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Post by SofNascimento on Jan 2, 2017 15:16:37 GMT
Get prepared to play the god damned underdog. Let's see, you have 4 arks that have 20K people on them, and the Nexus which let's say contains 250K people. So, that's 330K people. Against billions. So, yah. 20k people with the technological upper hand are not the underdog...if the enemy has no way of defending themselves from orbital mass effect cannon bombardment their whole billions-strong civilization is gone in minutes....literally That's why I said Bioware will make them equivalent in terms of technology. Having them more sophisticated or the other way around doesn't make for a good statuos quo. Massive violence would be quite liekly. And Bioware would never let our side do, you know, war stuff. Not that I see it's a problem if the same tone is used throughout the game.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 2, 2017 17:00:46 GMT
No Reapers=No cycles.
No cycles=nothing to stop races from continuing to advance to Leviathan levels and beyond
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 2, 2017 17:47:56 GMT
20k people with the technological upper hand are not the underdog...if the enemy has no way of defending themselves from orbital mass effect cannon bombardment their whole billions-strong civilization is gone in minutes....literally That's why I said Bioware will make them equivalent in terms of technology. Having them more sophisticated or the other way around doesn't make for a good statuos quo. Massive violence would be quite liekly. And Bioware would never let our side do, you know, war stuff. Not that I see it's a problem if the same tone is used throughout the game. yeah I have serious issues with that....
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 2, 2017 18:37:48 GMT
I don't think so: while it's true they haven't faced general extinction every 50’000, they also didn’t have access to reaper tech in the form of galaxy portals, mass effect and eezo manipulation. And while it’s true the Reapers used their tech to force predetermined evolution in the races of the Milky Way, it’s also true that, until the times for reaping comes, it’s one hell of a jump start in technology for a new civilization. Discovering FTL without this kind of jumpstart could take centuries, millennials and/or a particular grasp on physics. Even then, Milky Way civilization in the ME universe are utterly dependent on eezo, which seems to form near energetic stars /violent cosmic phenomenon... And there is more: eezo is toxic (deadly) for anyone but biotics lore wise. So, to develop FTL tech without Reaper Jump start (similar to the one in the Milky way of course), you would need an element only found near violent stars, where no sane person would go, especially with slower than light travel… It’s plausible that we, the invader of Andromeda, would survive our initial years in the new galaxy thanks only to our superior tech. Which would it make sense: we’re less than 1 million people in uncharted territory. We need something, a defining advantage that make our survival possible. Just my two cents on the matter. true. But maybe they couldhave found another way. But they wouldn't have what is an insanely strong jumpstart. Speaking of which. Inferiour FTL might be a strain on their logistics, if reinforcements from home would take months to reach Helius this could give milkies another edge in conflict. At least until they capture and reverse engineer milky ship. I wonder if all ships are equipped with ODSY or just Arks/Nexus. No Reapers=No cycles. No cycles=nothing to stop races from continuing to advance to Leviathan levels and beyond As well as finding 1001 ways for self-destruction.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 2, 2017 18:44:03 GMT
true. But maybe they couldhave found another way. But they wouldn't have what is an insanely strong jumpstart. Speaking of which. Inferiour FTL might be a strain on their logistics, if reinforcements from home would take months to reach Helius this could give milkies another edge in conflict. At least until they capture and reverse engineer milky ship. I wonder if all ships are equipped with ODSY or just Arks/Nexus. Just the Arks and the Nexus are equipped with ODSY drives. The drive is said to be massive, so smaller ships can't hold it. So all the smaller ships we have, like the Tempest, are docked within the Nexus and Arks.
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Post by Rivercurse on Jan 2, 2017 18:47:58 GMT
Remnants can be MW species from a cycle long time ago Oh, I really like this idea. The Remnants are a Milky Way race from x million years ago who learned of the coming reaper invasion and fled to Andromeda as part of a last ditch survival plan. That would give an explanation as to how some Reaper tech can be found in Andromeda and would also leave a mystery to solve as to what happened to the remnant once they got here, and where they all went.
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Post by sl4ter on Jan 2, 2017 18:53:50 GMT
I feel like they are inferior, but have their own kind of intelligence since they were able to survive for so long. I remember one of the Ketts saying "Now I know what makes you special", like in special regarding to the Reapers (wasn't there a theory around this aswell?). That would mean they know what the Reapers are capable of and that reminds me of the protheans. But only that they found their own way to hide.
Now that I think about it... What if the Kett knew what would happen to advanced races and purposefully stay at a certain technology level so they don't get killed? So that mean they would be more powerful than they actually are and that makes them kind of more intelligent than other races? I mean, they don't extinct.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 2, 2017 18:55:00 GMT
No Reapers=No cycles. No cycles=nothing to stop races from continuing to advance to Leviathan levels and beyond But as I mentioned on the previous page, this means the real threat to the species in Andromeda are each other (or themselves). Andromedan species might not last long enough to get to Reaper or Leviathan levels of power, because they fell before they could get there. There are many examples in human history of Empires falling due to internal or external threats, despite often having technological superiority over the nations that took them down. That sort of political situation might lead to either one species dominating all other races in the galaxy (like the Protheans) or the more powerful species stuck in a Cold War and technological arms race with each other, ensuring the balance of power in the galaxy remains intact. If the latter, that could explain why the Kett are so interested in the Remnant, because they're looking for an technological edge to take down any rivals? It might also mean that the Andromeda Initiatives arrival ends up disrupting whatever power dynamic is in place in Andromeda?
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Post by Iakus on Jan 2, 2017 19:00:12 GMT
No Reapers=No cycles. No cycles=nothing to stop races from continuing to advance to Leviathan levels and beyond But as I mentioned on the previous page, this means the real threat to the species in Andromeda are each other (or themselves). Andromedan species might not last long enough to get to Reaper or Leviathan levels of power, because they fell before they could get there. There are many examples in human history of Empires falling due to internal or external threats, despite often having technological superiority over the nations that took them down. That sort of political situation might lead to either one species dominating all other races in the galaxy (like the Protheans) or the more powerful species stuck in a Cold War and technological arms race with each other, ensuring the balance of power in the galaxy remains intact. If the latter, that could explain why the Kett are so interested in the Remnant, because they're looking for an technological edge to take down any rivals? It might also mean that the Andromeda Initiatives arrival ends up disrupting whatever power dynamic is in place in Andromeda? But...but...MAH INEVITABILITY!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 20:01:34 GMT
Get prepared to play the god damned underdog. Let's see, you have 4 arks that have 20K people on them, and the Nexus which let's say contains 250K people. So, that's 330K people. Against billions. So, yah. 20k people with the technological upper hand are not the underdog...if the enemy has no way of defending themselves from orbital mass effect cannon bombardment their whole billions-strong civilization is gone in minutes....literally Assuming for a moment that the Milky Way species are more technologically advanced, the gulf between them and the Andromeda natives may not be that great. The Andromeda natives could be space-faring species capable of defending their planet from orbital bombardment, but with ships that are slower, pack less firepower, and less well armored / shielded. You could have a situation where the Milky Way species are more technologically advanced but at a disadvantage because the Khet have a significant quantitative edge, and the technological advantage possessed by the Milky Way species not great enough to make up for the disparity in numbers.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 2, 2017 20:23:01 GMT
No Reapers=No cycles. No cycles=nothing to stop races from continuing to advance to Leviathan levels and beyond
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 3, 2017 0:39:46 GMT
20k people with the technological upper hand are not the underdog...if the enemy has no way of defending themselves from orbital mass effect cannon bombardment their whole billions-strong civilization is gone in minutes....literally Assuming for a moment that the Milky Way species are more technologically advanced, the gulf between them and the Andromeda natives may not be that great. The Andromeda natives could be space-faring species capable of defending their planet from orbital bombardment, but with ships that are slower, pack less firepower, and less well armored / shielded. You could have a situation where the Milky Way species are more technologically advanced but at a disadvantage because the Khet have a significant quantitative edge, and the technological advantage possessed by the Milky Way species not great enough to make up for the disparity in numbers. if that is the case what is stopping the scenario I presented?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 3:39:16 GMT
Assuming for a moment that the Milky Way species are more technologically advanced, the gulf between them and the Andromeda natives may not be that great. The Andromeda natives could be space-faring species capable of defending their planet from orbital bombardment, but with ships that are slower, pack less firepower, and less well armored / shielded. You could have a situation where the Milky Way species are more technologically advanced but at a disadvantage because the Khet have a significant quantitative edge, and the technological advantage possessed by the Milky Way species not great enough to make up for the disparity in numbers. if that is the case what is stopping the scenario I presented? If the technological advantage is only slight, but the Milky Way species are massively outnumbered, the Khet would have a means of defending their home planet. Quantity sometimes has a quality all its own. They'd have a much larger fleet and the Milky Way species getting into a position to orbital bombard a homeworld wouldn't be a given. If the Khet are spread between multiple settled planets, like the Turians or the Asari in the Milky Way, bombarding one world isn't necessarily going to secure victory either. The Milky Way species would actually be more at risk of suffering a single catastrophic knock out blow than the Khet, with most of their population confined to a single space station and four arks. There could potentially be billions or trillions of Khet, spread between multiple colonies.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 3, 2017 4:52:38 GMT
No Reapers=No cycles. No cycles=nothing to stop races from continuing to advance to Leviathan levels and beyond Liked for Vorlon reference
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Post by zarrokhai on Jan 3, 2017 5:54:39 GMT
This is all under the assumption that the Kett are the strongest species in Andromeda. So far we only know that they are the most hostile to the Milky Way Species' and that they too are hunting for the Remnant tech. The Andromeda Galaxy could very well be in a state of civil war with some races fighting others. As Sifr stated, perhaps they haven't been able to advance too far due to a constant state of warfare. My guess is that the Kett see the newcomers as simply adding to the already overfilled pot. It might be that Andromeda is suffering from a serious lack of resources and everyone is fighting to keep the remaining resources for themselves.
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Post by Phantom on Jan 3, 2017 6:29:00 GMT
Don't know. It might be safe to say they won't be as stupid as the reapers were in ME3 well Reapers among other factions are carrying the idiot ball within ME3.
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Post by helios969 on Jan 3, 2017 12:02:30 GMT
It might be interesting if they go the other route and have the Milky Way colonists as slightly more advanced technologically, but at a disadvantage because of much fewer numbers, being in unfamiliar territory, and without established worlds. Which I actually think is how Bio will present it. I'd speculate that there will be a counter faction in conflict with the Khet and one of our roles as PF is to explore each race and their cultural differences, perhaps even picking a side and upsetting the fragile balance between two powers...or better remaining neutral and encouraging each to fight and weaken themselves while we uncover Remnant tech to strengthen our position in the Helius Cluster.
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Post by Ahriman on Jan 3, 2017 13:16:24 GMT
Speaking of which. Inferiour FTL might be a strain on their logistics, if reinforcements from home would take months to reach Helius this could give milkies another edge in conflict. At least until they capture and reverse engineer milky ship. I wonder if all ships are equipped with ODSY or just Arks/Nexus. Just the Arks and the Nexus are equipped with ODSY drives. The drive is said to be massive, so smaller ships can't hold it. So all the smaller ships we have, like the Tempest, are docked within the Nexus and Arks. Ah, you're right, totally forgot "massive" part. That picture just looked like darker version of Normandy's core. if that is the case what is stopping the scenario I presented? If the technological advantage is only slight, but the Milky Way species are massively outnumbered, the Khet would have a means of defending their home planet. Quantity sometimes has a quality all its own. They'd have a much larger fleet and the Milky Way species getting into a position to orbital bombard a homeworld wouldn't be a given. If the Khet are spread between multiple settled planets, like the Turians or the Asari in the Milky Way, bombarding one world isn't necessarily going to secure victory either. The Milky Way species would actually be more at risk of suffering a single catastrophic knock out blow than the Khet, with most of their population confined to a single space station and four arks. There could potentially be billions or trillions of Khet, spread between multiple colonies. Not to mention, that Arks are supposed to unload their passengers on Nexus, because they probably have no means of supporting such (unfrozen) population on their own.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 3, 2017 22:04:02 GMT
if that is the case what is stopping the scenario I presented? If the technological advantage is only slight, but the Milky Way species are massively outnumbered, the Khet would have a means of defending their home planet. Quantity sometimes has a quality all its own. They'd have a much larger fleet and the Milky Way species getting into a position to orbital bombard a homeworld wouldn't be a given. If the Khet are spread between multiple settled planets, like the Turians or the Asari in the Milky Way, bombarding one world isn't necessarily going to secure victory either. The Milky Way species would actually be more at risk of suffering a single catastrophic knock out blow than the Khet, with most of their population confined to a single space station and four arks. There could potentially be billions or trillions of Khet, spread between multiple colonies. depends on how decisive that slight advantage is. If that slight tech advantage allows us to drop extinction level event sized asteroids on their home planet and decimate their capitals from beyond their reach with mass effect weapons where they developed solely direct energy transfer armaments (which are comparably is not more effective in certain scenarios but lacking in others) then I am all for blowing them all away.
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Post by kino on Jan 3, 2017 22:13:41 GMT
I doubt it. I suspect the Kett's dominance will be because they're more established and either technically equivalent, or greater than, the ark populace.
That doesn't equate, though, to being Reaper strong.
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Post by Phantom on Jan 3, 2017 23:06:39 GMT
to me, they should be powerful enough to be viable threat but not so much that a deus ex machina or bad writing to defeat them.(looks at ME3)
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Post by bshep on Jan 3, 2017 23:22:47 GMT
I hope (and expect) they will be nothing more than a regional power on Andromeda, which influence only extends over a few star clusters (Helius included). Mostly because there is no Mass Relays to allow fast travel from one end of the galaxy to the other and also because if they are anywhere close to let's say the turians in military might then the Milky way colonists are fucked
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Jan 4, 2017 0:27:25 GMT
I doubt it. Seems incredibly unnecessary. The power differential between the Milky Way races and the Kett should be from the simple fact that we're utterly new to the galaxy, with sparse resources, and they're a well established galactic native. If they were so advanced to as to be "Reaper" level then why would they be threatened by us? How would we even stand a chance with what pathetic resources we have? Going up against a god-like foe just seems like a rehash to me.
I think the political drama and economic deficit of basically being immigrants to Andromeda is enough conflict to drive the plot.
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Post by ssanyesz on Jan 4, 2017 1:10:03 GMT
I think the political drama and economic deficit of basically being immigrants to Andromeda is enough conflict to drive the plot. I agree, and some of the enemies have religious names, so there is that too for complications. It is like when the Qun stayed at Kirkwall, just now we are the invading yet persistent force and maybe their church (or its equivalent) are attacking us pagans. If they do it right there will be plenty of conflict in each front. I hope they're doing it right
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 4, 2017 7:11:33 GMT
Jesus Christ I hope not. I am growing tired of ALWAYS playing the goddam underdog Get prepared to play the god damned underdog. Let's see, you have 4 arks that have 20K people on them, and the Nexus which let's say contains 250K people. So, that's 330K people. Against billions. So, yah. Well, if the entirety of their species is a monolithic faction, then I guess it would be tens of millions, but it's possible that they won't all be hostile.
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