking Teagan out of his own castle, and they're ungrateful bastards towards Inquisition. Twice the ingrates. Inquisitor's Chores List: a) save people in west approach from a dragon defeat corypheus c) address mage complaint that they ran out of soap, which is for some fking reason associated with slavery (obviously the most important one)
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 5, 2018 1:01:29 GMT
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Post by Catilina on Jan 5, 2018 1:06:50 GMT
The Templars should be grateful. They got a chance to redeem themselves. They rebelled, not loyal. And their duty is to fight against the demons. They choose their way. The Inquisition saves them too, not only the mages. Fiona says thanks.
And exactly that, what I tried to say: they suggest the allied Mages are all assholes, so the Mages deserve prison, while the Templars are pretty good boys. The mages should be grateful for getting their asses saved from Tevinter mind controlling slavery AND receiving a solid protection/place to live at the very least while they're getting their shit together and figuring out how to solve their problems. This is a direct opportunity for them to display that they can be a self-sufficient and trusted power, and all they do is squander it by complaining about petty crap like mud on their shoes AND blaming Inquisitor for the mud on their shoes too. They behave like the Inquisitor owes the something. They were ungrateful bastards to Redcliffe, whining how nobody friended them when they had the protection of one of the most influential people in Ferelden, and repaying that kindness by kicking Teagan out of his own castle, and they're ungrateful bastards towards Inquisition. Twice the ingrates. Inquisitor's Chores List: a) save people in west approach from a dragon defeat corypheus c) address mage complaint that they ran out of soap, which is for some fking reason associated with slavery (obviously the most important one) Because they deserve soap. Everyone deserves soap. (Of course, except the Templars – but they should stay away!) I wouldn't not against to conscript the Mages (would be logical). My problem is "You are our prisoners", when the Templars: "You can be our knight"... No. I don't mind if the Mages don't like the bed bugs. I admit I'm also not into them. What Alexius spoke about, is not exactly slavery, I suppose. This conscript, and work for Tevinter for the right of the full citizenship.
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Post by pavellaning on Jan 5, 2018 1:09:23 GMT
Overall mage/templar choice suffers because how ally/conscript is portrayed in game... and how insignificant it is outside approval. Indeed there ought to have been consequences and long-standing ones outside of a few short dialogues and approval changes. *sighs*
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Post by Catilina on Jan 5, 2018 1:18:54 GMT
Overall mage/templar choice suffers because how ally/conscript is portrayed in game... and how insignificant it is outside approval. The principle is the point. But of course, I want to see some terrible thing: the Mages become abominations and eat the Inquisitor's blessed hand and perform some blood ritual before the feast... for example.
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Overall mage/templar choice suffers because how ally/conscript is portrayed in game... and how insignificant it is outside approval. It just bugs me so much that if you ask the Templars to merge into Inq, it's a perfectly reasonable choice and nobody cries that Templars are being imprisoned. But, if you do exactly the same thing with the mages it gets called slavery. Same shit transfers down to the insignificant household issues. If the Templars run out of soap, then well it's normal. You know life's tuff, everyone's poor. You're lucky to have walls to hide behind and a blanket. If the Haaaven forbid mages run out of soap than NOOOOOOOOOOO it's slavery!! You bad Inquisitor are treating mages worse than slaves. You are baaaadd! This is a sign that you obviously want to restore all the circles and drag all the mages back into them kicking and screaming! mwuhahaha... Wait no... seriously... wtf... The mages' fate depends heavily on who the Inquisitor chooses as the Divine at the end of the game. All three choices are available no matter who you side with. Which side they ally with is not as important. I like it this way because this gives me the opportunity to ally with the Templars. No matter how much the mages annoy me, when it comes down to it, they really are being oppressed, no way around it. There have to be severe changes. Had the Templars alliance blocked for example Leliana choice, this would be extremely lame because I'd be stuck allying with a side so far I found unpleasant. I'm highly grateful that allying with Templars does not automatically mean that it's your deepest desire to enslave all the mages across the Thedas. You can ally Templars and put Leli in power.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 5, 2018 1:29:07 GMT
Overall mage/templar choice suffers because how ally/conscript is portrayed in game... and how insignificant it is outside approval. It just bugs me so much that if you ask the Templars to merge into Inq, it's a perfectly reasonable choice and nobody cries that Templars are being imprisoned. But, if you do exactly the same thing with the mages it gets called slavery. Same shit transfers down to the insignificant household issues. If the Templars run out of soap, then well it's normal. You know life's tuff, everyone's poor. You're lucky to have walls to hide behind and a blanket. If the Haaaven forbid mages run out of soap than NOOOOOOOOOOO it's slavery!! You bad Inquisitor are treating mages worse than slaves. You are baaaadd! This is a sign that you obviously want to restore all the circles and drag all the mages back into them kicking and screaming! mwuhahaha... Wait no... seriously... wtf... The mages' fate depends heavily on who the Inquisitor chooses as the Divine at the end of the game. All three choices are available no matter who you side with. Which side they ally with is not as important. I like it this way because this gives me the opportunity to ally with the Templars. No matter how much the mages annoy me, when it comes down to it, they really are being oppressed, no way around it. There have to be severe changes. Had the Templars alliance blocked for example Leliana choice, this would be extremely lame because I'd be stuck allying with a side so far I found unpleasant. I'm highly grateful that allying with Templars does not automatically mean that it's your deepest desire to enslave all the mages across the Thedas. You can ally Templars and put Leli in power. The Templars are victims too. Yes. But the Order is corrupt, must be destroyed, and the Templars can be very happy inside the Inquisition. "You can be our knights" (or something similar). Nobody says they are prisoners. They are still knights. The Mages "our prisoners". This is what bugs me. A lot. Why not our recruits? Mage knights? Whatever. But why prisoners again?
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Overall mage/templar choice suffers because how ally/conscript is portrayed in game... and how insignificant it is outside approval. The principle is the point. But of course, I want to see some terrible thing: the Mages become abominations and eat the Inquisitor's blessed hand and perform some blood ritual before the feast... for example. Oh yea! Well I demand to be treated better than you because you have oppressed me. Everyone owes me presents because of this and when it's cold outside, I shall have two blankets and you shall have none, else, you're a wicked slaver and bad bad person.
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Post by melbella on Jan 5, 2018 1:33:25 GMT
adonniel Wicked Grace has nothing to do with Blackwall. I left him in prison and still got the scene. You have to have done Here Lies the Abyss and Well, Shit. Then talk to Varric a lot.
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adonniel Wicked Grace has nothing to do with Blackwall. I left him in prison and still got the scene. You have to have done Here Lies the Abyss and Well, Shit. Then talk to Varric a lot. I've done all those quests, used up all conversation options and his approval is high. Still nothing triggered. In this game nothing triggers in general, no romance, no Sera pranks, no wicked grace. I thought I've met all the requirements, but for some reason nothing triggers. I was counting on this play through to be highly energetic and have a lot of jokes as well as innuendo, but it's dull as a dead fish. Made me feel like my Inq hadn't accomplished any goals, aside from learning that merging mages into Inq will not be my good world template, nor will I play another game with this choice. It felt like a waste of a game. I will still try mages as free allies though.
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It just bugs me so much that if you ask the Templars to merge into Inq, it's a perfectly reasonable choice and nobody cries that Templars are being imprisoned. But, if you do exactly the same thing with the mages it gets called slavery. Same shit transfers down to the insignificant household issues. If the Templars run out of soap, then well it's normal. You know life's tuff, everyone's poor. You're lucky to have walls to hide behind and a blanket. If the Haaaven forbid mages run out of soap than NOOOOOOOOOOO it's slavery!! You bad Inquisitor are treating mages worse than slaves. You are baaaadd! This is a sign that you obviously want to restore all the circles and drag all the mages back into them kicking and screaming! mwuhahaha... Wait no... seriously... wtf... The mages' fate depends heavily on who the Inquisitor chooses as the Divine at the end of the game. All three choices are available no matter who you side with. Which side they ally with is not as important. I like it this way because this gives me the opportunity to ally with the Templars. No matter how much the mages annoy me, when it comes down to it, they really are being oppressed, no way around it. There have to be severe changes. Had the Templars alliance blocked for example Leliana choice, this would be extremely lame because I'd be stuck allying with a side so far I found unpleasant. I'm highly grateful that allying with Templars does not automatically mean that it's your deepest desire to enslave all the mages across the Thedas. You can ally Templars and put Leli in power. The Templars are victims too. Yes. But the Order is corrupt, must be destroyed, and the Templars can be very happy inside the Inquisition. "You can be our knights" (or something similar). Nobody says they are prisoners. They are still knights. The Mages "our prisoners". This is what bugs me. A lot. Why not our recruits? Mage knights? Whatever. But why prisoners again?This fact bugs me too, but it bugs me as hypocrisy against Templars not mages. The whole argument is how everyone should be treated as equally as possible. Except the mages demand to be treated better than others. It's ok to perform an action against one group (templars), not not ok against another (mages).
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Post by Catilina on Jan 5, 2018 2:26:42 GMT
The Templars are victims too. Yes. But the Order is corrupt, must be destroyed, and the Templars can be very happy inside the Inquisition. "You can be our knights" (or something similar). Nobody says they are prisoners. They are still knights. The Mages "our prisoners". This is what bugs me. A lot. Why not our recruits? Mage knights? Whatever. But why prisoners again?This fact bugs me too, but it bugs me as hypocrisy against Templars not mages. The whole argument is how everyone should be treated as equally as possible. Except the mages demand to be treated better than others. It's ok to perform an action against one group (templars), not not ok against another (mages). I get it. And again: the game presents the mages as idiots when presents the Templars as good guys. The Mages were prisoners in their whole life. I don't think they would be so demanding. They never were equal. Always was my problem, they tried to present them as some equally good or bad things, as in DA2: Meredith against Orsino, but there was nothing about Meredith against Orsino: Orsino was never Meredith's partner in the game. The Mages and the Templars weren't equal partners in the Chantry's game. And now again: the Mages rebelled because they wanted to be free. The Templars rebelled because they demanded more honour. And Templars choose their fate. They are victims too, but even aggressors. This isn't hypocrisy.
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This fact bugs me too, but it bugs me as hypocrisy against Templars not mages. The whole argument is how everyone should be treated as equally as possible. Except the mages demand to be treated better than others. It's ok to perform an action against one group (templars), not not ok against another (mages). I get it. And again: the game presents the mages as idiots when presents the Templars as good guys. The Mages were prisoners in their whole life. I don't think they would be so demanding. They never were equal. Always was my problem, they tried to present them as some equally good or bad things, as in DA2: Meredith against Orsino, but there was nothing about Meredith against Orsino: Orsino was never Meredith's partner in the game. The Mages and the Templars weren't equal partners in the Chantry's game. And now again: the Mages rebelled because they wanted to be free. The Templars rebelled because they demanded more honour. And Templars choose their fate. They are victims too, but even aggressors. This isn't hypocrisy. You're always seeking all sorts of excuses for the shit the mages perform. I really don't feel like going over the same old mill for a 100th time. Some people don't feel the same way you do. Get over it already. I like Templars and don't feel like being constantly criticized about this choice.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 5, 2018 3:40:55 GMT
I get it. And again: the game presents the mages as idiots when presents the Templars as good guys. The Mages were prisoners in their whole life. I don't think they would be so demanding. They never were equal. Always was my problem, they tried to present them as some equally good or bad things, as in DA2: Meredith against Orsino, but there was nothing about Meredith against Orsino: Orsino was never Meredith's partner in the game. The Mages and the Templars weren't equal partners in the Chantry's game. And now again: the Mages rebelled because they wanted to be free. The Templars rebelled because they demanded more honour. And Templars choose their fate. They are victims too, but even aggressors. This isn't hypocrisy. You're always seeking all sorts of excuses for the shit the mages perform. I really don't feel like going over the same old mill for a 100th time. Some people don't feel the same way you do. Get over it already. I like Templars and don't feel like being constantly criticized about this choice. I don't criticize your choice, I criticize the presentation this situation. The presentation, according to which the oppressed are equally blameable than the oppressor. In fact, they're deserved what happened with them, because if they earn their freedom, they "sell" themselves into "slavery", and if someone saves them, they become ungrateful. Your choice is okay, according to the game, it's very pragmatic solution. And of course, Ser Barris is a good person (I didn't hear bad things about him), and probably more reasonable than Fiona (sadly... again...). And I like to read. Sorry.
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You're always seeking all sorts of excuses for the shit the mages perform. I really don't feel like going over the same old mill for a 100th time. Some people don't feel the same way you do. Get over it already. I like Templars and don't feel like being constantly criticized about this choice. I don't criticize your choice, I criticize the presentation this situation. The presentation, according to which the oppressed are equally blameable than the oppressor. In fact, they're deserved what happened with them, because if they earn their freedom, they "sell" themselves into "slavery", and if someone saves them, they become ungrateful. Your choice is okay, according to the game, it's very pragmatic solution. And of course, Ser Barris is a good person (I didn't hear bad things about him), and probably more reasonable than Fiona (sadly... again...). And I like to read. Sorry. I said I hate dealing with the mages because on the personal level interacting with them annoys me. It has NOTHING to do with their rights and freedom argument which you are trying to impose here. Stop quoting everything and twisting it into a slavery argument. My original post was NOT about slavery or casting blame. I said I don't like dealing with mages because they complain about everything and they're always antagonistic towards the Inquisitor. I don't CARE what their excuse is for behaving like brats. I know their circumstances and their whining doesn't endear me to them no matter what. In my opinion my Inquisitor doesn't deserve this kind of shit treatment to be accused of slavery by people who are being protected by the Inquisition.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 5, 2018 4:01:38 GMT
I don't criticize your choice, I criticize the presentation this situation. The presentation, according to which the oppressed are equally blameable than the oppressor. In fact, they're deserved what happened with them, because if they earn their freedom, they "sell" themselves into "slavery", and if someone saves them, they become ungrateful. Your choice is okay, according to the game, it's very pragmatic solution. And of course, Ser Barris is a good person (I didn't hear bad things about him), and probably more reasonable than Fiona (sadly... again...). And I like to read. Sorry. I said I hate dealing with the mages because on the personal level interacting with them annoys me. It has NOTHING to do with their rights and freedom argument which you are trying to impose here. Stop quoting everything and twisting it into a slavery argument. My original post was NOT about slavery or casting blame. I said I don't like dealing with mages because they complain about everything and they're always antagonistic towards the Inquisitor. I don't CARE what their excuse is for behaving like brats. I know their circumstances and their whining doesn't endear me to them no matter what. In my opinion my Inquisitor doesn't deserve this kind of shit treatment to be accused of slavery by people who are being protected by the Inquisition. I know. And I understand you about this whining problem. This is why I wrote: bugged me that presentation of the mages and the "good boys" presentation of the Templars. It was not against you and your choices.
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I finished up the Wayward Son quest-I figured Feynriel was better off with the Dalish than in the Kirkwall Cirle. It might have even been a better option for Bethany, though it would have been hard for her to leave her family to go to the Dalish.
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I don't criticize your choice, I criticize the presentation this situation. The presentation, according to which the oppressed are equally blameable than the oppressor. In fact, they're deserved what happened with them, because if they earn their freedom, they "sell" themselves into "slavery", and if someone saves them, they become ungrateful. Your choice is okay, according to the game, it's very pragmatic solution. And of course, Ser Barris is a good person (I didn't hear bad things about him), and probably more reasonable than Fiona (sadly... again...). And I like to read. Sorry. I said I hate dealing with the mages because on the personal level interacting with them annoys me. It has NOTHING to do with their rights and freedom argument which you are trying to impose here. Stop quoting everything and twisting it into a slavery argument. My original post was NOT about slavery or casting blame. I said I don't like dealing with mages because they complain about everything and they're always antagonistic towards the Inquisitor. I don't CARE what their excuse is for behaving like brats. I know their circumstances and their whining doesn't endear me to them no matter what. In my opinion my Inquisitor doesn't deserve this kind of shit treatment to be accused of slavery by people who are being protected by the Inquisition. It's strange, I do normally ally the mages and apart from that young guy who becomes the librarian later on (and us hilarious there), I never heard a single complaint from the mages or got any war table missions for it. Or did you conscripted them? Sorry about your messed up game
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Post by pensieve on Jan 5, 2018 8:06:59 GMT
adonniel Wicked Grace has nothing to do with Blackwall. I left him in prison and still got the scene. You have to have done Here Lies the Abyss and Well, Shit. Then talk to Varric a lot. I've done all those quests, used up all conversation options and his approval is high. Still nothing triggered. In this game nothing triggers in general, no romance, no Sera pranks, no wicked grace. I thought I've met all the requirements, but for some reason nothing triggers. I was counting on this play through to be highly energetic and have a lot of jokes as well as innuendo, but it's dull as a dead fish. Made me feel like my Inq hadn't accomplished any goals, aside from learning that merging mages into Inq will not be my good world template, nor will I play another game with this choice. It felt like a waste of a game. I will still try mages as free allies though. Wicked Grace didn't trigger for me either this playthrough (and now I've finished the main quest). I took the artificer specialization and every time I talked to Varric he said 'So you've been hanging out with Tree-Eyes'. EVERY TIME. I couldn't talk to him about anything else, no cutscene triggered with him after this.
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Wardens, Blood Magic and Demons! Oh my! Alix lead the inquisition assault against the Warden fortress, Adamant. Is it wrong Alix took a bit of satisfaction in seeing Clarel getting chewed on by a blighted dragon? That answer to that is probably yes, as karma came back to bite Alix and company by dropping them into the fade. It was full of Demons, giant spiders, and a spider demon hybrid. Alix was a bit confused, by the demon going the giant spider route. She had one frightening experience as a child with a spider, which resulted in not so much as a fear, but as a need to kill them all for that one experience! It seems to be a mantra Bull, Sera, and Alix all share, "It frightend me one time, kill them all!" Once again Dorian was the most level headed about the whole encounter while Bull, and Sera were freaking out and Alix was going all murderous on spiders. The demon did up its game with a humanoid spider hybrid, and cementing demons at the number 1 spot on Alix's "Kill them all list". "Demons are spirits denied their true purpose Solas says", Alix thinks to herself. "Yea right...just like all qunari are mindless, raging animals in need of a strict moral code to even appear civil....stupid Elfy elf!" Stroud sacrificed himself allowing Alix and Hawke to escape the fade, and end the threat of a demon army. Back at Skyhold, Alix executed Livius Erimund sticking to her other mantra of "It tried to kill me, it dies." The day ended with Alix and Sera comforting each other with a make out session on the tavern roof followed by enjoying the sunset.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2018 15:53:13 GMT
Ashanne met up with Mother Giselle at the Crossroads. Your Ashanne makes me want to use that hair again. I used it a while ago with a female elven inqui (darkskinned and darkhaired too)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 15:56:09 GMT
I said I hate dealing with the mages because on the personal level interacting with them annoys me. It has NOTHING to do with their rights and freedom argument which you are trying to impose here. Stop quoting everything and twisting it into a slavery argument. My original post was NOT about slavery or casting blame. I said I don't like dealing with mages because they complain about everything and they're always antagonistic towards the Inquisitor. I don't CARE what their excuse is for behaving like brats. I know their circumstances and their whining doesn't endear me to them no matter what. In my opinion my Inquisitor doesn't deserve this kind of shit treatment to be accused of slavery by people who are being protected by the Inquisition. It's strange, I do normally ally the mages and apart from that young guy who becomes the librarian later on (and us hilarious there), I never heard a single complaint from the mages or got any war table missions for it. Or did you conscripted them? Sorry about your messed up game I tried both games with merging both sides into Inquisition. With the Templars is turned out all right. With the mages it is very bad because they interpret conscription as slavery. There was one war table mission where a few mages attacked the gate guards and almost killed someone on the basis that Inq is like a slaver and they wanted to leave. The Inq had to choose punishment for them. Funnily enough Cullen suggests a far softer punishment than Leliana. I'm not talking about the mages vs templars. The game gives two choices of merging any of those sides and allowing either side to join as allies. The initial reaction to merging makes it sound like the merge is an evil choice for either (although obviously with mages its is A LOT worse because you're actually given the line of them being prisoners). Giving free allies to either is interpreted as the good choice by the game. The game insists that merging anyone into Inq is an evil choice. I can't say I agree with such interpretation. Yea, I guess it's the Slytherin side comes crawling out behind those feathers since I have certain goals to achieve for each game and not achieving makes one cranky. This game I've been doing a lot of choices I wouldn't on other Inquisitors (this is Ravenclaw curiosity). I really wanted to see how the epilogue would sum up the result. But, stupid Mythal dragon has blocked me from finishing the game. I don't want to commit many more hours to the game to level up so I could beat the dragon to finish the game.
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