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Post by kestrel on May 22, 2017 2:18:23 GMT
So replaying the OT, and I'm disappointed that Jaal doesn't seem to have any equivalent of the 'reach and flexibility' joke. DLC for better Jaal one liners, pls. I mean, he has good ones, but none as ICONIC.
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 2:20:45 GMT
1. Hell no. 2. They are the Enemy. Very simple lol. 3. To be honest I don't know. To me it's just bad to take a deal from the enemy. Could totally backfire in the future or could not. Never know with Bioware, we are just going to have to wait till later to see what happens. If you take her deal, the description in the journal specifically says that you've made a deal with the devil. In these words. There is no way in hell Bioware is not going to make it backfire But how? It is driving me crazy! Exactly. I have a feeling if Bioware does come up with some way for it to backfire. It's not going to be pretty.
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Post by Psychedelic on May 22, 2017 2:26:35 GMT
A random question: a) Do you usually take the deal Primus offers? (also, shouldn't it be Prima? She sounds feminine, or is it just me?) Why or why not? c) What do you think are the possible ways this deal can backfire on us later? I know that it has to backfire. It has to! But to me, it is always too good to not take - all that Prima wants of us is that we take Archon out of the picture, and kicking his ass is the one course of action absolutely everybody in the cluster approves of. She offers to take out her ship for... nothing. It worries me. Plus she canonically survives no matter what, so we'll definitely will be seeing her again. SAM has a female voice actress and is still called "he" (shouldn't it be "it", anyway?). Kett also don't have any reproductive organs so it could be hard to tell, maybe she was female before her exaltation, who knows. I wonder if they all have a former life or some are grown in tanks, they certainly have necessary knowledge and technology for it, but they might have ideological issues with that. BTW Primus means "first one". I don't take her offer because I so far did the quest where the Moshae asks you to speak with three Angara who witnessed the Kett invasion right before that. They all warn you the Kett make empty promises and like to use deception as tactic. As to the backfiring, I think there won't be any big consequences or, more likely, anything at all . Bioware seems to have developed a dislike for branching storyarchs that could affect too many things. As far as I can tell It has no immediate effect, either, and I can't come up with something how using the kill-code could have any lasting effects, unless something else happened there they are not telling us. What I like about her offer is that it shows they are still able to disagree, brainwashed or no. At first I thought the Kett were more similar to the Borg, not so much as a hivemind, but with no individual goals and wishes. Maybe she has more freedom in her decsions because she is relatively high-ranking. The standard Chosen doesn't need to think much on his own and I doubt they left them with the ability to do so, that would only bring trouble. Sadly they didn't expand on what Kett do in their freetime, or much on Kett culture in general.
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 2:35:38 GMT
I admit I almost took the offer, but Jaal growled and I mean GROWLED at me, so I didn't. Haha yeah that's another reason why I didn't take it. Also I have got to get that Lithograph on Bioware store of Jaal. It's so Cool. www.biowarestore.com/jaal-lithograph40 dollars ain't that bad...just got to get a frame for it.
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Post by fadburger on May 22, 2017 2:42:50 GMT
Jaal lithograph is sold out though :X
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 2:43:11 GMT
Haha yeah that's another reason why I didn't take it. Also I have got to get that Lithograph on Bioware store of Jaal. It's so Cool. www.biowarestore.com/jaal-lithograph40 dollars ain't that bad...just got to get a frame for it. He's so gorgeous! He is! It says Limited Edition 500 so I am guessing there are only 500 of these? If there are I hope there is enough left for me to pre-order one this coming Friday. EDIT: Darn it! Is it really sold out? Crap.
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 2:45:37 GMT
Jaal lithograph is sold out though :X Well it doesn't say it is. But if it is then I'm just going to have to look elsewhere for a Jaal poster.
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 2:49:30 GMT
Well...I'm just going to look elsewhere for a Jaal print. Y'know it would nice if they would put Sold out on the page lol
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 2:54:28 GMT
Wow...I'm all sorts of stupid today. Sorry I had it bookmarked. So I didn't exactly go there lol *sigh* Lovely.
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 3:01:55 GMT
Wow...I'm all sorts of stupid today. Sorry I had it bookmarked. So I didn't exactly go there lol *sigh* Lovely. Did they even advertise him on Twitter like they did Vetra or was it already too late? I rarely go on Twitter. I mean it was mentioned weeks ago about this Lithograph but I didn't have the money at the time. I just sort of forgot about it and then remembered it today lol
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 3:18:46 GMT
I rarely go on Twitter. I mean it was mentioned weeks ago about this Lithograph but I didn't have the money at the time. I just sort of forgot about it and then remembered it today lol That sucks. Vetra sold out too. They go fast sadly. Edit: Just checked and his was on Apr 27th. The copies didn't even last 2 weeks. Good Grief.....
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Post by lilyenachaos on May 22, 2017 3:48:03 GMT
Jaal just told Liam to 'fuck over' during Nomad banter after Liam made fun of his attempts at human slang.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 4:20:54 GMT
Ohhh now that I wanna see! But all the Krogan are on Elladen, and Jaal was saying how much he hates the heat... is that the same for all Angara? Well, Krogans get around, and I doubt that they'll have the patience to stay in their sinkhole forever. Home is well and good, but sometimes you need to go out and shoot something HAHA! XD isn't that what the worm's for!? (Still hoping that sucker becomes dlc)
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 4:25:19 GMT
Also, thank you all for your replies to my earlier question! I did read them and I agreed with Jaal probably not being the type to throw the game either. Angara would probably take that type of competition , especially with a loved one, really seriously haha On the subject of throwing games: Do you think Gil really let Jaal win at poker? I'm still on the fence when Gil emailed saying it was all planned...
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 4:35:46 GMT
A random question: a) Do you usually take the deal Primus offers? (also, shouldn't it be Prima? She sounds feminine, or is it just me?) Why or why not? c) What do you think are the possible ways this deal can backfire on us later? I know that it has to backfire. It has to! But to me, it is always too good to not take - all that Prima wants of us is that we take Archon out of the picture, and kicking his ass is the one course of action absolutely everybody in the cluster approves of. She offers to take out her ship for... nothing. It worries me. Plus she canonically survives no matter what, so we'll definitely will be seeing her again. A/ I didn't take the offer... because I forgot! C) It's totally possible that someone could get wind of you teaming up with a Kett, and screw your political influence in some places. -looking at you roekar(sp?) Reminds me of the OT where so long as you had certain mission choices behind you, you could get the Geth and the Quarians to work together... I can see the Kett deal being used as point against you.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 22, 2017 5:11:40 GMT
Well...I'm just going to look elsewhere for a Jaal print. Y'know it would nice if they would put Sold out on the page lol I'm not sure if you've seen this but you might like it. linkI know fadburger has bought one and I'm deciding whether I should get it myself since I missed out on the Jaal lithograph. While I know it's not from Bioware I still think it's a really beautiful print if you're just looking for any Jaal to hang on your wall. Also, thank you all for your replies to my earlier question! I did read them and I agreed with Jaal probably not being the type to throw the game either. Angara would probably take that type of competition , especially with a loved one, really seriously haha On the subject of throwing games: Do you think Gil really let Jaal win at poker? I'm still on the fence when Gil emailed saying it was all planned... Good question! I'm not sure because like LC said he had to justify it in an email, but on the other hand since Jaal would make a horrible spy and a lot of poker is bluffing and trying not to show your emotions, it kind of makes me feel like Jaal wouldn't be very good at it.... So you know what, I'm actually thinking Gil did let Jaal win.
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 5:19:13 GMT
Well...I'm just going to look elsewhere for a Jaal print. Y'know it would nice if they would put Sold out on the page lol I'm not sure if you've seen this but you might like it. linkI know fadburger has bought one and I'm deciding whether I should get it myself since I missed out on the Jaal lithograph. While I know it's not from Bioware I still think it's a really beautiful print if you're just looking for any Jaal to hang on your wall. On the subject of throwing games: Do you think Gil really let Jaal win at poker? I'm still on the fence when Gil emailed saying it was all planned... Good question. I'm not sure because like LC said, he had to justify it in an email but since Jaal would make a horrible spy and a lot of poker is bluffing and trying not to show your emotions, it kind of makes me feel like Jaal wouldn't be very good at it.... So you know what, I'm actually thinking Gil did let Jaal win. Yeah I saw that earlier. It looks really nice. I might buy that later this week.
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Post by fadburger on May 22, 2017 5:23:18 GMT
Well...I'm just going to look elsewhere for a Jaal print. Y'know it would nice if they would put Sold out on the page lol I'm not sure if you've seen this but you might like it. linkI know fadburger has bought one and I'm deciding whether I should get it myself since I missed out on the Jaal lithograph. While I know it's not from Bioware I still think it's a really beautiful print if you're just looking for any Jaal to hang on your wall. Yeah I have that Jaal print and it's very nice Good quality paper and she packaged it really nicely too~ EDIT: She's also working on some more characters so you might want to wait a little and see if you want more and get them all shipped at once.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 22, 2017 5:25:37 GMT
I'm not sure if you've seen this but you might like it. linkI know fadburger has bought one and I'm deciding whether I should get it myself since I missed out on the Jaal lithograph. While I know it's not from Bioware I still think it's a really beautiful print if you're just looking for any Jaal to hang on your wall. Yeah I have that Jaal print and it's very nice Good quality paper and she packaged it really nicely too~ ha thanks, I was just about to ask how the quality was. Believe it or not I think I actually prefer her print over the Bioware one (even though both are beautiful) EDIT: I just saw her solas one. She's going to be collecting my money soon. *sigh*
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Post by fadburger on May 22, 2017 5:43:09 GMT
Yeah I have that Jaal print and it's very nice Good quality paper and she packaged it really nicely too~ ha thanks, I was just about to ask how the quality was. Believe it or not I think I actually prefer her print over the Bioware one (even though both are beautiful) No prob xD I like the Bioware one because I think it captures Jaal just a smidge better, but I like the brighter colors/background of Aya in this one. Pros and cons xD
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Post by Gwyvian on May 22, 2017 5:54:48 GMT
A random question: a) Do you usually take the deal Primus offers? (also, shouldn't it be Prima? She sounds feminine, or is it just me?) Why or why not? c) What do you think are the possible ways this deal can backfire on us later? I know that it has to backfire. It has to! But to me, it is always too good to not take - all that Prima wants of us is that we take Archon out of the picture, and kicking his ass is the one course of action absolutely everybody in the cluster approves of. She offers to take out her ship for... nothing. It worries me. Plus she canonically survives no matter what, so we'll definitely will be seeing her again. No. For much the same reasons others have listed, it sounds like my gain vs. hers is not enough to make it worth it, plus there's no way this doesn't come back to haunt me in some way. I don't want to owe them anything, nor do I want her to owe me anything; no matter how you look at it, that's exchanging favors which looks mighty bad from some angles. I know that it isn't a trap because the enemy forces are definitely weakened at the end if you take the deal as far as I know, but no immediate consequences can be seen that really point to what she got out of it apart from clearing the way for the kett to return to "more important matters" like exalting angara and reporting home, wherever that is. However, there is, as ever, a slight possibility that the emotional and "politically correct" choice in this case may be the wrong one, who knows! I could totally see it happening that I just shot down the only real rebel kett faction and that I lose out on a big ally (sincerely doubt it, but anything is possible). Plus, I have to wonder... that kind of betrayal indicates something big going on in the kett ranks, from what I can see that is very, very abnormal behavior for them. It could be that she pulled a Loghain tactical moment there and chose not to support the "losing side" - which is sound reasoning from her point of view - but reaching out to the enemy... why on Earth (or in Andromeda) would she care to help us? She knows we're coming to kill him anyway, making it easier just or sending her troops to fight for that lost cause just to spite us just... doesn't make sense. If she was going to betray the Archon, she could have done that without our assistance, and placing bets on us defeating him would have been part of the gamble to begin with, I mean, she must have thought the Archon had a real shot at winning against us if she needs us to enter a pact with her to convince her to pull out her troops, but then I have to wonder why she would take the risk in the first place if she's that cautious. That whole thing there doesn't make sense, but I find it intriguing. I'm wondering if the Kett are possibly being manipulated by the benefactor too? They took this person to their homeworld, the benefactor arranged the AI using Jien as the visionary and suddenly they have new species to exalt? They would owe this benefactor a lot for such a "kind" deed. Unless Primus is the benefactor (it was a female voice in Alec's memory) and she was exalted. I sincerely doubt this - the Benefactor is clearly someone who knows pretty much everything before anyone else does, if s/he were exalted, they would know way more about pretty much everything and we would have arrived to find everyone at war and/or exalted, they seem much too unfamiliar with our systems and stuff; plus I don't think Primus would obtain her rank that quickly if she were a newly-minted kett (also, the different species seem to resemble each other even as kett and I've seen faces identical to hers, but there is no mention of exalting anyone just yet apart from the krogan), it felt more like she was the default second-in-command who came together with the Archon from "the Senate". However, it could be a possibility that the Benefactor is with the Initiative in the first wave (in fact I'm certain about it) and they did have opportunities to make deals with the kett... but also, not a betrayal kind of deal, because you see the result of that kind of deal with Ark Paarchero, the kett don't pussyfoot around with this sort of thing from what I've seen so far. I really want to know who the hell the Benefactor is, I'm sure it will be an awesome plot twist. Any guesses on who it could be, guys?
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Post by Gwyvian on May 22, 2017 6:22:01 GMT
Gwyvian Just a theory. Nothing solid. Might sound crazy. Want to hear it? Of course! I'm in the mood for crazy theorycrafting!
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 6:37:59 GMT
I've been looking at the sky for the past 10 minutes and the dwarves of Dragon Age are right - sky is scary. If you stare at the clouds long enough, you really start to comprehend the roundness of Earth. And I've been staring at the empty spots between the clouds and realized that I was literally staring into space. I'm not high, I swear, I just got off the phone while on the bus ride to work. And it's early.
Morning, everyone.
Back to Jaal. His timeline is a bit inconsistant with when he joined the Resistance. It says somewhere that he was 16, but in a banter with Vetra (I think) he says he joined 3 years ago. Who do I trust~
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 9:03:02 GMT
I've been looking at the sky for the past 10 minutes and the dwarves of Dragon Age are right - sky is scary. If you stare at the clouds long enough, you really start to comprehend the roundness of Earth. And I've been staring at the empty spots between the clouds and realized that I was literally staring into space. I'm not high, I swear, I just got off the phone while on the bus ride to work. And it's early. Morning, everyone. Back to Jaal. His timeline is a bit inconsistant with when he joined the Resistance. It says somewhere that he was 16, but in a banter with Vetra (I think) he says he joined 3 years ago. Who do I trust~ Most of my youth I spent gazing at the stars and sky and wondering what lies beyond. Games like ME are my daydreams come to life, but close your eyes, spin around then try and look at the sky and you will truly fear it haha Maybe meant his rank? He joined as Evfra's lieutenant 3 years ago, but was a regular solider at 16 and worked his way up? I was an aspiring astronomy nerd when I was a kid. I read books and watched documentaries and stuff. I loved stargazing at night, though I couldn't see too much because even though my city is small, the light pollution here is enough to "hide" a lot of stars. I didn't have a telescope or anything like that, I only had the little theatre binoculars that didn't magnify a whole lot, but made the moon look more detailed and it was like whoa, huge to me (yep, I was stargazing with theatre binoculars and thought it was incredible). Space is amazing. Of course I made my Sara next level astronomy (and science in general) nerd, so whenever someone asks her why she joined the AI, I always pick whichever option is nerdier, but my answer would pretty much just be "Why wouldn't I? It's Andromeda!!" The way you interpret it makes sense, it's just that the way it was worded in Vetra's banter it sounded like he just got started with the resistance 3 years ago. It's like Sara telling him she was born on Earth instead of Citadel.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 10:41:28 GMT
Looks like I am the only one who usually takes Primus' offer I know there is a catch, there has to be, and if she had asked for anything at all in return I'd tell her to get lost. Besides, the only way to actually go against her wishes would have been to not kick the Archon's ass, and that is, obviously, not an option :)So yes, I know it has to be a trap, but for the life of me I cannot see how, so I walk into it anyway. Besides, she is interesting. I mean, I wouldn't hesitate to punch her in the face, and really want to have an opportunity to do just so, but at the same time I kind of want to see more of her Also, in my first playthrough, Jaal surprisingly did not object (and I have specifically brought him along, because I am not about to chat with Kett behind his back). The one who interjected was Drack, I think, and he did not disapprove. It might be one of those first squadmate/second squadmate things? And now I'll have to wait years for the dire consequences. Damn you, Bioware
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