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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:01:55 GMT
Well it depends on the member of the crew, but I feel that sometimes he just wants to be kind with everyone and so he says clearly what he thinks. Telling Vetra she's courageous and that he likes her, etc, I don't see it as a real flirt. But some people hearing a man saying "you're courageous, I like you, I admire you" may think it's flirting. But in Jaal's case I feel like he would even say that to a man. When he just says nice things to everyone I guess, he even wants to offer a gift to Drack, not only to ladies It's a good way to show cultural differences too. Some of us humans see it as flirting, but the Angara see it as being open with how they feel. As real life humans, many players didn't see beyond what his words would mean in human culture. I try and put myself in their shoes, imagining how it would be to know people who were like the Angara, and it helps when you hear his banter with the females, but a part of me always feels uneasy because if a human talked that way, he would obviously being looking for a roll in the hay. To be honest, this obsession humans have with flirting is something I don't understand. Maybe it is because I'm ace, or maybe I'm just weird, but that is exactly how I interact with close friends (of either gender). I would hug, and kiss, and engage in playful banter, and compliment, and tell my friends that I love them, they mean the life for me, and stars are reflected in their eyes. It is not flirting to me, I would have zero jealousy if my partner was doing that, and I would tolerate none in return.
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:02:44 GMT
For someone experiencing difficulties with idioms, he is surprisingly fond of trolling. He also doesn't question Liam's idiom about "Who pissed in your cereal?" and answers honestly that Lexi put him in a bad mood. Knowing Liam, he's probably heard that one before
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:06:26 GMT
What does Ryder say if you choose a Casual reply? I usually go for emotional in this scene, because it is also quite funny And yes, it makes perfect sense that their translators work just fine, it is only Ryder that is having trouble I meant the scene where they are forced/invited to land on Aya the first time they get there. There are only casual and professional reply options, and casual is like "We are the good guys!". Then you hear the Angaran pilots say something in their own language what sounds like they are making fun of Ryder. That's why I assumed they can understand us while we can't understand them at that time. I guess when you later talk to governor Shie they use their own translator again, but this time two ways for your benefit. Damned pilots have been talking behind Ryder's back on purpose. Of course they were! If there is anything we have learned about the Angara so far, it is that they love to gossip and to share their opinions, whether wanted or not
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Post by Psychedelic on May 21, 2017 18:11:29 GMT
I meant the scene where they are forced/invited to land on Aya the first time they get there. There are only casual and professional reply options, and casual is like "We are the good guys!". Then you hear the Angaran pilots say something in their own language what sounds like they are making fun of Ryder. That's why I assumed they can understand us while we can't understand them at that time. I guess when you later talk to governor Shie they use their own translator again, but this time two ways for your benefit. Damned pilots have been talking behind Ryder's back on purpose. Of course they were! If there is anything we have learned about the Angara so far, it is that they love to gossip and to share their opinions, whether wanted or not Meet an unknown, possibly hostile alien race, call them an idiot (I think) and have a good laugh about them. Not sure if that is badass or stupid or both.
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:13:07 GMT
Knowing Liam, he's probably heard that one before Liam only "improves" Jaal's trolling. Yes, those two dorks. You know my opinion about Liam and Jaal - best bromance ever Also, it is my headcanon that Liam and Jaal get along so well because each of them is used to having that brother around. You know, THAT one. The one you want to airlock sometimes, but mostly get into all sorts of weird and exiting trouble with. Jaal definitely has more than one of these, and from what we know of Liam's family, they are also a rambunctious, affectionate, close-knit and slightly crazy clan, if that stunt with the car is any indication.
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:15:39 GMT
I meant the scene where they are forced/invited to land on Aya the first time they get there. There are only casual and professional reply options, and casual is like "We are the good guys!". Then you hear the Angaran pilots say something in their own language what sounds like they are making fun of Ryder. That's why I assumed they can understand us while we can't understand them at that time. I guess when you later talk to governor Shie they use their own translator again, but this time two ways for your benefit. Damned pilots have been talking behind Ryder's back on purpose. The Exiles had already introduced the Angara to humans. When you are walking to the HQ you hear one say "That's a human!" and Ryder's translator picked up their language due to previous encounters most likely on Kadara. They knew what Ryder was saying and were trolling them big time! Trolls, all of them. Jaal is a troll, Moshae is a troll, Evfra is a troll (just ask those two mechanics), the lookouts at the base are trolls...Seriously
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:19:43 GMT
So... if Jaal and Ryder were having a sniping contest (a la Garrus /Shepard)... would Jaal let his lady win ? Garrus was not about that life, but would Jaal? Lol Definitely not. I don't know who would win, but it would be a spirited competition. Jaal seems to be a competitive sort, is something of a show off, and besides, it wouldn't do his lady any favors if she overestimated her abilities, would it? Going easy on the ones you love is not the Resistance MO, I'd say
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:25:43 GMT
Of course they were! If there is anything we have learned about the Angara so far, it is that they love to gossip and to share their opinions, whether wanted or not Meet an unknown, possibly hostile alien race, call them an idiot (I think) and have a good laugh about them. Not sure if that is badass or stupid or both. Heh, that's what Ryder's crew does all the time, although the question, of course, still stands
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:36:17 GMT
Trolls, all of them. Jaal is a troll, Moshae is a troll, Evfra is a troll (just ask those two mechanics), the lookouts at the base are trolls...Seriously Oh I LOVED that part with Evfra! Yes, such a troll. Although I wonder just how did he hear them? Speaking of Evfra and trolling: when discussing the governor, he says with obvious appreciation how she can always be counted on to offer a spirited discussion. And if you shoot the Ancient AI, he mentions in the letter that the opinions about that are going to be divided, and that he would love to hear these arguments. With an exclamation point, no less. All of which makes me think that a) he is a big blue troll his secret hobby is trolling message boards. Which he'd justify as information gathering. Of course.
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:39:16 GMT
They need to stop making the Angara men so irresistible. I am now falling for the ambassador on the Nexus. I know, right? He has that voice. And so much poise. And sense of humor (re: Addison). And that right combination of wariness, courtesy and reason that makes you want to win him over without him ever coming across as an asshole. Damn one scene wonder.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on May 21, 2017 18:40:58 GMT
Oh man... did you see Gamble's latest tweets? They are going to dig a big hole if they are just baiting the m/m guys. Please let it be good results in the end for them. Please! What was the tweet?
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:48:40 GMT
Yes, such a troll. Although I wonder just how did he hear them? Speaking of Evfra and trolling: when discussing the governor, he says with obvious appreciation how she can always be counted on to offer a spirited discussion. And if you shoot the Ancient AI, he mentions in the letter that the opinions about that are going to be divided, and that he would love to hear these arguments. With an exclamation point, no less. All of which makes me think that a) he is a big blue troll his secret hobby is trolling message boards. Which he'd justify as information gathering. Of course. Maybe they had their comms on? He's got a playful and mischievous side to him, and I think he likes it best when Ryder is a smartass when talking to him. He likes to be challenged. I think so too. He does not mind Ryder being a pest. Through of course he is going to grumble about it, because, well, he's Evfra. And in general, I have an impression that Angara tend to appreciate a healthy dose of being a pest. At least much more than they'd appreciate polite and meaninglesss formality. The head scientist on Havarl, for example, reacted to the Professional introduction with an equivalent of raised eyebrow and "Jaal, are they all like that?"
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 18:54:43 GMT
I think so too. He does not mind Ryder being a pest. Through of course he is going to grumble about it, because, well, he's Evfra. And in general, I have an impression that Angara tend to appreciate a healthy dose of being a pest. At least much more than they'd appreciate polite and meaninglesss formality. The head scientist on Havarl, for example, reacted to the Professional introduction with an equivalent of raised eyebrow and "Jaal, are they all like that?" Same with the Resistance Commander on Voeld. If you reply casually, she likes it better. Its funny how, unlike in other Bioware games, almost no one seems to be impressed with the protagonist's title. "I am a Spectre!" - "Oooh", "I am a Grey Warden!" - "Ohhhh", "I am an Inquisitor!" - "Oooh", "I am a Pathfinder with the Initiative" - "So what?"
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on May 21, 2017 18:56:23 GMT
He favorited a tweet of a guy saying he'd pay $75 for bi Jaal. He then said the reason behind liking it was it was a clever and fun tweet and not about the money. He gave hope and shot it down in one tweet. This is pre-game media all over again. They never learn -.-
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 19:00:29 GMT
Its funny how, unlike in other Bioware games, almost no one seems to be impressed with the protagonist's title. "I am a Spectre!" - "Oooh", "I am a Grey Warden!" - "Ohhhh", "I am an Inquisitor!" - "Oooh", "I am a Pathfinder with the Initiative" - "So what?" Casual Ryder is the best! With Drack you can say "well the skies parted and the Kett keeled over" in response to what he said about that needing to happen before he rejoined the Nexus. With Jaal you get the funny handshake if you are casual too instead of the killing you in your sleep threat. I also get Tann being humble when I don't respect him and Kesh is a sassy thing haha I suspect that Casual!Ryder is the one intended to be the canon. And yes, the skies did indeed part and the Kett keeled over
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Post by Psychedelic on May 21, 2017 19:05:31 GMT
[...] And in general, I have an impression that Angara tend to appreciate a healthy dose of being a pest. At least much more than they'd appreciate polite and meaninglesss formality. The head scientist on Havarl, for example, reacted to the Professional introduction with an equivalent of raised eyebrow and "Jaal, are they all like that?" I think it has to do with growing up among at least a dozen siblings. You would need a high tolerance of bickering, teasing and competition (the more and less friendly sort) in order to survive, probably by being the biggest pest of all so you aren't lowest in the pecking order. Not speaking out of experience here, I personally find one sibling more than enough . On a completely unrelated note, when Sara has this eyeball-talk with Jaal, didn't he call her pathetic? Last time I played the scene (after the patches) it was "pitiful" instead. Thought I had remembered it wrongly, but now I read in a fanfic about the same scene "pathetic" again. Did they change it?
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 19:13:04 GMT
I suspect that Casual!Ryder is the one intended to be the canon. And yes, the skies did indeed part and the Kett keeled over It also works best during the meetings because the team is not showing Ryder any respect. I am actually embarrassed myself when Jaal joins and we have that meeting. It's just... not a good way to impress an Angaran emissary. JewlieGhoulie I know. I'm starting to get really angry. Yes, that was so very embarrassing. The meeting after Kadara is not much better, when Ryder kind of dejectedly says that meeting is adjourned. And yes, I can't imagine what kind of impression we made, and what Jaal thought of this, ahem, team. On the other hand, we did show that we are not a treat, no? Maybe?
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Post by PenDev0us on May 21, 2017 19:17:52 GMT
Ah ok, the translator worked so quickly when they arrived on Aya, I thought that in fact most Angara could speak english but didn't want to show it to the strangers because they didn't want them to understand. Yes that translator is very, very powerful and efficient, it seems... The Angara had already met some Milky Way aliens on Kadara. I think the Angara's translator worked just fine, it was just Ryder who couldn't understand them when they first met. If you choose the casual reply the Angara talk to each other and even laugh (at you, I assume), so they must have understood you. I really want to know what they found so funny. I always choose the casual reply for this reason! I just LOVE how they laugh at you... but yeah, I'd love to know what they found funny too!
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Post by PenDev0us on May 21, 2017 19:20:21 GMT
The problem with Jaal is, it's not really flirting, but blunt honesty. He only flirts directly with PeeBee, but he's actually trolling her as we find out later. Giving her a taste of her own medicine basically. With Cora, he is attracted to her body ("The mind wants what the mind wants") and the "hot" line was him asking if he was turning her on or was she just hot due to body heat. Vetra's gracefulness is also something he admires and wanted to express because he liked her flexibility. PeeBee is the only one he takes it further with at first until he sours on Asari later on. Angara in general like Asari because of their skin color. Probably since it's like the Angara's skin, so it's a natural attraction. Woooooah woah hold up, missed that for sure! When does this happen?
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Post by PenDev0us on May 21, 2017 19:22:27 GMT
I'm going to make some Jaal fanarts, I guess. If I have time. I'll post a sketch later. *waits in anticipation* :dumb:
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 19:23:34 GMT
[...] And in general, I have an impression that Angara tend to appreciate a healthy dose of being a pest. At least much more than they'd appreciate polite and meaninglesss formality. The head scientist on Havarl, for example, reacted to the Professional introduction with an equivalent of raised eyebrow and "Jaal, are they all like that?" I think it has to do with growing up among at least a dozen siblings. You would need a high tolerance of bickering, teasing and competition (the more and less friendly sort) in order to survive, probably by being the biggest pest of all so you aren't lowest in the pecking order. Not speaking out of experience here, I personally find one sibling more than enough . On a completely unrelated note, when Sara has this eyeball-talk with Jaal, didn't he call her pathetic? Last time I played the scene (after the patches) it was "pitiful" instead. Thought I had remembered it wrongly, but now I read in a fanfic about the same scene "pathetic" again. Did they change it? True, that. As I've mentioned, I think that's why Jaal gets along so well with Liam - he is used to having a sibling like that. Also, it is my headcanon that among those Angara who like Ryder, a lot of them like the Pathfinder because s/he reminds them of their siblings - every family has one of those. You know, insufferable, irreverent, smart but crazy, too young and too brave and too curious for their own good, little pest
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Post by PenDev0us on May 21, 2017 19:24:53 GMT
Knowing Liam, he's probably heard that one before Liam only "improves" Jaal's trolling. All part of their 'bro code' I'm sure~
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 19:30:11 GMT
All part of their 'bro code' I'm sure~ I love them both so much, and together they are precious! They also both love Sara dearly. I know Liam seems to sort of like her even if you don't romance him, and if you don't romance Jaal, the game tries to steer you toward him anyways. Sara's got those 2 for life! Yes, Scott will have to compete harder for the "beloved idiot little brother" place now
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Post by PenDev0us on May 21, 2017 19:32:46 GMT
Its funny how, unlike in other Bioware games, almost no one seems to be impressed with the protagonist's title. "I am a Spectre!" - "Oooh", "I am a Grey Warden!" - "Ohhhh", "I am an Inquisitor!" - "Oooh", "I am a Pathfinder with the Initiative" - "So what?" Casual Ryder is the best! With Drack you can say "well the skies parted and the Kett keeled over" in response to what he said about that needing to happen before he rejoined the Nexus. With Jaal you get the funny handshake if you are casual too instead of the killing you in your sleep threat. I also get Tann being humble when I don't respect him and Kesh is a sassy thing haha I used to do the thanks for trusting line, but honestly the welcome aboard funny handshake seemed more fitting in the end, but that might have just been because I was gunning for a slow burn romance with the guy. Slow burn as in only talk to him about one subject after each main/main-ish mission. It makes the convo you have with him where he asks you to stay a little longer to chat less sucky due to exhausting all topics!
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Post by beholderess on May 21, 2017 19:35:50 GMT
Yes, Scott will have to compete harder for the "beloved idiot little brother" place now What's funny is Liam has no siblings, Scott is the younger sibling, Jaal is the middle sibling and Sara is the older sibling in their families lol I guess they can all collectively adopt Liam as their "idiot little brother" then And in case it is not evident, I love Liam to pieces
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