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Post by Slyvalyth on Nov 20, 2018 2:52:01 GMT
So I got Minerva past her Harrowing again (she's in the tower), should take me another day or so to get back to the part where I left of last time
Here's another part of her journal that I forgot to post last time The Fade is a realm of dreams and nightmares, ever changing and ever shifting. The First Enchanter always taught me, that when you find yourself in the Fade, that the only thing you can trust is that which you bring yourself. Thus, when I encountered a talking mouse, my first instinct was skepticism. Even more so when it transformed itself into a human being, I often wonder if there is actual magic that teaches one to do so, there are stories of course…but the Circle would never teach such things. Mouse, as this entity called itself, offered to guide me through my test, an offer I accepted with hesitation. After all, aside from the spirits in the Fade, no other mages or apprentices were present. Further along the way I found another spirit calling itself Valor, it was ever working at a large forge making weapons of pure energy. It offered to aid me in my test, provided I’d defeat it in combat. It wasn’t a very tough fight, bit it made me wary…if this spirit could fight me so easily…how was I to defeat my demon? I encountered another spirit calling itself Sloth, who appeared like a strange bear, and would’ve tried to kill me if it had not been so lazy. Mouse confided that it looked powerful and could perhaps even teach it to be stronger. Sloth said he would teach Mouse, but I would have to answer it’s riddles first. To bad for it that I am quite good at riddles, when I won it taught Mouse to be stronger, and his new form of a bear came quite handy. The demon called for my test itself turned out to be one of Rage, which I recall later found quite strange at the time. I’ve never found myself easy to anger, I tend to keep to myself and keep my emotions to myself. What if…this demon was not my test at all? What if something else had been called here, something more powerful, that I would not be able to resist. Was this why this test was so feared, because escaping was near impossible? No…there had to be a way, one that did not mean changing into a monster. After the defeat of Rage, Mouse congratulated me on a job well done, it played with the notion of being able to leave…even though he had told me earlier that would be impossible for him, unless he had help. I looked at him, and finally understood what was going on. I called out on his bluff, saying HE was my test, he was the spirit called to challenge me. He laughed and said that killing me would be easier, but Pride…especially my own pride, was so much more powerful then anything. He told me to keep my wits about me, my test had ended, but he implied…that true tests never end. Part of me felt comfort in this, knowing he was out there in the Fade, looking out for me. It wasn’t a scary thought, Mouse was…what was he anyway? A deceased apprentice who’s spirit still lingered, helping those who came after him? A demon, send to toy with the minds of gullible youngsters? No, Mouse did not feel like Sloth, or Rage…he’d been Pride, but even so…pride, as I would learn later, wasn’t always a bad thing. After my Harrowing, whenever I entered the fade or would cast a spell, I could feel his presence, ever watchful, like a guiding hand. He was Wisdom and knowledge, and he would help me, whenever I needed him. ---- 0000 ----
When I next came to, I found myself back in my bed, my friend Jowan standing over me. Apparently, he hadn’t even noticed my absence until morning. He asked me about the Harrowing, I told him it was harrowing, but not much else, something that he found irritating…we were friends he said. But I knew telling him would only worry him for when he own time would come. As if reading my thoughts, he muttered it was long overdue for his own Harrowing, he had no idea when they’d call him, and feared that instead they’d make him Tranquil. Jowan had never been very good at magic, his spells often failing no matter how simple. I pretended to be weak, while he was the one who was weaker. Though lately…I wondered, Jowan has become better in recent months, had he been practicing in secret, so he’d catch up to me? Or…no, nothing of that. There had been rumors of course, but nothing that would link it back to Jowan, I refused to believe them, and kept myself at that. He was not a blood mage. Jowan told me that the First Enchanter would like to see me, probably about the Harrowing, but like he pointed out, one could never tell with the man. On the wikia there's this note about Mouse possibly being a spirit of Wisdom who adapts to the Warden's perceptions and becomes a Pride demon I rather like that idea, and am using it for my head canon. to Minerva, Mouse becomes what Faith is to Wynne, a guiding hand and a companion of sorts, he's also often her snark buddy I'm using several mods, such as Dragon Age Redesigned and Mages of Ferelden (also Grey Wardens of Ferelden) as well as some other appearance mods, most of which are lore friendly I really like that you have a guide. In Joseph Campbell's The Hero's Journey, the reluctant hero would run into a being that would be his/her mentor along the way. Like Ben Kenobi to Luke Skywalker.
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Post by Slyvalyth on Nov 20, 2018 2:54:57 GMT
Today a son lost his mother, a father lost his son, and the Arishok declared war to Kirkwall. Hawke managed to enter the Viscount`s keep with the help of Knight-Commander Meridith and First-Enchanter Orsino and Isabela returned with the stolen book. Hawke had a duel to the death with the Arishok, saved the city from the Qunari attack and was declared Champion of Kirkwall. I just did this whole section by making choices through Dragon Keep without ever playing the game. Nice to see visuals of what my choices would've looked.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 20, 2018 17:34:59 GMT
I really like that you have a guide. In Joseph Campbell's The Hero's Journey, the reluctant hero would run into a being that would be his/her mentor along the way. Like Ben Kenobi to Luke Skywalker. Thank you ^^
now all that's left for me is to decide what are 'wise' decisions to make in the game seeing as Mouse is a spirit of Wisdom in my head canon, it stands to reason they'd make decisions based on what is considered the wise course of action most options and decisions are rather grey, and we only find out in later installments what impact those decisions have on the world
(examples being the ruler(s) of Orzammar and Ferelden) so yeah...gotta figure that out
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Post by Slyvalyth on Nov 20, 2018 18:36:30 GMT
Almost forget to react: The smuggler way is the less bloody probably, half of my Hawkes went for it, and perhaps better to hiding. With Fenris, a sarcastic Hawke is very good, just as with Anders. Hawke with this sometimes blunt sarcasm and stupid jokes able to counterbalance their seriousness, and bring back their sense of humour. But aggressive Hawke has a mystical chemistry with Fenris. I'm curious of your story and PT. Will work on Lucian's story tonight and hopefully have something for you to read after Thanksgiving
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Post by Liadan on Nov 20, 2018 21:31:59 GMT
Brann Hawke had a busy day: fought and defeated Danarius (Fenris let his sister live); destroyed the criminal gangs that were attacking Kirkwall at night; hunted a High Dragon; had a meeting with Meredith and was threatened by her; killed an abomination; killed a crazy blood mage and sent an idiot mage back to the Circle.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 21, 2018 20:20:38 GMT
So I just walked past Senior Enchanter Torrin and Niall, and they're talking about events that will happen during Inquisition (the Mage/Templar war) Torrin wonders what will happen if the Circle would pull away from the Chantry entirely, with Niall pointing out it won't be pretty Torrin then says "ah the short-sighted Libertarians, they'll get their way and take us all down with them" < which is basically what kinda happens during the events of Inquisition
I'm playing my Amell as a Aequitarian, who believes in coexisting with the Templars, and has hopes that one day the people of Thedas will let go of their hate and fear so that the Circles won't be needed anymore (or at least less needed as a prison)
However, as I've mentioned in a previous post, Minerva is often guided by Mouse who in my head canon is a spirit of Wisdom, which in turn makes Minerva make rational and (hopefully) wise decisions.
with that in mind, a character like Minerva, when finding out later in the game that the Tower is taken over by abominations and blood mages...
would she safe the Circle knowing she might let several blood mages life (who could cause more trouble along the line), or would she be more sympathetic to Cullen's pleas of Annulling the Circle? the rational decision would be to Annul the Circle (get rid of the problem quickly and hopefully safely), however there are also several innocent people (mostly children) in the Circle who did nothing wrong and are likely just caught within the crossfire
I've personally never done the Templar sides in any of the games (okay that's a lie, I did play Champions of the Just, but the Envy demon gives me nightmares so I won't be playing that mission again any time soon) the mages are often portrayed as victims of circumstance (most a circumstance of birth), I also tend to play 'good' characters, and the Templars are often seen as the baddies
I'm wondering what a rational but still morally good character would do in such a situation
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2018 20:36:17 GMT
LadyofNemesis Wynne is an Aequtarian, she would die for the Circle, for the Mages inside. Zevran's opinion during the Broken Circle, if the Warden supports the Annulment: Warden: What about the people they might slaughter? Zevran: Might, not will. Committing genocide just because something might happen is more than the mark of a weak mind. It is insanity. And even Duncan said, he needs more mages. The Templars only swords, the Dwarves able to give swords. So: the Aequitarian and the pragmatic solution also to save the mages. Not mentioned, this is the humane solution, especially as a mage.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 21, 2018 21:04:51 GMT
LadyofNemesis Wynne is an Aequtarian, she would die for the Circle, for the Mages inside. Zevran's opinion during the Broken Circle, if the Warden supports the Annulment: Warden: What about the people they might slaughter? Zevran: Might, not will. Committing genocide just because something might happen is more than the mark of a weak mind. It is insanity. And even Duncan said, he needs more mages. The Templars only swords, the Dwarves able to give swords. So: the Aequitarian and the pragmatic solution also to save the mages. Not mentioned, this is the humane solution, especially as a mage. hoh, I've never had Zevran in my party during the Circle (mostly 'cause I tend to do that quest first and get him afterwards) that's a great line from him and seeing as insanity is the opposite of being wise... so yay for saving the Circle...again
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2018 21:14:53 GMT
LadyofNemesis Wynne is an Aequtarian, she would die for the Circle, for the Mages inside. Zevran's opinion during the Broken Circle, if the Warden supports the Annulment: Warden: What about the people they might slaughter? Zevran: Might, not will. Committing genocide just because something might happen is more than the mark of a weak mind. It is insanity. And even Duncan said, he needs more mages. The Templars only swords, the Dwarves able to give swords. So: the Aequitarian and the pragmatic solution also to save the mages. Not mentioned, this is the humane solution, especially as a mage. hoh, I've never had Zevran in my party during the Circle (mostly 'cause I tend to do that quest first and get him afterwards) that's a great line from him and seeing as insanity is the opposite of being wise... so yay for saving the Circle...again The whole conversation: Zevran: I am hardly the person to lecture on the worthier points of human nature, but surely this is a fine time to display the oft-lauded virtue known as mercy? I deserved to die, and you spared me. Why are you so quick to condemn these mages? Warden: You’re a lot better-looking than most of the mages. Zevran: Why, thank you. Flattery would normally distract me, but not today. Inconvenient, no? Warden: You’re saying I made a mistake sparing you? Zevran: (Nervous laughter) Perhaps. But you did it nevertheless, no? Warden: Magic and knives are different. Zevran: Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speed could kill. Why single out the wielders of one and not the others? Warden: Mages can do more damage with one spell than you ever could. Zevran: Mm. Touché. I’ve taken the lives of many throughout my career, but this is no measured act. There is no chase, no hunt, no dignity in this… there is only slaughter. Warden: What about the people they might slaughter? Zevran: Might, not will. Committing genocide just because something might happen is more than the mark of a weak mind. It is insanity. Zevran's great.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 21, 2018 21:29:21 GMT
hoh, I've never had Zevran in my party during the Circle (mostly 'cause I tend to do that quest first and get him afterwards) that's a great line from him and seeing as insanity is the opposite of being wise... so yay for saving the Circle...again The whole conversation: Zevran: I am hardly the person to lecture on the worthier points of human nature, but surely this is a fine time to display the oft-lauded virtue known as mercy? I deserved to die, and you spared me. Why are you so quick to condemn these mages? Warden: You’re a lot better-looking than most of the mages. Zevran: Why, thank you. Flattery would normally distract me, but not today. Inconvenient, no? Warden: You’re saying I made a mistake sparing you? Zevran: (Nervous laughter) Perhaps. But you did it nevertheless, no? Warden: Magic and knives are different. Zevran: Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speed could kill. Why single out the wielders of one and not the others? Warden: Mages can do more damage with one spell than you ever could. Zevran: Mm. Touché. I’ve taken the lives of many throughout my career, but this is no measured act. There is no chase, no hunt, no dignity in this… there is only slaughter. Warden: What about the people they might slaughter? Zevran: Might, not will. Committing genocide just because something might happen is more than the mark of a weak mind. It is insanity. Zevran's great. he sure is, both as a love interest and as just a friend...Zev is one of my favorite characters in Origins which is why he's always spared Zevran: it's the accent isn't it? me: yep...I'm a sucker for accents
I'm currently at the part where you help Jowan with his little 'identity crisis'
Jowan: very funny Minerva: (I didn't rat him out to Irving, I mean without meta gaming you can't know if Jowan is telling the truth or not,
though there are a few minor indications where he does seem rather nervous when you bring it up Minerva teases him a little, like siblings do (she's a bit older then him) but she'd never betray his trust to bad he doesn't do the same for her )
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2018 21:45:01 GMT
The whole conversation: Zevran: I am hardly the person to lecture on the worthier points of human nature, but surely this is a fine time to display the oft-lauded virtue known as mercy? I deserved to die, and you spared me. Why are you so quick to condemn these mages? Warden: You’re a lot better-looking than most of the mages. Zevran: Why, thank you. Flattery would normally distract me, but not today. Inconvenient, no? Warden: You’re saying I made a mistake sparing you? Zevran: (Nervous laughter) Perhaps. But you did it nevertheless, no? Warden: Magic and knives are different. Zevran: Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speed could kill. Why single out the wielders of one and not the others? Warden: Mages can do more damage with one spell than you ever could. Zevran: Mm. Touché. I’ve taken the lives of many throughout my career, but this is no measured act. There is no chase, no hunt, no dignity in this… there is only slaughter. Warden: What about the people they might slaughter? Zevran: Might, not will. Committing genocide just because something might happen is more than the mark of a weak mind. It is insanity. Zevran's great. he sure is, both as a love interest and as just a friend...Zev is one of my favorite characters in Origins which is why he's always spared Zevran: it's the accent isn't it? me: yep...I'm a sucker for accents
I'm currently at the part where you help Jowan with his little 'identity crisis'
Jowan: very funny Minerva: (I didn't rat him out to Irving, I mean without meta gaming you can't know if Jowan is telling the truth or not,
though there are a few minor indications where he does seem rather nervous when you bring it up Minerva teases him a little, like siblings do (she's a bit older then him) but she'd never betray his trust to bad he doesn't do the same for her ) I know, that many people love Irving but if Amell/Surana doesn't want to help Jowan, Irving asks for it. He jeopardizes his apprentice and then doesn't able to protect him/her – so sacrifices his apprentice. He's just an old opportunist, a mediocre mage, who was able to get the First Enchanter status because he was such a snake... So I strongly prefer Jowan over him... Yes, Zevran is one of the best LIs and friends, if the Warden earns his trust. His romance and friendship arc is the best (okay, shared with Morrigan's)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 21, 2018 21:57:35 GMT
he sure is, both as a love interest and as just a friend...Zev is one of my favorite characters in Origins which is why he's always spared Zevran: it's the accent isn't it? me: yep...I'm a sucker for accents
I'm currently at the part where you help Jowan with his little 'identity crisis'
Jowan: very funny Minerva: (I didn't rat him out to Irving, I mean without meta gaming you can't know if Jowan is telling the truth or not,
though there are a few minor indications where he does seem rather nervous when you bring it up Minerva teases him a little, like siblings do (she's a bit older then him) but she'd never betray his trust to bad he doesn't do the same for her ) I know, that many people love Irving but if Amell/Surana doesn't want to help Jowan, Irving asks for it. He jeopardizes his apprentice and then doesn't able to protect him/her – so sacrifices his apprentice. He's just an old opportunist, a mediocre mage, who was able to get the First Enchanter status because he was such a snake... So I strongly prefer Jowan over him... Yes, Zevran is one of the best LIs and friends, if the Warden earns his trust. His romance and friendship arc is the best (okay, shared with Morrigan's) Plus, Duncan is a lot more sympathetic to you if you didn't rat Jowan out
he's like: oh good, someone who's willing to make sacrifices for those in need (aka. the greater good) if you went along with Irving or if Irving more or less blackmailed you into ratting Jowan out, he's a lot less...enthusiastic in that case he's more: oh yay, another yes man...like I needed more of those Wynne as well, especially if you say you stand by your decision and would do it again if needed (which...you know...during Redcliffe )
Irving makes me think of characters like Dumbledore and Gandalf, only helping out if needed/demanded and otherwise sitting back and letting others do his dirty work he's still a good character, but I find Greagoir more entertaining when you come back to the Circle he's like: oh great...it's you again, why are you back? I don't need more of this...I sprouted another gray hair just by seeing you but I do wonder...what the hell was he thinking with sending Cullen (who suffers from PTSD) to frickin' Kirkwall of all places?! I mean, seriously...
also another thing I wonder about...how'd they find out you snuck into the phylactery chamber? here's a few possibilities I came up with...
1: someone overheard you talking and ratted you out to Irving 2: someone heard the explosion from when you break down that wall 3: some sort of signal is send when the first door (that you can't get past due to the wards) is opened by anyone other then the First Enchanter/Knight Commander
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2018 22:13:52 GMT
I know, that many people love Irving but if Amell/Surana doesn't want to help Jowan, Irving asks for it. He jeopardizes his apprentice and then doesn't able to protect him/her – so sacrifices his apprentice. He's just an old opportunist, a mediocre mage, who was able to get the First Enchanter status because he was such a snake... So I strongly prefer Jowan over him... Yes, Zevran is one of the best LIs and friends, if the Warden earns his trust. His romance and friendship arc is the best (okay, shared with Morrigan's) Plus, Duncan is a lot more sympathetic to you if you didn't rat Jowan out
he's like: oh good, someone who's willing to make sacrifices for those in need (aka. the greater good) if you went along with Irving or if Irving more or less blackmailed you into ratting Jowan out, he's a lot less...enthusiastic in that case he's more: oh yay, another yes man...like I needed more of those Wynne as well, especially if you say you stand by your decision and would do it again if needed (which...you know...during Redcliffe )
Irving makes me think of characters like Dumbledore and Gandalf, only helping out if needed/demanded and otherwise sitting back and letting others do his dirty work he's still a good character, but I find Greagoir more entertaining when you come back to the Circle he's like: oh great...it's you again, why are you back? I don't need more of this...I sprouted another gray hair just by seeing you but I do wonder...what the hell was he thinking with sending Cullen (who suffers from PTSD) to frickin' Kirkwall of all places?! I mean, seriously... also another thing I wonder about...how'd they find out you snuck into the phylactery chamber? here's a few possibilities I came up with... 1: someone overheard you talking and ratted you out to Irving 2: someone heard the explosion from when you break down that wall 3: some sort of signal is send when the first door (that you can't get past due to the wards) is opened by anyone other then the First Enchanter/Knight Commander 1. Meredith needed such a Templar. And this was her reason to promote him. I suppose she saw the young herself in Cullen. Greagoir and Irving are good characters, yes, but I don't like them. (Greagoir wanted to kill Aerland...) But I don't think, the PTSD was a known problem in Thedas. They just saw in Cullen a very devoted Templar... a little bit overeager, but still good. The Chantry and the Order not that picky, just think about Otto Alrik... By the way, Cullen needed Kirkwall – the fact he saw that her madness consumes Meredith, needed to him to be sober. (According the original version – if the Warden doesn't help him to Annull the Circle, Greagoir send him away, and he becomes a mad serial killer, who hunts the mages... Kirkwall isn't that bad way to him...) 2. It's a good question...
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Post by Curious Crow on Nov 21, 2018 22:29:45 GMT
Forgot how goshdarn savage the City Elf is. "Rent yourself out as a table or something" and "Are you ugly and slow?". Also was delighted to learn that the latter gets you a hmph line instead of hunt you down. Funny how an angry betrothed is far less scarier for me. Liked the face I made but doubt I'll play him any more than the other...six? attempts. The ear envy is just too great. Still, I really like this origin.
Then did decide to load up Kerdik and wrap up the Tower of Magi with him. Alas poor Irving didn't make it and it was up to dear old Cullen to vouch for us. So now the Templars will aid us against the darkspawn and I get to skip the infuriating encounter with that old mage and his suicidal apprentices.
For the convo going on, or well how they found out about the Chamber. I always understood it that Irving knew what was going on and was expecting Jowan to flee some time soon. Since he's useless he'd probably enlist his good friend to help him, so Irving probably had one of his ears spying on the Warden mage as well. Then they spot them going into the basement, he puts two and two together and calls Gregoir to wait with him outside the door, prepared to give his best finger waggle. He also asks Duncan to be there, since even if his star pupil didn't have the sense to team with the guy who has ears in every wall, he doesn't want them to die...yet.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 21, 2018 22:32:12 GMT
Plus, Duncan is a lot more sympathetic to you if you didn't rat Jowan out
he's like: oh good, someone who's willing to make sacrifices for those in need (aka. the greater good) if you went along with Irving or if Irving more or less blackmailed you into ratting Jowan out, he's a lot less...enthusiastic in that case he's more: oh yay, another yes man...like I needed more of those Wynne as well, especially if you say you stand by your decision and would do it again if needed (which...you know...during Redcliffe )
Irving makes me think of characters like Dumbledore and Gandalf, only helping out if needed/demanded and otherwise sitting back and letting others do his dirty work he's still a good character, but I find Greagoir more entertaining when you come back to the Circle he's like: oh great...it's you again, why are you back? I don't need more of this...I sprouted another gray hair just by seeing you but I do wonder...what the hell was he thinking with sending Cullen (who suffers from PTSD) to frickin' Kirkwall of all places?! I mean, seriously... also another thing I wonder about...how'd they find out you snuck into the phylactery chamber? here's a few possibilities I came up with... 1: someone overheard you talking and ratted you out to Irving 2: someone heard the explosion from when you break down that wall 3: some sort of signal is send when the first door (that you can't get past due to the wards) is opened by anyone other then the First Enchanter/Knight Commander 1. Meredith needed such a Templar. And this was her reason to promote him. I suppose she saw the young herself in Cullen. Greagoir and Irving are good characters, yes, but I don't like them. (Greagoir wanted to kill Aerland...) But I don't think, the PTSD was a known problem in Thedas. They just saw in Cullen a very devoted Templar... a little bit overeager, but still good. The Chantry and the Order not that picky, just think about Otto Alrik... By the way, Cullen needed Kirkwall – the fact he saw that her madness consumes Meredith, needed to him to be sober. (According the original version – if the Warden doesn't help him to Annull the Circle, Greagoir send him away, and he becomes a mad serial killer, who hunts the mages... Kirkwall isn't that bad way to him...) 2. It's a good question... pssh, Greagoir isn't very fond of Minerva either me thinks Minerva: Greagoir can kiss my shiny...*mouths gets covered* *muffled cursing*
Duncan: let's not, hm? Minerva: pff...fine
most of the Epilogue slides are 'what if' scenarios, and I agree with you that Cullen needed Kirkwall he even says it himself during Inquisition, that he needed to see Kirkwall...he was in a bad shape when he first arrived there, seeing danger everywhere (pretty much like Meredith herself), plus he was afraid, and hoped that by cracking down he could avoid the same thing happening again I actually think that's why I like my world state of just mages the Warden saves his life, granting him another chance the Champion and Inquisitor both help him put his life back into perspective and help him return to the good man he's always been
(during his time in Kirkwall that good man is still there, it just gets overshadowed by paranoia and fear)
so Minerva just arrived back at Ostagar, and this time around she was a bit snarky with Cailan, which is funny Cailan: bla bla bla *some greetings and stuff*, may I know your name? Minerva: I highly doubt it, but anything is possible Cailan: *chuckles* you got yourself a lively one there Duncan, and here I was starting to worry all Wardens were stodgy priests
^he actually responds quite well to some of the snarky lines, guess that just shows how he and Alistair are related
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 21, 2018 22:38:05 GMT
Forgot how goshdarn savage the City Elf is. "Rent yourself out as a table or something" and "Are you ugly and slow?". Also was delighted to learn that the latter gets you a hmph line instead of hunt you down. Funny how an angry betrothed is far less scarier for me. Liked the face I made but doubt I'll play him any more than the other...six? attempts. The ear envy is just too great. Still, I really like this origin. Then did decide to load up Kerdik and wrap up the Tower of Magi with him. Alas poor Irving didn't make it and it was up to dear old Cullen to vouch for us. So now the Templars will aid us against the darkspawn and I get to skip the infuriating encounter with that old mage and his suicidal apprentices. For the convo going on, or well how they found out about the Chamber. I always understood it that Irving knew what was going on and was expecting Jowan to flee some time soon. Since he's useless he'd probably enlist his good friend to help him, so Irving probably had one of his ears spying on the Warden mage as well. Then they spot them going into the basement, he puts two and two together and calls Gregoir to wait with him outside the door, prepared to give his best finger waggle. He also asks Duncan to be there, since even if his star pupil didn't have the sense to team with the guy who has ears in every wall, he doesn't want them to die...yet. yeah, the City Elf lines when meeting Cailan are pretty savage as well Warden: I killed an arl's son for raping my cousin Cailan: wait...what?!
and that does make sense, about the chamber I knew Irving made me think of Dumbledore/Gandalf...now it all makes sense letting the young take care of his business and sitting back himself hoping it'll blow over
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2018 22:38:51 GMT
Forgot how goshdarn savage the City Elf is. "Rent yourself out as a table or something" and "Are you ugly and slow?". Also was delighted to learn that the latter gets you a hmph line instead of hunt you down. Funny how an angry betrothed is far less scarier for me. Liked the face I made but doubt I'll play him any more than the other...six? attempts. The ear envy is just too great. Still, I really like this origin.
Then did decide to load up Kerdik and wrap up the Tower of Magi with him. Alas poor Irving didn't make it and it was up to dear old Cullen to vouch for us. So now the Templars will aid us against the darkspawn and I get to skip the infuriating encounter with that old mage and his suicidal apprentices.
For the convo going on, or well how they found out about the Chamber. I always understood it that Irving knew what was going on and was expecting Jowan to flee some time soon. Since he's useless he'd probably enlist his good friend to help him, so Irving probably had one of his ears spying on the Warden mage as well. Then they spot them going into the basement, he puts two and two together and calls Gregoir to wait with him outside the door, prepared to give his best finger waggle. He also asks Duncan to be there, since even if his star pupil didn't have the sense to team with the guy who has ears in every wall, he doesn't want them to die...yet. This makes sense. But still sacrificed his apprentice.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Nov 21, 2018 22:42:27 GMT
Forgot how goshdarn savage the City Elf is. "Rent yourself out as a table or something" and "Are you ugly and slow?". Also was delighted to learn that the latter gets you a hmph line instead of hunt you down. Funny how an angry betrothed is far less scarier for me. Liked the face I made but doubt I'll play him any more than the other...six? attempts. The ear envy is just too great. Still, I really like this origin.
Then did decide to load up Kerdik and wrap up the Tower of Magi with him. Alas poor Irving didn't make it and it was up to dear old Cullen to vouch for us. So now the Templars will aid us against the darkspawn and I get to skip the infuriating encounter with that old mage and his suicidal apprentices.
For the convo going on, or well how they found out about the Chamber. I always understood it that Irving knew what was going on and was expecting Jowan to flee some time soon. Since he's useless he'd probably enlist his good friend to help him, so Irving probably had one of his ears spying on the Warden mage as well. Then they spot them going into the basement, he puts two and two together and calls Gregoir to wait with him outside the door, prepared to give his best finger waggle. He also asks Duncan to be there, since even if his star pupil didn't have the sense to team with the guy who has ears in every wall, he doesn't want them to die...yet. This makes sense. But still sacrificed his apprentice. that's cause he's like Dumbledore/Gandalf, they do the same thing Gandalf: oh look at the time, I need to ah...go to Gondor to read some stuff...I'll be back later *arrives back at just the right moment* Dumbledore: so, I need a good spy *looks at Snape* and a sacrificial lamb *looks at Harry* to fix a mistake I made when taking in a murderous psychopath child(aka. Voldemort) to my school (plus he's doing the same thing with Newt Scamander and that whole Grindewald thing...I mean, heesh...can't he fix his own things? at least Gandalf kicks some ass every now and then)
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Post by Curious Crow on Nov 21, 2018 22:56:48 GMT
This makes sense. But still sacrificed his apprentice. As in Jowan or the Warden? Well he kinda did both. But one is a mage which has been witnessed preforming blood magic, the biggest nono in the Circle after putting cod in Gregoir's shoes. And the witness has talked to Irving and if Gregoir finds out he withheld that information, he's going to end up cracking down on the other mages. So one mage, vs, the whole tower. And the other has just wrapped up their Harrowing and has gone straight to breaking the rules. Helping another mage escape, especially a blood mage, is going to leave the rest of them in a pretty big mess. So better let them take the fall instead of getting the whole tower punished. Getting the chantry priest sacrificed as well will at least give him ammunition to push back against the crack down, so if the mages get punished, everyone will or something. But then again, I always saw the Tower as the Orlesian court but with less masks, same number of skirts and a lot more magic. So that there would be a lot of backstabbing and manipulating going on. Just a wonder there weren't any Halla statues around. EDIT: Was moving between saves and was amused at Irving's first codex entry: "If you want to survive, you must learn the rules and realize that sometimes, sacrifices are necessary".
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2018 23:08:31 GMT
This makes sense. But still sacrificed his apprentice. As in Jowan or the Warden? Well he kinda did both. But one is a mage which has been witnessed preforming blood magic, the biggest nono in the Circle after putting cod in Gregoir's shoes. And the witness has talked to Irving and if Gregoir finds out he withheld that information, he's going to end up cracking down on the other mages. So one mage, vs, the whole tower. And the other has just wrapped up their Harrowing and has gone straight to breaking the rules. Helping another mage escape, especially a blood mage, is going to leave the rest of them in a pretty big mess. So better let them take the fall instead of getting the whole tower punished. Getting the chantry priest sacrificed as well will at least give him ammunition to push back against the crack down, so if the mages get punished, everyone will or something. But then again, I always saw the Tower as the Orlesian court but with less masks, same number of skirts and a lot more magic. So that there would be a lot of backstabbing and manipulating going on. Just a wonder there weren't any Halla statues around. Yes, I know, why he did it – but this is dirty, whatever is his reason. Irving just an old opportunist snake. This game is not even grand, just petty. But of course, I'm sure, he thought, he saved lives. I rather think: not. His action was wasted. He not even uncovered Uldred... or he knew about Uldred, but he was useful too. Don't mention the halla statuettes to me! Just not! How I hate these!
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Post by Catilina on Nov 22, 2018 3:27:27 GMT
I tried to continue my red!Hawke's background story. Part 1 herePart 2:Ralph stopped, suddenly something bad feeling flooded him. His stomach clenched."Yes?"
The man put a purse into his hand. "Take this. For your father's work... and for your loss...", said, turned back and left.
Ralph just stood and looked on the purse in his hand. "Why..." Then he looked up slowly and yelled. "Hey, hey! When will he be back? Did he say something? A short message? What... what happened?" whispered. "Fuck yourself!" Shouted and slammed his fist into the wall.
An older mercenary approached him. He put his hands on Ralph's shoulders. "This is yours, young man."
Ralph shivered, Malcolm calls him 'young man'. He turned and looked at the warrior. Selif. He had known his father for a long time. If he could name someone as his father's friend, he was this one. He also fought on his side.
Selif handed a stained letter to him. "He didn't want you to come with us."
"Yes. He wrote it's a boring job... or... he lied...! Where is my father?" Ralph grabbed him. "Where is he, Selif?"
"We... I left the body...", Selif whispered and looked down.
Ralph stared at him, and shook him. "Body?" Hissed. "What happened, spit out!"
"Listen to me, young man!" The mercenary lifted his head and freed himself from the grip. His eyes flashed. "Your father will not come back", shouted, then continued a little bit calmer. "Someone betrayed us and we got an ambush. Malcolm said, he will cover us with magic, it worked not once already you know, but not now. After a few steps I turned and saw, there are a few Templars. One of them blocked his magic, and the other shot him in the back. I killed the archer and distracted his companions, while Malcolm tried to heal himself. One of them noticed it and blocked again. I could not prevent it. But your father seems invigorated, and frozen them. It was a quick battle, most of them died, the others ran away. Malcolm, however, seemed completely exhausted... He died in my hand."
Ralph looked at him with rage in his eyes "You... you was not able to save him... but..."
"You blame me..., don't worry, lad, I understand"
"No, you don't. Why he did it? Why alone? Just for that fucking job? It's worth to die for it?"
"Not for that fucking job, but for his, and our family. For your mother, your sister and brother. And for you."
"We didn't ask for it... Eh, forget it! I know. I just... he didn't trust me enough to tell me. He lied to me... to protect me? But I could have defended him. I could have stopped the Templars. But I was not there. He did not let me be there!" Ralph turned his head aside and slammed his fist into the wall. His eyes blurred.
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Post by Sokemis on Nov 22, 2018 4:23:48 GMT
Apparently Hawke has taken time off from adventuring and bandit killing during her mourning period, but she's back out and about now. Maybe not just like normal, but getting better. (Translation: Sokemis has been working overtime every day for the last two months and hasn't had much time to play. But with an unexpected snow day Friday, got to play some... Also, have too many pages on this thread to try and get caught up, so everyone feel free to give yourselves a thumbs up from me ) Tried to do an "As Heard In" for the Gallows, but it was just too depressing. Managed to get one okay quote, then it was ruined by a Tranquil. Took on the mage bounty hunter job off the chantry board, something she wouldn't have done before. (The completionist wanted to clean up the quest, but I couldn't see Meredith hating, mage supporting Hawke actually doing so. Figured the week rights after her mother was killed would be the only time she would.) Now that the rest of the hair burned off by the dragon was growing back in, she cut her hair to a more uniform length. Mother never cared for that shaved sides hairstyle. Aenorea also put away her admiral's coat and jeweled skull swords for now - Mother never thought either was proper for a lady of her standing. Ran into Hubert, turns out there's trouble in relation to the mine again... when isn't there? This time it was some sort of raids on our caravans leaving the mine. Ended up letting the miner that Hubert suspected go, then tracked down and killed the one behind it all. He did ask for it though... After that, I figured I'd better go to the mines myself and see how things are going. Killed more spiders. Got insulted by the person I helped. You know, the usual. Tracked down the last bounty to the coast. Decided to spend the night in the nearby cave - seriously, why do we seem to think camping in the caves would be any safer than camping in the open??? Fought another dragon. Seriously though Hawke, starting to get a little worried about your coping mechanisms here: Lover leaves in the middle of the night? Fight a dragon. Mother killed? Fight a dragon. Well, at least you didn't burn half your hair off this time... Heard reports of some Tal-Vashoth on the coast. Went to go check it out and ended up rescuing some of Aveline's guards from and ambush instead. Aveline's lieutenant obviously hasn't been listening to Varric's stories if he's surprised over my nonchalance about the whole thing. More time has passed and Hawke is healing - still wearing mourning clothes around town, but now back to carrying her favorite daggers. And as we near the end of the year, got summoned by the Viscount. Turns out his son has joined the Qunari. Went to speak to Saemus, only to find out someone in the Chantry tricked the boy to going there that night. Give you one guess to who it was... getting real tired of her shit. Couldn't have happened to a nicer lady. Really. {As the act nears its end, hair has grown back out a little (had to get the "iconic" hair in there at some point, when better than for the iconic duel?), skull daggers are back, admiral coat around town again} And random shot - I'm sorry, but there's just something about this little glitch that never gets old for me. Usually doesn't fail to make me giggle when it randomly pops up Also, after getting some help, been playing around with a couple Bethany armor mods, getting them to work post-Act 1 in anticipation for doing MOTA between Acts 2 & 3... so here's a sneak peek for when I do MOTA:
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 22, 2018 9:26:59 GMT
Today: a new character! A new adventure! Ignoring all the stuff that doesn't match my existing world state! Meet Rheve Andras: As you can see, he's Dalish by birth. He left his clan because they had some stupid opinions about blood magic (he'd get on with Merrill like a house on fire) and eventually got into trouble with some human Templars for being an apostate. Luckily there was a Grey Warden recruiter around to conscript him, and he's been with them ever since. They have far more sensible opinions about blood magic! It's nice playing an older character for a change character - Rheve is in his fifties and has been in the Wardens about fifteen years at this point. He's very happy with them, although not quite as thrilled to be sent over the Frostbacks to mop up after someone else. He was even less pleased to show up and find that all of his Wardens had been killed or dragged off by darkspawn and that the darkspawn were TALKING WTF. There's not even a Blight on! On the bright side, he'd been secretly disappointed that he'd missed out on fighting the Blight - you spend fifteen years in the Wardens with no expectation that there's going to be one in your lifetime, and then there actually is a Blight but you're stuck on the other side of the mountains because some stupid dog lord doesn't like Orlesians. Who wouldn't be a little sad that they'd wasted their time fighting ordinary darkspawn all this time?
He managed to clear the Keep with help from a promising new recruit, some drunken dwarf and a mage he was happy to rescue from the Templars. Unfortunately the young lady didn't survive her Joining, but those are the breaks. Luckily, some guy showed up and tried to burgle him, giving him an excellent excuse to invoke the Rite of Conscription again.
With enough martial support to survive a battle or two, he first set off to Amaranthine to get a look at the city and a feel for the place he was going to be in charge of. He was surprised that people seemed to care more that he was from Orlais than that he was a Dalish elf mage. (Rheve doesn't really consider himself Orlesian, even though that's where his clan spent most of their time and where he settled when he struck out on his own. He just doesn't like stinky cheese that much, I guess.)
While he was there, he ended up taking care of some smugglers - not because he has any great respect for the law, but because nobody was going to dodge their taxes while he was in charge of the place. Troops cost money and fighting darkspawn needs troops. While there he talked to the merchant whose caravans were being attacked, and got some leads on Kal-Hirol and Kristoff's whereabouts as well.
Next time: since troops and Keep upgrades do not pay for themselves, Rheve heads for the Wending Wood to see what's up.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 24, 2018 23:03:02 GMT
If it wasn't for the Blight, I would kill all the werewolves and leave the others to suffer. I don't blame Zathrian at all for putting a curse on them, because I would've done the same thing. Oh, yes, smart guy. The best part of the curse, when his people suffered already, isn't? To kill the werewolves doesn't stop the curse, it will spread – and because of the Werewolves live in the forest, the elves will be the victim of the curse... But the blind vengeance worth every elven life, isn't? If they left them alone they would never been cursed in the first place.
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