The Tempest thread (confirmed 100% weaponry free)

No idea lol... they didn't look like gardian lasers to me, but some kind dropped bombs. *shrug*

Played it a couple days ago before I realized that I can't play ME3 without a save, so I started up ME2 lol

That presupposes that there's no downside to having weapons on the Nomad. Weapons larger than the crew can carry will doubtless slow it down. So having the option to engage in combat with something that small arms can't take out also diminishes your chances of out-running it. 

Unless there's a particular reason for wanting the attacker dead, you stand more chance of surviving by running than by staying to slug it out. 

But there's always the option of exiting the Nomad and taking the enemy out on foot. In ME1 it was often easier to kill things that way than with the Mako!

The AI was in development for ten years. Long before even Shepard knew about the Reapers.

It was funded by Jien who is an extremely rich individual who doesn't need to get approval from any board.

Now we do know that it got additional backers and increased in scope towards the end but there's no reason to believe that was because of the Reapers.

It would make no sense for Bioware to make the reason for the AI about the Reapers because the Reapers were the big bad of the trilogy and MEA is supposed to be something fresh and new. Why link it to a threat nobody who is playing this game for the first time have any experience of or knowledge of and which we'll never see in the game.

What you think why Bioware decide that Tempest and Nomad be weaponless although is certainly that main characters on ground will use weapons more than diplomacy and this is action/RPG game. Are MA: E rushed by EA again?

Seems that Nomad will be nothing more then futuristic horse from Dragon Age: Inquisition and when we encounter the enemy we will deal with it on same way like we do in DA:I

This nonsense and very unlogical decision of Bioware even if is true that (from story plot rumors) That Andromeda Initiative been limited on supply & time, even if this is true we can get options to R&D and mount weapons on AI fleet upon it reach Andromeda (gather resources & technologies by diplomacy, stealing etc).

Reasons for this my option is numerous:

1. Andromeda Initiative is founded in case that Cmdr. Shepard don't stop Reapers in its mission to wipe Human civilization and Milky way galaxy from life. With taking about 100.000 Humans and other ME Spices to Andromeda. (don't know exactly number). and it is founded surly by ex military/intelligence personal from one side together with civilians and corporations which fund it

2. It is started in period of ME 2 & 3 while our galaxy been in war.

3. From our history we can see that in time of war even civilian ships usually become armed even to the teeth. Look merchants transport ships in WW2 at begin of war it been unarmed and easy prey for German subs, but after war going on it get good defense weaponry that subs cannot engage it on surface with its main gun because this way of attack  become suicide mission for German U-Boats...

4. In time of total war even civilian factories and shipyards become part of military so weapon mount is allowed there is no time for regular law which denied it (we also had numerous examples in WW2),

4. First Explorer ships to the new word also carry guns for defense.

5. Is very stupid to send Ark with last hope of mankind into unexplored Galaxy together with unarmed escorts.

6. If Nomad & Tempest don't need weapons why its crew is armed to the teeth with small weapons (from pistols, snipers to the rocket launchers) even better then common solders?!!!

7. Even if Tempest is very fast, movable, have stealth device this is not enough it must have possibility of fire support (cover fire) for protect ground teams and itself until it take ground team back to ship before it can enter into stealth mode & escape + AI cannot know nothing about spices in Andromeda are our stealth technology will be stealth for Andromeda spices...

I really hope that this is not true. Also I would like if we can made R&D of weapons and technologies in which we encounter in Andromeda that we can made customization of Tempest with it then... and that our customization change appearance of ship.


p.s. even Federation Oberth science starship have 2 phrases banks and at least one photon torpedo launcher
sto.gamepedia.com/Oberth_Class_Light_Science_Vessel

Even the Normandy and Kodiak had to run and leave a ground team unsupported during ME3 despite being armed.

Considering you're such a small scout ship I don't think weapons would help you survive any of the other options for very long and any weapons that might swing that equation are going to slow you down and reduce your other option of running.

Basically you can be mediocre at both engaging and running by including weapons, you can maximize your chances of engaging by adding a main gun and heavy armour or you can maximize your chances of running by having light armour and no weapons.

I think you have a much better chance of survival with the latter.

Apart from anything else, having weapons makes you a target from anyone that perceives you as a threat. So, rather than protecting you, they could actually contribute to the reason you're being attacked in the first place!

Good point. Must remember to not take Drack anywhere in the Nomad

Of course Drack is probably more effective than a main gun anyway

from gamespot www.gamespot.com/videos/is-mass-effect-andromeda-being-rushed-the-lobby/2300-6436552/

So just becasue we are ''explorers'' send to search for resources (or whatever) does mean that we don't need weapons in the unknown and dangerous galaxy? Ok..

You're absolutely right. The Ai is impossible to finance, not only because of how much it would cost, but also because how non sensical it is. Why invest in a trip to another galaxy with technology that was never truly tested (and shouldn't even exist) and will (maybe!) give minimal return after centuries if you have thousands of better alternatives?

    Here I agree that one person can't finance the Initiative, though I suspect that it will become clarified later that the Initiative was put together and financed by a group of people. Jian Garson only claims to be the founder, after all, not the sole financier. The main problem I have with the Initiative as a whole has more to do with problems that were inherent in the ME universe already during the trilogy, namely that humans are so powerful only 30 years after First Contact and that 1 percent of the galaxy has been explored. I think Bioware wrote themselves into stupid lore corners by making the timeline so truncated and the galaxy so vast. Imagine how fewer issues we would have if the galaxy was mostly explored by the time of ME3, or if humans had been on the galactic stage for 100 years instead of 30.

    So to me it sort of feels like Bioware is trying to soft-reboot the series by starting it in Andromeda, getting to keep the iconic species and tech aesthetic and wipe away all the lore previously. I know this rubs some people the wrong way, and to be honest it's mildly irritating to me as well, but it was irritating in the original trilogy anyway. It was just a problem from the beginning.

    Given that this is a soft reboot, I suspect it might be a better alternative to sort of hand wave what we can regarding the motivations of the Initiative in relation to the original trilogy. It doesn't make logical sense, but if Andromeda is good and spawns many more games I reckon the trade off it worth it.

    I do wonder if there's a more hidden agenda that might justify the Initiative, though. Maybe there's a big conspiracy behind the trip. Maybe Garson and the others knew about the Reapers before Shepard and began preparations 10 years before the Battle of the Citadel. I dunno.

I honestly don't get where you're getting the impression that the few of us who have been discussing plot devices, plot holes, and lore are expecting you "to just smile and nod."  A plot device can be a good one or a bad one.  People can like them or they can also not like them.  It's OK for anyone to be skeptical or pessimistic... but it is should also be equally OK for people to be hopeful and optimistic... since neither side knows yet what it is the Bioware is actually doing with this.  We just know that they're doing it this way and that it is unlikely that it's not a conscious decision on their part... i.e. they haven't just forgotten to put weapons on the Nomad or Tempest.