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Post by Iddy on Nov 16, 2018 20:32:53 GMT
Another issue is that my Hawke is pro Circle.
If Bethany becomes a Circle mage, it will be impossible to justify supporting the Right of Annulment in the end, right?
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Post by Catilina on Nov 16, 2018 20:43:00 GMT
Another issue is that my Hawke is pro Circle. If Bethany becomes a Circle mage, it will be impossible to justify supporting the Right of Annulment in the end, right? Everything is possibile. If Hawke's pro-Circle, probably doesn't really care about Bethany's opinion, sp, perhaps doesn't care about that this madwoman perhaps will kill her too. But you said, your Hawke's overprotective... now think about it. And about, that loves Bethany, or just doesn't want to lose her, because of this is a loss, and can't lose.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 16, 2018 21:35:45 GMT
So I've finally begun playing Minerva wanted to do that earlier this week, but eh...didn't really have a good week
Regardless... Here's Minerva ready to take her Harrowing, I've also decided to write her a little journal She was born on Firstfall 16th (aka. today's date in Thedosian) in the year 9.05 Dragon, making her 25 at the start of the Blight
First part of her journal in the spoiler
9.30 Dragon, Kinloch Hold, Ferelden I often ask myself how my world would’ve looked if I hadn’t burned down that tree at age eight. The Amell’s are nobles, mother would often tell me. Nobles, nobility…it didn’t matter to me anymore, it still doesn’t. The Amell crest hangs around my neck, but it means nothing to me…the Amell name no longer means anything. Magic has been both a curse and a gift at times, when I arrived at the Circle tower, I pretended to be weak, far weaker then I was. I wanted to fade away in the background, have them stop staring at me. Turns out that if you try to hide enough, some people eventually take notice regardless. The one who took notice however, was the First Enchanter himself, and despite my insistence that I was weak…he made me stronger. Regardless, I was able to pretend to be weaker than I was for the next seventeen years, which held of my Harrowing. But at some point…you must stop pretending in order to move forward, and I was tired of pretending. The Harrowing, my Harrowing…came without warning, as it always does. The Templars come in the middle of the night and rouse you from your sleep. They are careful not to wake the others, after all, the Harrowing is a secret to all but those who’ve already taken it. Up the tower we go, past the many rooms, across the many floors. Into the highest room, where the moonlight filters through the high windows. There they awaited me, several templars…as well as the First Enchanter and Knight Commander both. I can feel the lyrium they brought for the ritual, it’s low humming softly in my ears. As I look around, I recognize one of the templars standing nearby, he’s fumbling with his helmet, trying not to meet my gaze, he’s as nervous as I. When he finally does catch my gaze, he tries to give a reassuring smile before putting his helmet back on, so that I won’t see what other expressions he makes next. The Knight Commander makes his speech, one he most likely already spoke several times, the First Enchanter gives me some last advice before I start my test. A test…but one that would shape me for the rest of my life. As the lyrium touches my hand, I feel myself slipping away, and as I next open my eyes…the Fade stretches itself before me, the Black city an ever focus and the only constant thing in an everchanging realm. I'm still pondering on what specializations to give her I'm currently dubbing between either Shapeshifter+Keeper or Arcane Warrior+Battlemage
I head canon that her mother gave her an amulet with the Amell crest before she was taken to the Circle, though to Minerva the crest doesn't mean much, especially because she knows she could never hold a title due to what she is. I've yet to figure out her full personality, for now she's compassionate and follows the rules (hence she doesn't tell Jowan about what's involved during the Harrowing)
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Post by close2myheart on Nov 17, 2018 1:25:29 GMT
Entropy.. anything with entropy 😆 (yes I'm a lazy af mage 😆)
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Post by close2myheart on Nov 17, 2018 1:51:33 GMT
Another issue is that my Hawke is pro Circle. If Bethany becomes a Circle mage, it will be impossible to justify supporting the Right of Annulment in the end, right? Well, since you are the Champion and supporting the Templars, I guess you can pretty much have an 'unsaid agreement' with your said ally. You will continue to support them, as long as they do their part in keeping your sister safe. I think it's mentioned somewhere (tote forgot where, I'm sorry) that everyone in the Kirkwall Circle pretty much leaves Bethany alone because she is sister of the Champion. So even when situation is at the worst, they'd still try to keep Beth safe in hopes of keeping your loyalty on their side. At least until the situation seemed clear-cut to them. Pretty much like what Catilina said, everything is possible depending on circumstances, with the help of a little imagination. Like how I viewed how a mage Hawk could have no problem in siding with Orsino although Carver is within the Templar ranks, because he just KNOW that their familial bond is stronger than anything and push comes to shove, Carver WILL put his family first.. and he did.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 17, 2018 11:01:06 GMT
Today in the continuing adventures of Wulfric Aeducan: the Landsmeet. Finally! Wulfric was happy to be able to deal with Loghain at long last, and almost pleased when Cauthrien showed up to fight him. (She really should have brought all of her archers with her again. Of course, Origins would likely end very differently for most people if she did.) Having beaten her, he finally had a chance to confront his real enemy. Well, the one that isn't a big dragon. He brought Alistair with him as requested, although he had no intention of letting him have the throne. (Since Alistair was unhardened, everyone invovled was happy with this situation. Except Arl Eamon, I guess, but oh well, you can't please everyone.) With Anora on side he won over the nobles easily, so it all came down to a duel.
Now, Wulfric isn't afraid of a scrap, but he's primarily an archer. Beating the hero of River Dane in a stand-up fight did not seem likely. He didn't know how the Landsmeet would react if he told Wynne to do it, or if she'd even agree. (Of course, on a metagame level I know that nobody objects if you have a mage freeze Loghain and then light him on fire, but this has never seemed fair or logical to me.) Frankly, he wasn't sure that Alistair could win this one either. Which left only one sensible choice. I love the irony of having Zevran fight Loghain, and it's an easy battle that way as long as you're carrying a few health potions and some Soldier's Bane. (Which also seems unfair, but apparently nobody at the Landsmeet has a rule about checking for poison any more than they have a rule about mages. Sort of makes you wonder why you can't just let the Mabari fight if anything else is allowed ...)
With Loghain defeated at last, Wulfric let Alistair take the final blow. He thought Riordan was crazy for suggesting recruiting him. I mean, Zevran also tried to kill him, but that was for money. Wulfric knows that people who want you dead for political reasons are way less trustworthy. He gave Anora the throne without argument.
After that, it was time to march for Redcliffe. The last night at camp. Zevran gave him an earring! Which was a lovely gesture even if he wouldn't straight-up admit what it was really about. Wynne even admitted that she'd been wrong about their relationship.
Of course, there was more trouble ahead when they got to Redcliffe and Riordan finally explained the truth about the Grey Wardens ...
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Post by Catilina on Nov 17, 2018 12:51:29 GMT
Another issue is that my Hawke is pro Circle. If Bethany becomes a Circle mage, it will be impossible to justify supporting the Right of Annulment in the end, right? Well, since you are the Champion and supporting the Templars, I guess you can pretty much have an 'unsaid agreement' with your said ally. You will continue to support them, as long as they do their part in keeping your sister safe. I think it's mentioned somewhere (tote forgot where, I'm sorry) that everyone in the Kirkwall Circle pretty much leaves Bethany alone because she is sister of the Champion. So even when situation is at the worst, they'd still try to keep Beth safe in hopes of keeping your loyalty on their side. At least until the situation seemed clear-cut to them. Pretty much like what Catilina said, everything is possible depending on circumstances, with the help of a little imagination. Like how I viewed how a mage Hawk could have no problem in siding with Orsino although Carver is within the Templar ranks, because he just KNOW that their familial bond is stronger than anything and push comes to shove, Carver WILL put his family first.. and he did. It's a good and reasonable RP view – an overprotective Hawke can be opportunist for his/her sister (not even need to be such an overprotective). My sweetheart warrior Hawke become mad even when just look at Meredith, and disgusted to speak to her, rather wanted to kill her with his own hand. So: while he knew, it would be smarter to co-worked her – or at least don't be openly hostile, he couldn't restrain himself. He knows, this is crazy... So: this strategy to protect her with (seemingly) collaboration until the end is a very logical decision – but if Hawke really loves her and knows her, can't assist Meredith in her mad deed. Carver is a different case – as you said as well. While he can be the only reason to a mage Hawke to end with the Templars (to me, ofc), Carver chose this fate, willingly, driven by his defiance and by some naive beliefs in the "brave, protective knights". To support him and with it to support Meredith's madness seems selfish –and understandable...– but also to try to protect the mages, and let Carver chose again, or let the fate decide, they will face each other in the battlefield, is a very reasonable choice. The point is: Carver already chose* – against Hawke, years ago, and didn't retreat. (It's a possibility, that he chose it to protect his sister/brother –he seems very protective–, but this is another story...) By the way, I have an explanation to Bethany's imprisonment. It's always disturbing to know, that Bethany hid in her whole life, and we know, she's able to avoid the confrontations and doesn't find the troubles. So, she can take care of herself. So here my version (according to this, to betray her at the end, even worse...): She asked Anders about the Circle and found these very interesting and foreshadowing:
Bethany: So, you were in the Circle and ran away. I don't know if I'd be brave enough to do that. Anders: You've been an apostate your whole life. Bethany: Exactly. It was never anything I had to work for. Other people always took the risks, to keep me free.
Seems, she admires Anders' courage, and this motivates her. She doesn't know, she brave enough – but she wants to try. But not the escape, rather protect her remained family, who always took the risks instead of her. We know, Bethany hates to be Grey Warden. She always wanted a normal life, but this blind fate takes her every chance away. But she seems calm in the Circle. Why? The Circle (especially the Kirkwall one) takes her chance to the normal life away as well. This is a prison. Does she like it? I don't think so. Then why? Because this is not a blind fate, this is her decision. Not the Circle take his dreams away, she was who changes her dreams to her family's safety. She wanted to be brave and pay back for her safety. She didn't like the life in the Circle, in fact: hated it. But she protected her family. At the moments she was who took the risks, to keep them safe.
"I'm doing fine! Please don't worry about me."
She was who reported herself. To me, this is the most reliable explanation.
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Post by Liadan on Nov 17, 2018 18:41:00 GMT
Today Hawke went to the Deep Roads. Hawke gathered enough money for Bartrand`s expedition and against his mother`s wishes he took his brother with him to the DeepRoads. They had to find an alternative route for the thaig that Bartrand was looking for, which meant fighting more darkspawn, huge spiders and dragons. They also managed to find Sandal while scouting the place. While exploring the ancient ruins they found a strange lyrium idol and gave it to Bartrand. For their surprise Bartrand betrayed them and sealed their way out of the ruins. While looking for another way out they encountered an Ancient Wraith and the treasure that it was guarding. And when everything seemed to be on track they found out that Carver was infected with the taint. Anders knew that a group of Grey Wardens were in that part of the deeproads and Hawke asked his help in finding them so they could save Carver. Anders managed to convince warden Stroud to take Carver as a recruit. Hawke returned to Kirkwall with a broken heart. They had found a fortune but the price was too deep, for he had lost his brother for the wardens.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 17, 2018 20:37:46 GMT
Another issue is that my Hawke is pro Circle. If Bethany becomes a Circle mage, it will be impossible to justify supporting the Right of Annulment in the end, right? With Bethany in the viel circle, it probably doesn't make sense to support the right of annulment, if you and your sister go along. And I think it depends, what your Hawke thinks about magic.
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Post by melbella on Nov 17, 2018 20:47:23 GMT
Another issue is that my Hawke is pro Circle. If Bethany becomes a Circle mage, it will be impossible to justify supporting the Right of Annulment in the end, right? With Bethany in the viel circle, it probably doesn't make sense to support the right of annulment, if you and your sister go along. And I think it depends, what your Hawke thinks about magic.
It'd be pretty easy to RP a non-mage Hawke who resents the turmoil caused by Malcolm and Bethany being mages. Uprooted non-stop, constantly on the run, hiding from Templars. Such a Hawke might have wished Bethany to have died instead of Carver on leaving Lothering, and might be glad to have her finally in the Circle and no longer being a burden. Leandra wouldn't like it but, too bad, Mom. You shouldn't have run off to marry a mage in the first place!
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 17, 2018 21:00:43 GMT
today Minerva Amell: - succeeded at her Harrowing (well yesterday, but shh! ) - talked to Jowan, who almost made her guilt trip 'cause she wouldn't tell him about the Harrowing - got gossiped about by some random girls (seriously, why's there no option to interact with them to tell them where to shove it?) - talked to Cullen and turned him into a stuttering mess (sorry luv, but you'll have to wait another decade or so for your lovely wife ) - talked with some other random people - then talked to Irving and met Duncan, some more talking was involved - escorted Duncan to his room and bombarded him with questions (which he answered like a boss) - got tackled by Jowan when she left Duncan's room...apparently he had some identity crisis Jowan: come with me so we can talk?
Mina: what's this about? fine...*follows him to the local chapel where they meet with Lily* Jowan: we're safe to talk here
Mina: right...again, what's going on? Jowan: welll....this is Lily and she kinda found out they're going to make me tranquil 'cause there are rumors about me being a blood mage, I need your help to destroy my obligated blood sample so that she and I can escape Mina: ... Jowan: *best attempt at puppy eyes* Mina: alright, just wait here...I'll get my hands dirty for you...again
- went to the stock room, got a form for a rod of fire...she had Senior Enchanter Sweeney sign it Sweeney: burn some Templar trousers for me? Mina: sure thing - cleared the stock room for Senior Enchanter Leorah Mina: damnable spiders
- then she went back to help Jowan with his little plan, which kinda backfired when they left the basement seriously, who thought that blowing up a wall was a good idea? *glares at Jowan who whistles innocently* turns out Jowan lied to her and that he actually was a blood mage, Lily got taken away to the mage prison
Mina: ...I'm so going to kill him! Greagoir: not if we catch him first! Which reminds me...we're going to punish you for helping him
Duncan: not so fast! *Duncan uses Right of conscription, it's highly effective* Greagoir: damnit... , fine just get her out of here Irving: *hands Minerva her things* here are your things, have fun and make us proud Greagoir: was this your plan all along Irving? Irving: I don't know what you're talking about Greagoir: right...of course you don't
- so after that Minerva and Duncan went to Ostagar where she met King Cailan
Minerva: huh...he's kinda pretty Duncan: pretty married too... Minerva: ah man
-- turns out my Minerva Amell is turning into quite the deadpan snarker almost felt like using the snarky options with Cailan as well, but he's just so likeable
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Post by Catilina on Nov 17, 2018 21:09:09 GMT
With Bethany in the viel circle, it probably doesn't make sense to support the right of annulment, if you and your sister go along. And I think it depends, what your Hawke thinks about magic. It'd be pretty easy to RP a non-mage Hawke who resents the turmoil caused by Malcolm and Bethany being mages. Uprooted non-stop, constantly on the run, hiding from Templars. Such a Hawke might have wished Bethany to have died instead of Carver on leaving Lothering, and might be glad to have her finally in the Circle and no longer being a burden. Leandra wouldn't like it but, too bad, Mom. You shouldn't have run off to marry a mage in the first place!
Yes, absolutely! I can imagine a Hawke who blames and hates Malcolm and Bethany for what they born, and who prevent him/her to live a decent life. But if Hawke has any brain, knows, that not the magic, but the Templars hunts the family. By the way, if s/he would hate that, I suppose s/he would leave the family already. Hawke's ~24-25 year old... only one reason s/he stay that s/he cares for Bethany. What else? Not mentioned: Malcolm's and Bethany's magic absolutely not only a "curse". I always imagined that the Hawke family live better than their neighbours, especially because of Malcolm's magic. Don't forget: Meeran paid for mage Hawke/Bethany's ability. Not non-mage Hawke/Carver's abilities.
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Post by melbella on Nov 17, 2018 21:24:35 GMT
if s/he would hate that, I suppose s/he would leave the family already. Hawke's ~24-25 year old... S/he kinda did, by joining up to fight at Ostagar. Before that, well, Leandra is pretty good with the guilt tripping.....
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Post by Catilina on Nov 17, 2018 21:27:57 GMT
if s/he would hate that, I suppose s/he would leave the family already. Hawke's ~24-25 year old... S/he kinda did, by joining up to fight at Ostagar. Before that, well, Leandra is pretty good with the guilt tripping..... Oh, Leandra undoubtedly talented in it.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 17, 2018 22:07:56 GMT
Loaded up DA2 to check on some things and was way to amused at Anders having grown a beard. Maybe he got tired of waiting? that or he thought about matching Hawke (if male), make up for the lack of facial hair in the entire party (if Hawke is female) or thought facial hair would make him even more attractive
(which no Anders...doesn't work on me, you need the complete beard, not just the stache Anders: ah man )
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Post by Catilina on Nov 17, 2018 22:11:24 GMT
Loaded up DA2 to check on some things and was way to amused at Anders having grown a beard. Yay! I'm scared!
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Post by melbella on Nov 17, 2018 22:22:26 GMT
(which no Anders...doesn't work on me, you need the complete beard, not just the stache Anders: ah man ) More like:
Anders: +50 rivalry
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Post by Rascoth on Nov 17, 2018 22:37:34 GMT
Loaded up DA2 to check on some things and was way to amused at Anders having grown a beard. Varric: You want the truth, Seeker? You want to know how Anders trully escaped other Wardens? To avoid suspicion, he dressed up as someone else. The moustached one named Stroud.
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Maybe he got tired of waiting? that or he thought about matching Hawke (if male), make up for the lack of facial hair in the entire party (if Hawke is female) or thought facial hair would make him even more attractive
(which no Anders...doesn't work on me, you need the complete beard, not just the stache Anders: ah man ) Well I did see it in a save where he got out alive. So maybe he was working on his Stroud disguise like Rascoth said. Got curious how he'd pull off a proper beard. Looks kinda wise magey man. Or like he glued some hair to his face I guess...
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Post by Rascoth on Nov 17, 2018 23:18:39 GMT
Maybe he got tired of waiting? that or he thought about matching Hawke (if male), make up for the lack of facial hair in the entire party (if Hawke is female) or thought facial hair would make him even more attractive
(which no Anders...doesn't work on me, you need the complete beard, not just the stache Anders: ah man ) Well I did see it in a save where he got out alive. So maybe he was working on his Stroud disguise like Rascoth said. Got curious how he'd pull off a proper beard. Looks kinda wise magey man. Or like he glued some hair to his face I guess... Now that's how Mad Hermit looked like in his youth
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Post by Catilina on Nov 18, 2018 0:34:39 GMT
Maybe he got tired of waiting? that or he thought about matching Hawke (if male), make up for the lack of facial hair in the entire party (if Hawke is female) or thought facial hair would make him even more attractive
(which no Anders...doesn't work on me, you need the complete beard, not just the stache Anders: ah man ) Well I did see it in a save where he got out alive. So maybe he was working on his Stroud disguise like Rascoth said. Got curious how he'd pull off a proper beard. Looks kinda wise magey man. Or like he glued some hair to his face I guess... Stop it, please. JUST. STOP. IT!
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 18, 2018 11:24:03 GMT
Today in the continuing adventures of Wulfric Aeducan: an end to continuing. No matter how and why the Warden joins up, it's sort of an escalating series of bad news from there. I mean, sure Duncan saved your Warden's life (or at least rescued them from imprisonment if they're a mage) but somehow he failed to cover 'drink darkspawn blood in this weird ritual or I'll shank you' or 'you'll have dreams about the Archdemon and die in thirty years tops' OR 'oh, and only we can kill the Archdemon and if you're the lucky one to take the final blow it will destroy your soul. Good luck!' Not that Wulfric was surprised that the Wardens hid the truth. He'd probably have tried to fight Duncan back then instead of submitting if he'd known the truth. Now, though ... the more I think about it, the more I think the most important conversation in this entire run was that story Wynne tells about how a good and true king sacrifices himself for his people. If you'd asked pre-origin Wulfric why he wanted to be king of Orzammar, he'd have looked at you like you'd taken leave of your senses - doesn't everyone want power and glory??? He'd have thought Wynne's story was preaching and stupid. But being cut off from all that gave him a new perspective. He actually got to thinking about what people do with power when they have it. He'd never admit it to her, but watching how Wynne handled her magic gave him a lot to consider. ... and then Morrigan, a mage he neither liked nor trusted, came to tell him that there was more weird human magic he could do to save his own life. And that if he did it, he'd be fathering another son that he'd never see or talk to. So one of these days maybe I will make an Aedcaun Warden that actually survives the final battle, but, uh, not today. I've had Wardens react a lot of ways to Morrigan's 'but what about your love interest? Don't you want to save them?' line over the years - two of them were swayed by it to the point where the agreed to the ritual. Wulfric just responded 'you're very cruel. Do you know that?' And as someone who had been cruel himself plenty of times, he would know. He almost told Zevran to leave. My mouse pointer hovered over that option in the interface for a good thirty seconds while I tried to figure out if I could stand watching the funeral, but in the end I stayed strong and decided to go all the way through with it. If you're going to do a horrible thing to fictional people, might as well do all of it. When they reached the city gates, it was time to say goodbye. He left Alistair behind - never put all your Warden eggs in one basket - and took Shale and Wynne and Zevran with him. When he got his final dialogue option with Zevran he picked 'just as well you're a lousy assassin' instead of 'I love you' and I think that might be the saddest part of the whole thing. Neither of them ever quite admitted that they were in love. (Zevran responds 'cruel to the end. That's why I adore you.' Which, just as well I guess.) ... and of course that's the last time in the game that you make an actual plot choice. From there it's just a long fight with lots of darkspawn to get to the top of the tower. Thanks to the Grey Wardens of Ferelden mod, Wulfric was able to dress appropriately:
Everyone was sad. Especially me because I made Anora queen and Alistair's funeral speech delivery is much better. (Just like his speech before the attack on Denerim. Anora might be a better administrator, but Alistair is the ruler of giving stirring speeches.) At least his body was returned home. Wulfric didn't know if he believed in souls, or that the Stone was really what you returned to when you died, but he did know he did the right thing for once in his life. If he'd had time to leave notes for everyone, here's what he would have said: Alistair, I still think you'd make a lousy king but you're a hell of a Grey Warden. Stop doubting yourself.
Leliana, I don't believe in your crazy human religion and you weird me out. Thank you for helping me anyway.
Oghren, please try to make something out of your life on the surface. I did.
Shale, don't regret your choices. I don't regret mine.
Wynne, having you around made me wonder what it would have been like to have a mother growing up. I think it might have been pretty good.
Urtok, be a good boy while I'm gone.
Zevran, I'm sorry. You can do better.(And now I'm going to take a few days off before I start on Awakening with an Orlesian Warden.)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 18, 2018 11:41:57 GMT
(which no Anders...doesn't work on me, you need the complete beard, not just the stache Anders: ah man ) More like:
Anders: +50 rivalry
sounds about right on that note, I'm having a hard time rivaling him 'cause my Hawke's tend to support the mages one time I had to cheat to get him on rivalry path...which is kinda bleh Maybe he got tired of waiting? that or he thought about matching Hawke (if male), make up for the lack of facial hair in the entire party (if Hawke is female) or thought facial hair would make him even more attractive
(which no Anders...doesn't work on me, you need the complete beard, not just the stache Anders: ah man ) Well I did see it in a save where he got out alive. So maybe he was working on his Stroud disguise like Rascoth said. Got curious how he'd pull off a proper beard. Looks kinda wise magey man. Or like he glued some hair to his face I guess... Dorian: apostate hobo more like Vivienne: unwashed apostate hobo to be specific me: true story that
I love Anders in Awakening, but in 2 he's just...yeah...either he was always a bit creepy, or Justice turned him into a creepy apostate hobo stalker
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Post by Catilina on Nov 18, 2018 15:27:25 GMT
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