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Post by Norstaera on May 23, 2018 15:47:57 GMT
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Post by Iddy on May 23, 2018 16:15:30 GMT
I've asked about this before, but I'm still unsure.
Is it cowardly for the Warden to let Loghain make the US?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 23, 2018 16:59:52 GMT
I've asked about this before, but I'm still unsure. Is it cowardly for the Warden to let Loghain make the US? I guess it depends on your definition of "cowardly." But I don't think mine stretches to include dying (and depending on whether or not you believe Riordan's word actually destroying your own soul) to save someone who is straight up asking to sacrifice himself for you, and who you'd probably outlive anyway if it weren't for the fact that only one of you gets to walk away from the rooftop. (Though maybe that last bit is me trying to rationalize.)
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Post by vertigomez on May 23, 2018 17:21:54 GMT
I've asked about this before, but I'm still unsure. Is it cowardly for the Warden to let Loghain make the US? I'm not big into honor and glory, so no, I don't think so. If he wants to feed himself to the Archdemon, who am I to stop him? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Iddy on May 23, 2018 18:15:45 GMT
I've asked about this before, but I'm still unsure. Is it cowardly for the Warden to let Loghain make the US? I guess it depends on your definition of "cowardly." But I don't think mine stretches to include dying (and depending on whether or not you believe Riordan's word actually destroying your own soul) to save someone who is straight up asking to sacrifice himself for you, and who you'd probably outlive anyway if it weren't for the fact that only one of you gets to walk away from the rooftop. (Though maybe that last bit is me trying to rationalize.) I mean it in a "Why aren't you volunteering? Afraid of dying? Bawk bawk bawk!" kinda way. And well, doesn't the leader have the most responsibility?
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Post by vertigomez on May 23, 2018 18:38:15 GMT
I guess it depends on your definition of "cowardly." But I don't think mine stretches to include dying (and depending on whether or not you believe Riordan's word actually destroying your own soul) to save someone who is straight up asking to sacrifice himself for you, and who you'd probably outlive anyway if it weren't for the fact that only one of you gets to walk away from the rooftop. (Though maybe that last bit is me trying to rationalize.) I mean it in a "Why aren't you volunteering? Afraid of dying? Bawk bawk bawk!" kinda way. And well, doesn't the leader have the most responsibility? Not the person you quoted, but: I guess that depends on how much stock you put in other peoples' opinions. What does it matter if randos think you're a scaredy-cat? Tell them to sod off and fight a giant Blighted dragon if they're so keen. And considering you might've been conscripted into the Wardens against your will, and designated the leader at Alistair's insistence regardless of what you yourself wanted, I'm not sure how much weight that holds. Personally I prefer killing it myself (DR or US) because I feel like people should be calling Loghain or Alistair "the Hero of Ferelden" if they strike the killing blow - it feels like you're stealing their credit and it breaks my immersion a bit, at that point I'd rather just be "Warden-Commander Whatever" - but I don't see how there's anything cowardly about allowing Loghain to strike that final blow. He volunteers. He kind of hates himself and would like to go out in a positive way, rather than a disgraceful beheading in front of his daughter.... it seems a kindness, really.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 23, 2018 18:54:28 GMT
I guess it depends on your definition of "cowardly." But I don't think mine stretches to include dying (and depending on whether or not you believe Riordan's word actually destroying your own soul) to save someone who is straight up asking to sacrifice himself for you, and who you'd probably outlive anyway if it weren't for the fact that only one of you gets to walk away from the rooftop. (Though maybe that last bit is me trying to rationalize.) I mean it in a "Why aren't you volunteering? Afraid of dying? Bawk bawk bawk!" kinda way. Are... you using fear of death as an insult? That's something rational, self-interested adults generally possess. And hey, someone who really fears death as much as it deserves (or if you prefer a complete coward) wouldn't actually be choosing who dies, because a complete coward would have already made sure killing the Archdemon isn't lethal anymore. (Although given how lethal the battle of Denerim should have been one could argue that the Warden is railroaded into not being a coward no matter what you choose.) Does that mean it's the leader's job to die, even when someone else who wouldn't live as long anyway is straight up volunteering?
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Post by warden on May 23, 2018 19:03:40 GMT
Now I'll put the grey warden perspective.
usually the most senior warden is the one that does the sacrifice so in a scale, this goes like this.
Alistair>Warden>Loghain.
Now make your choice and live on.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 23, 2018 19:23:41 GMT
Now I'll put the grey warden perspective. usually the most senior warden is the one that does the sacrifice so in a scale, this goes like this. Alistair>Warden>Loghain. Now make your choice and live on. What Riordan says is that the most Senior Wardens would decide amongst themselves. That's not quite the same thing. Presumably the reason they do this is that they want whoever dies to be someone who wouldn't live much longer anyway. Riordan volunteers himself for just this reason, but that doesn't work out. Now I'd thought I'd remembered reading something saying that age at Joining makes a difference, and if that was the case Loghain would probably predecease both Alistair and the Warden even though they'd both been Wardens for about a year when he Joined. But I can't find anything like that, so I might have misremembered it. Still, that means that either they're in about the same place as far as how long they'd live, or Loghain's losing. In either case, choosing the one who's been tainted longest to die without considering other factors is just a bit arbitrary.
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Post by colfoley on May 23, 2018 20:34:18 GMT
So all I did was Wynne's personal quest. I traped around the Brecillian Forest for nearly an hour looking for Anerin...It was annoying.
I suppose that is not quite fair because I 'cheated' for giving Stenn one of the Feastday gifts to try and boost his approval so I could trigger his personal quest. Which...worked. So I will be doing that next, then Ostagar, then maybe even do Oghren's before starting the Lands meethence 'act 3', butI might not even arse myself with his personal quest either.
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Post by House Targaryen on May 24, 2018 5:36:47 GMT
Went to Crestwood and met the Warden there could provide us with info. The way he was waving his sword around, he doesn't like unannounced guests. Went back to Skyhold and decided to execute Alexius. It was the merciful thing to do now that his son was dead. Went to the Western Approach and captured a nice fort from the Vints. Took care of a noble who likes to punch down on the little people. Are you always this friendly with guests? She who passes judgement... Another fort added to my empire. My clan would be so proud. So you're the noble prick who likes to punch down? Do you always get fresh with the ladies with that big sword of yours?
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Post by fylimar on May 24, 2018 9:33:28 GMT
I guess it depends on your definition of "cowardly." But I don't think mine stretches to include dying (and depending on whether or not you believe Riordan's word actually destroying your own soul) to save someone who is straight up asking to sacrifice himself for you, and who you'd probably outlive anyway if it weren't for the fact that only one of you gets to walk away from the rooftop. (Though maybe that last bit is me trying to rationalize.) I mean it in a "Why aren't you volunteering? Afraid of dying? Bawk bawk bawk!" kinda way. And well, doesn't the leader have the most responsibility? Tbh I always thought of Alistair as the leader, since he is the oldest gw in Ferelden until Riordan showed up. Just because he is too cowardly to take responsibility doesn't automatically mean, he gets a pass.
But to answer your question: I don't think, it is cowardly. If you don't trust Loghain enough and are afraid, that he will return to his old ways after the arch demon is defeated, letting him make the sacrifice is the best way to assure, he can't do anything evil. If you let Alistair do the sacrifice, it is totally in line with the gw rules too. He is the oldest gw again, after Riordans death, so the deathblow is rightfully his to make. But I normally don't play the overall heroic, paladin-like type of character. I like playing rogueish characters, who try to find loopholes. So they usually let Ali or Loghain do the dark ritual with Morri (hey, she has to be good for something after her constant whining through the whole game, right? )
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Post by fylimar on May 24, 2018 9:42:08 GMT
Now I'll put the grey warden perspective. usually the most senior warden is the one that does the sacrifice so in a scale, this goes like this. Alistair>Warden>Loghain. Now make your choice and live on. What Riordan says is that the most Senior Wardens would decide amongst themselves. That's not quite the same thing. Presumably the reason they do this is that they want whoever dies to be someone who wouldn't live much longer anyway. Riordan volunteers himself for just this reason, but that doesn't work out. Now I'd thought I'd remembered reading something saying that age at Joining makes a difference, and if that was the case Loghain would probably predecease both Alistair and the Warden even though they'd both been Wardens for about a year when he Joined. But I can't find anything like that, so I might have misremembered it. Still, that means that either they're in about the same place as far as how long they'd live, or Loghain's losing. In either case, choosing the one who's been tainted longest to die without considering other factors is just a bit arbitrary. Ok, I misinterpreted that too. I thought, it meant the one, who is longest exposed to the taint, which would be Ali. But you made a good point about being afraid to die and how that is natural. By the time, the decision about who will deliver the deathblow to the arch demon is made, the HoF has already done a lot to help the country: saved a high ranking lord and his village, saved the circle tower (or helped destroying the demons there), settled the dispute beween Dalish and werewolves one way or another, helped Orzammar getting a new king and become operational again - not to mention the smaller things, you can do, like helping the mage collective and the Blackstone Irregulars and random people around the world. Maybe the HoF is tired of fixing messes by that time and maybe they didn't even volunteered to become a gw, but were conscripted, there are a lot of reasons to not do the sacrifice imo.
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Post by Iddy on May 24, 2018 10:48:44 GMT
What Riordan says is that the most Senior Wardens would decide amongst themselves. That's not quite the same thing. Presumably the reason they do this is that they want whoever dies to be someone who wouldn't live much longer anyway. Riordan volunteers himself for just this reason, but that doesn't work out. Now I'd thought I'd remembered reading something saying that age at Joining makes a difference, and if that was the case Loghain would probably predecease both Alistair and the Warden even though they'd both been Wardens for about a year when he Joined. But I can't find anything like that, so I might have misremembered it. Still, that means that either they're in about the same place as far as how long they'd live, or Loghain's losing. In either case, choosing the one who's been tainted longest to die without considering other factors is just a bit arbitrary. Ok, I misinterpreted that too. I thought, it meant the one, who is longest exposed to the taint, which would be Ali. But you made a good point about being afraid to die and how that is natural. By the time, the decision about who will deliver the deathblow to the arch demon is made, the HoF has already done a lot to help the country: saved a high ranking lord and his village, saved the circle tower (or helped destroying the demons there), settled the dispute beween Dalish and werewolves one way or another, helped Orzammar getting a new king and become operational again - not to mention the smaller things, you can do, like helping the mage collective and the Blackstone Irregulars and random people around the world. Maybe the HoF is tired of fixing messes by that time and maybe they didn't even volunteered to become a gw, but were conscripted, there are a lot of reasons to not do the sacrifice imo.
I think "eldest" definitely is meant as in how long you've been a Grey Warden, rather than your age. I think a little cheating is necessary, because some companions simply don't give enough approval from quests and dialogue. Not even if you make the right choices. Look at Leliana. It is impossible to max her approval without a ton of gifts. On the other hand, you barely need any with Morrigan and Sten if you pick the dialogue options they like.
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Post by vertigomez on May 24, 2018 21:07:13 GMT
I love that, appearance-wise, default female Hawke and Carver seem to take after the Amell side of the family and default male Hawke and Bethany seem to take after their dad. Just a little thing, but I've always enjoyed it.
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Post by Iddy on May 25, 2018 11:40:13 GMT
Finished DAO's main story yesterday, which is pretty huge for me because I've been trying for 2 years.
I gotta say, Loghain slaying the archdemon leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Warden just doesn't seem like much of a hero now. However, it is the only way to survive without being a pawn in Flemeth's plans or letting Morrigan use her son as a lab rat.
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Post by alanc9 on May 25, 2018 16:33:00 GMT
Finished DAO's main story yesterday, which is pretty huge for me because I've been trying for 2 years. I gotta say, Loghain slaying the archdemon leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Warden just doesn't seem like much of a hero now. However, it is the only way to survive without being a pawn in Flemeth's plans or letting Morrigan use her son as a lab rat. How would you have played it if you hadn't seen spoilers?
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Post by Catilina on May 25, 2018 16:47:30 GMT
Finished DAO's main story yesterday, which is pretty huge for me because I've been trying for 2 years. I gotta say, Loghain slaying the archdemon leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Warden just doesn't seem like much of a hero now. However, it is the only way to survive without being a pawn in Flemeth's plans or letting Morrigan use her son as a lab rat. Not? Not he was who gathered the force? Who faced the Archdemon – only not he was who killed it. Who saved Ferelden? From the Archdemon, and from Loghain... and who allowed Loghain to redeem himself... It's not less heroic.
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Post by Iddy on May 25, 2018 17:27:14 GMT
Finished DAO's main story yesterday, which is pretty huge for me because I've been trying for 2 years. I gotta say, Loghain slaying the archdemon leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Warden just doesn't seem like much of a hero now. However, it is the only way to survive without being a pawn in Flemeth's plans or letting Morrigan use her son as a lab rat. How would you have played it if you hadn't seen spoilers? Good question. The first time I played was mostly without spoilers. All I knew was the characters' names because they show up in Inquisition and the whole OGB thing. I remember I made Alistair sole king because I dislike Anora and did the DR. That's a good point.
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Post by Iddy on May 25, 2018 21:46:56 GMT
What is the best save file to import into DAO Awakening? The last one, post coronation? Or the epilogue's auto save file?
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Post by colfoley on May 25, 2018 21:47:14 GMT
Anyways...what didn't I do? Well I started the bits and pieces of the end game. I am all the way to killing the first General in Denerim.
The fight with Caladrius was actually quite interesting this time. I did not know he actually would use his people as blood sacrifices to heal himself. Really didn't help him that much by the end of the fight it just dragged out the inevitable as he raised his shields and got into a war of attrition. I have decided though that Morrigan has a bit of the 'Ashley' effect from BioWare companions. I want to like her, I want to support her practicalism and I even get what they were trying to do...but man she went way too far at times. "Please I can give you a lot of health with a simple blood sacrifice!" 'Well that's a nice beginning' ugh *facepalm*...still if nothing else Claudia Black is always a win.
Anyways off to the Landsmeet I went where I had Ali execute Loghain where I forgot that Anora would not marry him because of that...oops. I think this is...actually the second big violation of my world state canon for Inquisition. I knew it, but I could have sworn I got Anora to marry Ali despite having him kill Daddy the first time...but I guess I had Mal do it. But I figured since Mal executed Arl Howe then it would be fitting to give Ali the chance to have his revenge. On the flip side though its weird I mean I know she was emotional and distraught but she complains about Ali 'murdering' her father when her father murdered Ali's brother. And Ali only did it in a court of law, what passes for it in Medieval Ferelden anyways. Speaking of Loghain though I know he is supposed to be sympathetic and damaged but...come on! "Little girls who have pig tails forever! oh did I tell you I am a slaver?" I guess it would be better if he weren't such a hypocrite about it. He fought against an evil Empire only to turn around and become the very thing he sought to destroy...he was all... muhahaha about it. Ah well.
And I also did the Dark Ritual.
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Post by Rascoth on May 25, 2018 22:43:09 GMT
What is the best save file to import into DAO Awakening? The last one, post coronation? Or the epilogue's auto save file? Both are fine iirc. Saves from post epilogue are problematic.
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Post by jaerick243 on May 26, 2018 3:11:26 GMT
I played a little DA:I lately, and tried the shadow step upgrade to Evade. It was cool, but I feel it was an ability that would fit better with Cole, if he had his own specialization than assassin.
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Post by Iddy on May 26, 2018 20:40:06 GMT
I tried to import a save file from DAO Awakening to Golems of Amgarrak, but the game wouldn't let me. =\
The "confirm" option was unavailable.
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Post by warden on May 26, 2018 23:35:50 GMT
I tried to import a save file from DAO Awakening to Golems of Amgarrak, but the game wouldn't let me. =\ The "confirm" option was unavailable. You can jump to Witch Hunt if you want, there isn't really anything that gets "imported" or it is important in the future. It's more of post warden quest of many that The Warden will do in life.
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