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Post by PenDev0us on May 20, 2017 19:24:32 GMT
I can understand Drack being upset. I have picked the Scouts in both my pt's. I just think you know we are saving the Salarian Ark let's save the Krogan as well. They need help too.In my first pt I was just like good grief haven't they gone through enough .Believe me I wish we could save both the pathfinder, salarians and the Krogan. It can be a hard decision. I don't like leaving the salarians behind because I love their race as well. Yeah I can see his dislike of you if you leave the scouts, I mean, the Krogan left the milky way to reinvent their species. To have the pathfinder abandon your own in favour of Salarians would make him feel that nothings changed and Krogan will always be last in line of priorities :/
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Post by Roxy on May 20, 2017 19:26:56 GMT
I can understand Drack being upset. I have picked the Scouts in both my pt's. I just think you know we are saving the Salarian Ark let's save the Krogan as well. They need help too.In my first pt I was just like good grief haven't they gone through enough .Believe me I wish we could save both the pathfinder, salarians and the Krogan. It can be a hard decision. I don't like leaving the salarians behind because I love their race as well. I saved her because Raeka risked her life to save us when we were locked in and could have been killed. She lost one of her men to help us. Jaal just made it more solidified when he said we owe her. Oh I agree. I just think the Krogan deserve to be saved as well. Raeka is a sweetie and I hate leaving her,but when it came down to it I thought...the krogan don't need to be ignored they need help too. I mean we are saving the salarian ark so why not save some Krogan too. I'm probably going to go for Raeka on my 3rd pt I'm on now. I want to make a few different decisions I made in the past 2.
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Post by Roxy on May 20, 2017 19:30:16 GMT
@sarar
Didn't you say that you blew up the place when you saved the Moshae? Does Jaal still want to romance you if you do that? I'm thinking about doing that in my 3rd pt.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 20, 2017 19:36:33 GMT
Isn't he talking about how they studied together under the Moshae? Because Akksul and Jaal were students at the same time from what I gathered, i.e. Jaal has experience with them. Or am I misunderstanding? Jaal said that. The part I don't recall is Evfra saying anything about it, or even hinting about Jaal and the Roekaar. Ooooh, I see. I don't recall him ever saying anything. I can understand Drack being upset. I have picked the Scouts in both my pt's. I just think you know we are saving the Salarian Ark let's save the Krogan as well. They need help too.In my first pt I was just like good grief haven't they gone through enough .Believe me I wish we could save both the pathfinder, salarians and the Krogan. It can be a hard decision. I don't like leaving the salarians behind because I love their race as well. I really liked that touch that you can save both salarians and krogans actually. I felt like this is kind of a great symbolic gesture that in the same trip I came back with both salarians and krogans.
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Post by Roxy on May 20, 2017 19:41:20 GMT
@sarar Didn't you say that you blew up the place when you saved the Moshae? Does Jaal still want to romance you if you do that? I'm thinking about doing that in my 3rd pt. If you don't kill Akksul, yes. Jaal will get over it by Kadara and flirt with you. If you kill Akksul though, he will take the friendship route when you meet his family. Same thing if you save the Angara and kill Akksul. You can still end up with him, just don't let the Angara die and kill Akksul. Okay. Thank you. My new Pathfinder Ava (My new avatar). Her pt is going to be a bit different.
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Post by Roxy on May 20, 2017 19:44:47 GMT
Okay. Thank you. My new Pathfinder Ava (My new avatar). Her pt is going to be a bit different. She's gorgeous!!! Thank you!!!!!! So is yours!
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Post by Gwyvian on May 20, 2017 19:45:14 GMT
Gwyvian I'm beginning to think things with Jaal were changed. His LM according to the guide is supposed to start in Liam's storage room, and why do we get his LM before we save the Moshae when he's not even a permanent squadmate yet? Something's missing... I think his LM should trigger after we talk to Evfra again on Aya. I'm pretty sure that's true. I think I got some Jaalmance stuff pre-LM that I didn't during the first PT, like he was a little standoffish still until after his LM the first time around and the second time around he loosened up earlier.
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Post by beholderess on May 20, 2017 20:00:12 GMT
I saved her because Raeka risked her life to save us when we were locked in and could have been killed. She lost one of her men to help us. Jaal just made it more solidified when he said we owe her. Oh I agree. I just think the Krogan deserve to be saved as well. Raeka is a sweetie and I hate leaving her,but when it came down to it I thought...the krogan don't need to be ignored they need help too. I mean we are saving the salarian ark so why not save some Krogan too. I'm probably going to go for Raeka on my 3rd pt I'm on now. I want to make a few different decisions I made in the past 2. Saving the salarians has some very good dramatic potential. Specifically, the scene after that is: Raeka starts talking about how she understands that it was a difficult sacrifice to make, Drack growls at her, gets in her face and says "Earn it". To which Raeka, very solemnly, replies "We will". Coming from a Pathfinder, I think it means things much beyond her personal sentiment.
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Post by yeah rip on May 20, 2017 20:18:11 GMT
I think what made me miffed is I did everything to help him for the sake of future Krogan children and he still went at me for the scouts. Sara apologized so many times, and did all she could to make up for it and always got reminded of those damn scouts, though she did help future Krogan children survive. Yet even that's not enough to let her see the babies. The Salarian Pathfinder saved our lives, and Jaal even said we owed her for that rescue, so leaving her to die as thank you for saving us? No. I can't do it. Yeah, I get that. I mean, I think that Drack's point here is the contradiction still - you're willing to go thus far for them, but when it comes down to saving "throwaway" lives, you'd go for the salarians. I think there's just way too much negative history between those two peoples for you to come out of it unscathed. To be fair, if you save the scouts, the same thing would be done to the Salarians - they would be experimented on until the Kett find a way to exalt them or until they die. I don't think there's much difference here. What made a difference for me was that the Krogan scouts knew what they were getting into, but the Salarians were civilians who woke up to hostile aliens intending to torture them. Then there are things that made the choice a little easier for me personally - Raeka is a Pathfinder, and they need whatever experienced pathfinder they can get, and the Salarians lost a lot of people while the Krogan are all cozy on Elaaden or Kadara and even making a dent in genophage, so Drack's "woe is me" about Krogans sounds a bit hollow here. Honestly, Kallo handles it way better is you save the scouts, and he has more reason to be mad, imo. About the Kett facility choices - both options can be seen as either pragmatic, emotional or a bit of both. I didn't save the Angara becauseI was outraged and horrified honestly, after playing so many Bioware games, I've become kinda desensitized to the "horrible revelations" like that, heh. I saved them because my game was bugged and Jaal stopped talking to me for TOO long 1) they really can't afford to lose any more people, and there were hundreds if not thousands of them in that facility, plus the Resistance fighters, scientists etc, who are especially valuable, 2) This can't be the only exaltation facility they have, blowing it up won't make as much of a difference as it appears, 3) we're trying to become friends with Angara and sacrificing their people is probably not a good way to do it. Of course, both options turn out fine (though Evfra is happier if you save the Angara) and Angara can be divided on the subject of which one is the better choice, but Ryder doesn't know that at the time, and saving the people is the safest option. 4) we can come back to destroy it later, or we could if the game let us. They could already reprogram their shield, but we have SAM so I don't see a problem there. edited a bit This is very true. I might consider saving the salarians based on the argument that they're innocent civilians alone, they did go through pretty horrendous stuff that no one should be exposed to and the rest are also very good arguments for siding with them. Honestly, I wonder if it would have made a bigger impact on me if we did have that salarian squadmate who was supposed to go head-to-head with Drack over this, Kallo is remarkably accepting of the situation, which may just be an indication of his people's fortitude in that way... it's the one thing krogans lack. As it is, I'd still pick the krogans for several reasons: it's the Andromeda precedent that I foresee one day averting total war with the krogan (which would probably be devastating), but also I think letting the Archon have access to krogan genes is a truly horrible idea. I know you only face like 5 exalted krogans at the end, but I do not want to imagine what else he's capable of - once exalted, I'm not buying that he and the kett in general don't have access to enough genetic material to pose a threat. It took the genophage and all the existing Council races of the time to stop the krogan in the Milky Way - as exalted, stronger, mindless monsters under a kett whip I'm sure that it would take a colossal effort to stop them. The salarians I doubt they would exalt, they're not exactly known for their physical prowess, rather for their intelligence - but intelligence you can handle as long as you pool your resources (and have salarians of your own on your side). Also, I'm fully ready to admit that MET has largely shaped my views about the krogan in a way that makes me want to pick their side by default. I do not believe punishing salarians in any way or form is acceptable as 'retribution' or whatever, but in this instance - it was a salarian who sold out his own ark, their blood, including the Pathfinder's blood, is on that guy and while I agree that the scouts knew what they were getting into vs. the civilians who woke up, it seemed important to demonstrate that even in that situation, having to make such a terrible choice, I would still pick krogan... and that's a bond that could really, really make a difference, because no one in the MW during the krogan uplifting, then the rebellions, etc. I think has ever made a gesture like that towards them and I wonder what a difference it might have made. I mean, MET teaches you that a friendship with the krogan is a strong bond that's worth fighting for, it's difficult to ignore that. (I know I'm pretty hugely biased towards krogans, but I have to say, after this discussion I think my next PT I'm saving Raeka and the salarians.) For the kett facility, I agree with this reasoning. I also saved them because I reasoned that there's no logical way I could defend blowing up the place; they are in desperate need of fighters and of the morale boost saving them would give, plus I just can't believe that this is the only exaltation facility. Destroying this one may be a setback for the kett, but not enough weighed against so many lives. The kett already have access to krogan genes though. They already figured out how to exalt the krogans, that choice is a matter of whether these five particular krogans become exalted or not. The only way the Kett would get the exalted krogan army is if they kidnap and kettify a lot of them* and honestly, if that many krogans can be kidnapped so easily, they kind of suck at being krogans. Not talking about the scouts here - they had different circumstances. Kett with boosted intelligence would be seriously bad news, actually. I could see the kett exalting them not to be soldiers (though their intelligence could be useful on the field too), but for their science work. The Kett are already more advanced than any other species in Heleus and adding salarian intellect would give them a significant boost, imo, and considering that their main focus is exaltation, they could come up with better offensive/defensive tech and better ways to capture specimens, probably on a massive scale. The rebellions etc happened in the Milky Way. In Andromeda, the Krogan as they are now are more or less on the same level as the rest of the initiative. Unless they are given the Remnant McGuffin, in which case they are friendly with the Nexus (though I'm extremely iffy about that whole "alliance", but that's an entirely different topic). MET has also shaped my views on the krogans, but in a directly opposite way They keep moaning about the genophage like they hadn't done anything to provoke it. It was the Salarians' fault in the first place for uplifting them, but it was the krogans themselves who got carried away after that, I don't think it's right to absolve them of guilt completely. Mordin is right - as awful as the genophage is, it was less horrible than the war would have been. And I just have to rant about this for a bit - they remind us, repeatedly, about how devastated they are by the genophage, but they don't seem to have any actual value in their fellow krogan lives whatsoever, once they're out of infancy. "The genophage is horrible, so many of our children die!" "This is the rite of passage that our children take to become full adults. It can easily kill them but what can ya do". It makes it kinda hard for me to feel much sympathy for them if they think they can afford to be that careless about their numbers. Back to the topic though - Drack has every right to be upset about Ryder leaving his scouts behind, but him moping about it for that long is just stupid of him, especially after we help him with his LM and give the McGuffin to Morda. *It would be pretty neat if the next game or a DLC would have the Kett planning some large scale siege on New Tuchanka to capture and exalt the entire or most of its krogan population at once and they only fail if you gave Morda the remnant McGuffin thing because then the krogans have some extravagant defenses in place for their colony or something. This would really be a Big Consequence and kind of MET-level dark stuff so I don't think Bioware would go there. @sarar I don't remember Evfra mentioning Akksul at all until after Jaal's LM. That bit must have been an oversight or scrapped dialogue or something.
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Post by vana on May 20, 2017 20:32:26 GMT
About Jaal's first loyalty mission: I went on Havarl and found the angara we needed to talk to, but now the mission is "Waiting for Jaal to organize a reunion". What should I do to get the rest? continue the main quest?
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Post by vana on May 20, 2017 20:59:16 GMT
No I've not been to Kadara yet. I guess it will help unlock the rest of the loyalty mission. I share with you the "dearest" e-mail of Jaal in French (as requested ) :
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Post by yeah rip on May 20, 2017 21:05:02 GMT
No I've not been to Kadara yet. I guess it will help unlock the rest of the loyalty mission. I share with you the "dearest" e-mail of Jaal in French (as requested ) : Thanks! Huh, so the French!Jaal uses the formal "you" to address Sara even when their relationship has become more flirty. He really is a proper old-fashioned gentleman Though I don't know, maybe it's ordinary for French people.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 20, 2017 21:36:08 GMT
The kett already have access to krogan genes though. They already figured out how to exalt the krogans, that choice is a matter of whether these five particular krogans become exalted or not. The only way the Kett would get the exalted krogan army is if they kidnap and kettify a lot of them* and honestly, if that many krogans can be kidnapped so easily, they kind of suck at being krogans. Not talking about the scouts here - they had different circumstances. Kett with boosted intelligence would be seriously bad news, actually. I could see the kett exalting them not to be soldiers (though their intelligence could be useful on the field too), but for their science work. The Kett are already more advanced than any other species in Heleus and adding salarian intellect would give them a significant boost, imo, and considering that their main focus is exaltation, they could come up with better offensive/defensive tech and better ways to capture specimens, probably on a massive scale. The rebellions etc happened in the Milky Way. In Andromeda, the Krogan as they are now are more or less on the same level as the rest of the initiative. Unless they are given the Remnant McGuffin, in which case they are friendly with the Nexus (though I'm extremely iffy about that whole "alliance", but that's an entirely different topic). MET has also shaped my views on the krogans, but in a directly opposite way They keep moaning about the genophage like they hadn't done anything to provoke it. It was the Salarians' fault in the first place for uplifting them, but it was the krogans themselves who got carried away after that, I don't think it's right to absolve them of guilt completely. Mordin is right - as awful as the genophage is, it was less horrible than the war would have been. And I just have to rant about this for a bit - they remind us, repeatedly, about how devastated they are by the genophage, but they don't seem to have any actual value in their fellow krogan lives whatsoever, once they're out of infancy. "The genophage is horrible, so many of our children die!" "This is the rite of passage that our children take to become full adults. It can easily kill them but what can ya do". It makes it kinda hard for me to feel much sympathy for them if they think they can afford to be that careless about their numbers. Back to the topic though - Drack has every right to be upset about Ryder leaving his scouts behind, but him moping about it for that long is just stupid of him, especially after we help him with his LM and give the McGuffin to Morda. *It would be pretty neat if the next game or a DLC would have the Kett planning some large scale siege on New Tuchanka to capture and exalt the entire or most of its krogan population at once and they only succeed if you gave Morda the remnant McGuffin thing because then the krogans have some extravagant defenses in place for their colony or something. This would really be a Big Consequence and kind of MET-level dark stuff so I don't think Bioware would go there. @sarar I don't remember Evfra mentioning Akksul at all until after Jaal's LM. That bit must have been an oversight or scrapped dialogue or something. True, true. The same goes for the salarians in that sense though, so I guess that makes using their genes and potiential kettification a moot point no matter how we look at it, plus the damage was already more than done with the salarians; the kett had ample time and test subjects for who knows how long. I think the krogans definitely need to do better and they definitely have a big share in the blame as to why the genophage happened - but then, ultimately I can't get over the simple fact that the salarians uplifted them in the first place when their civilization clearly wasn't mature enough to work out how to be a stable civilization (I am more than a little influenced by a Prime Directive sort of concept as being an extremely sensible precaution in such situations - yeah, the survival of the galaxy was at stake, I'd have made the same choice maybe, but the consequences that come with that decision should be shouldered by them, too, and from everything I learned in MET about that time period the salarians could have done more, they did treat the krogan like canon fodder second class citizens pretty much from the outset). It's not as if the krogan didn't have the potential to be a stable civilization, just take Eve as an example; she's the reason why I am willing to trust in the krogan in the first place, because her character shows a side of the krogan that has been severely oppressed in a way - because of the genophage (not arguing that it was necessary, because I agree that at the time, it was a good solution), their civilization has been forced into a kind of tribal system that focuses on survival at all costs and that's what truly changed my mind about them. I imagined that if the krogan were given a second chance and if they had the right leadership (I love Wrex, but without Eve he's not enough to sway me, nor would I have even considered curing them of the genophage if Wreav was in charge), the intelligent side of their race would have a chance to finally become more than baby-making commodities or throwaway mercs and maybe they actually might have a shot at building a viable civilization. I agree with Wrex that given the hopelessness of their civilization all the krogan know how to do is be idiot mercenaries, it's not sustainable, but there are reasons why they consider themselves to be expendable. I mean, look at our own history - we are an extremely violent race at times and if a people like the salarians came along to uplift us, I'm not sure humanity would do much better. Our population explosions are even a little reminiscent of the krogan, if not nearly so drastically, and in an ME context, humans are way more versatile than any other species from many points of view - so, I guess, I see a great kinship there. Plus, there may have been very good reasons to introduce the genophage, but by the time humans join the galactic community, it is clear that their civilization is on the verge of imploding - that's waiting far too long in my opinion, that's more than enough punishment for demanding more planets, more representation and more gratitude; there's a reason why Moridin eventually comes to the conclusion that curing them is the right thing to do and I agree with that reasoning. I'd love to see a DLC give us more consequence stuff like that - I'm honestly waaaay less sanguine about trusting Morda than I am with saving the scouts, actually. I was pro-krogan all the way in my PT, but honestly, I'd rather have Drack's trust and the trust of the less important guys among the krogan than a supercilious leader like Morda; sure, she was manipulated just as you were, but she makes her feelings about her importance vs. the Nexus abundantly clear and I'm not cool with that kind of attitude. 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Post by akaneryuu on May 20, 2017 21:47:53 GMT
So do we have any hopes for dlc's or???? cause it's looking pretty grim right now.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 20, 2017 22:04:05 GMT
So do we have any hopes for dlc's or???? cause it's looking pretty grim right now. Grim?? Is there more bad news? I mean, they did say that they're going to honor their commitments, which includes DLC's...
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Post by yeah rip on May 20, 2017 22:08:46 GMT
That pronoun thing in French is similar to Russian (that could be where Russians took it from, actually). In Russian there are two forms of "you" - one is singular casual "ты", the other is plural or formal singular "вы". In 19-ish century Russia, the couples would address each other with "вы" (at least publicly) throughout the courtship phase and sometimes into the marriage, if I'm not mistaken. If a man and a woman weren't relatives or married and addressed each other with "ты", that would imply that they had very, very close relationship, if you know what I mean. OT story time, but I remember going through some of Pushkin's poems in our literature classes in high school (specifically this one; imagine Jaal writing this for Sara, btw) and we had to answer these typical literature-lesson questions, like "how do you interpret it" or "what did the author mean" or something. I always hated these. I complained about these to my aunt who used to study Russian philology and is just really smart and kind of a bookworm, like "it's a freaking love letter, what is there to interpret?!". She said "Well, he addresses the woman he wrote this to with "ты", and since they weren't married, you can answer that he humiliated the poor girl". That probably wouldn't be the answer my teacher was expecting Ahhh, sorry, got carried away. Back to our resident Prince Charming. Alright it was bothering me (thought I was seeing things), so I watched the confession scene again, and Jaal does seem to look at Sara's lips before asking to be together. Makes you wonder how long he's wanted to kiss her. I hadn't noticed that particular little pause when he looked at her lips before, but you're right! He was probably waiting to kiss her for a while can't blame him. He had been all googly eyed for her for a long time, and the more she flirted with him, the more confident he became about confessing, imo. And I must say, Jaal is super lucky - he showed his crush the corpse of his pet bug that he dissected and she still agreed to be his girlfriend
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Post by akaneryuu on May 20, 2017 22:10:13 GMT
So do we have any hopes for dlc's or???? cause it's looking pretty grim right now. Grim?? Is there more bad news? I mean, they did say that they're going to honor their commitments, which includes DLC's... Everyone keeps telling me Ea put mass effect on hiatus. I have no idea what's happening.
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Post by Psychedelic on May 20, 2017 22:11:02 GMT
So do we have any hopes for dlc's or???? cause it's looking pretty grim right now. I haven't read the thread on that topic, but I don't get what all the fuss is about. Wasn't the first time EA published a buggy game and won't be the last and ME:A isn't nearly as bad as the shitstorm might suggest, definitely not bad enough to drop the franchise. All business as usual, which means the wheel turns and many people are relocated to other Bioware projects until the focus returns to ME (which will still take a few years, but you don't need a full team for a DLC). Someone posted recently a chart with the average time from release of a Bioware game to the first major DLC, which was around 4 months. I think it's likely we will see a DLC end of July. No idea how long in advance they want to announce it though, could be "available tomorrow!", who knows what EA has in mind.
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Post by vana on May 20, 2017 22:27:10 GMT
No I've not been to Kadara yet. I guess it will help unlock the rest of the loyalty mission. I share with you the "dearest" e-mail of Jaal in French (as requested ) : Thanks! Huh, so the French!Jaal uses the formal "you" to address Sara even when their relationship has become more flirty. He really is a proper old-fashioned gentleman Though I don't know, maybe it's ordinary for French people. Yes it does seem normal to me that he is using "vous", the formal "you" in that situation. I wonder when he will start to use "tu" instead of "vous" in the game. Yes in France too, long ago noble couple were using the formal "you" with each other. But in that situation it's because Jaal is interested but not close enough to Ryder yet, maybe he doesn't know the customs, either. In French the person would ask the authorization to use "tu"when he thinks you're close enough to use it. As the game is in english in the first place there won't be that of course, so I wonder when the change will arrive (because that would be strange to have him still use the formal words even at the end of the relationship) I'm playing in english with french subtitles and text, so, anyway, I'll hear "you" so it won't matter Well i'm glad he's interested in Ryder now, because at first he seemed more interested by asari (pff, so classic male fantasy) than humans. On the Nexus in the Cultural center he wants to know more about the Asari first. I'm trying to keep Peebee at bay, no Peebee, Jaal is for Sara Ryer, don't touch him I wonder if he still "flirts" with Peebee or Cora in the party banter when he is in a romance with Ryder? it would sound strange to hear Jaal saying he thought about Asari/Angara reproduction while he romances Ryder...
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 20, 2017 23:25:46 GMT
So do we have any hopes for dlc's or???? cause it's looking pretty grim right now. I wouldn't worry too much right now as the kotaku article that started it seemed more like gossip. Every gaming company cuts back on their development teams to save on resources once a game is finished. I remember it happened with the witcher 3 team before they released all their DLC. Also keep in mind that an Andromeda 2 will be off the table for some years just because they have their new IP and Dragon age 4 to take care of first. Something that also boded well imo, was that I read on here that Cora's voice actress tweeted she was back in the studio recording more voice work. I think it was Hanako that originally mentioned she was back in the studio but I can't remember. Now that's not to say I'm right in my assessment because I could very well be wrong but as of right now, if I'm not reading it from Bioware or EA themselves than I don't really believe there is a hiatus, as it all seems pretty normal to me. *shrugs*
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Post by vana on May 20, 2017 23:34:20 GMT
vana sadly banter does not update flags regarding the flirting stuff, but Cora and Liam will talk of your relationship with Jaal. You can tell PeeBee to back off too, but banter cycles and never locks out. However Jaal does not like a woman who is not loyal, so he won't cheat and knows you won't either. Same with PeeBee. If you romance her, you learn she's not one to have more than one lover and she'll love only you. Yes but anyway I want to avoid having Jaal and Peebee flirting with each other and talking about angara/asari sex like if my Ryder was not here, so I never take them together in the Nomad. When does he ask about Reyes? does he talk about him even when Ryder doesn't flirt with Reyes? A friend wanted to romance Jaal but went too far with Reyes without knowing and so it messed up his romance with Jaal (he couldn't go further the family reunion) (he had a female Ryder)
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Post by yeah rip on May 20, 2017 23:34:21 GMT
OMG, Gamble Edit: okay, this is pretty old. I sure missed out on stuff. The kett already have access to krogan genes though. They already figured out how to exalt the krogans, that choice is a matter of whether these five particular krogans become exalted or not. The only way the Kett would get the exalted krogan army is if they kidnap and kettify a lot of them* and honestly, if that many krogans can be kidnapped so easily, they kind of suck at being krogans. Not talking about the scouts here - they had different circumstances. Kett with boosted intelligence would be seriously bad news, actually. I could see the kett exalting them not to be soldiers (though their intelligence could be useful on the field too), but for their science work. The Kett are already more advanced than any other species in Heleus and adding salarian intellect would give them a significant boost, imo, and considering that their main focus is exaltation, they could come up with better offensive/defensive tech and better ways to capture specimens, probably on a massive scale. The rebellions etc happened in the Milky Way. In Andromeda, the Krogan as they are now are more or less on the same level as the rest of the initiative. Unless they are given the Remnant McGuffin, in which case they are friendly with the Nexus (though I'm extremely iffy about that whole "alliance", but that's an entirely different topic). MET has also shaped my views on the krogans, but in a directly opposite way They keep moaning about the genophage like they hadn't done anything to provoke it. It was the Salarians' fault in the first place for uplifting them, but it was the krogans themselves who got carried away after that, I don't think it's right to absolve them of guilt completely. Mordin is right - as awful as the genophage is, it was less horrible than the war would have been. And I just have to rant about this for a bit - they remind us, repeatedly, about how devastated they are by the genophage, but they don't seem to have any actual value in their fellow krogan lives whatsoever, once they're out of infancy. "The genophage is horrible, so many of our children die!" "This is the rite of passage that our children take to become full adults. It can easily kill them but what can ya do". It makes it kinda hard for me to feel much sympathy for them if they think they can afford to be that careless about their numbers. Back to the topic though - Drack has every right to be upset about Ryder leaving his scouts behind, but him moping about it for that long is just stupid of him, especially after we help him with his LM and give the McGuffin to Morda. *It would be pretty neat if the next game or a DLC would have the Kett planning some large scale siege on New Tuchanka to capture and exalt the entire or most of its krogan population at once and they only succeed if you gave Morda the remnant McGuffin thing because then the krogans have some extravagant defenses in place for their colony or something. This would really be a Big Consequence and kind of MET-level dark stuff so I don't think Bioware would go there. @sarar I don't remember Evfra mentioning Akksul at all until after Jaal's LM. That bit must have been an oversight or scrapped dialogue or something. True, true. The same goes for the salarians in that sense though, so I guess that makes using their genes and potiential kettification a moot point no matter how we look at it, plus the damage was already more than done with the salarians; the kett had ample time and test subjects for who knows how long. I think the krogans definitely need to do better and they definitely have a big share in the blame as to why the genophage happened - but then, ultimately I can't get over the simple fact that the salarians uplifted them in the first place when their civilization clearly wasn't mature enough to work out how to be a stable civilization (I am more than a little influenced by a Prime Directive sort of concept as being an extremely sensible precaution in such situations - yeah, the survival of the galaxy was at stake, I'd have made the same choice maybe, but the consequences that come with that decision should be shouldered by them, too, and from everything I learned in MET about that time period the salarians could have done more, they did treat the krogan like canon fodder second class citizens pretty much from the outset). It's not as if the krogan didn't have the potential to be a stable civilization, just take Eve as an example; she's the reason why I am willing to trust in the krogan in the first place, because her character shows a side of the krogan that has been severely oppressed in a way - because of the genophage (not arguing that it was necessary, because I agree that at the time, it was a good solution), their civilization has been forced into a kind of tribal system that focuses on survival at all costs and that's what truly changed my mind about them. I imagined that if the krogan were given a second chance and if they had the right leadership (I love Wrex, but without Eve he's not enough to sway me, nor would I have even considered curing them of the genophage if Wreav was in charge), the intelligent side of their race would have a chance to finally become more than baby-making commodities or throwaway mercs and maybe they actually might have a shot at building a viable civilization. I agree with Wrex that given the hopelessness of their civilization all the krogan know how to do is be idiot mercenaries, it's not sustainable, but there are reasons why they consider themselves to be expendable. I mean, look at our own history - we are an extremely violent race at times and if a people like the salarians came along to uplift us, I'm not sure humanity would do much better. Our population explosions are even a little reminiscent of the krogan, if not nearly so drastically, and in an ME context, humans are way more versatile than any other species from many points of view - so, I guess, I see a great kinship there. Plus, there may have been very good reasons to introduce the genophage, but by the time humans join the galactic community, it is clear that their civilization is on the verge of imploding - that's waiting far too long in my opinion, that's more than enough punishment for demanding more planets, more representation and more gratitude; there's a reason why Moridin eventually comes to the conclusion that curing them is the right thing to do and I agree with that reasoning. I'd love to see a DLC give us more consequence stuff like that - I'm honestly waaaay less sanguine about trusting Morda than I am with saving the scouts, actually. I was pro-krogan all the way in my PT, but honestly, I'd rather have Drack's trust and the trust of the less important guys among the krogan than a supercilious leader like Morda; sure, she was manipulated just as you were, but she makes her feelings about her importance vs. the Nexus abundantly clear and I'm not cool with that kind of attitude. Whoah, sorry about the wall of text. Don't worry, I live for walls of text like this You're making good points, especially about humanity. Salarians did have a lot - maybe everything - to do with how krogans turned out. Like Mordin said, it was like giving nuclear weapons to cavemen. That whole situation was a shitshow though,and there wouldn't be a great outcome either way. To be fair, the genophage returned the krogan population growth rate to what it was before uplifting. Don't know how much it can be believed, but the wiki says that the pre-uplifting conditions of Tuchanka kept their numbers in check, but after they didn't have to deal with such harsh conditions anymore, their population exploded. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to cure the genophage completely at this point, but raising the % of viable offspring would improve things significantly, imo. Yeah, I really didn't want my people anywhere near Elaaden after she un-subtly threatened the Nexus, but we really needed that colony, apparently Interesting... it seems even if you don't romance Jaal, when he makes comments about your taste in Reyes, Sara asks if he's jealous lol I never had Jaal comment on my flirting with Reyes :sob:
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Post by brandoftime on May 20, 2017 23:50:34 GMT
So do we have any hopes for dlc's or???? cause it's looking pretty grim right now. I can understand the concern - all the FUD about Mass Effect lately . . . But there's hope if you check out what EA says in their quarterly report, just control f and scan for "andromeda" here: files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/4145427043x0x942291/ACCEDDA3-E7FE-480D-B049-A7FAA2200A92/EA-USQ_Transcript_2017-05-09.pdfsounds like they were up this quarter over last because of Mass Effect, FIFA and Ultimate team. Seems quite likely they did fairly well based on how they talk about MEA in this source alone, so I'm cautiously optimistic that yes, there will be dlc and someday MEA2
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 20, 2017 23:59:26 GMT
All this talk of language makes me wish the dev team would hire someone to create some of the alien languages for lore purposes, so that we can delve into them. I would really like to know if the Angaran language uses a formal you themselves or if it's just thrown in there for the sake of the language that's being translated etc. Also does anyone know if the German translation uses the formal Sie or informal Du as well?
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