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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 18, 2017 23:08:14 GMT
Wait, I think I got it. There is one explanation for the lack of weapons. Well, not in-universe, that will never stop being dumb. But as a dev decision I think I understand. We need to buy more DLC guys. Vehicular Weapons Pack 01. 800 BioWare points. You get an email that says proper armaments have been fitted to your ship and car. No other changes. Buy now!  |
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Post by spacebeetle on Jan 18, 2017 23:10:09 GMT
Wait, I think I got it. There is one explanation for the lack of weapons. Well, not in-universe, that will never stop being dumb. But as a dev decision I think I understand. We need to buy more DLC guys. Vehicular Weapons Pack 01. 800 BioWare points. You get an email that says proper armaments have been fitted to your ship and car. No other changes. Buy now! I think I could go Full Scorpio at that point.  |
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2017 23:10:18 GMT
Wait, I think I got it. There is one explanation for the lack of weapons. Well, not in-universe, that will never stop being dumb. But as a dev decision I think I understand. We need to buy more DLC guys. Vehicular Weapons Pack 01. 800 BioWare points. You get an email that says proper armaments have been fitted to your ship and car. No other changes. Buy now! Would not buy. Even my desire to throw BioWare money I would not buy. I do not want weapons on the stupid Nomad anyways. |
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2017 23:20:05 GMT
Would not buy. Even my desire to throw BioWare money I would not buy. I do not want weapons on the stupid Nomad anyways. Sometimes I feel like I understand the Reapers. They were right, how can organics that do these kind of things have any hope of salvation? What not want the Nomad to be armed? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 23:22:03 GMT
Sometimes I feel like I understand the Reapers. They were right, how can organics that do these kind of things have any hope of salvation?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 23:22:41 GMT
Sometimes I feel like I understand the Reapers. They were right, how can organics that do these kind of things have any hope of salvation? What not want the Nomad to be armed? Sorry, was not supposed to quote you.  It was a new post. |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 18, 2017 23:29:12 GMT
Would not buy. Even my desire to throw BioWare money I would not buy. I do not want weapons on the stupid Nomad anyways. Sometimes I feel like I understand the Reapers. They were right, how can organics that do these kind of things have any hope of salvation? It's the reason we made it to Andromeda, really. They let us go. Random Reaper: Hey, these meatbags are planning to escape to Andromeda! Harbinger: They must be stopped. Random Reaper: Wait... they're not packing any weapons. Harbinger: Really? Ok let them go. Random Reaper: Wait, what? Shouldn't we, you know, kill them? I mean they'd be really easy pickings... Harbinger: Nah, we're good. Even if they make it, whatever's in there will make short work of them. Random Reaper: Well, ok but shouldn't we add them to the harvest? Harbinger: It's called 'natural selection' Gary. We don't want a repeat of Fred, now do we? |
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Post by keiji on Jan 18, 2017 23:30:18 GMT
Perhaps it's a challenge ? No weapons on the Tempest and the Nomad like : "Don't need weapon on my vehicule bro, come and get me". Looking like this it's not hippy anymore. It's bad ass.  
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 23:32:14 GMT
Sometimes I feel like I understand the Reapers. They were right, how can organics that do these kind of things have any hope of salvation? It's the reason we made it to Andromeda, really. They let us go. Random Reaper: Hey, these meatbags are planning to escape to Andromeda! Harbinger: They must be stopped. Random Reaper: Wait... they're not packing any weapons. Harbinger: Really? Ok let them go. Random Reaper: Wait, what? Shouldn't we, you know, kill them? I mean they'd be really easy pickings... Harbinger: Nah, we're good. Even if they make it, whatever's in there will make short work of them. Random Reaper: Well, ok but shouldn't we add them to the harvest? Harbinger: It's called 'natural selection' Gary. We don't want a repeat of Fred, now do we? LOL. There is just too much awesomeness in this answer. I shouldn't even laugh, because it's true. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 18, 2017 23:32:28 GMT
You know the one argument that I am surprised has not been advanced (that I have seen anyways) Is if the Tempest did have weapons it would be just asking for trouble. Even the original SR-1 is bigger then it. So even if it did have weapons to defend itself pretty uch everything it would run into would rip it apart limb for limb. Running away is its only option really for survival. Now the Nomad is a different story, but again, been there. And GARDIAN lasers stink apparently.  Depends on the kind. If they operate in the infrared frequencies, then they are only good at destroying things like missiles and fighters and are possibly able to damage big ships if you focus fire long enough. If they operate in ultraviolet frequencies, they can cut through even large ships like a hot knife through butter. |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 18, 2017 23:47:10 GMT
LOL. There is just too much awesomeness in this answer. I shouldn't even laugh, because it's true. In case you missed last week's episode, this is Fred the Reaper:  |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 18, 2017 23:48:59 GMT
me included, quite a few people. Because that is what we were told "we come in peace this we need to have weaponless vehicles so we do not antagonize the alien races we come in contact with" There have been quite a few suggestions made ranging from intentional design decisions/restrictions to oversights. If you've missed them, that's on you. You'd need a pretty big bomber fleet and army to conquer Tuchanka. By the time you removed all krogan resistance, there'd be even less habitable planet left. The AI does not appear to be geared up for that kind of conquest. pasquale are you daft? How do you omit freaking armaments in a situation like this one? Ok so it's not space hippy bullshit it's critical planning failure? I am not sure what is worse. Also I do not want to fucking conquer tuchanka stop being obtusely literal. The point is that if a planet like tuchanka or with similarly hostile and resilient fauna ( and flora actually) needs to be landed on then you fucking need a weaponized vehicle which we are being denied. |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 18, 2017 23:52:12 GMT
Alright, all fun and games, but let's keep it out of the personal now.
We don't want to cause a scene in front of Fred.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2017 23:53:55 GMT
Alright, all fun and games, but let's keep it out of the personal now. We don't want to cause a scene in front of Fred. Why would it matter? If he gets displeased he would either vaporize us with particle beams or turn us into bio Reaper goo. |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 18, 2017 23:54:03 GMT
you mean lawful stupid lol Nah, being so trusting you'll go out exploring strange new worlds trusting that nothing's going to try to kill and eat you is "stupid good" Though I suppose passively following those guidelines without an argument when you should know better is Lawful Stupid... so Alec is lawful stupid |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 18, 2017 23:55:44 GMT
Alright, all fun and games, but let's keep it out of the personal now. We don't want to cause a scene in front of Fred. Why would it matter? If he gets displeased he would either vaporize us with particle beams or turn us into bio Reaper goo. Yes but it'd upset him. And special Reapers have feelings too |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 18, 2017 23:58:05 GMT
The 'they' I was referring to was referring to an in-universe perspective in the sense that in-universe nobody would see the decisions the AI has made to be logical since they know that alien life is a real thing and can be a threat so would not send civilians without a means of fighting back. We know this because we've seen this mindset prevalent throughout the trilogy. I don't recall ever seeing any codex entries or other in-world lore having to do with the usual process followed in colonization. We did see a number of colonies in TMW with minimal (if any) defenses. IIRC, part of the ME2 mission on Horizon involved initiating the newly installed GARDIAN laser systems. The colony had been founded in 2168, and it was just getting these defenses in 2185. The colonists on Feros formed their own militia to protect themselves. Etc. Pray tell, what happened to those colonies that had no defenses? Oh right, they were wiped out. Whoever built those colonies were illogical and didn't have the well-being of their people in mind, just like I said. Horizon was only getting those weapons because the Alliance forced them to, having intel that it would soon be hit by the Collectors. Before that, the colonists of Horizon hoped that their small size(stealth) would keep them safe. Again, how did that turn out for them? It resulted in half their colony being turned into goo for the proto-Reaper. Feros had other defenses to start with, in the form of a private security company. They were just not enough to face off the Geth since at the time nothing was so led to those forces being wiped out. As for the Feros militia, are you referring to ME1 or ME3? If the former, they did that because they were all that was left. If the latter, they did that because they wanted to help stop the Reapers and due to their connection to each other via Thorian spores they made an effective unit. |
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2017 0:00:15 GMT
I don't recall ever seeing any codex entries or other in-world lore having to do with the usual process followed in colonization. We did see a number of colonies in TMW with minimal (if any) defenses. IIRC, part of the ME2 mission on Horizon involved initiating the newly installed GARDIAN laser systems. The colony had been founded in 2168, and it was just getting these defenses in 2185. The colonists on Feros formed their own militia to protect themselves. Etc. Pray tell, what happened to those colonies that had no defenses? Oh right, they were wiped out. Whoever built those colonies were illogical and didn't have the well-being of their people in mind, just like I said. Horizon was only getting those weapons because the Alliance forced them to, having intel that it would soon be hit by the Collectors. Before that, the colonists of Horizon hoped that their small size(stealth) would keep them safe. Again, how did that turn out for them? It resulted in half their colony being turned into goo for the proto-Reaper. Feros had other defenses to start with, in the form of a private security company. They were just not enough to face off the Geth since at the time nothing was so led to those forces being wiped out. As for the Feros militia, are you referring to ME1 or ME3? If the former, they did that because they were all that was left. If the latter, they did that because they wanted to help stop the Reapers and due to their connection to each other via Thorian spores they made an effective unit. You are talking about a Planet (a relatively concrete position in the galaxy) versus something that can FTL to other systems in relatively quick order. Something which is pretty small too and thus the kind of arms it can carry would likely be limited by that size. (For instance I doubt it could pack a Thanix Canon) |
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Post by themikefest on Jan 19, 2017 0:02:04 GMT
I wonder with the car and plane not having weapons is the reason why mom Ryder didn't go to Andromeda? She couldn't stop her husband nor could she stop her children from leaving, since they're old enough to make their own decisions, but she'll be damned if she's going to Andromeda without anyway to defend herself.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 19, 2017 0:06:54 GMT
Pray tell, what happened to those colonies that had no defenses? Oh right, they were wiped out. Whoever built those colonies were illogical and didn't have the well-being of their people in mind, just like I said. Horizon was only getting those weapons because the Alliance forced them to, having intel that it would soon be hit by the Collectors. Before that, the colonists of Horizon hoped that their small size(stealth) would keep them safe. Again, how did that turn out for them? It resulted in half their colony being turned into goo for the proto-Reaper. Feros had other defenses to start with, in the form of a private security company. They were just not enough to face off the Geth since at the time nothing was so led to those forces being wiped out. As for the Feros militia, are you referring to ME1 or ME3? If the former, they did that because they were all that was left. If the latter, they did that because they wanted to help stop the Reapers and due to their connection to each other via Thorian spores they made an effective unit. You are talking about a Planet (a relatively concrete position in the galaxy) versus something that can FTL to other systems in relatively quick order. Something which is pretty small too and thus the kind of arms it can carry would likely be limited by that size. (For instance I doubt it could pack a Thanix Canon) I'm talking about colonies not needing defenses in the form of weaponry and how due to instances in the Milky Way arming colonists is the prevalent mindset. They argued against that, yet their examples helped prove my point. I can mention what happens to ships that don't have weaponry too. They don't fare much better despite having the abilities you mention. The Tempest is the same size as the Normandy SR1(at least the fuselages are) and yet the latter can hold weaponry capable of destroying a ship much larger than itself without adversely affecting it. |
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 19, 2017 0:07:19 GMT
I wonder with the car and plane not having weapons is the reason why mom Ryder didn't go to Andromeda? She couldn't stop her husband nor could she stop her children from leaving, since they're old enough to make their own decisions, but she'll be damned if she's going to Andromeda without anyway to defend herself. It's more likely that we'll found out that Harbinger is Scott and Sara's father then that being the reason for her not being present in Andromeda. Assuming she's not already dead. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 19, 2017 0:09:19 GMT
I wonder with the car and plane not having weapons is the reason why mom Ryder didn't go to Andromeda? She couldn't stop her husband nor could she stop her children from leaving, since they're old enough to make their own decisions, but she'll be damned if she's going to Andromeda without anyway to defend herself. If so, my Ryders would rather have stayed with Mom. Too bad they are predetermined protagonists. |
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 19, 2017 0:09:20 GMT
I wonder with the car and plane not having weapons is the reason why mom Ryder didn't go to Andromeda? She couldn't stop her husband nor could she stop her children from leaving, since they're old enough to make their own decisions, but she'll be damned if she's going to Andromeda without anyway to defend herself. my theory is that she is dead and Sam is the digitalization of her intelligence.... |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 19, 2017 0:09:41 GMT
I wonder with the car and plane not having weapons is the reason why mom Ryder didn't go to Andromeda? She couldn't stop her husband nor could she stop her children from leaving, since they're old enough to make their own decisions, but she'll be damned if she's going to Andromeda without anyway to defend herself. my theory is that she is dead and Sam is the digitalization of her intelligence.... EVA Unit 1, is that you? |
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Post by fialka on Jan 19, 2017 0:10:11 GMT
The way I see it, if we happen to land on a planet as hostile and inhospitable as Tuchanka, our only job as the Pathfinder is to get the hell out of there as quickly as possible and cross not-Tuchanka off the possible colonies list. Seems to me the Nomad and Tempest are designed to do exactly that. I know the first time I played ME1 I didn't realize right away that I could kill the maws from inside the Mako, so I got the hell out of there without bothering to fire a single shot. And, amazingly, I lived every time. I did not live every time I tried to fight them (apparently trying to drive up it while shooting frantically in the air is not a winning strategy...)
If I recall in the trilogy, we never used the Normandy for cover fire during extractions. The one time we did get that it was because Joker hobbled his way to airlock and provided it for us with a handheld gun. And in space? I imagine in the time it takes to ready, aim, fire any onboard guns we could hit FTL and be a good light year away, couldn't we? Without suffering damage to our ship. Which might be rather tricky to repair when we've barely established ourselves.
Anyway as I've said before I'm not that worried about it. And I'll continue to not worry about it as I play the game and have actual fun. Being a space hippy. And banging people. And whatever else it is people who don't really care about not having guns on our ship apparently play the game to do.
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