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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 0:13:42 GMT
Well, as Iakus said they included romances where sex scenes are optional. Some will be present in Andromeda as well, based on what they said. I don't think they like much the ideal of toggles in this regard. Which is weird. The scenes exist as cutscenes. They've already had the option to skip cutscenes in the past. Seems a no brainer to extend that option to sex scenes. Nudity doesn't offend my sensibilities at all, but I can't imagine the process of making a scene skipable is so demanding as to not be worth a dev's time. In ME1, you could. But in DAI, I had an entire naked conversation with Cassandra that I couldn't skip |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 7, 2017 9:30:21 GMT
Which is weird. The scenes exist as cutscenes. They've already had the option to skip cutscenes in the past. Seems a no brainer to extend that option to sex scenes. Nudity doesn't offend my sensibilities at all, but I can't imagine the process of making a scene skipable is so demanding as to not be worth a dev's time. In ME1, you could. But in DAI, I had an entire naked conversation with Cassandra that I couldn't skipSomething I have done personally with DAI. Here is one way around it: Run the game in a window and at the "time" use window key and then click minimize. Bad thing is that only works in autonomous scenes. Should you the exact length then just time it by computer clock then un-minimize. In ones requiring input I again run in a window and at the "time" push the windows key. Then left click on the game window top boarder and drag the game window till only top bar shows. After that I just hit the number (1-6) for the responses. I hear the dialog but my eyes are not offended. Have not tried it in windowed full screen though... Again it all comes down to what a person wants and the content being optional. |
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In ME1, you could. But in DAI, I had an entire naked conversation with Cassandra that I couldn't skipSomething I have done personally with DAI. Here is one way around it: Run the game in a window and at the "time" use window key and then click minimize. Bad thing is that only works in autonomous scenes. Should you the exact length then just time it by computer clock then un-minimize. In ones requiring input I again run in a window and at the "time" push the windows key. Then left click on the game window top boarder and drag the game window till only top bar shows. After that I just hit the number (1-6) for the responses. I hear the dialog but my eyes are not offended. Have not tried it in windowed full screen though... Again it all comes down to what a person wants and the content being optional. Easier solution... just tape a piece of paper to the top edge of your monitor and flip it down when the conversation starts and don't flip it back up until after it's done... or just use the rotate mechanism that's probably built right into that chair you're sitting in (i.e spin around for second and look at the wall behind you)... or just close your eyes (trust me, your ears still work). |
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Post by NRieh on Feb 7, 2017 12:10:46 GMT
What is considered "moderate" nudity? The same as DA:I? Something else? I guess Сullen's ass at the end of the party defines it rather well. Still, I'd rather have a fade-to-black than yet-another another awkward attempt to show how 'mature' our game is. Scene script and camera angles may work miracles, even with no 'parts' appearing on the screen directly. ME1, DA2 Anders - that's the way it should be. With no getting on top in full heavy armors, no awkward in-engine nudity etc. Bright side, though - we might not get a shower\bath in the underwear scene this time. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 14:04:02 GMT
Something I have done personally with DAI. Here is one way around it: Run the game in a window and at the "time" use window key and then click minimize. Bad thing is that only works in autonomous scenes. Should you the exact length then just time it by computer clock then un-minimize. In ones requiring input I again run in a window and at the "time" push the windows key. Then left click on the game window top boarder and drag the game window till only top bar shows. After that I just hit the number (1-6) for the responses. I hear the dialog but my eyes are not offended. Have not tried it in windowed full screen though... Again it all comes down to what a person wants and the content being optional. Easier solution... just tape a piece of paper to the top edge of your monitor and flip it down when the conversation starts and don't flip it back up until after it's done... or just use the rotate mechanism that's probably built right into that chair you're sitting in (i.e spin around for second and look at the wall behind you)... or just close your eyes (trust me, your ears still work). Despite this being clearly a troll answer, I'll respond like it was serious: The Cassandra scene has dialogue responses in it. How does one use the dialogue wheel if one can't see it? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 14:43:34 GMT
Easier solution... just tape a piece of paper to the top edge of your monitor and flip it down when the conversation starts and don't flip it back up until after it's done... or just use the rotate mechanism that's probably built right into that chair you're sitting in (i.e spin around for second and look at the wall behind you)... or just close your eyes (trust me, your ears still work). Despite this being clearly a troll answer, I'll respond like it was serious: The Cassandra scene has dialogue responses in it. How does one use the dialogue wheel if one can't see it? ... the conversation stops waiting for you to activate the wheel, doesn't it?... and the wheel is at the very bottom of the screen, isn't it? So... hang your sheet of paper such that only the very bottom of the screen is visible... still simple... and beats going through a bunch of programming machinations, IMO. I'm not giving you a "troll answer" here... I assure, I'm being very serious. Your first solution is to read the ratings summaries carefully and you will then know what the game is likely to expose you to. So, simply avoid any the mention nudity in the rating and you won't have to worry whether it's optional or not. Don't buy games that will expose you to stuff you find objectionable. Simple. Here is a direct link to the one for Mass Effect 2: www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=28347&Title=Mass+Effect+2and Mass Effect 3: www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=31961&Title=Mass+Effect+3The one for Mass Effect Andromeda isn't up yet, but I would expect it to contain a similar level of detail. From Bioware's point of view... they will drawn the line at whatever would get them into a rating area they don't want to be in. So, if they don't want to be making an AO game, the extent of what they show will be within what the "M" category allows. If they clean things up too much, they'll wind up with an "E" rating... and they probably don't want that either. They don't have to make anything that complies with that category "optional." If you want to see such a thing enforced on the industry... you should be pressuring the ESRB to refine their ratings system. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 15:17:43 GMT
From Bioware's point of view... they will drawn the line at whatever would get them into a rating area they don't want to be in. So, if they don't want to be making an AO game, the extent of what they show will be within what the "M" category allows. If they clean things up too much, they'll wind up with an "E" rating... and they probably don't want that either. They don't have to make anything that complies with that category "optional." If you want to see such a thing enforced on the industry... you should be pressuring the ESRB to refine their ratings system. "Where the line is" should not be a factor. Pushing the envelope just to push the envelope just gets us cr*p like ME3's "Art". What matters should be "What will players pay us money to see and experience?" And I am just saying what I want. If they want to draw a lot of people in, they should provide a lot of options. |
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From Bioware's point of view... they will drawn the line at whatever would get them into a rating area they don't want to be in. So, if they don't want to be making an AO game, the extent of what they show will be within what the "M" category allows. If they clean things up too much, they'll wind up with an "E" rating... and they probably don't want that either. They don't have to make anything that complies with that category "optional." If you want to see such a thing enforced on the industry... you should be pressuring the ESRB to refine their ratings system. "Where the line is" should not be a factor. Pushing the envelope just to push the envelope just gets us cr*p like ME3's "Art". What matters should be "What will players pay us money to see and experience?" And I am just saying what I want. If they want to draw a lot of people in, they should provide a lot of options. ... not everyone is as impressed with having to press innumerable option buttons all the time just to pacify some people who won't read the ratings on the box. I can state what I want just as much as you can state what you want. Some options are reasonable... others are just pandering to the infernally petty. The ratings system is there for the purpose of enabling people to "filter" objectionable material from what they buy. Use it. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 15:34:09 GMT
"Where the line is" should not be a factor. Pushing the envelope just to push the envelope just gets us cr*p like ME3's "Art". What matters should be "What will players pay us money to see and experience?" And I am just saying what I want. If they want to draw a lot of people in, they should provide a lot of options. ... not everyone is as impressed with having to press innumerable option buttons all the time just to pacify some people who won't read the ratings on the box. I can state what I want just as much as you can state what you want. Some options are reasonable... others are just pandering to the infernally petty. The ratings system is there for the purpose of enabling people to "filter" objectionable material from what they buy. Use it. It's unreasonable to ask Bioware to do what they've already done in a previous M-rated game? A game that had nudity in it?  |
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... not everyone is as impressed with having to press innumerable option buttons all the time just to pacify some people who won't read the ratings on the box. I can state what I want just as much as you can state what you want. Some options are reasonable... others are just pandering to the infernally petty. The ratings system is there for the purpose of enabling people to "filter" objectionable material from what they buy. Use it. It's unreasonable to ask Bioware to do what they've already done in a previous M-rated game? A game that had nudity in it? It is unreasonably in this day and age to expect that any "M" rated game will not expose you to some nudity... and that the exposure may not be "optional." Let's look at the M rating from the exposure to "violence." It might be more objectionable to some people than nudity... Do you honestly expect to make all the combat scenes and mentions optional as well. What about strong language... Do you want them to add and optional "bleeper, too?" Where do YOU draw the line as to what's reasonable and unreasonable... or are YOU just pushing the envelope for the sake of pushing it? |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 15:55:53 GMT
It's unreasonable to ask Bioware to do what they've already done in a previous M-rated game? A game that had nudity in it? It is unreasonably in this day and age to expect that any "M" rated game will not expose you to some nudity... and that the exposure may not be "optional." Let's look at the M rating from the exposure to "violence." It might be more objectionable to some people than nudity... Do you honestly expect to make all the combat scenes and mentions optional as well. What about strong language... Do you want them to add and optional "bleeper, too?" Where do YOU draw the line as to what's reasonable and unreasonable... or are YOU just pushing the envelope for the sake of pushing it? And yet when I go to the ersb website, the list of M-rated games without a nudity warning goes on and on and on... I would not mind of there was less gratuitous blood and gore, yes. Bioware bent the knee to that Witcherism long before they went to T&A route. Language? As long as I can kick those companions who swear like sailors to the curb if I so choose, and can refrain from using said language myself, I'm cool. But this is just me personally. Now let me ask you a question: DO you find it objectionable that the sex scene in ME1 was skippable? Or that Shepard could decline sex from the potential LI without breaking the romance? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:03:36 GMT
It is unreasonably in this day and age to expect that any "M" rated game will not expose you to some nudity... and that the exposure may not be "optional." Let's look at the M rating from the exposure to "violence." It might be more objectionable to some people than nudity... Do you honestly expect to make all the combat scenes and mentions optional as well. What about strong language... Do you want them to add and optional "bleeper, too?" Where do YOU draw the line as to what's reasonable and unreasonable... or are YOU just pushing the envelope for the sake of pushing it? And yet when I go to the ersb website, the list of M-rated games without a nudity warning goes on and on and on... I would not mind of there was less gratuitous blood and gore, yes. Bioware bent the knee to that Witcherism long before they went to T&A route. Language? As long as I can kick those companions who swear like sailors to the curb if I so choose, and can refrain from using said language myself, I'm cool. But this is just me personally. Now let me ask you a question: DO you find it objectionable that the sex scene in ME1 was skippable? Or that Shepard could decline sex from the potential LI without breaking the romance? I'll make it clearer then... It's unreasonble to expect a game with a M rated Nudity warning on the box to not expose the player to some nudity or to basically "require" them to add in an optional filter for what is warned on the box. To answer your question... if I was suddenly presented with a button that said "sex scene coming up, do you want to skip it"... Yeah, I would object because that would totally break the flow of the game at that point. The rating tells me that I'm not going to see things like full frontal male genitalia because that would garner the game an AO rating. Anything I'm about to see would be within the tolerances provided by an M rating... and if I want more detail, I can always look up the Ratings Summary for that game before buying the game. I feel the same way about unnecessarily breaking up dialogue where no relevant choice is being offered anyway. I would rather have the autodialogue just run, that be presented with a dialogue wheel that has all "selections" lead essentially to the same line. I don't mind allowing the game to flow. Stopping the flow does not make me feel more in control of my character. Offering me more relevant choices does. I would rather they take up programming room offering me more of those relevant choices than in giving people "pacifier" buttons to press... but that's just me. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 7, 2017 16:09:37 GMT
"Where the line is" should not be a factor. Pushing the envelope just to push the envelope just gets us cr*p like ME3's "Art". What matters should be "What will players pay us money to see and experience?" And I am just saying what I want. If they want to draw a lot of people in, they should provide a lot of options. ... not everyone is as impressed with having to press innumerable option buttons all the time just to pacify some people who won't read the ratings on the box. I can state what I want just as much as you can state what you want. Some options are reasonable... others are just pandering to the infernally petty. The ratings system is there for the purpose of enabling people to "filter" objectionable material from what they buy. Use it. It amazes me how some people are scared of nipples and butts in a M rated game with nudity. Go figure. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 7, 2017 16:10:49 GMT
And yet when I go to the ersb website, the list of M-rated games without a nudity warning goes on and on and on... I would not mind of there was less gratuitous blood and gore, yes. Bioware bent the knee to that Witcherism long before they went to T&A route. Language? As long as I can kick those companions who swear like sailors to the curb if I so choose, and can refrain from using said language myself, I'm cool. But this is just me personally. Now let me ask you a question: DO you find it objectionable that the sex scene in ME1 was skippable? Or that Shepard could decline sex from the potential LI without breaking the romance? I'll make it clearer then... It's unreasonble to expect a game with a M rated Nudity warning on the box to not expose the player to some nudity or to basically "require" them to add in an optional filter for what is warned on the box. To answer your question... if I was suddenly presented with a button that said "sex scene coming up, do you want to skip it"... Yeah, I would object because that would totally break the flow of the game at that point. The rating tells me that I'm not going to see things like full frontal male genitalia because that would garner the game an AO rating. Anything I'm about to see would be within the tolerances provided by an M rating... and if I want more detail, I can always look up the Ratings Summary for that game before buying the game. I feel the same way about unnecessarily breaking up dialogue where no relevant choice is being offered anyway. I would rather have the autodialogue just run, that be presented with a dialogue wheel that has all "selections" lead essentially to the same line. I don't mind allowing the game to flow. Stopping the flow does not make me feel more in control of my character. Offering me more relevant choices does. I would rather they take up programming room offering me more of those relevant choices than in giving people "pacifier" buttons to press... but that's just me. Why it should work like that? ME had simply the option to turn down the sex scene, as certain romances in DAI, just with an option during the dialogue, not a popup message as you mention. I don't have the same stance of Iakus, but I don't see the problem with dialogue choices like those. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 16:43:08 GMT
And yet when I go to the ersb website, the list of M-rated games without a nudity warning goes on and on and on... I would not mind of there was less gratuitous blood and gore, yes. Bioware bent the knee to that Witcherism long before they went to T&A route. Language? As long as I can kick those companions who swear like sailors to the curb if I so choose, and can refrain from using said language myself, I'm cool. But this is just me personally. Now let me ask you a question: DO you find it objectionable that the sex scene in ME1 was skippable? Or that Shepard could decline sex from the potential LI without breaking the romance? I'll make it clearer then... It's unreasonble to expect a game with a M rated Nudity warning on the box to not expose the player to some nudity or to basically "require" them to add in an optional filter for what is warned on the box. To answer your question... if I was suddenly presented with a button that said "sex scene coming up, do you want to skip it"... Yeah, I would object because that would totally break the flow of the game at that point. The rating tells me that I'm not going to see things like full frontal male genitalia because that would garner the game an AO rating. Anything I'm about to see would be within the tolerances provided by an M rating... and if I want more detail, I can always look up the Ratings Summary for that game before buying the game. I feel the same way about unnecessarily breaking up dialogue where no relevant choice is being offered anyway. I would rather have the autodialogue just run, that be presented with a dialogue wheel that has all "selections" lead essentially to the same line. I don't mind allowing the game to flow. Stopping the flow does not make me feel more in control of my character. Offering me more relevant choices does. I would rather they take up programming room offering me more of those relevant choices than in giving people "pacifier" buttons to press... but that's just me. ME1 didn't have such a "warning". But you could still skip past it like you could any other cinematic scene in the game. What was wrong with that? Rating mean a lot of things. XCOM: Enemy Unknown was rated M for "Blood and Gore, Violence, and Language" But all of that is rather tame (ME3 does not have a gore warning, despite being able to make enemies EXPLODE with a well-placed headshot) |
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I'll make it clearer then... It's unreasonble to expect a game with a M rated Nudity warning on the box to not expose the player to some nudity or to basically "require" them to add in an optional filter for what is warned on the box. To answer your question... if I was suddenly presented with a button that said "sex scene coming up, do you want to skip it"... Yeah, I would object because that would totally break the flow of the game at that point. The rating tells me that I'm not going to see things like full frontal male genitalia because that would garner the game an AO rating. Anything I'm about to see would be within the tolerances provided by an M rating... and if I want more detail, I can always look up the Ratings Summary for that game before buying the game. I feel the same way about unnecessarily breaking up dialogue where no relevant choice is being offered anyway. I would rather have the autodialogue just run, that be presented with a dialogue wheel that has all "selections" lead essentially to the same line. I don't mind allowing the game to flow. Stopping the flow does not make me feel more in control of my character. Offering me more relevant choices does. I would rather they take up programming room offering me more of those relevant choices than in giving people "pacifier" buttons to press... but that's just me. ME1 didn't have such a "warning". But you could still skip past it like you could any other cinematic scene in the game. What was wrong with that? Rating mean a lot of things. XCOM: Enemy Unknown was rated M for "Blood and Gore, Violence, and Language" But all of that is rather tame (ME3 does not have a gore warning, despite being able to make enemies EXPLODE with a well-placed headshot) Link to the Ratings Summary Sheet for Mass Effect 1: www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=24562&Title=Mass+EffectThey weren't generating the more detailed summaries back then (i.e. the ratings system has changed a little since it was released); but there is clearly a warning on the box for "Partial Nudity" (which at that time meant you weren't going to see any nipples... and you didn't). Skip-able as it was, Liara's love scene was wildly criticized for pushing the boundaries of that rating at that time. It caused the game to be banned in China (I believe)... and I believe it played a role in bringing about some of the changes made to the system after that point. These are the current definitions of the descriptors for "Nudity" as opposed to "Partial Nudity." Nudity - Graphic or prolonged depictions of nudity
Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity Mass Effect 3's content descriptors do warn about "Blood" and the ratings summary clearly describes the nature of it: "Enemies sometimes emit splashes of blood when hit; some sequences depict bloodstained characters or environments. Cutscenes depict other instances of violence: an alien shooting herself in the head with a pistol; a character getting impaled by a creature's claws." The ratings system, of course, is not perfect because it's a subjective thing that a board of human beings decides. They can miss things during their reviews. As I said earlier, though, pressuring Bioware to make everything optional doesn't address the flaws in the system itself. You need to be taking those issues to the ESRB itself. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 17:43:06 GMT
The ratings system, of course, is not perfect because it's a subjective thing that a board of human beings decides. They can miss things during their reviews. As I said earlier, though, pressuring Bioware to make everything optional doesn't address the flaws in the system itself. You need to be taking those issues to the ESRB itself. And this isn't about making "everything" optional (I gotta love how quickly this stuff gets reducio ad absurdum-ed). This is about making particular scenes in already optional content skippable. Something THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE BEFORE IN SIMILAR SCENES |
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Post by Nashimura on Feb 7, 2017 17:52:22 GMT
Something I have done personally with DAI. Here is one way around it: Run the game in a window and at the "time" use window key and then click minimize. Bad thing is that only works in autonomous scenes. Should you the exact length then just time it by computer clock then un-minimize. In ones requiring input I again run in a window and at the "time" push the windows key. Then left click on the game window top boarder and drag the game window till only top bar shows. After that I just hit the number (1-6) for the responses. I hear the dialog but my eyes are not offended. Have not tried it in windowed full screen though... Again it all comes down to what a person wants and the content being optional. Easier solution... just tape a piece of paper to the top edge of your monitor and flip it down when the conversation starts and don't flip it back up until after it's done... or just use the rotate mechanism that's probably built right into that chair you're sitting in (i.e spin around for second and look at the wall behind you)... or just close your eyes (trust me, your ears still work). Or.... people could just grow up? Is that mean? But really... it's a human (well, most of the time) body, people need to get over it... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 17:52:44 GMT
The ratings system, of course, is not perfect because it's a subjective thing that a board of human beings decides. They can miss things during their reviews. As I said earlier, though, pressuring Bioware to make everything optional doesn't address the flaws in the system itself. You need to be taking those issues to the ESRB itself. And this isn't about making "everything" optional (I gotta love how quickly this stuff gets reducio ad absurdum-ed). This is about making particular scenes in already optional content skippable. Something THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE BEFORE IN SIMILAR SCENES However, what you want to skip may not be what I want to skip... so that translates to making it all able to be skipped... unless you think your sensibilities should typify the "standard" more than anyone else's sensibilities. The ESRB's job is to provide the warnings on the box and to make them as consistent and understandable as possible. They have made improvements over the years in that respect (the addition of the detailed summaries being one of them). I expect they'll continue to adjust the system as time goes by and society changes such that some things will likely become more acceptable and other things less acceptable. The warnings, however, are there on the box and are more explicitly described in the summaries. Just don't buy games that have warnings about things you find personally objectionable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 18:41:50 GMT
I'll make it clearer then... It's unreasonble to expect a game with a M rated Nudity warning on the box to not expose the player to some nudity or to basically "require" them to add in an optional filter for what is warned on the box. To answer your question... if I was suddenly presented with a button that said "sex scene coming up, do you want to skip it"... Yeah, I would object because that would totally break the flow of the game at that point. The rating tells me that I'm not going to see things like full frontal male genitalia because that would garner the game an AO rating. Anything I'm about to see would be within the tolerances provided by an M rating... and if I want more detail, I can always look up the Ratings Summary for that game before buying the game. I feel the same way about unnecessarily breaking up dialogue where no relevant choice is being offered anyway. I would rather have the autodialogue just run, that be presented with a dialogue wheel that has all "selections" lead essentially to the same line. I don't mind allowing the game to flow. Stopping the flow does not make me feel more in control of my character. Offering me more relevant choices does. I would rather they take up programming room offering me more of those relevant choices than in giving people "pacifier" buttons to press... but that's just me. Why it should work like that? ME had simply the option to turn down the sex scene, as certain romances in DAI, just with an option during the dialogue, not a popup message as you mention. I don't have the same stance of Iakus, but I don't see the problem with dialogue choices like those. I would consider an option for my PC to turn down sex as a "relevant choice." I repeat... I'm all for more (i.e. increased numbers of) relevant dialogue choices. I'm also not against being able to X-skip any cutscene. I suspect why it was removed in ME3 had more to do with limited program space on the old gen consoles than anything else... something that should not be an issue with Andromeda... so I honestly think we may see the return of that feature. That, however, does not address the idea of filtering objectionable material since most people would allow the scene to run through the first time they played because they simply wouldn't necessarily anticipate it. To be an effective objectionable content filter, it would have to provide the player with some sort of warning about what was to come. The other alternative is to have a global toggle for things (which some games do have the ability to turn off the blood). I would think though it would be a real tough thing to put into a story driven RPG... e.g. would it have to be a toggle that says "Block all romances arcs." Also, how much additional writing would be involved to make that happen... with the consequence of them having to eliminate other parts of the story or dialogue to make room for the "romanceless" alternative story line? |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 19:45:54 GMT
And this isn't about making "everything" optional (I gotta love how quickly this stuff gets reducio ad absurdum-ed). This is about making particular scenes in already optional content skippable. Something THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE BEFORE IN SIMILAR SCENES However, what you want to skip may not be what I want to skip... so that translates to making it all able to be skipped... unless you think your sensibilities should typify the "standard" more than anyone else's sensibilities. The ESRB's job is to provide the warnings on the box and to make them as consistent and understandable as possible. They have made improvements over the years in that respect (the addition of the detailed summaries being one of them). I expect they'll continue to adjust the system as time goes by and society changes such that some things will likely become more acceptable and other things less acceptable. The warnings, however, are there on the box and are more explicitly described in the summaries. Just don't buy games that have warnings about things you find personally objectionable. So why shouldn't all cinematics (save maybe a few critical path ones) be skippable? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 19:48:50 GMT
However, what you want to skip may not be what I want to skip... so that translates to making it all able to be skipped... unless you think your sensibilities should typify the "standard" more than anyone else's sensibilities. The ESRB's job is to provide the warnings on the box and to make them as consistent and understandable as possible. They have made improvements over the years in that respect (the addition of the detailed summaries being one of them). I expect they'll continue to adjust the system as time goes by and society changes such that some things will likely become more acceptable and other things less acceptable. The warnings, however, are there on the box and are more explicitly described in the summaries. Just don't buy games that have warnings about things you find personally objectionable. So why shouldn't all cinematics (save maybe a few critical path ones) be skippable? Maybe read my response to The Elder King (post just above yours). |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 20:03:40 GMT
Yeah I saw that after responding to your previous post. Oh, well, I'll let it stand.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 8, 2017 5:33:09 GMT
Easier solution... just tape a piece of paper to the top edge of your monitor and flip it down when the conversation starts and don't flip it back up until after it's done... or just use the rotate mechanism that's probably built right into that chair you're sitting in (i.e spin around for second and look at the wall behind you)... or just close your eyes (trust me, your ears still work). Or.... people could just grow up? Is that mean? But really... it's a human (well, most of the time) body, people need to get over it... As to the chair. I am sorry I can't for this happens: Yep. Spin+Plant. As to finding the human body offensive.... it may not offend most people but it can be to others especially if they have Asperger's Syndrome. Plus when you grow up with one it makes you more sensitive to their feelings and as it has with me -may influence your beliefs. My brother had this syndrome in spades but was contradictory still highly functional and social. However anytime anyone touched him or showed him images like someone in swimming shorts he would literally LOSE IT. Sometimes he would run screaming and turn a room to shambles. Other times he would just curl up on the floor arms around his legs rocking back and forth FOR HOURS UPON HOURS! One time he sat there by himself oblivious to the outside world -literally from 9 AM to midnight he sat there -how he did not defecate himself I still don't know. One time after the following incident -which yes did spurn professional help. He told me that if or when anyone touched him it felt as if the contact was like making contact with flowing lava...in his mind it literally felt like 4th degree BURNS! One thing I will say about my brother who despite this disorder loves to play video games. Bad thing is when my brother starts something the outside world completely disappears and I MEAN COMPLETELY. And yes what follows is my fault -I have made it my mission since not to let myself EVER forget  -thus part of my reason for standing on this as so: One weekend while he was visiting a friend of mine (who was made aware of the disorder) my brother began to play ME1... My friend apparently didn't understand however and thought the disorder was something akin to obsessive-compulsive-disorder -which it sounds similar to but is NOT and is what some Doctors' originally thought he had. Well to make an already long story short. He found the game shortcut on my friends computer desktop and began to play ME1. He saw the rating but thought it was for as you say violence and language not the other. He played using one of my friends' saves and played to the Liara scene in ME1. My brother still says all he remembers at that point is blacking out. Of course I surmised what happened -my brother lost it. My friend called and said that my brother and turned the whole lower house inside out. Furniture was up ended -even the legs of one chair were ripped out -my brother has quite the muscle. Windows broken. Kitchen a-strewn. TV and computer both broken. And many other things as well still don't know why but he tried to flush the shower curtain as well. Of course we paid for the damages. But it did prompt both of our families to ere on the side of caution there after. My brother told me that what he had played of the game he liked. I told him there was a way around what had happened and he was all to eager to play again as long as I guided him past it. Not everyone fits the same criteria. And in such cases the optional can actually be beneficial to everyone not to mention save a lot of money. I know someone will disagree. So go ahead and rip a new one. |
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Post by Nashimura on Feb 8, 2017 7:47:35 GMT
Or.... people could just grow up? Is that mean? But really... it's a human (well, most of the time) body, people need to get over it... As to the chair. I am sorry I can't for this happens: Yep. Spin+Plant. As to finding the human body offensive.... it may not offend most people but it can be to others especially if they have Asperger's Syndrome. Plus when you grow up with one it makes you more sensitive to their feelings and as it has with me -may influence your beliefs. My brother had this syndrome in spades but was contradictory still highly functional and social. However anytime anyone touched him or showed him images like someone in swimming shorts he would literally LOSE IT. Sometimes he would run screaming and turn a room to shambles. Other times he would just curl up on the floor arms around his legs rocking back and forth FOR HOURS UPON HOURS! One time he sat there by himself oblivious to the outside world -literally from 9 AM to midnight he sat there -how he did not defecate himself I still don't know. One time after the following incident -which yes did spurn professional help. He told me that if or when anyone touched him it felt as if the contact was like making contact with flowing lava...in his mind it literally felt like 4th degree BURNS! One thing I will say about my brother who despite this disorder loves to play video games. Bad thing is when my brother starts something the outside world completely disappears and I MEAN COMPLETELY. And yes what follows is my fault -I have made it my mission since not to let myself EVER forget -thus part of my reason for standing on this as so: One weekend while he was visiting a friend of mine (who was made aware of the disorder) my brother began to play ME1... My friend apparently didn't understand however and thought the disorder was something akin to obsessive-compulsive-disorder -which it sounds similar to but is NOT and is what some Doctors' originally thought he had. Well to make an already long story short. He found the game shortcut on my friends computer desktop and began to play ME1. He saw the rating but thought it was for as you say violence and language not the other. He played using one of my friends' saves and played to the Liara scene in ME1. My brother still says all he remembers at that point is blacking out. Of course I surmised what happened -my brother lost it. My friend called and said that my brother and turned the whole lower house inside out. Furniture was up ended -even the legs of one chair were ripped out -my brother has quite the muscle. Windows broken. Kitchen a-strewn. TV and computer both broken. And many other things as well still don't know why but he tried to flush the shower curtain as well. Of course we paid for the damages. But it did prompt both of our families to ere on the side of caution there after. My brother told me that what he had played of the game he liked. I told him there was a way around what had happened and he was all to eager to play again as long as I guided him past it. Not everyone fits the same criteria. And in such cases the optional can actually be beneficial to everyone not to mention save a lot of money. I know someone will disagree. So go ahead and rip a new one. I am familiar with Asperger's, trust me... this also sounds harsh, but you can't alter the world for them, it's on them and the people around them to shield them from it, certainly for these isolated cases, if he reacts like that to it, then maybe he needs to be more careful what he plays, as you say, its optional, easily avoidable if you just don't select the options that lead to the scene... you can deny that scene right up until it plays. Asperger's is... not curable as such, but really improvable... my advice, for what ever the fuck that is worth, is that locking away things that cause such distress ain't helping, you have to desensitize them... slowly, is he any better now? Asperger's often improves with age. |
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