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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 16:44:36 GMT
I don't think it's Jaal is 100% straight. It's that Jaal is clearly intended as a character to appeal to women. Jaalmance plays out like a woman's romance novel. I'm not a gay man, but I've been told that you can tell when a fan fiction about m/m romance has been written by a girl who's writing to appeal to other girls VS an a gay man writing the same thing to appeal to other gay men. Maybe it's like that. For example, Japan has a lot of graphic novels involving gay male couples, but the books are intended for a female audience, and it is very clearly so. It's not that a gay man can't enjoy it, but it's clear women, not gay men, are the intended target audience. I'd say the same thing about certain pornography. There's plenty of f/f porn out there--clearly made for straight male consumption. Maybe lesbian women can enjoy it, but then there is f/f porn that is also specifically made for lesbians. Perhaps I notice this because I am female and not white, so I'm used to being exluded or erased from mainstream culture, so when I see something is targeting me as the intended target audience, I notice quickly. I'm gay and most of the m/m romance I enjoy and prefer have been written by women, be it in manga or in romantic fantasy. I would have loved to have been able to enjoy Jaal's sweet-natured and earnest romance too. Finding out that it was exactly the sort of romance that I've starving for after finding out that I wasn't allowed to take part in it really stung. We never get that kind of romance in a game. Who is in your avi? *eyelashes flutter* lol I really find it painful to think about how poor the choices are for gay players, both gay and lesbian. Gay men get hardly any story or they get someone who is "flashy" and "dresses well" and is a bit of a player, though I have to say Gil doesn't fit those molds as far as I know (based on his dialogue with female Ryder - but his story is still lacking!) OR as lesbians they get something that is completely geared towards the male gaze. Again, I don't know about the Suvi romance because I haven't spoiled myself by watching the romance scenes for other characters so I'm hoping that's more romantic than "girl on girl". I know all of this has been said before so I will not say much more on this except that I really, really, really, REALLY want to share the Jaal romance and have more people that like this sort of romance get to have it. Partly to share the gush , but also because that would be awesome and would be such a breath of fresh air to have that kind of KISA romance available to all players.
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 16:47:58 GMT
Who is in your avi? *eyelashes flutter* lol I really find it painful to think about how poor the choices are for gay players, both gay and lesbian. Gay men get hardly any story or they get someone who is "flashy" and "dresses well" and is a bit of a player, though I have to say Gil doesn't fit those molds as far as I know (based on his dialogue with female Ryder - but his story is still lacking!) OR as lesbians they get something that is completely geared towards the male gaze. Again, I don't know about the Suvi romance because I haven't spoiled myself by watching the romance scenes for other characters so I'm hoping that's more romantic than "girl on girl". I know all of this has been said before so I will not say much more on this except that I really, really, really, REALLY want to share the Jaal romance and have more people that like this sort of romance get to have it. Partly to share the gush , but also because that would be awesome and would be such a breath of fresh air to have that kind of KISA romance available to all players. Suvi's romance has no sex scene. Well that's not cool then . I mean, a romantic scene would be sweet. Geared towards female players. Thanks for letting me know.
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 16:52:26 GMT
Good morning! It's a holiday in Canada (Victoria Day)! ashkevronangel I feel awful for you. I have wanted a romance like Jaals' forever and finally got it after so many years of waiting. I wish BW understood some guys would enjoy it too. Lady, my husband is Canadian so I vicariously celebrate it though... I say this as I sit at work. :| AND, he's working too since we live in Buffalo LOL.
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 16:55:05 GMT
Just made this list in another Jaal thread and it struck me why his romance is my fav. He's the opposite of every romance in any other BW game I ever played! Here's the list quoted: "Can't speak for others but for me it's nice to have a guy that's not: A Prince/soon-to-be King in disguise who will dump you unless you are a human noble An assassin sent to kill you and can betray you if you aren't good enough friends A former slave who won't stop ranting about mage hate A guy who blows up a holy place A guy who murdered a family and then hid his identity A guy into BDSM A guy who has an addiction and sufferers from PTSD A guy planning to destroy the world A guy who is dying A guy who cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant A guy who chases you all over, asks to be with you even if you just lost a lover and calls you a traitor Garrus is the only one not in that list but even he had heavy baggage by ME2. Jaal wants your trust. That's it. He comes from a famous family, but you don't have to be a certain way to end up with him. He's got a loving family. He's not dying. He's loyal. He respects you as a leader. He did have a past lover, but he doesn't drag her into every conversation. His sex scene is about pleasing the one he loves. Rare and special for many women. He doesn't like the idea of blowing things up and killing innocent people. Basically he's the opposite of every BW romance I had to endure." I nearly choked on my lunch laughing at A guy who blows up a holy place
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 17:04:44 GMT
Good morning everyone. Ugh, it's Monday. We shall get through this. I can't recall if it was mentioned somewhere in the game, but Jaal and Aksul were students of the Moesha at the same time, correct? Did they get along? I know that Aksul was the adept and Jaal struggled, but were they friends while they were students? And if so, could that be why Aksul never really meant to shoot Jaal? Do you think he was more hurt by Jaal's "betrayal" than angry, if so? I was under the impression that is why Akksul was even part of Jaal's story to begin with. They were more than just students together, maybe not best friends but still in the same situation for a while. You get close to one another, and, in Akksul's perspective, Jaal betrayed their friendship by joining the MW team. However, I felt that if this was the case, Akksul should hate the Moshae as well. I could see Akksul cutting the Moshae some slack for her cooperation with the MW people because she was rescued by them (and he may not admit it but he's probably grateful that is how it turned out because he loves her.) But Jaal actually joins the MW crew, so that would seem more like a betrayal. He's really also got a soft side as evidenced by his email to Ryder after Jaal's LM (if you don't shoot him, of course )
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 17:07:34 GMT
On the subject of throwing games: Do you think Gil really let Jaal win at poker? I'm still on the fence when Gil emailed saying it was all planned... Good question! I'm not sure because like LC said he had to justify it in an email, but on the other hand since Jaal would make a horrible spy and a lot of poker is bluffing and trying not to show your emotions, it kind of makes me feel like Jaal wouldn't be very good at it.... So you know what, I'm actually thinking Gil did let Jaal win. Yeah, both LC and your opinions are exactly what I was thinking... and is exactly why I'm still on the fence! Gah now I want a poker game with everyone like in Inquisition
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 17:14:46 GMT
Just made this list in another Jaal thread and it struck me why his romance is my fav. He's the opposite of every romance in any other BW game I ever played! Here's the list quoted: "Can't speak for others but for me it's nice to have a guy that's not: A Prince/soon-to-be King in disguise who will dump you unless you are a human noble An assassin sent to kill you and can betray you if you aren't good enough friends A former slave who won't stop ranting about mage hate A guy who blows up a holy place A guy who murdered a family and then hid his identity A guy into BDSM A guy who has an addiction and sufferers from PTSD A guy planning to destroy the world A guy who is dying A guy who cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant A guy who chases you all over, asks to be with you even if you just lost a lover and calls you a traitor Garrus is the only one not in that list but even he had heavy baggage by ME2. Jaal wants your trust. That's it. He comes from a famous family, but you don't have to be a certain way to end up with him. He's got a loving family. He's not dying. He's loyal. He respects you as a leader. He did have a past lover, but he doesn't drag her into every conversation. His sex scene is about pleasing the one he loves. Rare and special for many women. He doesn't like the idea of blowing things up and killing innocent people. Basically he's the opposite of every BW romance I had to endure." You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Jaal is a dream come true. Finally Bioware created an LI who isn't all the above of what you said. Also don't you just love how Jaals feet curl when he runs or walks? It's Adorable. Yeah that last one came out of no where but I have been looking at a pic of Jaal's feet doing that on Tumblr.
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 17:18:54 GMT
But you do not know in ME2 that you need to romance Garrus to get him in mE3, because ME3 was not released yet! I chose Thane because I liked him too, I didn't know that I would be stuck like this with no romance in ME3. It's like a punishment for choosing Thane. I wanted so much to romance Garrus in ME1 and it was not possible, and in ME2 when he started to talk about the sex he had with his ex... I don't know, it cooled me down. A man talking to me about his ex and him having sex or his past conquests is not something positive in a flirt for me, it doesn't seduce me AT ALL (J aal's sad story is different, he's not giving details of sex scenes or showing off or whatever)
So I kept Garrus as a bromance and it was cool like that, and went with Thane (who kept talking about his wife, dammit, can't you guys stop talking about your ex for a while?) (at least Cullen and Alistair didn't have an ex to talk about) And Ryder asks him in that moment if he has any mates, so he's answering her question. He does mention it to Drack in the Rover but I discount a lot of his ill timed vocalizations in the Rover - like how often he flirts with other women when my Ryder has already established a romance with him.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 17:20:40 GMT
I could see Akksul cutting the Moshae some slack for her cooperation with the MW people because she was rescued by them (and he may not admit it but he's probably grateful that is how it turned out because he loves her.) But Jaal actually joins the MW crew, so that would seem more like a betrayal. He's really also got a soft side as evidenced by his email to Ryder after Jaal's LM (if you don't shoot him, of course ) That email legit made me "AWW" out loud. For real.
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 17:23:59 GMT
I never dared try Jacob, haha, his "romance" has such a bad reputation I didn't even want to try... Trust me, you do not want to know What game is Jacob from? So I can avoid it LOL
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Post by kestrel on May 22, 2017 17:24:52 GMT
Jacob is in ME2/ME3. And sorry, but Jaal still doesnt' hold a candle to Garrus.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 17:27:11 GMT
Gahh I need to get back into ME:A. I stopped playing and switched to Elite: Dangerous for a bit because I was skipping past all the dialogue... (think I replayed a little too soon). Maybe I should pull out my morally questionable biotic so I have 2 playstyles to switch between to keep things a bit more 'fresh'.
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Post by lilyenachaos on May 22, 2017 17:30:25 GMT
Just made this list in another Jaal thread and it struck me why his romance is my fav. He's the opposite of every romance in any other BW game I ever played! Here's the list quoted: "Can't speak for others but for me it's nice to have a guy that's not: A Prince/soon-to-be King in disguise who will dump you unless you are a human noble An assassin sent to kill you and can betray you if you aren't good enough friends A former slave who won't stop ranting about mage hate A guy who blows up a holy place A guy who murdered a family and then hid his identity A guy into BDSMA guy who has an addiction and sufferers from PTSD A guy planning to destroy the world A guy who is dying A guy who cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant A guy who chases you all over, asks to be with you even if you just lost a lover and calls you a traitor Garrus is the only one not in that list but even he had heavy baggage by ME2. Jaal wants your trust. That's it. He comes from a famous family, but you don't have to be a certain way to end up with him. He's got a loving family. He's not dying. He's loyal. He respects you as a leader. He did have a past lover, but he doesn't drag her into every conversation. His sex scene is about pleasing the one he loves. Rare and special for many women. He doesn't like the idea of blowing things up and killing innocent people. Basically he's the opposite of every BW romance I had to endure." Not a negative in my book. :oki:
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 17:31:22 GMT
Jacob is in ME2/ME3. And sorry, but Jaal still doesnt' hold a candle to Garrus. Garrus holds my heart because of his ultimate loyalty. He is the one who would follow Shepard to hell and back, gladly, and never forgot her in two years she was dead. When everybody turned their back on her, he would watch her back, always. That's the kind of loyalty I expect from a friend - or lover. Who they sleep/flirt with is irrelevant to me As Jaal is only featured in one game so far, we shall see if he would prove to be similarly loyal
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 17:31:39 GMT
Trust me, you do not want to know What game is Jacob from? So I can avoid it LOL I made the mistake of comparing his lips to Oscar from shark tale. After that, I could never get over his 'fish lips'
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 17:33:32 GMT
Just made this list in another Jaal thread and it struck me why his romance is my fav. He's the opposite of every romance in any other BW game I ever played! Here's the list quoted: "Can't speak for others but for me it's nice to have a guy that's not: A Prince/soon-to-be King in disguise who will dump you unless you are a human noble An assassin sent to kill you and can betray you if you aren't good enough friends A former slave who won't stop ranting about mage hate A guy who blows up a holy place A guy who murdered a family and then hid his identity A guy into BDSMA guy who has an addiction and sufferers from PTSD A guy planning to destroy the world A guy who is dying A guy who cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant A guy who chases you all over, asks to be with you even if you just lost a lover and calls you a traitor Garrus is the only one not in that list but even he had heavy baggage by ME2. Jaal wants your trust. That's it. He comes from a famous family, but you don't have to be a certain way to end up with him. He's got a loving family. He's not dying. He's loyal. He respects you as a leader. He did have a past lover, but he doesn't drag her into every conversation. His sex scene is about pleasing the one he loves. Rare and special for many women. He doesn't like the idea of blowing things up and killing innocent people. Basically he's the opposite of every BW romance I had to endure." Not a negative in my book. :oki: The same! Although I wish there was an option for the PC to be a dom:) Zevran is the closest I've seen who is willing to sub for the PC, but unfortunately, it remains a flirty banter joke. One day...
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 17:33:43 GMT
Ha, seriously, what's up with guys bringing up their exes? I don't care about anybody's sex life, but, honestly, that's what turned me off Thane. I am not a replacement goldfish As much as I hate the dead ex trope and how they all talk about it, Thane was probably one of the few I was forgiving of when it came to this. It probably had to do with the fact that he couldn't help not bring it up, since drell have their prefect recall memory. Also with the fact that if you turn him down he says something quite beautiful; when shep tells him she wouldn't be able to replace Irikah he says "You wouldn't have, you can love more than one in a lifetime, I'll respect your wises. I hope it wont offend you if I carry you in my heart." Sorry, I just had a gush moment as he was my guy but for the most part I agree with with you. Hearing about past relationships might always be an unfortunate side effect of drell romances though. That Thane line Not that I would ever get it in any of my games though Also, "When no-one else competes for your eyes, I will be here" *fans self* Back to Jaal and Akksul - I don't think they ever hated each other, they may have had a rivalry thing going on, a la Sasuke and Naruto early on. Though I don't think they were ever "buddies" either. Jaal does feel bad for him about what he went through with the Kett, and I think he is understanding about his reasons for resenting the Resistance. He also admires Ryder's courage if s/he wants to reason with Akksul. And it's just my headcanon, but I don't think the whole martyrdom thing was the only reason Jaal didn't want to kill Akksul - he may have just felt genuine sympathy for the guy.
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Post by lilyenachaos on May 22, 2017 17:36:51 GMT
As much as I hate the dead ex trope and how they all talk about it, Thane was probably one of the few I was forgiving of when it came to this. It probably had to do with the fact that he couldn't help not bring it up, since drell have their prefect recall memory. Also with the fact that if you turn him down he says something quite beautiful; when shep tells him she wouldn't be able to replace Irikah he says "You wouldn't have, you can love more than one in a lifetime, I'll respect your wises. I hope it wont offend you if I carry you in my heart." Sorry, I just had a gush moment as he was my guy but for the most part I agree with with you. Hearing about past relationships might always be an unfortunate side effect of drell romances though. That Thane line Not that I would ever get it in any of my games though Also, "When no-one else competes for your eyes, I will be here" *fans self* Back to Jaal and Akksul - I don't think they ever hated each other, they may have had a rivalry thing going on, a la Sasuke and Naruto early on. Though I don't think they were ever "buddies" either. Jaal does feel bad for him about what he went through with the Kett, and I think he is understanding about his reasons for resenting the Resistance. He also admires Ryder's courage if s/he wants to reason with Akksul. And it's just my headcanon, but I don't think the whole martyrdom thing was the only reason Jaal didn't want to kill Akksul - he may have just felt genuine sympathy towards him. I hold out hope they will someday make another character we can romance similar to Thane. Sexy, dat voice, deadly, older, confident etc...just without the dead wife, teenage son, and dying bit. I'd so be all over that.
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 17:40:13 GMT
That Thane line Not that I would ever get it in any of my games though Also, "When no-one else competes for your eyes, I will be here" *fans self* Back to Jaal and Akksul - I don't think they ever hated each other, they may have had a rivalry thing going on, a la Sasuke and Naruto early on. Though I don't think they were ever "buddies" either. Jaal does feel bad for him about what he went through with the Kett, and I think he is understanding about his reasons for resenting the Resistance. He also admires Ryder's courage if s/he wants to reason with Akksul. And it's just my headcanon, but I don't think the whole martyrdom thing was the only reason Jaal didn't want to kill Akksul - he may have just felt genuine sympathy towards him. I hold out hope they will someday make another character we can romance similar to Thane. Sexy, dat voice, deadly, older, confident etc...just without the dead wife, teenage son, and dying bit. I'd so be all over that. I was so ready for the awkward stepson/mother stuff with Kolyat tbh, though I knew I'd never get anything like that
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Post by janalilith on May 22, 2017 17:42:58 GMT
As much as I hate the dead ex trope and how they all talk about it, Thane was probably one of the few I was forgiving of when it came to this. It probably had to do with the fact that he couldn't help not bring it up, since drell have their prefect recall memory. Also with the fact that if you turn him down he says something quite beautiful; when shep tells him she wouldn't be able to replace Irikah he says "You wouldn't have, you can love more than one in a lifetime, I'll respect your wises. I hope it wont offend you if I carry you in my heart." Sorry, I just had a gush moment as he was my guy but for the most part I agree with with you. Hearing about past relationships might always be an unfortunate side effect of drell romances though. That Thane line Not that I would ever get it in any of my games though Also, "When no-one else competes for your eyes, I will be here" *fans self* Back to Jaal and Akksul - I don't think they ever hated each other, they may have had a rivalry thing going on, a la Sasuke and Naruto early on. Though I don't think they were ever "buddies" either. Jaal does feel bad for him about what he went through with the Kett, and I think he is understanding about his reasons for resenting the Resistance. He also admires Ryder's courage if s/he wants to reason with Akksul. And it's just my headcanon, but I don't think the whole martyrdom thing was the only reason Jaal didn't want to kill Akksul - he may have just felt genuine sympathy towards him. Oh I agree - I don't think his reasoning for not shooting Akksul had anything to do with martyrdom. I agree that he has empathy for Akksul and what he went through.
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Post by theratpack55 on May 22, 2017 17:44:09 GMT
Just made this list in another Jaal thread and it struck me why his romance is my fav. He's the opposite of every romance in any other BW game I ever played! Here's the list quoted: "Can't speak for others but for me it's nice to have a guy that's not: A Prince/soon-to-be King in disguise who will dump you unless you are a human noble An assassin sent to kill you and can betray you if you aren't good enough friends A former slave who won't stop ranting about mage hate A guy who blows up a holy place A guy who murdered a family and then hid his identity A guy into BDSM A guy who has an addiction and sufferers from PTSD A guy planning to destroy the world A guy who is dying A guy who cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant A guy who chases you all over, asks to be with you even if you just lost a lover and calls you a traitorGarrus is the only one not in that list but even he had heavy baggage by ME2. Jaal wants your trust. That's it. He comes from a famous family, but you don't have to be a certain way to end up with him. He's got a loving family. He's not dying. He's loyal. He respects you as a leader. He did have a past lover, but he doesn't drag her into every conversation. His sex scene is about pleasing the one he loves. Rare and special for many women. He doesn't like the idea of blowing things up and killing innocent people. Basically he's the opposite of every BW romance I had to endure." Wait, who is that, I recognize everyone else lol Also, hi guys I've been away again. Now I gotta go catch up.
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 17:49:15 GMT
Just made this list in another Jaal thread and it struck me why his romance is my fav. He's the opposite of every romance in any other BW game I ever played! Here's the list quoted: "Can't speak for others but for me it's nice to have a guy that's not: A Prince/soon-to-be King in disguise who will dump you unless you are a human noble An assassin sent to kill you and can betray you if you aren't good enough friends A former slave who won't stop ranting about mage hate A guy who blows up a holy place A guy who murdered a family and then hid his identity A guy into BDSM A guy who has an addiction and sufferers from PTSD A guy planning to destroy the world A guy who is dying A guy who cheats on you and gets another woman pregnant A guy who chases you all over, asks to be with you even if you just lost a lover and calls you a traitorGarrus is the only one not in that list but even he had heavy baggage by ME2. Jaal wants your trust. That's it. He comes from a famous family, but you don't have to be a certain way to end up with him. He's got a loving family. He's not dying. He's loyal. He respects you as a leader. He did have a past lover, but he doesn't drag her into every conversation. His sex scene is about pleasing the one he loves. Rare and special for many women. He doesn't like the idea of blowing things up and killing innocent people. Basically he's the opposite of every BW romance I had to endure." Wait, who is that, I recognize everyone else lol Also, hi guys I've been away again. Now I gotta go catch up. Kaidan. IIRC, he flirts with you right after Thane dies in ME3. So does Liara though. From what I've heard, no-one in ME really gives a shit about Thane, except Shepard (barely) and Kolyat Okay, I'll stop raging about Thane. WHEN I DIE.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 17:52:44 GMT
Ahhh poor Kaidan, I left him on Virmire because I accidentally romanced him
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 17:56:33 GMT
Ahhh poor Kaidan, I left him on Virmire because I accidentally romanced him I did that too. I'm glad in MEA I can be a good friend without getting hit on lol Hahaha! Yep! It's nice to be able to compliment somebody without them getting all steamy in the nethers!
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Post by theratpack55 on May 22, 2017 17:56:53 GMT
Wait, who is that, I recognize everyone else lol Also, hi guys I've been away again. Now I gotta go catch up. Kaidan. IIRC, he flirts with you right after Thane dies in ME3. So does Liara though. From what I've heard, no-one in ME really gives a shit about Thane, except Shepard (barely) and Kolyat Okay, I'll stop raging about Thane. WHEN I DIE. Oh, ok, I never did the Kaidan/Thane combo so I was confused!
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