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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 13:29:10 GMT
So, Jaal is a pretty badass person, from what we see of him. Also, loved and admired in the Resistance, judging by the NPCs reactions. Heck, certain people explicitly refer to him as hero. And yet he feels inferior to one of his older sisters. Anyone else is curious about just how badass she is if Jaal is feeling completely overshadowed? Seriously, I want to know! Maybe his older sisters and brothers are not "that" badass, but you know how it is, when your parents keep comparing you to your older sister/brother/cousin when they want to critisize you or even without knowing it. "Your sister managed to get her diploma with very good marks" "your brother could drive a car when he was younger than you" "your cousin already got a good job, she is already manager" All these things can make you feel inferior or down, and I think that it's what happened to Jaal, because he has so many older brothers/sisters to be compared to, especially after his older brother charmed his first girlfriend under his nose and took her away. Poor Jaal must feel like sh*t... I also wonder how Ryder and the others can understand the Angara? do they have a special translator device (because sometimes Ryder says her translator cannot translate some angaran words) Or do the Angara speak english? how ? it sounds a bit like Stargate, you know, everyone in the galaxy conveniently speaks english Ryder has a translator. It has been pointed out. It took it a couple of minutes to kick into gear, but it started working eventually. Some Angara also have translators (Jaal has one, it is bad a picking up idioms), some don't, depending on whether they expect to be around the Initiative species in the nearby future
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Post by vana on May 21, 2017 13:49:20 GMT
Ok, that's strange because they don't clearly explain it. Because in the e-mails and in real they can still use the original language sometimes to explain what some words mean, etc... So without that translator Jaal and Ryder cannot understand each other? imagine if the translator breaks. I hope they will study each other's language to prevent that kind of situation
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 14:03:31 GMT
Ok, that's strange because they don't clearly explain it. Because in the e-mails and in real they can still use the original language sometimes to explain what some words mean, etc... So without that translator Jaal and Ryder cannot understand each other? imagine if the translator breaks. I hope they will study each other's language to prevent that kind of situation I thought it was explained rather clearly. When Ryder cannot understand the language at first, waiting for the translator to acquire sufficient samples to figure something out. I would say that the translator worked way too quickly, but perhaps the software also had some samples from Kadara to work with Also, I think it was pointed out in the codex somewhere in MET that this is pretty much how the alien crew members talk to each other and interact on the Citadel. Citadel species do not actually have a common language. As for using original language to explain what the words mean - English is my second language, and there are a lot of people on this forum in the same position. This does sometimes happen, even if a direct translation is available. Heck, a lot of words we use as terms actually have a translation, but we are not using it because - reasons.
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Post by yeah rip on May 21, 2017 14:08:05 GMT
Ok, that's strange because they don't clearly explain it. Because in the e-mails and in real they can still use the original language sometimes to explain what some words mean, etc... So without that translator Jaal and Ryder cannot understand each other? imagine if the translator breaks. I hope they will study each other's language to prevent that kind of situation The translators have been a thing since the original trilogy. None of the aliens actually speak the same language as humans, and I'm pretty sure not even all humans speak the same language. So in addition to Jaal, if y'all have romanced Garrus, Thane, Tali or Liara in the past, you were never speaking the same language, let that sink in for a bit I'm not a fan of the translator idea, it's too space-magicky and lazy to me, but there's not much choice for a game like Mass Effect, it's not like they would construct an entirely different language for every species. I like to think that since Jaal and Sara (at least mine) are so nerdy and curious, they would take time to learn each other's mother tongues. At least My Sara would. My headcanon is that since she already has some grasp of the basics of Shelesh, her preferred method would just be to hang out with Jaal and/or his family with her translator off.
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 14:10:01 GMT
Ok, that's strange because they don't clearly explain it. Because in the e-mails and in real they can still use the original language sometimes to explain what some words mean, etc... So without that translator Jaal and Ryder cannot understand each other? imagine if the translator breaks. I hope they will study each other's language to prevent that kind of situation I thought it was explained rather clearly. When Ryder cannot understand the language at first, waiting for the translator to acquire sufficient samples to figure something out. I would say that the translator worked way too quickly, but perhaps the software also had some samples from Kadara to work with Also, I think it was pointed out in the codex somewhere in MET that this is pretty much how the alien crew members talk to each other and interact on the Citadel. Citadel species do not actually have a common language. So it's not just Jaal and Ryder who would have a problem Vetra probably knows a few alien languages, having spent as much time on the Citadel as she has, but English might or might not be among them. Drack probably knows Asari language and a few others, having had a long time to pick it up, but English - he probably doesn't, since he's still not sure if humans are worth acknowledging. I doubt that Peebee knows any languages, although she probably knows swears and pick-up lines in each. Ryder, being a spacer kid s/he is, probably had a chance to pick up a couple of languages - Asari, definitely, considering the Protean digs. And maybe Turian - it is widely used in Citadel military... As for using original language to explain what the words mean - English is my second language, and there are a lot of people on this forum in the same position. This does sometimes happen, even if a direct translation is available. Heck, a lot of words we use as terms actually have a translation, but we are not using it because - reasons.
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Post by vana on May 21, 2017 14:18:45 GMT
Ah ok, the translator worked so quickly when they arrived on Aya, I thought that in fact most Angara could speak english but didn't want to show it to the strangers because they didn't want them to understand.
Yes that translator is very, very powerful and efficient, it seems...
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 14:26:03 GMT
Ah ok, the translator worked so quickly when they arrived on Aya, I thought that in fact most Angara could speak english but didn't want to show it to the strangers because they didn't want them to understand. Yes that translator is very, very powerful and efficient, it seems... You know, when you already have a few thousand languages in the database, figuring out another, even an unrelated one, becomes just a matter of filling in some gaps
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Post by Psychedelic on May 21, 2017 14:32:11 GMT
Ah ok, the translator worked so quickly when they arrived on Aya, I thought that in fact most Angara could speak english but didn't want to show it to the strangers because they didn't want them to understand. Yes that translator is very, very powerful and efficient, it seems... The Angara had already met some Milky Way aliens on Kadara. I think the Angara's translator worked just fine, it was just Ryder who couldn't understand them when they first met. If you choose the casual reply the Angara talk to each other and even laugh (at you, I assume), so they must have understood you. I really want to know what they found so funny.
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 15:48:04 GMT
Ah ok, the translator worked so quickly when they arrived on Aya, I thought that in fact most Angara could speak english but didn't want to show it to the strangers because they didn't want them to understand. Yes that translator is very, very powerful and efficient, it seems... The Angara had already met some Milky Way aliens on Kadara. I think the Angara's translator worked just fine, it was just Ryder who couldn't understand them when they first met. If you choose the casual reply the Angara talk to each other and even laugh (at you, I assume), so they must have understood you. I really want to know what they found so funny. What does Ryder say if you choose a Casual reply? I usually go for emotional in this scene, because it is also quite funny And yes, it makes perfect sense that their translators work just fine, it is only Ryder that is having trouble
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Post by vana on May 21, 2017 16:23:48 GMT
I never got that line where he asks his his scars will impress the ladies? maybe I need to do his loyalty mission. Anyway why would he ask Sara Ryder if he will impress the ladies, he didn't seem to be the kind to show off in front of women (especially if he is romancing Ryder, strange thing to say ) ("hey Ryder, will I be able to impress other women and attract their attention?") And about the translator, I can't help but think about "google translation", you know, it always mess up translations and give strange results
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 21, 2017 16:31:40 GMT
I never got that line where he asks his his scars will impress the ladies? maybe I need to do his loyalty mission. Anyway why would he ask Sara Ryder if he will impress the ladies, he didn't seem to be the kind to show off in front of women (especially if he is romancing Ryder, strange thing to say ) ("hey Ryder, will I be able to impress other women and attract their attention?") And about the translator, I can't help but think about "google translation", you know, it always mess up translations and give strange results He never seems much of a show off it's true but at the same time he does flirt with every female member of the crew and you can also take that line as tongue in cheek if you wanted, like when he says "he's the better looking guy" when talking about Akksul.
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Post by vana on May 21, 2017 16:44:58 GMT
Well it depends on the member of the crew, but I feel that sometimes he just wants to be kind with everyone and so he says clearly what he thinks. Telling Vetra she's courageous and that he likes her, etc, I don't see it as a real flirt. But some people hearing a man saying "you're courageous, I like you, I admire you" may think it's flirting. But in Jaal's case I feel like he would even say that to a man. When he just says nice things to everyone I guess, he even wants to offer a gift to Drack, not only to ladies (yes he seems attracted or curious about Asari at first, but I don't know how it evolves later)
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 21, 2017 16:50:00 GMT
Well it depends on the member of the crew, but I feel that sometimes he just wants to be kind with everyone and so he says clearly what he thinks. Telling Vetra she's courageous and that he likes her, etc, I don't see it as a real flirt. But some people hearing a man saying "you're courageous, I like you, I admire you" may think it's flirting. But in Jaal's case I feel like he would even say that to a man. When he just says nice things to everyone I guess, he even wants to offer a gift to Drack, not only to ladies (yes he seems attracted or curious about Asari at first, but I don't know how it evolves later) Oh I wasn't referring to that Vetra line because I don't think that's flirting either, I was referring to him saying that he liked her flexibility but like I said it seems more playful than anything serious. *shrugs* EDIT: Anyway fellow Jaal peeps, I was trying to think of a trope that would fit our cinnamon roll. Does this one work out yay or nay? link
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 21, 2017 17:21:36 GMT
Onecrazymonkey1 good find! What I like about Jaal is he gets over it when he finally finds where he belongs. As he says to Ryder "What I wanted... yes, but not what I needed. What I need." He wanted a better position to feel he accomplished something, but after being on Ryder's team, he realized that rank and a person's view of him didn't matter anymore. He just loved what he was doing and who he was doing it with. I remember talking to him in the Cultural Centre late in the game and he blurts out he loves his life and thanks me for everything. Yeah, when I found out he was offered the special position my heart sank, plus flashbacks of Solas, Dorian, and one of my divine Cass play through's flashed through my mind a bit. I thought it was going to be the moment that he parted ways with us, leaving the romance bittersweet and I thought at the time, who would my Sara be to hold him back if it made him happy? Let's just say I'm very glad that he pleasantly surprised me. Also the guy is smooth, I loved that "what I need" line.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 21, 2017 17:26:19 GMT
Yeah, when I found out he was offered the special position my heart sank, plus flashbacks of Solas, Dorian, and one of my divine Cass play through's flashed through my mind a bit. I thought it was going to be the moment that he parted ways with us, leaving the romance bittersweet and I thought at the time, who would my Sara be to hold him back if it made him happy? Let's just say I'm very glad that he pleasantly surprised me. Also the guy is smooth, I loved that "what I need" line. Is it just me or did he drag that out on purpose? He never hinted he wasn't taking it and then acted surprised when Ryder says they can return to Aya. It feels like he was trolling me, just to see how much I cared. I was almost going to say that it seemed like a test or his regularly scheduled trolling but decided to leave it out of my post! lolz
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Post by kestrel on May 21, 2017 17:26:40 GMT
I have like... a couple hundred words of the follow up to that 'what if Alec was still the Pathfinder' fic but for some reason I find myself stuck and unable to finish. So much of the Jaal/Ryder story just doesn't seem as exciting if she's not the Pathfinder. :/
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Post by vana on May 21, 2017 17:35:16 GMT
I'm going to make some Jaal fanarts, I guess. If I have time. I'll post a sketch later.
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Post by Psychedelic on May 21, 2017 17:36:36 GMT
The Angara had already met some Milky Way aliens on Kadara. I think the Angara's translator worked just fine, it was just Ryder who couldn't understand them when they first met. If you choose the casual reply the Angara talk to each other and even laugh (at you, I assume), so they must have understood you. I really want to know what they found so funny. What does Ryder say if you choose a Casual reply? I usually go for emotional in this scene, because it is also quite funny And yes, it makes perfect sense that their translators work just fine, it is only Ryder that is having trouble I meant the scene where they are forced/invited to land on Aya the first time they get there. There are only casual and professional reply options, and casual is like "We are the good guys!". Then you hear the Angaran pilots say something in their own language what sounds like they are making fun of Ryder. That's why I assumed they can understand us while we can't understand them at that time. I guess when you later talk to governor Shie they use their own translator again, but this time two ways for your benefit. Damned pilots have been talking behind Ryder's back on purpose.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 21, 2017 17:38:03 GMT
I have like... a couple hundred words of the follow up to that 'what if Alec was still the Pathfinder' fic but for some reason I find myself stuck and unable to finish. So much of the Jaal/Ryder story just doesn't seem as exciting if she's not the Pathfinder. :/ I can understand why it would take some of the adventure away while writing, because there is something really exciting about being the person at the helm and forging the path for the betterment of the milky way species. However, I'm sure whatever you have already written is wonderful. Maybe just taking a break from the story and getting back to it later might help? Never force yourself to do something you don't want to do. I'm not a writer though so maybe my advice is moot, it's just that taking a break is something I've always done with my art when I got bored with it, and it usually would help.
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Post by kestrel on May 21, 2017 17:42:06 GMT
I have like... a couple hundred words of the follow up to that 'what if Alec was still the Pathfinder' fic but for some reason I find myself stuck and unable to finish. So much of the Jaal/Ryder story just doesn't seem as exciting if she's not the Pathfinder. :/ I can understand why it would take some of the adventure away while writing, because there is something really exciting about being the person at the helm and forging the path for the betterment of the milky way species. However, I'm sure whatever you have already written is wonderful. Maybe just taking a break from the story and getting back to it later might help? Never force yourself to do something you don't want to do. I'm not a writer though so maybe my advice is moot, it's just that taking a break is something I've always done with my art when I got bored with it, and it would usually would help. I feel bad because A LOT of people asked for it but I'm also just not feeling the Jaal writing this past week and a half too, so I'm definitely going to have to backburner a few things while I work on other stuff. I have some good drabbles I still /might/ do with Jaal/Ryder, but yah, right now writing something that long that I don't feel invested in is not something I wanna do, so I will definitely take a break, at least from that particular piece.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 21, 2017 17:47:24 GMT
I can understand why it would take some of the adventure away while writing, because there is something really exciting about being the person at the helm and forging the path for the betterment of the milky way species. However, I'm sure whatever you have already written is wonderful. Maybe just taking a break from the story and getting back to it later might help? Never force yourself to do something you don't want to do. I'm not a writer though so maybe my advice is moot, it's just that taking a break is something I've always done with my art when I got bored with it, and it would usually would help. I feel bad because A LOT of people asked for it but I'm also just not feeling the Jaal writing this past week and a half too, so I'm definitely going to have to backburner a few things while I work on other stuff. I have some good drabbles I still /might/ do with Jaal/Ryder, but yah, right now writing something that long that I don't feel invested in is not something I wanna do, so I will definitely take a break, at least from that particular piece. ah don't feel bad, I love the story but you're taking time out of your life to create something for free for everyone's enjoyment. I think most people will understand and besides your other stories and characters you write about are great to, so we are not deprived.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on May 21, 2017 17:50:09 GMT
So... if Jaal and Ryder were having a sniping contest (a la Garrus /Shepard)... would Jaal let his lady win ? Garrus was not about that life, but would Jaal? Lol
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Post by kestrel on May 21, 2017 17:52:05 GMT
So... if Jaal and Ryder were having a sniping contest (a la Garrus /Shepard)... would Jaal let his lady win ? Garrus was not about that life, but would Jaal? Lol He might try, but I don't think my Ryder would let him. ... I strongly suspect she would beat him fair and square anyway. Sorry, Jaal, but she has the Widow.
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 17:56:29 GMT
Is it just me or did he drag that out on purpose? He never hinted he wasn't taking it and then acted surprised when Ryder says they can return to Aya. It feels like he was trolling me, just to see how much I cared. I was almost going to say that it seemed like a test or his regularly scheduled trolling but decided to leave it out of my post! lolz For someone experiencing difficulties with idioms, he is surprisingly fond of trolling.
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