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Post by shaqfu on May 4, 2020 2:36:22 GMT
Finished up Trespasser with my latest inquisitor. Likely will be my second world state I use whenever the next game comes out. Now just gotta wait and hope they show some stuff soon.
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Post by phoray on May 4, 2020 12:02:39 GMT
Would have been nice if we could have visited the actual camp at Skyhold, the one visible from the castle walls. I think Iron Bull's chat is meant to be there except if you build the training area in the courtyard before having it, the two happen in the same place, which is very distracting to say the least. Seems very unlikely the soldiers would be pitching their tents in the courtyard. I've always envisioned Skyhold - both the building and the grounds - to be so much bigger than portrayed. I would have loved to have been able to explore it more. Yeah, it did seem like it was about the same size as our castle in Amaranthine. And then we still somehow kept the dying in the courtyard. Or maybe even, Ostagar is about as big as Shyhold and we didn't even get to see the other half of camp, where the army actually was. I dunno what to say, Ostagar and what I recall of the deep roads makes DAI feel small. Maybe it's the ability to look up? At a super tall ceiling that goes on forever? Or a sky that looks just as far away
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 6, 2020 13:37:08 GMT
Just hit the frostback basin and now all sorts of fun is happening. Guessing this zone has an issue with certain mods? Can't seem to go 5 min without the game locking up on me, had no other issues so far in the base game or the descent dlc. Anybody know of any specific types of mods that zone doesnt like? Update: Figured it out. If anybody else has any trouble just make sure you have any mods disabled that change the inquisition uniform colors, doesn't play well in that dlc The DLC zones can be quiet finicky with mods unfortunately with DAI. There aer mods that kind of fix it at least with hairs though not sure about other things. www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/mods/2712
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 6, 2020 13:42:15 GMT
Whew. Irving's got a cold bitter heart, to be dooming Lily to make a point Got Amell to Ostagar. Man, playing a goodie two shoes is boring. But I did find how he ends up with Morrigan.his flaw is curiosity. Yeah plan on doing an Amell myself on my next run.
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Post by fylimar on May 6, 2020 13:53:05 GMT
Alayne Hawke got finally a bit more adventuring done. She drove the slavers from the Amell estate, made contact with ex grey warden and cat lover Anders and promised him to help to free his friend (even if she is not keen on getting noticed by the templars as a mage) and delivered the amulett of Flemeth to the Dalish.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 6, 2020 14:25:41 GMT
I'm currently dubbing whether I want Amell or Surana as my canon Warden on one hand, Amell has a nice tie-in with Hawke but on the other hand, Surana has a very nice blank slate ripe for loads of head canon and rp-ing plus the Dalish are kinder to Surana then they are to Amell... but for some reason my human characters in Origins tend to look better then my elven ones hm...decisions decisions
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 6, 2020 15:09:36 GMT
Alayne Hawke got finally a bit more adventuring done. She drove the slavers from the Amell estate, made contact with ex grey warden and cat lover Anders and promised him to help to free his friend (even if she is not keen on getting noticed by the templars as a mage) and delivered the amulett of Flemeth to the Dalish.
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Post by fylimar on May 6, 2020 19:15:29 GMT
Alayne Hawke got finally a bit more adventuring done. She drove the slavers from the Amell estate, made contact with ex grey warden and cat lover Anders and promised him to help to free his friend (even if she is not keen on getting noticed by the templars as a mage) and delivered the amulett of Flemeth to the Dalish.
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Yeah although Kate is a good person and a talented actress as she proved with Star Trek Voyager when playing Janewa ysh edefinitely has tha tevil witch tone about her voice which works wondres with Flemeth. Cute Hawke btw Thanks. I'm a big Star Trek fan, but I never really warmed up to Voyager, despite me liking Kate Mulgrew, but I think, she really shines as Flemeth.
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Post by phoray on May 7, 2020 1:26:43 GMT
Wow. Jory becomes a stuttering fool.merely for you mentioning you're a mage. What a coward, no wonder. He's such an inappropriate choice. If Duncan had seen how he acted in the wilds, he would have told him to go home.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 7, 2020 9:37:42 GMT
Wow. Jory becomes a stuttering fool.merely for you mentioning you're a mage. What a coward, no wonder. He's such an inappropriate choice. If Duncan had seen how he acted in the wilds, he would have told him to go home. yeah...the only time he's somewhat decent is if you play a Human Noble male other times he's either surprised you're a woman or a non-human I'm like...READ YOU HISTORY JORY! 'cause for a knight he knows fairly little of it (I always thought knights knew at least some history, even Alistair knows more then that)
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 7, 2020 10:01:12 GMT
phoray LadyofNemesisDid anyone else wonder why exactly Duncan allowed Jory to tag along? I mean... I guess Duncan new about his family for example and how that could compromise Jory's dedication. On the other hand, perhaps either Duncan was that desperate for any kind of recruit or Jory, upon hearing about the Wardens, latched on Duncan and pestered him to join until Duncan was like "Fine. But if you freak out and try to turn tail and I need to kill you off to keep our secrets, it is not my fault."
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 7, 2020 10:10:19 GMT
phoray LadyofNemesis Did anyone else wonder why exactly Duncan allowed Jory to tag along? I mean... I guess Duncan new about his family for example and how that could compromise Jory's dedication. On the other hand, perhaps either Duncan was that desperate for any kind of recruit or Jory, upon hearing about the Wardens, latched on Duncan and pestered him to join until Duncan was like "Fine. But if you freak out and try to turn tail and I need to kill you off to keep our secrets, it is not my fault." yeah, I mean...I can at least respect his decision to recruit Daveth...he basically sees himself in the guy (young Duncan was also a thief, among other things)
but Jory? ...meh, I just tend to ignore him...even the options while interacting with him in the wilds are pretty blunt "so you abandoned her (his wife)?" and he's all about "glory this, glory that"...I think you're onto something with Jory pestering Duncan into recruiting him
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Post by Sonya on May 7, 2020 10:49:00 GMT
plus the Dalish are kinder to Surana then they are to Amell... Do they? I recall such words as "outsider" + "arrows" to each GW. The Dalish GW is the only one having a warm welcome.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 7, 2020 11:07:40 GMT
plus the Dalish are kinder to Surana then they are to Amell... Do they? I recall such words as "outsider" + "arrows" to each GW. The Dalish GW is the only one having a warm welcome. well...I wouldn't say "kinder" but they kinda treat them like Tabris...so an outsider who they sorta pity but fact remains they're more open to Surana/Tabris then they are toward Amell/Cousland
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Post by Sonya on May 7, 2020 11:11:20 GMT
I can at least respect his decision to recruit Daveth Yep. Before the very Joining there are some dialogue options where he says brave and important things. Even if Duncan saw in Daveth himself, Daveth was ready even to die, not like Jory. Hell, Daveth even talks to Jory like to a child explaining obvious things. But Jory? ------ Think they both have their fates to show players GW so-called secrets (that even Anora knows about and Riordan tells in front of everyone in the end of the game). Daveth dies so not all can survive and we just stand and watch how Daveth is dying in agony. Who wants such a fate? Thus it is a secret. Jory is killed by Duncan as Jory knows another secret - drinking tainted blood. Think he is showed like a coward for further cutscene where he refuses to drink the blood of those creatures. Think such character as Jory suits the most to show what happens to those who agreed with the terms, knew about some secret and finally saw what it was. Coward person fits in just fine in this case. But at the same time Jory shows Duncan not in the best light indeed. As if Duncan was really stupid to get Jory.
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Post by Sonya on May 7, 2020 11:19:15 GMT
well...I wouldn't say "kinder" but they kinda treat them like Tabris...so an outsider who they sorta pity but fact remains they're more open to Surana/Tabris then they are toward Amell/Cousland Hmm, maybe I recall only the first meeting with Mithra threatening with arrows. Now busy with some other thing, but need to check all elves (have them all waiting in the camp anyway).
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Post by Sonya on May 7, 2020 15:47:49 GMT
well...I wouldn't say "kinder" but they kinda treat them like Tabris...so an outsider who they sorta pity but fact remains they're more open to Surana/Tabris then they are toward Amell/Cousland I was wrong. Now my main DAO PT is CO GW and have just visited the Dalish. And indeed members of the clan were kinder to my elf in comparison to NO GW (my last PT) and to my DC GW (the last but one PT). Kinder, more polite, trusted more. So, I am sorry. Forgot this part.
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Post by Jarovbees on May 8, 2020 1:55:18 GMT
I haven't yet finished my current DAI run, but even so I reinstalled Origins for another new playthrough or two. And then this happened.
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Post by Sokemis on May 8, 2020 4:02:29 GMT
Really thought that at least one good thing to come out of this quarantine is that I'd get more time to play - working from home, so no commute, no having to run errands after work... But it turns out one can only sit in the same seat and stare at the same screen for so long before the body rebels. (As much as I'm thankful my job was able to set us up to work from home, I really, really miss my dual monitors instead of having to squish everything onto one. And I would like to formally apologize to by sit-to-stand office desk for taking it for granted all this time). Anyway, was planning to wait until after Haven to post, but only have one Warden all the way through it (the other is close) and I didn't feel like waiting any longer... After saving the Circle, the Wardens and Co continued on their way to Denerim to seek out clues about the Urn of Sacred Ashes. On the way, the found an escaped prisoner who used to part of King Cailan's honor guard. He told us of Cailan's chest hidden back at Ostagar and the location of the hidden key. Also met up with a group of adventures that were on their way to Denerim to turn in some accused blood mages. Naliea started to threatened them, but they didn't seem to committed to their "quest" since the leader backed down pretty quickly. Guess we're getting a however-many month reunion. (I really need to sit down sometime and figure out an actual timeline for this game...) Love the sudden "Wait. What?". Dude goes from "LOL" to "Abort mission!" in about a second. Before arriving in Denerim, Naliea insisted that she and Zevran change out of obvious armor and not openly carry weapons (at least not carry they around the market district). Zevran thinks she's joking at first and the others are confused - but a lifetime of hearing "Elves who have swords will die upon them." and doing all she could to not attract the attention of guards, have made her very serious about that. Not saying she and Zev didn't have multiple weapons on them, just that they were hidden. Naliea remembered why she never payed much attention to the chantry folk when she found out that the only elf that had been in the Chant of Light got written out. She saw an old contact and left Lora to talk with sisters and check the chantry board in favor of some possibly more profitable "jobs". {Slim is elf-blooded and, IIRC lived in the alienage. I think it's very likely that at some point Slim worked with or at least acted as a contact/fence for N (and/or even Adaia)} The Wardens were rather loudly accused of being traitors and killing the King. Luckily for them (and especially for Ser Landry) Naliea was too distracted trying to figure out if he and Zev are somehow related and Lora was able to defuse the situation peacefully. And while Lora and Alistair were trying to find out where Brother Genitivi, Naliea ran across some suspicious merchants. It was totally Cahir that runs off to find a new friend - he's still a bit puppyish and Moria's too well trained for that. I think she's my favorite chantry sister Tells the best stories too I think Naliea is going to be stealing that line, lol. And will probably pair it with "and he really had it coming". (One of her common phrases is "Well, he started it".) I knew they had the same voice actor, but I really heard it more so than usual this playthrough. I am now convinced that Landry is actually elf-blooded with a elven relation living in Antiva. Haven't quite figured out the details of how they're related yet though... Naliea: "Just so we're all on the same page... Crow?" Zevran: *gives her a "Do you really have to ask?" look* Naliea: *fingers one of her hidden daggers* "Yeah, that's what I thought" Of course being back in Denerim, Naliea was hoping to see her family - but that of course wasn't going to happen. Now she blames herself for the purge (since it was actually her that killed the Arl's son) - she has memories of the last purge when she was a little kid and death of her cousin's family. Naliea started to argue with the guard and make a scene trying to get into the Alienage, until Leliana calmed down the guard while Zev carefully steered her away from the crowd. The two promptly took her to Pearl and got her drunk (you can get drunk in a tavern just as easy, but they both know places like the Pearl pride themselves on privacy), where she gave them abridged version of what happened the day she was conscripted (leaving out what exactly they were celebrating that day). While there, after more than a few drinks, Naliea suddenly remembers the flyer by the alienage and goes to see what that is all about. She is just drunk enough that she has trouble with the password ("Err... sausages?") until Leli reminds her. Surprise, surprise, it's a trap. After just hearing about the purge, N is more than happy to take out a few of Howe's lackeys. Yeah, she really didn't take that news well... As much as Naliea was hoping for a family reunion, I think Alistair is regretting getting his even more. The next morning Lora and a more-than-slightly hungover Naliea pay a visit to this Brother Genitivi, who is supposed to have some information about the supposed location of the Sacred Urn. The Brother isn't there, but the Wardens do talk with his assistant Weylon, and discover that Genitivi has gone missing while searching from the Urn. It doesn't take the ladies long to realize that something isn't right, and in turn discover the real Weylon is dead and the imposter has some part to play in Brother Genitivi's disappearance. Realizing it's most likely a trap, they still decide to stop by the inn on their way to this town of Haven. It's a good place to stop for the night otherwise and they might be able to find out more information. To be fair to Fake Weylon, he was probably done the moment they walked through his door. Both saw through him, Naliea is just the more blunt of the two and therefore the one more likely to call him out on his BS. On their way out of town, Naliea received a mysterious note from the merchant *cough*Crow*cough* Ignacio. Telling the others that they'll catch up, she takes Zevran, Leliana, and Cahir to go meet him. Naliea isn't sure what she's expecting, maybe an ambush?, but a job offer certainly wasn't it. Although she's not thrilled with the idea, she agrees to take on the jobs with the hopes of getting the Crows of the warden's, and Zev's, back. While they were there, she also completed another job for Slim. This is why I like going to the Pearl before meeting with Ignacio. It's so fun to completely throw him off when you let him know you've already killed the first marks. I can just picture Zev giving him his best "told ya so" look there at the end, lol. For the burglary quest, I once again stuck Zevran in front of the guard and told him to look pretty and distract her. And once again he didn't disappoint - talking to Leliana about her vows and the ways he'd be willing to help her relieve any pent-up "urges". (Last time I played through this character I did the same thing - that time he asked Wynne about moonlight orgies at the top of the mage tower.) On the way to the inn we stopped in and gave Loghain's troops the "support" they deserved, since we were in the neighborhood anyway. We're so helpful Also picked up a golem control rod along the way, or at least that's what the merchant claimed it was. Maybe after finding this village of Haven (and hopefully the Ashes as well), we can try to find the golem and test it out. And in the romance department: Lora got a rose, Alistair got a kiss or two, Naliea went on her first date, and Zevran got a new sparing partner. Randomness: The little crow dancing around the big Crow's feet made me smile Oh don't worry, we'll give Loghain what he deserves alright And in this week's edition of "who wore it better"... What the fuck is wrong with my dog's leg and does Denerim have a vet? Even Naliea was like "WFT Sten?" (When she said "would someone else like to handle this" I thought Wynne or even Zev would take that one. But nope, Sten just jumped right on in there.) Approval rating: Adding for my own reference, curious to see how the Wardens' relationships with their companions develop. I'm trying to do these playthroughs true to character, and not playing nice simply to raise approval... Not much of a change since finishing the Circle - not that I really expected one. This biggest changes came with 10-12 increase with the LIs. Naliea Tabris - Alistair: -13 Morrigan: +21 Leliana: +18 Sten: +72 Zevran: +37 {interested} Wynne: +8
Lora Cousland - Alistair: +62 {interested} Morrigan: -8 Leliana: +24 Sten: +5 Zevran: -4 Wynne: +16
Naliea & Lora ≈ +7 ETA: I would also just like to say for the record that Zevran looks good in Witcher armour. Naliea was definitely ogling him when she thought he wasn't looking (he totally caught her looking).
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 8, 2020 22:13:04 GMT
phoray LadyofNemesis Did anyone else wonder why exactly Duncan allowed Jory to tag along? I mean... I guess Duncan new about his family for example and how that could compromise Jory's dedication. On the other hand, perhaps either Duncan was that desperate for any kind of recruit or Jory, upon hearing about the Wardens, latched on Duncan and pestered him to join until Duncan was like "Fine. But if you freak out and try to turn tail and I need to kill you off to keep our secrets, it is not my fault." It's possible h ewas desperaet as he did know tha tFerelden was about t oface a potential lBlight even if h edidn't know then it's quite possible he suspected given Grey Wardens connection to it. Sowanted as man yhansd on deck as he could muster. Especially as he was the current Warden Commander before our Hero took over
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Post by melbella on May 8, 2020 23:27:26 GMT
Really thought that at least one good thing to come out of this quarantine is that I'd get more time to play - working from home, so no commute, no having to run errands after work... But it turns out one can only sit in the same seat and stare at the same screen for so long before the body rebels I know! After 8+ hours in my home computer chair working, that last thing I want to do is sit in my chair for fun. Give me my comfy recliner at that point, which means more reading, less gaming.
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Post by Sokemis on May 8, 2020 23:35:08 GMT
phoray LadyofNemesis Did anyone else wonder why exactly Duncan allowed Jory to tag along? I mean... I guess Duncan new about his family for example and how that could compromise Jory's dedication. On the other hand, perhaps either Duncan was that desperate for any kind of recruit or Jory, upon hearing about the Wardens, latched on Duncan and pestered him to join until Duncan was like "Fine. But if you freak out and try to turn tail and I need to kill you off to keep our secrets, it is not my fault." It's possible h ewas desperaet as he did know tha tFerelden was about t oface a potential lBlight even if h edidn't know then it's quite possible he suspected given Grey Wardens connection to it. Sowanted as man yhansd on deck as he could muster. Especially as he was the current Warden Commander before our Hero took over In general I'm sure Duncan was looking to get a some more recruits with the Blight upon them. Even a "not as good" choice is still a choice when you're desperate. I think as to why Jory in particular was chosen is because he won a tournament. What has me confused is when that tournament was though, because I think it took place in Highever. Jory couldn't have been a recruit for too long, yet Duncan travelled all the way back up there to pick up Cousland. If he was considering recruiting Cousland and possibly Ser Gilmore, why not try and do so when he recruited Jory? Same goes for Daveth, what was the time between him being recruited and Tabris being recruited. Did Duncan recruit the two of them and send them down to Ostagar with Alistair and the other Wardens, while he stayed up north looking for more potential recruits?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 9, 2020 11:02:18 GMT
In general I'm sure Duncan was looking to get a some more recruits with the Blight upon them. Even a "not as good" choice is still a choice when you're desperate. I think as to why Jory in particular was chosen is because he won a tournament. What has me confused is when that tournament was though, because I think it took place in Highever. Jory couldn't have been a recruit for too long, yet Duncan travelled all the way back up there to pick up Cousland. If he was considering recruiting Cousland and possibly Ser Gilmore, why not try and do so when he recruited Jory? Same goes for Daveth, what was the time between him being recruited and Tabris being recruited. Did Duncan recruit the two of them and send them down to Ostagar with Alistair and the other Wardens, while he stayed up north looking for more potential recruits? I do think that's the general gist of things
for example, the Dwarf Commoner origin takes place a few days/weeks before the Noble does (as evident when you go to the Proving and the trainer tells you about the incident) so Duncan is likely in the city for a few weeks at least in order to recruit either the Commoner or Noble
hypothetically, if we consider he went to each location in turn, imo. he likely would've started up in Denerim where he would've recruited Daveth, then to Highever (or wherever the tournament took place) to recruit Jory then he moves west toward Orzammar where he potentially recruits either Brosca or Aeducan
then to the Circle Tower to recruit Amell/Surana, back to Highever to recruit Cousland, then Denerim for Tabris Mahariel would've been recruited last in this scenario, since their origin's location is closest to Ostagar which would allow for their survival before the Joining took place
this also gives both Daveth and Jory time to arrive in Ostagar before Duncan and the Warden do, and enough time for Duncan to send word to the other Wardens (and Alistair) to let them know he found the Warden as another potential recruit
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Post by Sonya on May 9, 2020 13:05:09 GMT
In general I'm sure Duncan was looking to get a some more recruits with the Blight upon them. Even a "not as good" choice is still a choice when you're desperate. I think as to why Jory in particular was chosen is because he won a tournament. What has me confused is when that tournament was though, because I think it took place in Highever. Jory couldn't have been a recruit for too long, yet Duncan travelled all the way back up there to pick up Cousland. If he was considering recruiting Cousland and possibly Ser Gilmore, why not try and do so when he recruited Jory? Same goes for Daveth, what was the time between him being recruited and Tabris being recruited. Did Duncan recruit the two of them and send them down to Ostagar with Alistair and the other Wardens, while he stayed up north looking for more potential recruits? May I ask: what is your opinion of Duncan? I mean his traits of character, shrewd, honorable, but can lie if needed and that is fine for you etc.; such things. Understand that as a game character one can write a whole thesis about Duncan, but in general, if it is not difficult.
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Post by Sokemis on May 9, 2020 17:15:00 GMT
May I ask: what is your opinion of Duncan? I mean his traits of character, shrewd, honorable, but can lie if needed and that is fine for you etc.; such things. Understand that as a game character one can write a whole thesis about Duncan, but in general, if it is not difficult. Want to start by saying that I haven't read any of the novels (have just a basic idea of what happens in them), so just based off Origins. Most basic answer is that I think he's a very good Warden. Smart, capable, skilled, and willing to do what's needed to defeat the Darkspawn/stop the Blight. That being said, I don't think of him as highly as Alistair does. I also have no doubt that after delving into characters heads and their thoughts on him have probably further shaped my views on him - especially those of my canon Tabris. I think he could have done something more to prevent what happened in the City Elf origin. Maybe he could have, maybe not, but a part of me can't help but feel (and maybe this is just Naliea talking) that he used it almost as a test to see if Tabris was indeed worth recruiting. If they survived, conscripted. If not, oh well on to the next. And also the human noble origin - basically telling a dying man that he'll save his wife and daughter only if he promises that his daughter will join the Wardens was a bit of a dick move. So in general, a basically good man and a good Warden - but not the perfect person/hero that Alistair sees him as. You?
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