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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 16:15:36 GMT
Oookay... Wynne lived, but Connor's mother got nixed because by whatever reason inconvenient blood mages in the Circle all died (pesky mages) and it was the only way to perform the ritual. Kiddo says she likes Wynne more than Morrigan. No reason why. Though her story is creepppyyyyy. Pre-teen angst: kiddo: "mom, AListair calls me "my dear". Is that because I am a Canadian?" me: "Wh-what?" kiddo: "Well, at least he does not call me "my moose" me: "Heh, the things you do to become a Queen..." kiddo (dreamily): "I better get all the power..." She has it all planned out, apparently. In the next game she is going to romance Sebastian with a Rogue Hawke called Salsa and become a Princess of Starkheaven (she does not even have to do the gross kissing part). Since the Inquisition does not offer any eligible noblemen, she is going to romance Sera, for pranks and cookies. Ovearll, all these right now is waaay secondary to obtaining a nug for Leliana. She did her quest and cannot get the cutscene to trigger. Fingers crossed it triggers because she just has to have that pet in the camp. Lol. And, she says this time she really is far more interested in all the companion stories. Me, I just played a bit more with Ebon Hawk. I think I am getting close to wrapping up the Act 2 on him. We did Fenriel's Quest, Merril's, Avelinne's, Anders' and slowly progressed the relationship with Merril. Managed to sneak into the Emporum for a haircut: Hawke/Isabela's interjections in Aveline's quest when they are in a casual relationship are priceless. "Maybe Isabela and I are not the best example." I really like the pace of Merill's romance - basically I was getting a dialogue with her after all the significant quests, and they managed to got into a committed relationship just before Leandra got abducted, so Ebon will have Merrill to go to once the last Hawke aside from him dies. The dialogues are sweet, I really enjoyed the scenes. But, well DA2 is great like that.
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Post by cmoe on Jan 5, 2018 16:20:55 GMT
Mahanon needed some down time after that debacle of a ball. Lazy day clearing some companion quests and closing a few rifts… and killing…always! Helping clean up after Bianca’s mess A little time for cards before heading to the Chantry with Leli. Never had such a small group for Wicked Grace. This always makes me chuckle... That Varric Not such a peaceful Chantry after all. Alright, ease up there spymaster.
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Post by Rascoth on Jan 5, 2018 17:21:11 GMT
Overall mage/templar choice suffers because how ally/conscript is portrayed in game... and how insignificant it is outside approval. The principle is the point. But of course, I want to see some terrible thing: the Mages become abominations and eat the Inquisitor's blessed hand and perform some blood ritual before the feast... for example. Oh Catilina Not exactly what I meant My prefered way would be if your choice had impact on later quests. Would love something more, for example, in WHWE except short line at the beginning (and even this might not appear if you did HLtA first). Also - something I repeat every time alliance/conscription is brought up - would love an option, even scripted one (maybe after both WEWH/HLtA, or even post game), to change it later in game. Then for sure my canon would be conscription then alliance once proven to the Inquisition. Now I have no option to reward/punish mages/templars after they join/work with me. Nooooo, better for Herald/Inquisitor stick to hastily made decision after they saved everyone's asses... /ends short rant. Sorry, knew it would end this way
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Post by Catilina on Jan 5, 2018 17:33:33 GMT
The principle is the point. But of course, I want to see some terrible thing: the Mages become abominations and eat the Inquisitor's blessed hand and perform some blood ritual before the feast... for example. Oh Catilina Not exactly what I meant My prefered way would be if your choice had impact on later quests. Would love something more, for example, in WHWE except short line at the beginning (and even this might not appear if you did HLtA first). Also - something I repeat every time alliance/conscription is brought up - would love an option, even scripted one (maybe after both WEWH/HLtA, or even post game), to change it later in game. Then for sure my canon would be conscription then alliance once proven to the Inquisition. Now I have no option to reward/punish mages/templars after they join/work with me. Nooooo, better for Herald/Inquisitor stick to hastily made decision after they saved everyone's asses... /ends short rant. Sorry, knew it would end this way Well, that was the other option, what I thought ...
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2018 17:59:15 GMT
It's strange, I do normally ally the mages and apart from that young guy who becomes the librarian later on (and us hilarious there), I never heard a single complaint from the mages or got any war table missions for it. Or did you conscripted them? Sorry about your messed up game I tried both games with merging both sides into Inquisition. With the Templars is turned out all right. With the mages it is very bad because they interpret conscription as slavery. There was one war table mission where a few mages attacked the gate guards and almost killed someone on the basis that Inq is like a slaver and they wanted to leave. The Inq had to choose punishment for them. Funnily enough Cullen suggests a far softer punishment than Leliana. I'm not talking about the mages vs templars. The game gives two choices of merging any of those sides and allowing either side to join as allies. The initial reaction to merging makes it sound like the merge is an evil choice for either (although obviously with mages its is A LOT worse because you're actually given the line of them being prisoners). Giving free allies to either is interpreted as the good choice by the game. The game insists that merging anyone into Inq is an evil choice. I can't say I agree with such interpretation. Yea, I guess it's the Slytherin side comes crawling out behind those feathers since I have certain goals to achieve for each game and not achieving makes one cranky. This game I've been doing a lot of choices I wouldn't on other Inquisitors (this is Ravenclaw curiosity). I really wanted to see how the epilogue would sum up the result. But, stupid Mythal dragon has blocked me from finishing the game. I don't want to commit many more hours to the game to level up so I could beat the dragon to finish the game. Ok, I never conscripted the mages before, that's probably, why they are nice and fluffy in my games (you should ally them once for that great, nerdy librarian). I conscripted the templars however, but I didn't like the Champions of the Just quest, I found it boring compared to the In Hushed Whispers quest (plus adventuring with Dorian ais always great ). I wasa bit sad, that nothing came out of it. With the mages, you get at least Fiona and the librarian to talk to, but I have either not found Ser Baris yet or he isn't there and there is certainly no templar librarian (sadly). Is Ser Baris anywhere in Skyhold? Can someone tell me that? I had one templar related war table mission, but nothing great. BTW, I don't think the 'merging' (I think you mean the conscripting?) is a bad thing too - and as you know, I'm not a Slytherin, I'm a Ravenpuff. And I don't see the conscription as permanent, I see it more as giving a helping hand to get on their feets again. Both fractions just had seen their world change rapidly and some of them lost a lot along the way and they both made wrong decisions with potentially terrible outcomes, so I guess, wanting to have an eye on them for a while is natural. That doesn't mean, that they will never be able to govern themselves - chances are, they will do that sooner than later.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jan 5, 2018 18:01:27 GMT
The problem with not playing a character in a while is forgetting where you left off. Kaylessa finished getting under her skin, Calpernia. She kept the magister that was trapped alive, she wanted to study this strange magic. Did Solas personal quest in helping his spirit friend. Did Leliana's personal quest in going to Valance. She must have been harden previously because she killed that priest against my orders. And then we did Vivs personal quest. Now the party is catching up exploring that place that is a Whole Lot of Nowhere. Death? No not now. Any other time I would grant you such a request. I have this thing about studying and dissecting bodies, but this strange magic is something I would rather study. I know you'll suffer but remember, pain is weakness leaving the body. Feeling sad that Solas lost his spirit friend. Leliana disobeyed my orders, which annoys me to no end. But there is a fresh corpse that we can't let go to waste.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 18:25:20 GMT
BTW, I don't think the 'merging' (I think you mean the conscripting?) is a bad thing too - and as you know, I'm not a Slytherin, I'm a Ravenpuff. And I don't see the conscription as permanent, I see it more as giving a helping hand to get on their feets again. Both fractions just had seen their world change rapidly and some of them lost a lot along the way and they both made wrong decisions with potentially terrible outcomes, so I guess, wanting to have an eye on them for a while is natural. That doesn't mean, that they will never be able to govern themselves - chances are, they will do that sooner than later. Exactly, I feel it's a similar situation and I don't find the idea of conscription bad, but the game interprets this choice as 'evil' and more so when the mages are concerned. The mages take it very, very negatively and you get all sorts of headache through the game. With the Templars exactly what you said happened. Initially Cullen was angry that you've disbanded their order and there was some grumbling, but everyone got over it. I conscripted the Templars, half of them at the end of the game chose to follow Cullen and attempted to break from the lyrium and then other half went back to serve the Chantry under Cassandra rule. Nobody was stopping them from reforming their order. But when you make the choice at first the game is like NOOOOO you evil person how can you conscript them! It's freedom limiting! Not to mention it makes little sense with the mages. The Inq initially claims they're 'prisoners,' at the moment of conscription, but prisoners in which way? Nobody enforces that rule. The mages hang around Haven not locked up in anyway just like the citizens. They share the same rights as everyone else. Not to mention the Inq isn't going to send anyone after them should they decide to run away. It has bigger problems. After Haven destruction if the mages didn't want to be there, they could have ran away without anyone stopping them. They choose to follow Solas to Skyhold and then slander the Inq by comparing her to a slaver, while hiding behind Skyhold walls in safety and eating Inq food and complaining how the place doesn't live up to their high standards. I don't want to put up with the attitude like that. I don't like timed quests in general and I prefer Dorian quest line to Cole as well. Though, in Champions of the Just I found a recipe for a very useful stone skin potion. Maybe it's some place else in the game too, but this game I didn't have it. I like that cute librarian too.
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Post by Liadan on Jan 5, 2018 18:39:31 GMT
Today Raven killed the final three High Dragons. Entered the final room of the Temple of Pride. Went in search of the Sulevin Blade. Dagna made her a new sword with the broken pieces (Raven gave the sword to Iron Bull). Hoping to find Samson`s weakness, Raven went with Cullen to the Shrine of Dumat in search of the tranquil Maddox. With his tools Dagna were able to craft a rune that will destroy Samson`s armor.
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Post by melbella on Jan 5, 2018 18:40:51 GMT
The librarian comes from a perk (Enhanced Studies?) whether or not you recruit the mages.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2018 18:41:05 GMT
BTW, I don't think the 'merging' (I think you mean the conscripting?) is a bad thing too - and as you know, I'm not a Slytherin, I'm a Ravenpuff. And I don't see the conscription as permanent, I see it more as giving a helping hand to get on their feets again. Both fractions just had seen their world change rapidly and some of them lost a lot along the way and they both made wrong decisions with potentially terrible outcomes, so I guess, wanting to have an eye on them for a while is natural. That doesn't mean, that they will never be able to govern themselves - chances are, they will do that sooner than later. Exactly, I feel it's a similar situation and I don't find the idea of conscription bad, but the game interprets this choice as 'evil' and more so when the mages are concerned. The mages take it very, very negatively and you get all sorts of headache through the game. With the Templars exactly what you said happened. Initially Cullen was angry that you've disbanded their order and there was some grumbling, but everyone got over it. I conscripted the Templars, half of them at the end of the game chose to follow Cullen and attempted to break from the lyrium and then other half went back to serve the Chantry under Cassandra rule. Nobody was stopping them from reforming their order. But when you make the choice at first the game is like NOOOOO you evil person how can you conscript them! It's freedom limiting! Not to mention it makes little sense with the mages. The Inq initially claims they're 'prisoners,' at the moment of conscription, but prisoners in which way? Nobody enforces that rule. The mages hang around Haven not locked up in anyway just like the citizens. They share the same rights as everyone else. Not to mention the Inq isn't going to send anyone after them should they decide to run away. It has bigger problems. After Haven destruction if the mages didn't want to be there, they could have ran away without anyone stopping them. They choose to follow Solas to Skyhold and then slander the Inq by comparing her to a slaver, while hiding behind Skyhold walls in safety and eating Inq food and complaining how the place doesn't live up to their high standards. I don't want to put up with the attitude like that. I don't like timed quests in general and I prefer Dorian quest line to Cole as well. Though, in Champions of the Just I found a recipe for a very useful stone skin potion. Maybe it's some place else in the game too, but this game I didn't have it. I like that cute librarian too. That's really not cool, that they make the mages whiners, when they are conscripted. But yes, the librarian rules
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2018 18:42:43 GMT
The librarian comes from a perk (Enhanced Studies?) whether or not you recruit the mages. Really? But it's the same mage, that complained to Cass after IHW. I always thought her telling him, that freedom means to get his own shit together, was what made the guy becoming the librarian. Eitehr way, he's great
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Post by Rascoth on Jan 5, 2018 18:46:05 GMT
The librarian comes from a perk (Enhanced Studies?) whether or not you recruit the mages. Really? But it's the same mage, that complained to Cass after IHW. I always thought her telling him, that freedom means to get his own shit together, was what made the guy becoming the librarian. Eitehr way, he's great More like he's another preset that just got chosen for that cutscene
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 18:55:41 GMT
The librarian comes from a perk (Enhanced Studies?) whether or not you recruit the mages. Really? But it's the same mage, that complained to Cass after IHW. I always thought her telling him, that freedom means to get his own shit together, was what made the guy becoming the librarian. Eitehr way, he's great Now that you've mentioned it, I did have him in the 1st game too. But, I never had the scene where Cass tells him to put his shit together. Cass if she said that though. Finally someone explains it to them.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2018 19:15:07 GMT
Really? But it's the same mage, that complained to Cass after IHW. I always thought her telling him, that freedom means to get his own shit together, was what made the guy becoming the librarian. Eitehr way, he's great Now that you've mentioned it, I did have him in the 1st game too. But, I never had the scene where Cass tells him to put his shit together. Cass if she said that though. Finally someone explains it to them. He was complaining about some unfair treatment from someone and Cass basically said that freedom means, that he can't come with everything to someone else , but has to deal with his problems himself and that he has to learn that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 20:05:16 GMT
Now that you've mentioned it, I did have him in the 1st game too. But, I never had the scene where Cass tells him to put his shit together. Cass if she said that though. Finally someone explains it to them. He was complaining about some unfair treatment from someone and Cass basically said that freedom means, that he can't come with everything to someone else , but has to deal with his problems himself and that he has to learn that. Well thank you Cassandra. That's something that needed to be beaten into the mage's head in my game and never did. I'm still eyeing Mythal dragon for steak. I hate losing.
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Post by melbella on Jan 5, 2018 20:09:24 GMT
You don't have to kill the Mythal dragon - just get it to half health and a cutscene starts. It's a really cool scene.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2018 20:36:52 GMT
You don't have to kill the Mythal dragon - just get it to half health and a cutscene starts. It's a really cool scene. I agree, totally worth everything
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 21:07:20 GMT
You don't have to kill the Mythal dragon - just get it to half health and a cutscene starts. It's a really cool scene. Oh really? I sort of freaked out because I only took out a third of hp and my party died, which made me think I'm not even close to finishing that fight and would need so much more power. It's a different estimate if you kicked the bucket after you took out 90% of health rather than 20% before dying. With 90% you think you can use different tactics and maybe a bit more luck to try over with 20% it's like yep I'm doomed.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 5, 2018 22:30:39 GMT
Liora Trevelyan managed to stop alexius changing the future - with Dorians help. Glad you know, whats going on here, Solas Yay - let's go back home I swear, I hread the Tardis sound Join the inquisition - we have cookies ... well... Sera has them girl power
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Post by pavellaning on Jan 5, 2018 23:01:54 GMT
Greta Cadash finally made it to Haven. This is what happens when I juggle Inquisitors. Sorry it took me so long.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 5, 2018 23:05:39 GMT
Greta Cadash finally made it to Haven. This is what happens when I juggle Inquisitors. Ah yes, your Inquisitor who I'm creepily infatuated with! Be interesting to see how her adventure plays out.
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Post by vonuber on Jan 6, 2018 0:23:36 GMT
Tonight, Quizzy hit the no-xp train. And whilst doing that, interrupted a ritual about beards, captured a fort then got fed up with idiots. "I'm a surprisingly well detailed and modelled non-generic bandit! That must mean I am some form of protagonist!" "Have some of this you criminal scum!" "Erm, ok.. who the hell was she?" "No idea." Outside the facial hair convention. "You call that a moustache? I sneer at your feeble attempts." "You look like a teenager trying to grow his first beard! I mock you, Sir!" "Look, this wasn't funny the first time. Let's just move on, shall we?" "... fine. Let me remember where we were." "Well I have no idea what's been going on so.. let's do this." "Huh. Didn't expect that." "So you just stayed at the bottom of the stairs whilst we fought everybody?" "Well there was no xp for it, so..." "She has a point there." "Well well well.." "Well that was easy. Let's flag this shit and go home." "Yeah, that's the stuff." "So. Impenetrable fortress. What's the plan?" "We could write them a stern letter expressing our disappointment! That worked when Sir Humphalot fought the giant toadstools of faraway land!" "Josephine? Shut up." "I've written a new song about the Warden, do you want to hear it?" "Leliana - I only have you along because I'm worried you'll try and kill me otherwise. So no. Cullen?" "I was thinking that I should have a bigger cape. Maybe one with leopard fur, and also a big hat. Oh, Blackwell was asking after you, so I told him that you were happy for him to drop bye any time." Well that was all rather easy. The Warden confrontation was a breeze, as was clearing the keep. I don't think anyone actually lost any health. Ho hum. I might do the keep thing next or some more Western Approach, but I suspect that is just optional grind. I loved the sass you could give in that conversation though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 1:58:32 GMT
Just noted something... if you're romancing Cullen than wouldn't Inky's reply to Sera's prank how the desk is sturdy have another meaning. Does this mean if you prank him right after that other desk scene, he'll be thinking they broke it. :amirite:
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Post by Psychevore on Jan 6, 2018 9:34:21 GMT
KInda surprised I got Cassandra's mission tbh, but yay
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Post by Rascoth on Jan 6, 2018 9:37:17 GMT
Just noted something... if you're romancing Cullen than wouldn't Inky's reply to Sera's prank how the desk is sturdy have another meaning. Does this mean if you prank him right after that other desk scene, he'll be thinking they broke it. I always do Sera's prank after desk scene. It's way too hilarious that way
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