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Post by Iddy on Apr 8, 2019 3:10:22 GMT
I was updating my Keep's choices, when I found out that doing Vivienne's personal quest and NOT being her friend are mutually exclusive. In other words, if you do her quest, you're forced to be her friend in the DA Keep.
Maker's balls...
Look, I only did Vivienne's quest because I thought my Inquisitor is supposed to act like a professional and be good to the people she works with.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Apr 8, 2019 8:43:22 GMT
I was updating my Keep's choices, when I found out that doing Vivienne's personal quest and NOT being her friend are mutually exclusive. In other words, if you do her quest, you're forced to be her friend in the DA Keep. Maker's balls... Look, I only did Vivienne's quest because I thought my Inquisitor is supposed to act like a professional and be good to the people she works with. yeah, some of those choices make no sense
example being Sera, you can complete her personal quest (Verchiel March) in the Keep however you want, and if you pick that option first it doesn't even register her as having been recruited which makes no sense since you need to recruit her in order to have that quest
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Post by Catilina on Apr 8, 2019 9:17:27 GMT
I was updating my Keep's choices, when I found out that doing Vivienne's personal quest and NOT being her friend are mutually exclusive. In other words, if you do her quest, you're forced to be her friend in the DA Keep. Maker's balls... Look, I only did Vivienne's quest because I thought my Inquisitor is supposed to act like a professional and be good to the people she works with.It's doubtable. The Inquisitor's life (okay, perhaps just his/her blessed hand) is important. Why would risk his/her important hand and time for a task, s/he doesn't know, what is this exactly? Vivienne doesn't want to tell the Inquisitor her intention with the heart. She's an alchemist, and a politician. She's even an Orlesian. The Inquisitor easily can think, that her intention is shady. So no: if the Inquisitor is professional, s/he have to insist on the explanation. This is an emotional/trust quest – depends on, what the Inquisitor thinks about Vivienne: she's trustworthy or not. Most of my Inquisitors didn't find her trustworthy, nor friendly enough for such a favour. But of course, there are Inquisitors, who can think, worth to risk, for Vivienne's friendship/benevolence. But I suppose, this isn't really professional.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 8, 2019 22:52:58 GMT
I just learned that when Cullen asks what you want to do with Blackwall, "I'll need to think about it" = Release him.
I've decided I want to leave him in jail, but I had already overwritten the save file and I can't go back. Now I have this lingering Revelations quest where the only thing I'm allowed to do is release him.
God, it's amazing how much I've been fucking up this playthrough.
Why do I want to abandon Blackwall? Simple. He is Orlais' prisoner and the Inquisition should respect the sovereignity of other nations. Hell, he calls the Inquisitor corrupt for using his/her influence like this. And he is right.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 8, 2019 23:23:10 GMT
I just learned that when Cullen asks what you want to do with Blackwall, "I'll need to think about it" = Release him. I've decided I want to leave him in jail, but I had already overwritten the save file and I can't go back. Now I have this lingering Revelations quest where the only thing I'm allowed to do is release him. God, it's amazing how much I've been fucking up this playthrough. Why do I want to abandon Blackwall? Simple. He is Orlais' prisoner and the Inquisition should respect the sovereignity of other nations. Hell, he calls the Inquisitor corrupt for using his/her influence like this. And he is right. Yes. Blackwall's right... But: the Inquisition solved their civil war, and they wanted the Inquisition to intervene in their internal affairs! They should be grateful. A lot. And: Orlais not a nation, Orlais an empire. Orlais no matter. Not mentioned: when Orlais care about others' sovereignty?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 9, 2019 2:10:28 GMT
I believe I have mentioned a time or two how much I love 'Champions of the Just'...well I love Champions of the Just. It has one of my favorite dialogue bits between Sera and Cassanda "What are these things?" "Templars" "That's Shite!" "I know!" Also a real moment of unintentional hillarity. While I was going up the stairs Envy was all like 'let me know what kind of woman you are!' and then I, IRL because the Radar pinged went 'ooh loot!' then I took off down the stairs and looted stuff, so that's what kind of woman Kara Trevelyan is...very ADD . I also solved my issue on whether or not to craft a better bow. Instead I crafted a tier 3 grip from the base Dragon bow. Also crafted Cassandra a new sword which is a level 19 Sulevin blade and then after the quest I replaced those gaudy shoulder meta things with the much more aethetically pleasing chainmail and I crafted Kara a new set of boots. Anyways because of all this and probably not having some of the trials on might be helping with this but this run through CotJ was fairly 'easy'. The Red Templars guarding the barrier still put up a heck of a fight but it wasn't quite the last minute dive it has been in the past but just 'a struggle.' Envy himself fell with virtually no problem. It does always amuse me sometimes how some of the group fights are a lot harder then the actual boss fights themselves. Also this is the first time I really read through any of the 'Envy Dogma' stuff (I don't read a lot or listen to a lot of the codex entries) and man that was creepy. Which inspired me to look at the Envy codex entry, which is also creepy. As an aside I do wonder if anyone has written any fanfiction or thought about the possibilities and how it would work if Cole wasn't there and the Inquisitor actually was swapped with Envy. I mean I take it as Envy assuming their form, after all Lord Seeker Lucius was also still around while Envy was impersonating him so Envy clear is not 'possessing' anything. Also Envy mentioned that it'd take the Inquisitor off to Cory to kill her. So again...no possession. But again how would this work: Would the Inquisitor would be instantly transported somewhere so Envy could impersonate her instantly? Or would their be two of Kara standing there and then the companions would have to determine which one was the 'right' one? Could Envy duplicate the anchor? Or if not could they mimic the effect? How would Envy get the original off to Corypheus to kill? the mind races.
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Post by shaqfu on Apr 9, 2019 11:17:08 GMT
Just started another run of Origins. Aiming to do a trilogy run once again! Here is my Warden, a city elf by the name of Sparrow who is a dual wielding warrior. And a few pics of Morrigan after struggling for a bit to get a few mods to work together, with a couple tweaks.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 9, 2019 12:06:13 GMT
Just started another run of Origins. Aiming to do a trilogy run once again! Here is my Warden, a city elf by the name of Sparrow who is a dual wielding warrior. And a few pics of Morrigan after struggling for a bit to get a few mods to work together, with a couple tweaks. Then I envy your amount of free time. It should take... what, 300+ hours?
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Post by Iddy on Apr 9, 2019 12:12:48 GMT
I just learned that when Cullen asks what you want to do with Blackwall, "I'll need to think about it" = Release him. I've decided I want to leave him in jail, but I had already overwritten the save file and I can't go back. Now I have this lingering Revelations quest where the only thing I'm allowed to do is release him. God, it's amazing how much I've been fucking up this playthrough. Why do I want to abandon Blackwall? Simple. He is Orlais' prisoner and the Inquisition should respect the sovereignity of other nations. Hell, he calls the Inquisitor corrupt for using his/her influence like this. And he is right. Yes. Blackwall's right... But: the Inquisition solved their civil war, and they wanted the Inquisition to intervene in their internal affairs! They should be grateful. A lot. And: Orlais not a nation, Orlais an empire. Orlais no matter. Not mentioned: when Orlais care about others' sovereignty? Did they, though? As far as I remember, the Inquisition was invited to the Winter Palace to enjoy the festivities. Nobody literally asked them to interfere in the civil war. But... maybe worrying about the Inquisitor's corruption is a moot point, because the only way to save Josephine from the House of Repose is to bribe several nobles or steal a contract. Neither are strictly legal.
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Post by Rascoth on Apr 9, 2019 18:21:46 GMT
Yes. Blackwall's right... But: the Inquisition solved their civil war, and they wanted the Inquisition to intervene in their internal affairs! They should be grateful. A lot. And: Orlais not a nation, Orlais an empire. Orlais no matter. Not mentioned: when Orlais care about others' sovereignty? Did they, though? As far as I remember, the Inquisition was invited to the Winter Palace to enjoy the festivities. Nobody literally asked them to interfere in the civil war. But... maybe worrying about the Inquisitor's corruption is a moot point, because the only way to save Josephine from the House of Repose is to bribe several nobles or steal a contract. Neither are strictly legal. Considering that every player in Orlais civil war approaches Inquisitor one way or another to tell them how they are better, I believe they wanted Inquisition to interfere, to break current impasse. You know, asking directly would be so not Orlesian! (That's why I like truce so much. It feels like Inquisitor's just showing them all middle finger.)
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Post by Catilina on Apr 9, 2019 21:16:22 GMT
Did they, though? As far as I remember, the Inquisition was invited to the Winter Palace to enjoy the festivities. Nobody literally asked them to interfere in the civil war. But... maybe worrying about the Inquisitor's corruption is a moot point, because the only way to save Josephine from the House of Repose is to bribe several nobles or steal a contract. Neither are strictly legal. Considering that every player in Orlais civil war approaches Inquisitor one way or another to tell them how they are better, I believe they wanted Inquisition to interfere, to break current impasse. You know, asking directly would be so not Orlesian! (That's why I like truce so much. It feels like Inquisitor's just showing them all middle finger.) Absolutely!
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2019 0:23:19 GMT
So time to play my favorite Dragon Age quest and quite probably my favorite quest/ mission of any game...ever. In Your Heart SHall Burn. God how I LOVE this quest and last night was just a pure pleasure to play through.
And it got even better because I think I may have had Kara's version of the character moment that Hawk had in DA 2 ( I think you should know the one I'm talking about I've mentioned it a couple of times.) It is amazing to me that even after five playthroughs I am still refining and working on Kara's character and just making her better each time. And sure, last playthrough I actually regressed and made a few dialogue mistakes between the quests and stuff which is one of the reasons I am replaying her from the beginning to 'fix' those issues, but this new dialogue combined with my continuing efforts to fix things might mean she might be at her most canon. Now I still might play her again in the future, likely in the lead up to DA 4, but I think I may finally got her perfect. But the choice itself. It waswhen Corypheus was doing his pontificating about the Anchor andI usually have Kara chose the 'I yield' option. But this time I had her basically say 'take it'. And this was so much better because she is like "I didn't want the thing, have it" (I'll share the video of it after I get it up on youtube or something), and I just loved that Corypheus actually looked surprised there...but of course he still attacks her and tries to kill her and THAT is the change, or at least the beginning of it. Because despite her best efforts to actually shirk of responsibility Corypheus makes clear that he will still kill her anyways. So she was a selfish coward who didn't want to be a leader and just wanted to go off and do her things but yet out of self preservation she is forced to become one. Solas mentions that Corypheus attacking Haven changed her, and now that is the truth. She has gone from being selfish before and well still a little selfish after to having to accept her role. That and coupled with the faith people keep on showing in her abilities for saving them crystalizes her change in becoming a leader. Its still only really as a means of self preservation, she has to become Inquisitor to stop Corypheus, but its the beginning of her actually finding out that she is a good leader. Not a great one, she still gets people killed....but this is definitley the pivot point in which her character begins to grow that I have been looking for all this time.
Now i also did fix my third RP error from last playthrough. I accidentally had her ape her brother with the "is hope enough?" Dialogue when she should've said that "fanatical belief is to blame". Which might i say i do love Giselles response there.
Which brings me to the armor. I was quite pleased that i think i found lower tier mats that give me the colors i want which i usually get later game, so i need to remember what they are (or write them down) for potential later playthroughs with her. It was funny to note i almost went with the skin that stalks but still went with the classic since it has the stats i want. Also with the upgrades i made to the pre inquisitor armor earlier it now flows a lot better, it looked like an early version of the inq armor and now it serves the same purpose. Continuity ftw.
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Post by melbella on Apr 10, 2019 0:50:59 GMT
But... maybe worrying about the Inquisitor's corruption is a moot point, because the only way to save Josephine from the House of Repose is to bribe several nobles or steal a contract. Neither are strictly legal. Last I checked, murder for hire isn't exactly legal either. It's done, and accepted as part of The Game, but if you get caught no one will lift a finger to save you.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2019 23:03:10 GMT
Have relatively little to talk about. Still it is now interesting doing some of the side quests later in the game now as opposed to earlier given that the cult in the Hinterlands is talking about me bringing peace to the Templars and Elandra, I could tell her as a reason for joining the Inquisition that I have bought peace and prosperity to Southern Thedas...at least as far as the mages are concerned. Don't think I've ever gotten that option.
Other than that met Hawke and I accidentally hit X instead of square so she is now pretty much the default...which is a new oops I've made in this PT, but a realtively minor one. Who knows maybe Varric just talked up her uglyness to give her a flaw in his Tale of the Champion lol.
Also did all the prep work for Skyhold and the Inquisition, decorating everything, judged my two prisoners, and also sent for the specialization trainers. With all this done its off to Crestwood to do the Crestwood things and hopefully collect the tokens I need for the murder knife. Forgot to get Dagna though so that is a priority next time I'm back at the war table.
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Post by House Targaryen on Apr 11, 2019 5:32:11 GMT
Finished up the Fade quest. Hawke stayed behind and sacrificed herself for the greater good. That made Varric sad. When we got back to Skyhold, judged the magister and sentence him to death by beheading which Mel carried out herself. Varric's female friend showed up shortly and wanted our help to take out some red lyrium smugglers. At the end we discovered she wasn't being straight with us. Mel was tempted to pluck out her eyeballs and feed them to her. The Lord of Light, if there was a time I needed your help, its now. The Fear demon fears fire. Good, good, bathe into the flames beast! Bring that magister in here! This trial will be quick. Guilty and off comes his head! Varric chewing out Bianca. Mel giving him the looks that kill. Sh!t, she's still giving me the death stare.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 11, 2019 23:24:03 GMT
So last night I basically just did 'Still Waters' and the one with the spirit of command. It was...quite fun actually. I now have pretty much maxed out my archery tree and all the basic components so I am in a good place to start working on the Assassin tree if I can get to it soon. Which I can now since its daylight in Crestwood. lol. I was actually surprised by how much Stormheart I found under there and I am doing a fair bit of damage now with my tier 2 bow.
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Post by melbella on Apr 12, 2019 1:36:04 GMT
Mel was tempted to pluck out her eyeballs and feed them to her. If only we could.....
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Post by Iddy on Apr 12, 2019 3:49:31 GMT
Today was character development day!
After having certain key conversations and learning about the Seekers' corruption, my Inquisitor went from being an idealist with simple world views to one with with realistic expectations. The contrast between telling Solas "To make the world a better place" when he asks "I wonder what kind of hero you'll be" and later telling Cassandra that being too idealistic isn't good.
I also started The Descent, which was pretty nostalgic to me. They brought back the ogre's grab attack, which reminded me of Origins.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 12, 2019 23:05:34 GMT
So Kara is back to being an Assassin...again. And it led to my first little RP error of this playthrough. Pretty minor but after getting back from Crestwood I went to go craft the 'murder knife'...forgot the book...found the book and then I went to talk to Heir before crafting it *facepalm* she was like 'its not good that you need repeat instruction' *double facepalm* so I had to waste my time and slink back to Ser Morris. It did occur to me that if DA 4 does have specializations it might be a curious idea to have the quest fleshed out enough where you have a choice at the end... like all good side and main quests...and the choices you make influence an attribute bonus you get. Like for Assassin it could be Dex/ Cunning.
Anyways one interesting difference that is developing in this PT is Kara is being a lot more 'visible' with the Inquisition this time. She has tended to prefer keeping things nice and below board with Leiliana but there is some benefit in having people *seeing* the Inquisition saving them, from the cold calculus of political machnications sort of way. Either one kind of fits her character.
With all that out of the way I was off to the Forbidden Oasis tracking down the shards. I like closing all the rifts each PT, and at least wanna open the temple, but it is one of my least favorite maps.
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Post by bolt on Apr 13, 2019 0:34:32 GMT
I got a line from Varric I don't recall ever getting before.
Varric (muttering to himself): "Chapter to last: 'Pissing off Everyone'."
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Post by melbella on Apr 13, 2019 1:16:07 GMT
I got a line from Varric I don't recall ever getting before. Varric (muttering to himself): "Chapter to last: 'Pissing off Everyone'." I wonder if it's approval related? Maybe he says it if he doesn't like the Inquisitor very much?
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Post by bolt on Apr 13, 2019 12:20:55 GMT
I got a line from Varric I don't recall ever getting before. Varric (muttering to himself): "Chapter to last: 'Pissing off Everyone'." I wonder if it's approval related? Maybe he says it if he doesn't like the Inquisitor very much? I was actually playing DA2. I took him along to the chantry in "Offered and Lost" when you run into Peatrice again. I usually have Anders or Aveline in the party, so I get their lines instead. Apparently, Varric didn't think asking the Grand Cleric if she had a hand in kidnapping would go over very well.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 13, 2019 17:11:44 GMT
I'm at the part of the Descent DLC where you fight several waves of darkspawn to reclaim a thaig.
Tell me... when you get to the part where you have to fight two ogres, is there any point to killing the genlocks and emissaries that show up?
Or are they going to respawn infinitely, meaning that I should ignore them and focus on the two ogres?
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Post by melbella on Apr 13, 2019 18:11:20 GMT
Tell me... when you get to the part where you have to fight two ogres, is there any point to killing the genlocks and emissaries that show up? Or are they going to respawn infinitely, meaning that I should ignore them and focus on the two ogres? Focus on the ogres since once you kill them the chief emissary will spawn. Then focus on it...once the big boss is defeated, the rest will scatter.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 13, 2019 23:24:05 GMT
So last night was a hella fun time in the Forbidden Oasis, clearing it out...and I do mean I did clear out the entire map of anything that I thought worth doing...so I actually will not be returning. Anyways multiple times a bunch of shades or demons got all clustered around a single area where I would go launch an explosive shot amongst them which would do heavy damage and then pick them off with only one or two regular shots. That is the kind of thing that is quite epic. Also picking off a group of wraiths on the opposite ridge with a fade rift.
Upon returning home and I got a few FTM I crafted a new weapon for Bull..since I acidentally gave him a one handed weapon and sold all the two handers. This time I gave him a maul instead of the normal Great Axe I usually give to him.
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