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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 21:52:38 GMT
Fabulous! I for one like my adult games to be adult, without pushing it too far like TW2. DAI was perfect for me, swearing at the appropriate moments and occasional OPTIONAL boobs. Just as it should be imo, the day the politically correct police influence these things in BioWare games will be a sad one. Im not sure why you would think that the 'pc police' want to censor nudity or coarse language. In my experience it's the anti-pc crowd that tends to be the most socially conservative. I just think it's sad that we've created this weird culture in media where boobs are taboo but blowing an enemy's head off with a rifle is ar for the course. Huh? Oh yeah I think you're right...what did I mean to say then....ack you know what I mean.  As for your second statement, that's America's views in a nutshell. So puritanical about the human body but horrendous violence is fine. I for one would rather my child saw a naked lady than a fully clothed one being sliced to pieces. Well, America's media, the people probably have vastly different opinions depending on which part of the States they're from. |
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 5, 2017 22:17:37 GMT
Im not sure why you would think that the 'pc police' want to censor nudity or coarse language. In my experience it's the anti-pc crowd that tends to be the most socially conservative. I just think it's sad that we've created this weird culture in media where boobs are taboo but blowing an enemy's head off with a rifle is ar for the course. Huh? Oh yeah I think you're right...what did I mean to say then....ack you know what I mean. As for your second statement, that's America's views in a nutshell. So puritanical about the human body but horrendous violence is fine. I for one would rather my child saw a naked lady than a fully clothed one being sliced to pieces. Well, America's media, the people probably have vastly different opinions depending on which part of the States they're from. Sorry I was a bit confused! I'm not American but that's the perception I get. There is a real cultural divide between the progressive and conservative regions. I suppose that's true in most places but it seems to be pretty acute in the US. Bewbs b4 blood. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 6, 2017 6:03:09 GMT
Apparently. I have to say that as a European I'm sitting here like this  It makes no sense to me to come to a gaming franchise and complain about things that have always been a part of it. DAO had awkward sex scenes as did ME1, ME1 had drug taking and they both have swearing in various languages. To then say that they don't want these things in the new ME is stupid, it's already an established part of the games. To quote Cassandra, they're standing in the fire then complaining that it's hot. I couldn't agree more. Everyone should just play what they like rather than try and change something that someone else likes. If someone doesn't want sex, swearing, and other "darker" things in their games then they should just play something that doesn't have them, rather than try and remove them from Mass Effect. NOW LET ME BE CLEAR: This point has been misconstrued into a landslide of hearsay saying that we want it gone and are complaining that it is not. Well I intend to rectify this right here right now: You want it in and it is in. We want to avoid but for the story at least -I want to play. How can these two views meet: SIMPLE: All the content in question is OPTIONAL.Want to participate? Ok. Want to avoid? Ok. Still want to play? Ok. Topic done. Also in relation to the tidbit about playing games I like...
I have found it hard to find equivalent top-notch science fiction RPG's for PC with a lesser rating.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2017 14:17:19 GMT
Are there actually people against the nudity and swearing in games nowadays that aren't just the old Fox News crowd? Honestly shouldn't surprise me, people will find reasons to be upset over anything.  I also think they've pushed things passed the boundaries of good taste in recent years |
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I couldn't agree more. Everyone should just play what they like rather than try and change something that someone else likes. If someone doesn't want sex, swearing, and other "darker" things in their games then they should just play something that doesn't have them, rather than try and remove them from Mass Effect. NOW LET ME BE CLEAR: This point has been misconstrued into a landslide of hearsay saying that we want it gone and are complaining that it is not. Well I intend to rectify this right here right now: You want it in and it is in. We want to avoid but for the story at least -I want to play. How can these two views meet: SIMPLE: All the content in question is OPTIONAL.Want to participate? Ok. Want to avoid? Ok. Still want to play? Ok. Topic done. Also in relation to the tidbit about playing games I like...
I have found it hard to find equivalent top-notch science fiction RPG's for PC with a lesser rating.
If you know of ones for PC please direct me.
I agree... a rating is merely that... a rating. It gives people a chance to READ THE LABEL before deciding to buy the game or not. People should just use the ratings as the gauge it is intended to be. If M games are not spicy enough for them, they should maybe buy AO games. If M games are too much for them, they should stick to the E ones. Simple. If they want to see further refinements to the ratings systems, they should take it up with the ratings board in their respective countries. |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 6, 2017 21:53:00 GMT
I also think they've pushed things passed the boundaries of good taste in recent years May I ask how exactly they've " pushed things passed the boundaries of good taste". If you mean just Bioware all they have in that department is occasional, not over the top swearing and tasteful (in my opinion) nudity. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2017 22:00:40 GMT
I also think they've pushed things passed the boundaries of good taste in recent years May I ask how exactly they've " pushed things passed the boundaries of good taste". If you mean just Bioware all they have in that department is occasional, not over the top swearing and tasteful (in my opinion) nudity. There's also the huge fountains of blood in the Dragon Age series (thankfully, there's a toggle for that) and the Ludicrous Gibs in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age when extreme damage is done (ie, a headshot with a sniper round causing the entire body to explode) And yes, it's your opinion that the nudity is tasteful. I find it to be pointless titillation to show off how edgy the game has become. The language is less a problem for me personally, though yeah, Jack definitely took it to eleven. All too often "M" simply means "riding the Game of Thrones bandwagon" rather than actually being mature: taking subject material and dealing with it in a grownup fashion. |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 6, 2017 22:08:45 GMT
May I ask how exactly they've " pushed things passed the boundaries of good taste". If you mean just Bioware all they have in that department is occasional, not over the top swearing and tasteful (in my opinion) nudity. There's also the huge fountains of blood in the Dragon Age series (thankfully, there's a toggle for that) and the Ludicrous Gibs in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age when extreme damage is done (ie, a headshot with a sniper round causing the entire body to explode) And yes, it's your opinion that the nudity is tasteful. I find it to be pointless titillation to show off how edgy the game has become. The language is less a problem for me personally, though yeah, Jack definitely took it to eleven. All too often "M" simply means "riding the Game of Thrones bandwagon" rather than actually being mature: taking subject material and dealing with it in a grownup fashion. I don't play Dragon Age, so I wouldn't know about the blood. But I do remember heads exploding in Mass Effect, not sure about whole bodies. I don't really think the nudity is to be "edgy". In real life people have stuff under their clothes, you are going to see something if they aren't wearing clothes. Showering in their underwear is just stupid. Jack definitely swore a lot, but it suited her character. It was a defense mechanism. A lot of people swear a lot when they are uncomfortable about something. I agree with that last bit about things going overboard with "maturity" and trying to emulate Game of Thrones, I just don't feel like Mass Effect is one of the offenders. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2017 22:17:54 GMT
There's also the huge fountains of blood in the Dragon Age series (thankfully, there's a toggle for that) and the Ludicrous Gibs in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age when extreme damage is done (ie, a headshot with a sniper round causing the entire body to explode) And yes, it's your opinion that the nudity is tasteful. I find it to be pointless titillation to show off how edgy the game has become. The language is less a problem for me personally, though yeah, Jack definitely took it to eleven. All too often "M" simply means "riding the Game of Thrones bandwagon" rather than actually being mature: taking subject material and dealing with it in a grownup fashion. I don't play Dragon Age, so I wouldn't know about the blood. But I do remember heads exploding in Mass Effect, not sure about whole bodies. I don't really think the nudity is to be "edgy". In real life people have stuff under their clothes, you are going to see something if they aren't wearing clothes. Showering in their underwear is just stupid. Jack definitely swore a lot, but it suited her character. It was a defense mechanism. A lot of people swear a lot when they are uncomfortable about something. I agree with that last bit about things going overboard with "maturity" and trying to emulate Game of Thrones, I just don't feel like Mass Effect is one of the offenders. Dragon Age literally has a "gore toggle" In the first game you could tell your dog companion to lick blood off your character (and gets healed for it). My preferred class in Mass Effect was sniper. I saw plenty of Cerberus goons flying apart in explosions of red. And in real life people keep their clothes on in public. Yes, showering in underwear is stupid, but watching people do a scene naked is too much like voyeurism. As I said, she took it up to eleven. After a certain point it stops being understandable and just gets annoying. She's the one character I'd probably refuse to bring onboard if I had the choice. |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 6, 2017 22:22:16 GMT
I don't play Dragon Age, so I wouldn't know about the blood. But I do remember heads exploding in Mass Effect, not sure about whole bodies. I don't really think the nudity is to be "edgy". In real life people have stuff under their clothes, you are going to see something if they aren't wearing clothes. Showering in their underwear is just stupid. Jack definitely swore a lot, but it suited her character. It was a defense mechanism. A lot of people swear a lot when they are uncomfortable about something. I agree with that last bit about things going overboard with "maturity" and trying to emulate Game of Thrones, I just don't feel like Mass Effect is one of the offenders. Dragon Age literally has a "gore toggle" In the first game you could tell your dog companion to lick blood off your character (and gets healed for it). My preferred class in Mass Effect was sniper. I saw plenty of Cerberus goons flying apart in explosions of red. And in real life people keep their clothes on in public. Yes, showering in underwear is stupid, but watching people do a scene naked is too much like voyeurism. As I said, she took it up to eleven. After a certain point it stops being understandable and just gets annoying. She's the one character I'd probably refuse to bring onboard if I had the choice. It's been a while since I was a sniper, so you're probably right. And it's not like they just walk around town nude. It's only in moments where it makes sense that they would be nude, like before or after sex. I agree that Jack's swearing was kind of annoying, but it was part of her character. If everything character spoke like that it'd get annoying real quick. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2017 22:25:16 GMT
And it's not like they just walk around town nude. It's only in moments where it makes sense that they would be nude, like before or after sex. Again, an extremely awkward moment to witness. Edit: ME1 did it right in that for the sex scene you could: Watch it happen Hit a button and skip past it Turn down sex, and the romance still completes and locks in Thus why she spent most of ME2 hanging out in the hold.[/quote] |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 6, 2017 22:28:38 GMT
And it's not like they just walk around town nude. It's only in moments where it makes sense that they would be nude, like before or after sex. Again, an extremely awkward moment to witness. Edit: ME1 did it right in that for the sex scene you could: Watch it happen Hit a button and skip past it Turn down sex, and the romance still completes and locks in Thus why she spent most of ME2 hanging out in the hold. [/quote] I don't think it's awkward, but I guess I'm just more comfortable with nudity than you are. Also, I talk to Jack in ME2, but I'm not the biggest fan of her in that game. She becomes awesome in ME3 though. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2017 22:29:53 GMT
And it's not like they just walk around town nude. It's only in moments where it makes sense that they would be nude, like before or after sex. Again, an extremely awkward moment to witness. Edit: ME1 did it right in that for the sex scene you could: Watch it happen Hit a button and skip past it Turn down sex, and the romance still completes and locks in This is not relevant to the the actual nudity in the scene though. Those options might still be in regardless if the scene is like DAO, ME, or fully nude. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2017 22:33:12 GMT
Again, an extremely awkward moment to witness. Edit: ME1 did it right in that for the sex scene you could: Watch it happen Hit a button and skip past it Turn down sex, and the romance still completes and locks in This is not relevant to the the actual nudity in the scene though. Those options might still be in regardless if the scene is like DAO, ME, or fully nude. They might. Or might not. In DAI, the Josephine and Solas romances didn't have any nudity at all. BlackWall and Dorian's had the option for it (you could turn down sex and still complete the romance) But all the others forced nudity into the scenes. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2017 22:34:54 GMT
This is not relevant to the the actual nudity in the scene though. Those options might still be in regardless if the scene is like DAO, ME, or fully nude. They might. Or might not. In DAI, the Josephine and Solas romances didn't have any nudity at all. BlackWall and Dorian's had the option for it (you could turn down sex and still complete the romance) But all the others forced nudity into the scenes. I meant that based on your quote your problem isn't (necessarily) with nudity being present, but not being able to lock the romance without sex and the lack of skip of the scene. |
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Post by Iakus on Feb 6, 2017 22:37:08 GMT
They might. Or might not. In DAI, the Josephine and Solas romances didn't have any nudity at all. BlackWall and Dorian's had the option for it (you could turn down sex and still complete the romance) But all the others forced nudity into the scenes. I meant that based on your quote your problem isn't (necessarily) with nudity being present, but not being able to lock the romance without sex and the lack of skip of the scene. I fully acknowledge that my tastes are my own, and others may have different tolerances. However, I also think that if Bioware intends to cater to a larger audience, it should provide more options for the audience. |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 6, 2017 22:40:00 GMT
I meant that based on your quote your problem isn't (necessarily) with nudity being present, but not being able to lock the romance without sex and the lack of skip of the scene. I fully acknowledge that my tastes are my own, and others may have different tolerances. However, I also think that if Bioware intends to cater to a larger audience, it should provide more options for the audience. Maybe they could just have a nudity toggle for anyone who doesn't want nudity for some reason. I guess everyone has different tastes  . |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2017 22:40:05 GMT
I meant that based on your quote your problem isn't (necessarily) with nudity being present, but not being able to lock the romance without sex and the lack of skip of the scene. I fully acknowledge that my tastes are my own, and others may have different tolerances. However, I also think that if Bioware intends to cater to a larger audience, it should provide more options for the audience. I agree with that, although the problem is that, while it seems they're creating different types of romances for Andromeda, it would still lead to disappointment for some because the character they want to romance might not fit their tastes in terms of romance path/sex scene. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2017 22:41:20 GMT
I fully acknowledge that my tastes are my own, and others may have different tolerances. However, I also think that if Bioware intends to cater to a larger audience, it should provide more options for the audience. Maybe they could just have a nudity toggle for anyone who doesn't want nudity for some reason. I guess everyone has different tastes . Well, as Iakus said they included romances where sex scenes are optional. Some will be present in Andromeda as well, based on what they said. I don't think they like much the ideal of toggles in this regard. |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 6, 2017 22:44:19 GMT
Maybe they could just have a nudity toggle for anyone who doesn't want nudity for some reason. I guess everyone has different tastes . Well, as Iakus said they included romances where sex scenes are optional. Some will be present in Andromeda as well, based on what they said. I don't think they like much the ideal of toggles in this regard. I'd imagine that some people would want the dialogue that comes from the sex scenes though. You might miss out on something bonding between them if they just don't do the sex scene. I'm sure they'll probably just go with the optional sex scenes though. |
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 6, 2017 22:47:27 GMT
Maybe they could just have a nudity toggle for anyone who doesn't want nudity for some reason. I guess everyone has different tastes . Well, as Iakus said they included romances where sex scenes are optional. Some will be present in Andromeda as well, based on what they said. I don't think they like much the ideal of toggles in this regard. Which is weird. The scenes exist as cutscenes. They've already had the option to skip cutscenes in the past. Seems a no brainer to extend that option to sex scenes. Nudity doesn't offend my sensibilities at all, but I can't imagine the process of making a scene skipable is so demanding as to not be worth a dev's time. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 6, 2017 22:50:01 GMT
Well, as Iakus said they included romances where sex scenes are optional. Some will be present in Andromeda as well, based on what they said. I don't think they like much the ideal of toggles in this regard. I'd imagine that some people would want the dialogue that comes from the sex scenes though. You might miss out on something bonding between them if they just don't do the sex scene. I'm sure they'll probably just go with the optional sex scenes though. Well, as Iakus said they included romances where sex scenes are optional. Some will be present in Andromeda as well, based on what they said. I don't think they like much the ideal of toggles in this regard. Which is weird. The scenes exist as cutscenes. They've already had the option to skip cutscenes in the past. Seems a no brainer to extend that option to sex scenes. Nudity doesn't offend my sensibilities at all, but I can't imagine the process of making a scene skipable is so demanding as to not be worth a dev's time. Wait, I do think they might include the option to skip. With toggle I meant something in the option menu that let you skip it by default. |
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Post by Spooch on Feb 6, 2017 23:01:21 GMT
I'd imagine that some people would want the dialogue that comes from the sex scenes though. You might miss out on something bonding between them if they just don't do the sex scene. I'm sure they'll probably just go with the optional sex scenes though. Which is weird. The scenes exist as cutscenes. They've already had the option to skip cutscenes in the past. Seems a no brainer to extend that option to sex scenes. Nudity doesn't offend my sensibilities at all, but I can't imagine the process of making a scene skipable is so demanding as to not be worth a dev's time. Wait, I do think they might include the option to skip. With toggle I meant something in the option menu that let you skip it by default. When I was thinking toggle I was just thinking they'd be wearing underwear instead of being nude. More like the ME2 and ME3 scenes. If the toggle is off they'd just be naked. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 23:36:28 GMT
May I ask how exactly they've " pushed things passed the boundaries of good taste". If you mean just Bioware all they have in that department is occasional, not over the top swearing and tasteful (in my opinion) nudity. There's also the huge fountains of blood in the Dragon Age series (thankfully, there's a toggle for that) and the Ludicrous Gibs in both Mass Effect and Dragon Age when extreme damage is done (ie, a headshot with a sniper round causing the entire body to explode) And yes, it's your opinion that the nudity is tasteful. I find it to be pointless titillation to show off how edgy the game has become. The language is less a problem for me personally, though yeah, Jack definitely took it to eleven. All too often "M" simply means "riding the Game of Thrones bandwagon" rather than actually being mature: taking subject material and dealing with it in a grownup fashion. "M" is a rating... has nothing to do with "riding the Game of Thrones bandwagon" or with "taking subject material and dealing with it in a grownup fashion." If that's what you think the "M" on the box means, you need to go to the ESRB website and get the actual definition and criteria for that rating. If the rating information on the box is insufficient for you, you can even consult the more detailed "ratings summary" on the ESRB website: www.esrb.org/ratingsummaries/The solution here is for people to read about the rating BEFORE buying the game rather than continually expecting the game to be something other than what the rating reflects it to be. If you look up Mass Effect 2, for example, you will clearly see that all that blood and gore is expressly described in its summary. |
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