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Post by PenDev0us on May 19, 2017 20:29:30 GMT
BTW, Jaal could stand to use a better whitening tooth paste and mouthwash. OOOOOOOOOOOH SHOTS FIRED! edit: btw the face looks way different on mobile than on desktop. On mobile it looks more pissed off than mischievous... :/
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Post by fadburger on May 19, 2017 20:30:19 GMT
I used to actually think he was one and just good at pretending, but he blows it the moment he confesses Evfra wanted him to be cautious. As soon as Jaal admitted he was no good at being cautious, he wouldn't talk to me for a while, since he knew that was the only way he could keep from talking too much. He really isn't cut out for spy work at all, if he has to talk to someone. BTW, Jaal could stand to use a better whitening tooth paste and mouthwash. And floss lol. Angaran teeth are an...interesting design choice to be sure.
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Post by fadburger on May 19, 2017 20:33:47 GMT
Too much wish-fulfillment not enough character exploration... Well, my fanfiction will remain refreshingly feminist at all times, no fear. Yours have definitely been very good so far
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Post by yeah rip on May 19, 2017 20:38:16 GMT
Pretty sure his teeth are an oversight, lol. Given how much of a neat freak he is about everything else, I'd say he would definitely keep his teeth perfect too.
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Post by kestrel on May 19, 2017 20:40:37 GMT
Well, my fanfiction will remain refreshingly feminist at all times, no fear. Yours have definitely been very good so far Well, someone has to challenge the status quo that's remained all too popular in male dominated and male helmed media. But I could go on and on about it.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 19, 2017 20:47:44 GMT
So just a little personal update I'd like you all to read: First off, my sickness is over. Second, it seems I'm the source of all the drama here and if you don't want me in this thread anymore to keep things peaceful, I can go at anytime. You all matter to me and don't deserve being dragged into things that happened. If any of you don't like me anymore, I don't blame you. All I can do is say I'm sorry for everything and hope I can be forgiven someday. I'm glad you're feeling better! As to the rest - don't go, you keep confusing me with all your new tags! But seriously, just don't let negativity provoke you, it's never as bad as it seems on first glance - you contribute a lot of awesome stuff to this thread, remember that and let that be what really matters when these issues come up, you're not alone here. Meh, I could do without the 'treat a woman like a princess' narrative and go for a 'Jaal takes you to the shooting range or helps you create your own modified rifle' instead. I have to say, I personally long for this kind of old-fashioned "princess" romance, it seems to be all but extinct in modern media, and video games especially. I do kinda get why that is and even agree with it and the new, more equal approach to some extent, but I'd still like to have the option to go for this kind of relationship. Not sure if I'm getting my point across here, but what I mean is that while I very much enjoy playing badass ladies, I may still prefer to be able to have a romantic storyline where the man takes the initiative and dotes on my character, and where she can in turn act like a lady and not immediately one-up him on everything he does to impress her cause "modern sensibilities!". It's just my personal preference tho. So just a little personal update I'd like you all to read: First off, my sickness is over. Second, it seems I'm the source of all the drama here and if you don't want me in this thread anymore to keep things peaceful, I can go at anytime. You all matter to me and don't deserve being dragged into things that happened. If any of you don't like me anymore, I don't blame you. All I can do is say I'm sorry for everything and hope I can be forgiven someday. Don't go, Lady C! It's not you. If anything, it's other people targeting you. My personal opinion is that it's best to ignore bait posts, and even posts with legitimate opinions that are nevertheless obviously inflammatory. I do believe there are some issues with MEA, but those should be discussed in dedicated threads (of which there are plenty) and nothing excuses attacking posters for enjoying aspects of the game that someone else finds unsatisfying. So I say - don't give in, keep liking what the game offers and ignore the haters. If you don't feel comfortable you can leave of course, but only for your own comfort. There's absolutely nothing to forgive! Exactly this! I am more than annoyed at stereotypical princess stories, but at the same time I truly enjoy a traditional gentleman. I'm all for equality and female badassery, but honestly, do the two have to be mutually exclusive? I enjoy this romance so much partly because it's not black-and-white either you're a princess barbie doll or the independent warrior woman, Ryder is a little bit of both and why the hell not. Same as IRL, I don't get offended over things like a man holding the door for me, in my book that's called politeness, not gender discrimination. I'll stop ranting now. I didn't have coffee yet, OK... *runs away*
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2017 20:56:47 GMT
Gwyvian I meant leave the thread haha not the forum. I know some here don't like me anymore and it hurts, but I want to stay. I had a long chat with a mod and things are being dealt with, but broken friendships can't be fixed as easily and I just get depressed quickly due to years of fighting depression. Nobody in this thread hates you, so please stay.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 19, 2017 20:59:03 GMT
Hey a guy can be a gentleman and respect you. They can go together, I know because my guy is like that. I like both *shrugs* and it doesn't mean I want to be barefoot and pregnant. lady c please stay and ignore the cyber bullying.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2017 21:00:39 GMT
Nobody in this thread hates you, so please stay. Well I do sometimes. Hate myself I mean. I'll stay and I'm sorry we fought last time. I know how that feels. And no apology is necessary.
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Post by kestrel on May 19, 2017 21:01:28 GMT
Hey a guy can be a gentleman and respect you. They can go together, I know because my guy is like that. I like both *shrugs* and it doesn't mean I want to be barefoot and pregnant. lady c please stay and ignore the cyber bullying. Sure, but I think there's a lot to be said about how media has represented relationships through the years, and a lot to be said in how fandom represents it as well- it shows we still have so far to go, and that challenging the status quo or those ingrained patriarchal ideas of what a 'traditional' relationship is and is not still seems to get you in trouble. Especially when you look at the rise of groups like 'red pill' men or anti-feminist movements- I would much rather see a relationship that swings away from those structures and tries out something new than something that embraces it, because it's just falling back on lazy narrative structure and deeply ingrained societal sexism.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2017 21:03:09 GMT
*sees people bashing traditional romances* *favorite Bioware romance is traditional romance*
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Post by Gwyvian on May 19, 2017 21:03:54 GMT
Gwyvian I meant leave the thread haha not the forum. I know some here don't like me anymore and it hurts, but I want to stay. I had a long chat with a mod and things are being dealt with, but broken friendships can't be fixed as easily and I just get depressed quickly due to years of fighting depression. I get that, I struggle with depression, too. I'm glad you're sorting it out - sometimes things like this happen and there are consequences, the important thing is to figure out what went wrong and do better next time, that's all anyone can do in this situation. I avoid getting into conflicts like that primarily because I know that there's a great chance I'm going to take it on myself because I care, and caring means it hurts - sometimes it's hard not to get involved despite knowing that, because you instinctively want to fight for what you feel is right, and that's normal. Just pick your battles wisely, avoid the ones that will hurt you because no one on the internet is worth suffering over (I know that from painful personal experience) and as it has been said before, there's always a good side with people who stay welcoming, others maybe even forgiving. It will be what it will be. And now I'm going to drown myself in coffee before I continue spouting 'incredible wisdom' from my vast years of experience. Sorry...
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Post by fadburger on May 19, 2017 21:13:44 GMT
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love a more traditional romance too (I mean, family fluff is pretty much my favorite indulgence lol) I just want it on an equal level.
EDIT: I think I'm also a bit in like, hyper-mode for feminist romance right now because of those darned alien romance novel samples I've been reading lately...they are REALLY bad lol
EDIT2: At least on my part of the discussion I am talking about fanfic, the romances as presented in the games are fine
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 19, 2017 21:14:38 GMT
Hey a guy can be a gentleman and respect you. They can go together, I know because my guy is like that. I like both *shrugs* and it doesn't mean I want to be barefoot and pregnant. lady c please stay and ignore the cyber bullying. Sure, but I think there's a lot to be said about how media has represented relationships through the years, and a lot to be said in how fandom represents it as well- it shows we still have so far to go, and that challenging the status quo or those ingrained patriarchal ideas of what a 'traditional' relationship is and is not still seems to get you in trouble. Especially when you look at the rise of groups like 'red pill' men or anti-feminist movements- I would much rather see a relationship that swings away from those structures and tries out something new than something that embraces it, because it's just falling back on lazy narrative structure and deeply ingrained societal sexism. I don't think too many bioware romances have been what you're saying though. I just find that Jaal clearly respects Ryder and would be the same way if he romanced Scott. Maybe someone can say that Jaal is more traditional I guess, in that maybe his romance can be overly sappy and romantic for some. However that doesn't make something sexist depending on the way it's written. I guess I just don't see any ingrained patriarchal ideas in the Jaal romance and wonder what someone would be challenging here? although I can respect that people interpret things differently. If we're talking about how fandom represents relationships? well that is just impossible to control and fandoms can twist many things and travel into very dark places, however it's not canon. I guess at the end of the day I only have the stamina to care about how I represent something. I also feel that no movement is above critique, any movement....but I'm on my phone and I don't really want to get into this debate anyway as it wasn't even on my mind. So I'll just bow out gracefully.
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Post by kestrel on May 19, 2017 21:16:27 GMT
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love a more traditional romance too (I mean, family fluff is pretty much my favorite indulgence lol) I just want it on an equal level. EDIT: I think I'm also a bit in like, hyper-mode for feminist romance right now because of those darned alien romance novel samples I've been reading lately...they are REALLY bad lol Yah. I mean ultimately, people are entitled to like what they like, but nothing is free from critique, especially when we're looking specifically into how the fandom views a relationship (which is what I'm doing- not how Bioware views it.)
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on May 19, 2017 21:17:23 GMT
Mostly I'm happy to have a romance where neither partner is batshit I know, I know, it's my own fault for romancing people like Anders and Solas. I only have myself to blame for those. But even Garrus and Shepard, my favorite couple ever, each have a few screws loose Jaal's romance is nice because both the NPC and the PC in question are relatively normal, so the relationship arc feels a little more relatable and lines up nicely with my IRL experience.
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Post by beholderess on May 19, 2017 21:18:21 GMT
*sees people bashing traditional romances* *favorite Bioware romance is traditional romance* People mock Josie's romance, but for me, that was magical! Full disclosure - I loved Josephine's romance. But I've romanced her as a hot-blooded female Qunari mage. Traditional or not?
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Post by yeah rip on May 19, 2017 21:19:59 GMT
I was thinking about romancing Josie with my m!Inky, but the duel scene was too much for me, lol. But since I've handled Jaal's public twirling scene anyway, might as well do Josie's as well. I just love how she calls you "darling" in Trespasser!
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Post by fadburger on May 19, 2017 21:21:58 GMT
I was thinking about romancing Josie with my m!Inky, but the duel scene was too much for me, lol. But since I've handled Jaal's public twirling scene anyway, might as well do Josie's as well. I just love how she calls you "darling" in Trespasser! She's just the cutest I doubt I'll get around to romancing her (or anybody else, I don't know when I'll replay) but I've watched it on youtube and her romance is too cute~
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2017 21:22:58 GMT
Full disclosure - I loved Josephine's romance. But I've romanced her as a hot-blooded female Qunari mage. Traditional or not? I can't ship her with anyone but a Qunari. Just like I adore Blackwall with a Dwarf! I romanced her with a male human noble since I was hoping that way it could involve getting married at the end. Jokes on me. Romancing her with a qunari is also sweet. Makes me think of a Beauty and the Beast situation.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2017 21:23:33 GMT
I was thinking about romancing Josie with my m!Inky, but the duel scene was too much for me, lol. But since I've handled Jaal's public twirling scene anyway, might as well do Josie's as well. I just love how she calls you "darling" in Trespasser!
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Post by yeah rip on May 19, 2017 21:24:45 GMT
I made a pretty, dainty-looking Babrie doll elf girl for Blackwall and loved it. I'm all about contrast in couples.
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Post by fadburger on May 19, 2017 21:24:47 GMT
I can't ship her with anyone but a Qunari. Just like I adore Blackwall with a Dwarf! I romanced her with a male human noble since I was hoping that way it could involve getting married. Jokes on me. Romancing her with a qunari is also sweet. Makes me think of a Beauty and the Beast situation. Yessss I love that gentle giant trope haha
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2017 21:28:21 GMT
Let's see if I can remember all my DAI pairings.
Cassandra: Male Human Mage Cullen: Female Human Mage Dorian: Male Qunari Mage Josephine: Male Human Rogue Rainier: Female Dwarf Rogue Sera: Female Qunari Warrior Solas: Female Elf Rogue The Iron Bull: Female Human Warrior
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Post by yeah rip on May 19, 2017 21:28:27 GMT
I was thinking about romancing Josie with my m!Inky, but the duel scene was too much for me, lol. But since I've handled Jaal's public twirling scene anyway, might as well do Josie's as well. I just love how she calls you "darling" in Trespasser! I might actually reinstall DAI just to romance her, I kid not. *looks for games to kick out to make room for DAI*
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