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Post by Psychevore on Feb 23, 2017 20:39:45 GMT
Look man, if we need an adult rating for this game to avoid the awkwardness of underwear in the shower, then an adult rating is what we need.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 20:40:04 GMT
These games have 1 kajillion times more violence than the sex and nudity, thus if anyone is upset at ratings then that is what should be focused on, not the terrible evils of showing a tit or an ass. That's not what I was saying, there's no need to wildly extrapolate and miscontrue what I was saying.
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Post by wolfsite on Feb 23, 2017 20:43:15 GMT
So you are complaining and speculating about something that could be in the game or assuming it will be bad because it is in the game, congratulations you are a proud member of the BSN forums..... I'm going to get a sandwich..... with some cheese.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 20:47:24 GMT
You really think "strong sexual themes" and "nudity" means the overall story and depth of the game will suffer? Not only is your premise ridiculous simply because you are basing it off of the ESRB rating, but The Witcher 3 had strong sexual themes, nudity, and an amazing story with memorable characters. Why not have your cake and eat it too? I'm not seeing your problem here. Some people keep saying that but can't seem to say what the story of Witcher 3 was about just top of mind. It had good writing, but I good story? no , those are two different things. Yes the Witcher had strong sexual content and alot were gratuitous and cringeworthy but it fit with what had already been established within the witcher world. I see no reason why Mass Effect should be the Witcher.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 23, 2017 20:48:09 GMT
It's not the sex scenes that the problem we already had them in the trilogy. It's the full on nudity and the gratuity of it all that sometimes feels condescending are shoehorned. I know romance are skippable but the are often the only way to the to know your squadmates which is what I enjoy the most about Mass Effect among many thing. The sad part is when all of that is mired with alot of nonsense like in parts of Inquisition. But I hope your right. Again, this is not an argument. I'm not sure it's possible for you to make one, since all you seem to have here are feelings. I suppose you could talk about the feelings, though. What triggers your feeling of "condescension"?
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Post by Alien Fodder on Feb 23, 2017 20:49:05 GMT
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, shall we? Those ratings make a lot of games look a lot worse than they actually are. Same thing for TV shows, actually. I chuckle every time I see a warning about "scenes of violence and corse language" on some tame TV shows. I mean, really? I have a feeling it's going to be the same with MEA. Gore? What gore? This ain't Doom or Resident Evil for cryin' out loud... As for sex, well I sincerely doubt it'll be anything to get all riled up about either.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 20:51:01 GMT
Nope, what is logic breaking is people valiantly humping away through layers of cloth, and otherwise sensible adults showering in their underwear. Fade to black or get your kit off. I agree with the underwear part I think they could have just shown the back and it would have been fine. Partial nudity and clever cinematic camera work like Liaras and Ashleys scenes were very tasteful.
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Post by wolfsite on Feb 23, 2017 20:51:26 GMT
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here' shall we? You are aware that this is the BSN right?
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 23, 2017 20:53:59 GMT
Got to disagree, glad it sounds like they are going to act in a mature manner.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 20:57:22 GMT
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here' shall we? Those ratings make a lot of games look a lot worse than they actually are. Same thing for TV shows, actually. I chuckle every time I see a warning about "scenes of violence and corse language" on some tame TV shows. I mean, really? I have a feeling it's going to be the same with MEA. Gore? What gore? This ain't Doom or Resident Evil for cryin' out loud... As for sex, well I sincerely doubt it'll be anything to get all riled up about either. Hope you're right.
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 23, 2017 20:57:28 GMT
Okay back to the under wear love scenes we do not want 'gratuitous' nudity!
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Post by Alien Fodder on Feb 23, 2017 21:04:32 GMT
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here' shall we? You are aware that this is the BSN right? LOL! Well played, sir...
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 21:07:58 GMT
It's not the sex scenes that the problem we already had them in the trilogy. It's the full on nudity and the gratuity of it all that sometimes feels condescending are shoehorned. I know romance are skippable but the are often the only way to the to know your squadmates which is what I enjoy the most about Mass Effect among many thing. The sad part is when all of that is mired with alot of nonsense like in parts of Inquisition. But I hope your right. Again, this is not an argument. I'm not sure it's possible for you to make one, since all you seem to have here are feelings. I suppose you could talk about the feelings, though. What triggers your feeling of "condescension"? Yes. I'm a human being that likes things; and those things makes me have feelings, which is sometimes write about with my freedom of speech and expression. The person without a point here is you, since you seem to believe that I owe you something more.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 23, 2017 21:08:19 GMT
You really think "strong sexual themes" and "nudity" means the overall story and depth of the game will suffer? Not only is your premise ridiculous simply because you are basing it off of the ESRB rating, but The Witcher 3 had strong sexual themes, nudity, and an amazing story with memorable characters. Why not have your cake and eat it too? I'm not seeing your problem here. Some people keep saying that but can't seem to say what the story of Witcher 3 was about just top of mind. It had good writing, but I good story? no , those are two different things. Yes the Witcher had strong sexual content and alot were gratuitous and cringeworthy but it fit with what had already been established within the witcher world. I see no reason why Mass Effect should be the Witcher. What was not good about the story? There are a lot of great moments, from the battle at Kaer Morhen, Geralt vs Imlerith, the entire subplot at Novigrad, the relationships and chemistry between all of the major characters (Geralt, Triss, Yennefer, Ciri, Dandelion, Zoltan, etc.), to just being a Witcher and exploring the world leisurely. I haven't even mentioned both expansions, which provide even more great storytelling and characters. You are the first person I've ever met who actually claims the story in The Witcher 3 is not good. Mass Effect always had nudity, just not full frontal nudity. We had side boob in ME1. BioWare got criticized by Fox News and put underwear on everybody in ME2 and ME3 (besides Liara). BioWare is pushing boundaries again, largely because of CDPR with The Witcher. I don't see what's wrong with showing nudity if it's done in a tasteful and meaningful way. Whether it's "cringeworthy" or "gratuitous" is largely a matter of opinion.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 21:09:27 GMT
Okay back to the under wear love scenes we do not want 'gratuitous' nudity! It's not an either or situation.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 23, 2017 21:22:49 GMT
It's one thing if you think the overall tone is broken by things like this, but "internal logic" is not a valid point when the Mass Effect universe is essentially a representation of the future of our own, and our own is way harsher and more explicit all the time.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 23, 2017 21:24:24 GMT
Again, this is not an argument. I'm not sure it's possible for you to make one, since all you seem to have here are feelings. I suppose you could talk about the feelings, though. What triggers your feeling of "condescension"? Yes. I'm a human being that likes things; and those things makes me have feelings, which is sometimes write about with my freedom of speech and expression. The person without a point here is you, since you seem to believe that I owe you something more. So the only point to this thread is that Darth_Atreyu doesn't like nudity? OK. You've said what you don't like. (Just to make my position clear, I think that catering to your tastes would make games worse, not better.) Since you don't want to talk about why you have your feelings, is there anything left to discuss?
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 23, 2017 21:28:17 GMT
Stop pushing your hedonistic agenda alan. Theres a space barn needs raisin. Anything else wouldst be idle, English.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 23, 2017 21:28:28 GMT
According to that poll in the other thread about BioWare sex scenes, 67% of voters would disagree with you OP.
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Post by bshep on Feb 23, 2017 21:30:47 GMT
Some people keep saying that but can't seem to say what the story of Witcher 3 was about just top of mind. It had good writing, but I good story? no , those are two different things. Yes the Witcher had strong sexual content and alot were gratuitous and cringeworthy but it fit with what had already been established within the witcher world. I see no reason why Mass Effect should be the Witcher. What was not good about the story? There are a lot of great moments, from the battle at Kaer Morhen, Geralt vs Imlerith, the entire subplot at Novigrad, the relationships and chemistry between all of the major characters (Geralt, Triss, Yennefer, Ciri, Dandelion, Zoltan, etc.), to just being a Witcher and exploring the world leisurely. I haven't even mentioned both expansions, which provide even more great storytelling and characters. You are the first person I've ever met who actually claims the story in The Witcher 3 is not good. Mass Effect always had nudity, just not full frontal nudity. We had side boob in ME1. BioWare got criticized by Fox News and put underwear on everybody in ME2 and ME3 (besides Liara). BioWare is pushing boundaries again, largely because of CDPR with The Witcher. I don't see what's wrong with showing nudity if it's done in a tasteful and meaningful way. Whether it's "cringeworthy" or "gratuitous" is largely a matter of opinion. I like this human he understand!
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 21:35:07 GMT
Some people keep saying that but can't seem to say what the story of Witcher 3 was about just top of mind. It had good writing, but I good story? no , those are two different things. Yes the Witcher had strong sexual content and alot were gratuitous and cringeworthy but it fit with what had already been established within the witcher world. I see no reason why Mass Effect should be the Witcher. What was not good about the story? There are a lot of great moments, from the battle at Kaer Morhen, Geralt vs Imlerith, the entire subplot at Novigrad, the relationships and chemistry between all of the major characters (Geralt, Triss, Yennefer, Ciri, Dandelion, Zoltan, etc.), to just being a Witcher and exploring the world leisurely. I haven't even mentioned both expansions, which provide even more great storytelling and characters. You are the first person I've ever met who actually claims the story in The Witcher 3 is not good. Mass Effect always had nudity, just not full frontal nudity. We had side boob in ME1. BioWare got criticized by Fox News and put underwear on everybody in ME2 and ME3 (besides Liara). BioWare is pushing boundaries again, largely because of CDPR with The Witcher. I don't see what's wrong with showing nudity if it's done in a tasteful and meaningful way. Whether it's "cringeworthy" or "gratuitous" is largely a matter of opinion. I was refering to the overarching story in the Witcher 3, which people seems to not want to talk about, not the characters or sidequests. Yes Mass Effect always had nudity and they were largely done very well, minus the shower stuff. And the Fox News nonsense was just embarrasing they didn't even know what they were talking about. But having more explicit sex and nudity is not breaking any ground but rather a devolving spiral were games sometimes get into when they want to appear more adult, which is to put more sex and gore. There is no real boundary that's being pushed but rather an overdone formula of just adding more sex to everything when creativity falters.
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Post by Darth_Atreyu on Feb 23, 2017 21:36:37 GMT
I just saw the rating for Andromeda and it confirmed what I was worried they would do, Which is to fall into the same trap that many anticipated entertainment productions do, which is to overdo everything that frankly detracts from the central experience like more gore and morbid violence to hide lack of suspence and story telling, more sex to appeal to base instincts instead of challenging the audiences intellects. The Mass effect Trilogy had some really excellent intimate and disarming moments, like in Mass Effect 3 right before the final battle and the scene with Liara. Don't missunderstand me the trilogy had some bad elements also but Bioware already had some very good template of what were good in the trilogy. I honestly hope I've the wrong impression, but it doesn't look like that's the case considering the previews for Andromeda are very mixed regarding the quality of the game. And they seem to be making - Inquisition in space - along with it's cringeworthy explicit nude scenes. I just don't think explicit nudity works in what's already been established within the Mass Effect universe. Things like this breaks the internal logic and workings of the established universe in favor and t'n'a. I've been waiting for this game for almost 5 years now, soaking up every tidbit along they way; even considering the fact that they've shown the game only very sparsely, and only recently with only weeks until release. Yet the more I see of this game the less excited I become to play it. Nobody cares. That's factually incorrect since I made thread about it.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Feb 23, 2017 21:37:15 GMT
I'm not adverse to a little titillation in my popular entertainment. More generally, sex sells.
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