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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 10:43:32 GMT
Well, Krogans get around, and I doubt that they'll have the patience to stay in their sinkhole forever. Home is well and good, but sometimes you need to go out and shoot something HAHA! XD isn't that what the worm's for!? (Still hoping that sucker becomes dlc) The Krogan are still trying to figure out how to shoot that. I think they are happy to have the thing around. Just like home
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 10:45:24 GMT
Good morning everyone. Ugh, it's Monday. We shall get through this. I can't recall if it was mentioned somewhere in the game, but Jaal and Aksul were students of the Moesha at the same time, correct? Did they get along? I know that Aksul was the adept and Jaal struggled, but were they friends while they were students? And if so, could that be why Aksul never really meant to shoot Jaal? Do you think he was more hurt by Jaal's "betrayal" than angry, if so?
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 11:00:38 GMT
Good morning everyone. Ugh, it's Monday. We shall get through this. I can't recall if it was mentioned somewhere in the game, but Jaal and Aksul were students of the Moesha at the same time, correct? Did they get along? I know that Aksul was the adept and Jaal struggled, but were they friends while they were students? And if so, could that be why Aksul never really meant to shoot Jaal? Do you think he was more hurt by Jaal's "betrayal" than angry, if so? Nah, Jaal says that they'd never gotten along, if you say "I didn't mean to make my enemies yours" after Akksul's vidcall.
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Post by Aeclaey on May 22, 2017 11:03:16 GMT
Looks like I am the only one who usually takes Primus' offer I know there is a catch, there has to be, and if she had asked for anything at all in return I'd tell her to get lost. Besides, the only way to actually go against her wishes would have been to not kick the Archon's ass, and that is, obviously, not an option :)So yes, I know it has to be a trap, but for the life of me I cannot see how, so I walk into it anyway. Besides, she is interesting. I mean, I wouldn't hesitate to punch her in the face, and really want to have an opportunity to do just so, but at the same time I kind of want to see more of her Also, in my first playthrough, Jaal surprisingly did not object (and I have specifically brought him along, because I am not about to chat with Kett behind his back). The one who interjected was Drack, I think, and he did not disapprove. It might be one of those first squadmate/second squadmate things? And now I'll have to wait years for the dire consequences. Damn you, Bioware I remember doing that quest but Jaal in my playthrough seemed very against the idea and urge Ryder to not to make any hasty decisions. He objected as soon as the offer was made. I also think that it depends on which squadmate you´d bring and as you said; if it is the first or second. I think I had Vetra or Peebee. Oh, yeah I´m not looking forword waiting years for answer or consequences of the choices either. Worst part of it all; especially when I really want to know everything.
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 11:05:50 GMT
Good morning everyone. Ugh, it's Monday. We shall get through this. I can't recall if it was mentioned somewhere in the game, but Jaal and Aksul were students of the Moesha at the same time, correct? Did they get along? I know that Aksul was the adept and Jaal struggled, but were they friends while they were students? And if so, could that be why Aksul never really meant to shoot Jaal? Do you think he was more hurt by Jaal's "betrayal" than angry, if so? Nah, Jaal says that they'd never gotten along, if you say "I didn't mean to make my enemies yours" after Akksul's vidcall. Instead of the flirt? If so, that may be why I don't remember that. >.> lol Thanks.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 11:09:56 GMT
Good morning everyone. Ugh, it's Monday. We shall get through this. I can't recall if it was mentioned somewhere in the game, but Jaal and Aksul were students of the Moesha at the same time, correct? Did they get along? I know that Aksul was the adept and Jaal struggled, but were they friends while they were students? And if so, could that be why Aksul never really meant to shoot Jaal? Do you think he was more hurt by Jaal's "betrayal" than angry, if so? Jaal has more than a few jabs to say about Akksul, but, knowing Jaal, that should not be taken as an indication that they weren't friends. They probably were. Akksul is charismatic, and Jaal is acknowledged in-universe as someone who makes friends easily. Still, I'd say that Jaal took one heck of a gamble by betting that Akksul would be both mad enough to shoot and still care about him enough to miss. Is he that good at reading people? Maybe. Jaal is bad at lying, but he is a good judge of character - thats the reason he was sent with the crew to begin with. Unless Jaal didn't really expect Akksul to shoot and miss, and instead expected him to either not shoot (and thus proving that he lacked conviction) or shoot to kill (and thus proving himself a murderer). Jaal is... not cautious
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Post by ashkevronangel on May 22, 2017 11:27:12 GMT
I don't think it's Jaal is 100% straight. It's that Jaal is clearly intended as a character to appeal to women. Jaalmance plays out like a woman's romance novel. I'm not a gay man, but I've been told that you can tell when a fan fiction about m/m romance has been written by a girl who's writing to appeal to other girls VS an a gay man writing the same thing to appeal to other gay men. Maybe it's like that. For example, Japan has a lot of graphic novels involving gay male couples, but the books are intended for a female audience, and it is very clearly so. It's not that a gay man can't enjoy it, but it's clear women, not gay men, are the intended target audience. I'd say the same thing about certain pornography. There's plenty of f/f porn out there--clearly made for straight male consumption. Maybe lesbian women can enjoy it, but then there is f/f porn that is also specifically made for lesbians. Perhaps I notice this because I am female and not white, so I'm used to being exluded or erased from mainstream culture, so when I see something is targeting me as the intended target audience, I notice quickly. I'm gay and most of the m/m romance I enjoy and prefer have been written by women, be it in manga or in romantic fantasy. I would have loved to have been able to enjoy Jaal's sweet-natured and earnest romance too. Finding out that it was exactly the sort of romance that I've starving for after finding out that I wasn't allowed to take part in it really stung. We never get that kind of romance in a game.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 11:38:06 GMT
Trying to play a Professional!Ryder. Got to the top of the certain tower. "I am Ryder, Pathfinder with the Initiative!" - "That does not explain how you've got here. Anyway, go away"
Nobody in this game ever buys it if you try to introduce yourself formally. Nobody. I hope somebody makes a video compilation of all the times Ryder uses "Pathfinder with the Initiative" line and gets an unimpressed response.
I strongly suspect that Casual! personality is the way that game is intended to be played
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 12:05:46 GMT
So, here's Drack talking about the engineering prodigy that was little Kesh, and the first time she got her grabby hands on the toolbox - Just thinking about the first time Kesh got her hands on a toolkit. Let's see, the first time - yeah, it was a power generator. She took it apart. With the blunt side! - Ryder: Wouldn't that cause shorts or something? - She liked the fireworks. You can imagine what it was like when she figured out that cracking open bigger things made even bigger sparks! And now I imagine Jaal approaching her with the question he pesters everybody with - "So... what do you do for fun?" - and finally getting a satisfactory answer
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 15:56:15 GMT
It's like most of the lesbian romances in Mass effect or other games are clearly targeted to straight males who enjoy that... I remember ME3 which had almost nothing for straight women. Sometimes you could end up with NOTHING if you were a straight woman.
- I didn't like Kaidan at all, and you could have a risk not romancing him anyway if he died in your ME1 - You could not romance Garrus if you didn't start the romance in ME2 or if you could not import your saved game - If you romanced Thane (like I did), you barely see him in ME3, a little kiss and after nothing "I'm too tired for another kiss" (WHAT?) - If you romanced other guys in ME2, if they were not in ME3 anymore you were forced to stay single because the others had to be romanced in ME2 first (Garrus for ex.)
Male gamers had way more options. I even think that in ME3 at least gay gamers had more options than female straight gamers.
So I understand the frustration of gay men of having only a few options in ME Andromeda, because I felt the same way in ME3...
(Hey, about other Bioware romances, I liked Cullen's romance very much)
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 16:00:29 GMT
Just made this list in another Jaal thread and it struck me why his romance is my fav. He's the opposite of every romance in any other BW game I ever played! Here's the list quoted: "Can't speak for others but for me it's nice to have a guy that's not: A Prince/soon-to-be King in disguise who will dump you unless you are a human noble An assassin sent to kill you and can betray you if you aren't good enough friends A former slave who won't stop ranting about mage hate A guy who blows up a holy place A guy who murdered a family and then hid his identity A guy into BDSM A guy who has an addiction and sufferers from PTSD A guy planning to destroy the world A guy who is dying A guy who cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant A guy who chases you all over, asks to be with you even if you just lost a lover and calls you a traitor Garrus is the only one not in that list but even he had heavy baggage by ME2. Jaal wants your trust. That's it. He comes from a famous family, but you don't have to be a certain way to end up with him. He's got a loving family. He's not dying. He's loyal. He respects you as a leader. He did have a past lover, but he doesn't drag her into every conversation. His sex scene is about pleasing the one he loves. Rare and special for many women. He doesn't like the idea of blowing things up and killing innocent people. Basically he's the opposite of every BW romance I had to endure." Well, to be honest, Zevran is my favourite of all Bioware romances - I have a weakness for turning former opponents into friends. Plus I like that his friendship route is just as satisfying as romance. As for Iron Bull, he, let's say, matches my preferences But good points otherwise. Especially in DA2, where only Isabella was more or less sane, and even that is stretching it. Aside of Isabella, in DA we have a person of mass destruction who is too willfully blind to avoid people dying around her, a terrorist, a guy who would kill my Hawke if she as much as looks at him wrong (I just can't avoid playing mages in DA games, I'm sorry), and someone who would declare war on Hawke because, surprise, Hawke is not too keen on killing party members
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 16:07:08 GMT
It's like most of the lesbian romances in Mass effect or other games are clearly targeted to straight males who enjoy that... I remember ME3 which had almost nothing for straight women. Sometimes who could end up with NOTHING if you were a straight woman. - I didn't like Kaidan at all, and you could have a risk not romancing him anyway if he died in your ME1 - You could not romance Garrus if you didn't start the romance in ME2 or if you could not import your saved game - If you romanced Thane (like I did), you barely see him in ME3, a little kiss and after nothing "I'm too tired for another kiss" (WHAT?) - If you romanced other guys in ME2, if they were not in ME3 anymore you were forced to stay single because the others had to be romanced in ME2 first (Garrus for ex.) Male gamers had way more options. I even think that in ME3 at least gay gamers had more options than female straight gamers. So I understand the frustration of gay men of having only a few options in ME Andromeda, because I felt the same way in ME3... This so much!!! Gay men have it the worst, straight females have it the second worst. Also lesbians are not that impressed either since much of the f/f is for straight males (like the Sara/PeeBee scene). Sera was a rare one with her sex scene in DAI. Well in ME3 gay men had Kaidan or Cortez, and straight females had Kaidan or Garrus, so if we both killed off Kaidan, all we had were Cortez and Garrus and that was it. No you could not even have Garrus if you didn't start his romance in ME2. If your Kaidan is dead (I really don't like him anyway) and if you didn't romance Garrus in ME2, you had no one as a straight female. Cortez is for males only, so you could easily end up with NOTHING like I did. It was so dissapointing. So gay men had more options than straight women in ME3, they had Cortez and Kaidan and could start a romance with them directly in ME3, while FemShep could only start a romance with Kaidan only (and only if he is still alive and if she didn't romance Thane for example). In my situation I couldn't even romance Kaidan. At least in Dragon age you can break up with people, like in normal life, you're not stuck in the same romance for multiple games.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 16:07:16 GMT
As I keep pointing out, MEA party members are remarkably sane and likeable people. The only one that needs help getting over her issues is Peebee (the others do need help, but not in the "let's put a damaged person back together" kind of way), and even that is tolerable - plus I love how Peebee hangs the lampshade on the whole trope
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 22, 2017 16:10:30 GMT
Good morning everyone. Ugh, it's Monday. We shall get through this. I can't recall if it was mentioned somewhere in the game, but Jaal and Aksul were students of the Moesha at the same time, correct? Did they get along? I know that Aksul was the adept and Jaal struggled, but were they friends while they were students? And if so, could that be why Aksul never really meant to shoot Jaal? Do you think he was more hurt by Jaal's "betrayal" than angry, if so? I was under the impression that is why Akksul was even part of Jaal's story to begin with. They were more than just students together, maybe not best friends but still in the same situation for a while. You get close to one another, and, in Akksul's perspective, Jaal betrayed their friendship by joining the MW team. However, I felt that if this was the case, Akksul should hate the Moshae as well.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 16:12:27 GMT
Females always had bad luck with Bioware romances. I think it was BG2 that pretty much introduced the concept, and it had 3 options for males and 1 - yes, 1 - option for females. Said option for females was a boring jerkass with a personality of a brick.
Thanks modders for Edwin and Haer'Dalis romance - the last one, I have been waiting for for 10 years since high school!
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Post by kestrel on May 22, 2017 16:15:40 GMT
Good morning everyone. Ugh, it's Monday. We shall get through this. I can't recall if it was mentioned somewhere in the game, but Jaal and Aksul were students of the Moesha at the same time, correct? Did they get along? I know that Aksul was the adept and Jaal struggled, but were they friends while they were students? And if so, could that be why Aksul never really meant to shoot Jaal? Do you think he was more hurt by Jaal's "betrayal" than angry, if so? I was under the impression that is why Akksul was even part of Jaal's story to begin with. They were more than just students together, maybe not best friends but still in the same situation for a while. You get close to one another, and, in Akksul's perspective, Jaal betrayed their friendship by joining the MW team. However, I felt that if this was the case, Akksul should hate the Moshae as well. To be fair, vaguely genocidal leaders aren't known for their rational thinking.
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 16:19:18 GMT
But you do not know in ME2 that you need to romance Garrus to get him in mE3, because ME3 was not released yet! I chose Thane because I liked him too, I didn't know that I would be stuck like this with no romance in ME3. It's like a punishment for choosing Thane. I wanted so much to romance Garrus in ME1 and it was not possible, and in ME2 when he started to talk about the sex he had with his ex... I don't know, it cooled me down. A man talking to me about his ex and him having sex or his past conquests is not something positive in a flirt for me, it doesn't seduce me AT ALL (Jaal's sad story is different, he's not giving details of sex scenes or showing off or whatever) So I kept Garrus as a bromance and it was cool like that, and went with Thane (who kept talking about his wife, dammit, can't you guys stop talking about your ex for a while?) (at least Cullen and Alistair didn't have an ex to talk about)
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 16:27:02 GMT
But you do not know in ME2 that you need to romance Garrus to get him in mE3, because ME3 was not released yet! I chose Thane because I liked him too, I didn't know that I would be stuck like this with no romance in ME3. It's like a punishment for choosing Thane. I wanted so much to romance Garrus in ME1 and it was not possible, and in ME2 when he started to talk about the sex he had with his ex... I don't know, it cooled me down. A man talking to me about his ex and him having sex or his past conquests is not something positive in a flirt for me, it doesn't seduce me AT ALL (Jaal's sad story is different, he's not giving details of sex scenes or showing off or whatever) So I kept Garrus as a bromance and it was cool like that, and went with Thane (who kept talking about his wife, dammit, can't you guys stop talking about your ex for a while?) (at least Cullen and Alistair didn't have an ex to talk about) Oh haha ouch! That must have been awful! Yeah the ex-talk is a bit off-putting. Jaal at least talks of it once with you, once with Drack and then that's it. He never compares her to you, or talks of his love for her when he's with you. He even says he's never felt for anyone the way he does Sara, so right there he's let Allia go. Ha, seriously, what's up with guys bringing up their exes? I don't care about anybody's sex life, but, honestly, that's what turned me off Thane. I am not a replacement goldfish
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 16:30:45 GMT
Ha, seriously, what's up with guys bringing up their exes? I don't care about anybody's sex life, but, honestly, that's what turned me off Thane. I am not a replacement goldfish Haha well to be fair, Sara asks Jaal. The others just bring it up on their own. BW still has the famous "Let's talk about how they lost their ex, then have the PC jump their bones" theme, but maybe that'll eventually stop someday. Speaking of bad romances, females also get hit with THE WORST Bioware romance, namely, Jacob. Ugh. Whoever thought writing that was a good idea?
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 16:31:53 GMT
Yeah and I didn't go with Garrus because the "ex" discussions put me off, and then I romance Thane and discover he talks all the time about his ex wife. Raah.
When I heard (first with Drack) Jaal's girlfriend story, I was thinking "oh, no, not AGAIN". But he says he was really young and there was just a kiss it seems, it was a teenager crush that hurt him badly, but he gets over it and doesn't seem to talk about her all the time or compare Ryder to her, so... that's better...
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 16:33:26 GMT
I never dared try Jacob, haha, his "romance" has such a bad reputation I didn't even want to try...
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 16:34:22 GMT
I never dared try Jacob, haha, his "romance" has such a bad reputation I didn't even want to try... Trust me, you do not want to know
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Post by Aeclaey on May 22, 2017 16:38:40 GMT
Straight female options weren't that great in the trilogy. They wonderful characters, yes but for some reason there was always something negative, or a drawback with their character arch. Being betrayal, death or some kind of heartbreak that often became the center; the main focus of the romance storyline. Andromeda for once went at a different direction, which I´m glad for. It was a nice change from the previous romance options. Jaal has a honesty and transparency about him, and that is what made me love his character and romance. It´s attributes that perhaps really hasn´t been explored much in the past with bioware characters.With Jaal; you know where you stand. He is forthcoming with his affections and does not hide them. To me, that is a very attractive quality. As for past romance options; thane was my favorite yes, but hated how his character arch ended because there was no way to prevent it. Its refreshing that for once; that the romance was not characterized by heartbreak, death and betrayal. There can be drama sure; but it don´t need to overshadow the romance arch; which in Jaal´s case it doesn't.
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 16:40:16 GMT
Yeah and I didn't go with Garrus because the "ex" discussions put me off, and then I romance Thane and discover he talks all the time about his ex wife. Raah. When I heard (first with Drack) Jaal's girlfriend story, I was thinking "oh, no, not AGAIN". But he says he was really young and there was just a kiss it seems, it was a teenager crush that hurt him badly, but he gets over it and doesn't seem to talk about her all the time or compare Ryder to her, so... that's better... Yeah it's been a debate here if Jaal is a virgin or not. I lean toward virgin since after Allia, the girls gushing over him on Aya said he's dense, impervious to flirting and is single. He had a crush on Avela, but nothing happened. She wasn't aware of him at all. 12 years is a long time to stay single, but Jaal seems to see sex as something to do after confessing love, and he's never loved anyone since Allia. If he was about casual sex, I would think in his bedroom he would have tried to press Sara into it or something more sensual than a kiss, but he doesn't. He just wants to hold her hand. Yes I see him like that, too. It seems I always fall for the virgin men in my games (Alistair, Cullen, Jaal) maybe it's because that's more romantic to me (the idea of "waiting for the right person" and "doing it only if love is involved and only with someone I can really trust and who understands me").
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Onecrazymonkey1
"A person of any mental quality has ideas of his own. This is common sense." Franz Liszt
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onecrazymonkey1
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 22, 2017 16:40:55 GMT
Oh haha ouch! That must have been awful! Yeah the ex-talk is a bit off-putting. Jaal at least talks of it once with you, once with Drack and then that's it. He never compares her to you, or talks of his love for her when he's with you. He even says he's never felt for anyone the way he does Sara, so right there he's let Allia go. Ha, seriously, what's up with guys bringing up their exes? I don't care about anybody's sex life, but, honestly, that's what turned me off Thane. I am not a replacement goldfish As much as I hate the dead ex trope and how they all talk about it, Thane was probably one of the few I was forgiving of when it came to this and it probably had to do with the fact that he couldn't help not bring it up, since drell have their perfect recall memory. There's also with the fact that if you turn him down he says something quite beautiful; when shep tells him she wouldn't be able to replace Irikah he says "You wouldn't have, you can love more than one in a lifetime, I'll respect your wises. I hope it wont offend you if I carry you in my heart." Sorry, I just had a gush moment as he was my guy but for the most part I agree with with you. Hearing about past relationships might always be an unfortunate side effect of drell romances though.
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