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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 18:00:55 GMT
That Thane line Not that I would ever get it in any of my games though Also, "When no-one else competes for your eyes, I will be here" *fans self* Back to Jaal and Akksul - I don't think they ever hated each other, they may have had a rivalry thing going on, a la Sasuke and Naruto early on. Though I don't think they were ever "buddies" either. Jaal does feel bad for him about what he went through with the Kett, and I think he is understanding about his reasons for resenting the Resistance. He also admires Ryder's courage if s/he wants to reason with Akksul. And it's just my headcanon, but I don't think the whole martyrdom thing was the only reason Jaal didn't want to kill Akksul - he may have just felt genuine sympathy towards him. I think they were students who were sort of friends, but due to Akksul being better at learning and Jaal quitting, they likely didn't know each other that well. I think after Akksul's torture, Jaal felt bad for not being able to save him and kept close tabs on him, and it's probably why he knows so much about how the Roekaar operate. Like if you find the dagger during Reyes mission and Jaal knows it's Akksul's words. I don't think Jaal was sparing Akksul out of the goodness of his heart. I think it's partly to spare the Moshae grief and also because killing him would ruin the Angara's view of aliens because shooting him is likely what he said would happen, and when you don't and he tries to kill Jaal (something Akksul is not known for doing), it made them realize he's gone too far. Jaal has no qualms about killing Roekaar who could easily be family down the line, because as he says "they shot first" so Akksul is not personal in my opinion. Not only out of the goodness of his heart (I don't want to make the whole thing too sugary either), but deep down, I do think it was an extra motivator because, well, Jaal does have a good heart. Jaal is smart, he knows what needs to be done, but he's also a sensitive guy. I don't think it would be so extraordinary for him to genuinely not want a guy he used to go to school with to die.
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Post by theratpack55 on May 22, 2017 18:08:49 GMT
Oh, ok, I never did the Kaidan/Thane combo so I was confused! You don't have to romance both. Once Thane is dead, you are free and Kaidan confesses even if you never liked him. If you don't commit to Garrus before dinner with Kaidan, he does it too. I only ever did Kaidan/Garrus/Garrus and 'no romance' for the tiny Javik scene. Kaidan did confess to me during my Garrus run but tbh it didn't bother me in that case since I did romance him in ME1 so I felt he had the right to ask. He took my rejection well enough. Then again, I don't think it would bother me in different circumstances... If a guy has a crush on you it's kinda natural that he says something about it once you're single, if he has the courage. I wouldn't hold it against Kaidan if I'd experienced it in-game. Afaik it's just one conversation, it's not like he stalks you. But it may also be my desperate hunger for proactive male LIs in games talking...
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Post by Roxy on May 22, 2017 18:10:16 GMT
Wait, who is that, I recognize everyone else lol Also, hi guys I've been away again. Now I gotta go catch up. Kaidan. IIRC, he flirts with you right after Thane dies in ME3. So does Liara though. From what I've heard, no-one in ME really gives a shit about Thane, except Shepard (barely) and Kolyat Okay, I'll stop raging about Thane. WHEN I DIE. That's one of the reasons why I never romanced Kaidan. I don't hate him but dang...when he dumps Shepard in ME2 that just ticks me off same with Ashley. Then you romance some one else and in the the next game he calls you a traitor. Makes you wish there was a punch in the face option lol I will always love Thane. And I still HATE how they treated him in ME3 and will never stop complaining about that. And I love Garrus as well but Jaal is I have to say the BEST LI I have had in a Bioware game.
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 18:13:31 GMT
You don't have to romance both. Once Thane is dead, you are free and Kaidan confesses even if you never liked him. If you don't commit to Garrus before dinner with Kaidan, he does it too. I only ever did Kaidan/Garrus/Garrus and 'no romance' for the tiny Javik scene. Kaidan did confess to me during my Garrus run but tbh it didn't bother me in that case since I did romance him in ME1 so I felt he had the right to ask. He took my rejection well enough. Then again, I don't think it would bother me in different circumstances... If a guy has a crush on you it's kinda natural that he says something about it once you're single, if he has the courage. I wouldn't hold it against Kaidan if I'd experienced it in-game. Afaik it's just one conversation, it's not like he stalks you. But it may also be my desperate hunger for proactive male LIs in games talking... Yeah, but maybe not like 15 minutes after my lover/friend died? But I agree about proactive male LIs, and I don't hold that bit against Kaidan because it's just the Devs forgetting about Thane.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 18:16:43 GMT
Hahaha! Yep! It's nice to be able to compliment somebody without them getting all steamy in the nethers! I do think Jaal is always going to be drawn to Ryder no matter what though. He's just captivated even if Ryder is only a friend, and he can't help himself. Yeah it probably goes hand in hand with how expressive and inquisitive he is, he also became buddy buddy with Liam pretty sharpish too~
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Post by theratpack55 on May 22, 2017 18:18:20 GMT
I only ever did Kaidan/Garrus/Garrus and 'no romance' for the tiny Javik scene. Kaidan did confess to me during my Garrus run but tbh it didn't bother me in that case since I did romance him in ME1 so I felt he had the right to ask. He took my rejection well enough. Then again, I don't think it would bother me in different circumstances... If a guy has a crush on you it's kinda natural that he says something about it once you're single, if he has the courage. I wouldn't hold it against Kaidan if I'd experienced it in-game. Afaik it's just one conversation, it's not like he stalks you. But it may also be my desperate hunger for proactive male LIs in games talking... Yeah but this was right after Thane died. Let a woman mourn haha and as for Garrus, I wasn't single, but since I hadn't done the confession scene, Kaidan thought I was fresh meat lol I'd blame this mostly on game mechanics and devs not anticipating/accounting for certain circumstances. I guess it's just that they set a romance to read as active at 1, and 1 only activates after a commitment scene, so every scene happening before that reads it as 0... hence other LIs not respecting your PC's boundaries, lol. Probably unpopular opinion, but I do kinda wish game devs would concentrate on resolving issues like that instead of making graphics photorealistic (with uncanny valley animations), and the worlds vast (with not much to do in them)...
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 18:32:22 GMT
I'm waiting again for Akksul to do his move, My Jaal LM is on stanby, raah. (I got the vidcom with Akksul insulting Jaal, after Eos)
It's possible to save just before making the choice in the LM, so see the different options? is there one far better than the other? without spoiling too much, even if I've read some partial spoilers...
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 18:39:11 GMT
Yeah it probably goes hand in hand with how expressive and inquisitive he is, he also became buddy buddy with Liam pretty sharpish too~ I still laugh at how an open and free with his emotions Angara, who can talk about erogenous zones to his lover's best friend, can stutter, become super shy and lose all words when asking to have sex. HA! TRUE! It's a little weird, seeing as Jaal comments how the Angara just straight up say what they want/mean, then deal with whatever happens after! Y u shy buddy? It also makes me laugh how he clams up when asked about personal health etc. surely being more open about your sickness is a good way to avoid epidemics?
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 18:51:47 GMT
Full disclosure - here's the actual reason I just can't bring myself not to romance Jaal on a Sara playthrough. It's not just because I like his personality - I sure do, but there are so many sweet potential LIs to choose from. I love Liam to pieces, for one, and Suvi and Sara are such adorkable pair, and Reyes has that suave and dangerous type covered. Again, I sure like Jaal, but competition is stiff. It is also not because of his looks - he is not all that attractive to me, I don't like the color pink, Angara chest area is extremely weird, and besides, as far as Angara guys go, Evfra is much more handsome The actual reason I would always romance Jaal is because it makes the most narrative sense. It feels like the game is intended to be played that way. There are plenty of places in the game where it makes the most sense to bring Jaal along because he is the one actually connected with the plot. In a way, everything that happens in the main plot is as much his story as it is Ryder's. And besides, you can't have a space opera where a young explorer meets new species, forges an alliance and does not fall for the handsome alien That's not how the stories work! Some tropes should be played properly, for once
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 18:53:11 GMT
HA! TRUE! It's a little weird, seeing as Jaal comments how the Angara just straight up say what they want/mean, then deal with whatever happens after! Y u shy buddy? It also makes me laugh how he clams up when asked about personal health etc. surely being more open about your sickness is a good way to avoid epidemics? Haha I love how instead of saying he wants to make love to her, he gestures with the cutest face and looks so uncomfortable! I wanted an interrupt to kiss him and say "I thought you Angara were supposed to be expressive with your feelings? Of course I want to be with you!" Yeah sickness is taboo to them just like sex is taboo to us. OMG teasing him! Give him the eyes and be all: "You want to what?~" :amirite:
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 18:55:14 GMT
Full disclosure - here's the actual reason I just can't bring myself not to romance Jaal on a Sara playthrough. It's not just because I like his personality - I sure do, but there are so many sweet potential LIs to choose from. I love Liam to pieces, for one, and Suvi and Sara are such adorkable pair, and Reyes has that suave and dangerous type covered. Again, I sure like Jaal, but competition is stiff. It is also not because of his looks - he is not all that attractive to me, I don't like the color pink, Angara chest area is extremely weird, and besides, as far as Angara guys go, Evfra is much more handsome The actual reason I would always romance Jaal is because it makes the most narrative sense. It feels like the game is intended to be played that way. There are plenty of places in the game where it makes the most sense to bring Jaal along because he is the one actually connected with the plot. In a way, everything that happens in the main plot is as much his story as it is Ryder's. And besides, you can't have a space opera where a young explorer meets new species, forges an alliance and does not fall for the handsome alien That's not how the stories work! Some tropes should be played properly, for once Oh yeah you feel this IS the romance for Sara BUT I also get that with Reyes too. His romance is also plot-related. I think both (and sometimes juggling both until you are forced to choose) makes it so amazing! And that's why my Scott is romancing Reyes
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 19:02:35 GMT
Oh yeah you feel this IS the romance for Sara BUT I also get that with Reyes too. His romance is also plot-related. I think both (and sometimes juggling both until you are forced to choose) makes it so amazing! I wanted to flirt with Reyes but I always bring Jaal with me and we were starting to flirt together, he was starting to like my Ryder so I would feel bad flirting with another man right in front of him
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 19:03:34 GMT
And that's why my Scott is romancing Reyes Yeah I love Gil, but Reyes is definitely a plot-related romance like Jaal. Heh, never liked Gil, to be honest - to me he is too aggravating and not charismatic enough to pull that off. Plus that quest on Elaaden - stop disassembling my ship mid-flight, dammit! Jaal at least honors Ryder's request not to take apart the ship
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Post by yeah rip on May 22, 2017 19:07:37 GMT
Yeah I love Gil, but Reyes is definitely a plot-related romance like Jaal. Heh, never liked Gil, to be honest - to me he is too aggravating and not charismatic enough to pull that off. Plus that quest on Elaaden - stop disassembling my ship mid-flight, dammit! Jaal at least honors Ryder's request not to take apart the ship See, this is why I always side with Kallo on that thing. Does Gil still do it if you don't let him take apart the Tempest though? I remember driving around Elaaden for a long time, but I never got that quest.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 19:10:48 GMT
I wanted to flirt with Reyes but I always bring Jaal with me and we were starting to flirt together, he was starting to like my Ryder so I would feel bad flirting with another man right in front of him It won't hurt him, but just don't go too far with Reyes or you can't romance Jaal. On my first playthrough, I've got away with quite a lot of flirt before committing to Jaal. Actively flirted with Vetra (I intended to romance her before Jaal managed to, ahem, become a valuable member of my crew), playfully hit on Lexi, did not flirt with Peebee but still took her up on her no strings attached zero g sex, and flirted with Reyes a little - my first Sara did not even like him, but if he insists on playing the smooth criminal routine he is going to get as good as he gets.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 19:11:26 GMT
Heh, never liked Gil, to be honest - to me he is too aggravating and not charismatic enough to pull that off. Plus that quest on Elaaden - stop disassembling my ship mid-flight, dammit! Jaal at least honors Ryder's request not to take apart the ship See, this is why I always side with Kallo on that thing. Does Gil still do it if you don't let him take apart the Tempest though? I remember driving around Elaaden for a long time, but I never got that quest. Yes, he still does. He is incorrigible And it is not even possible to call him out on that incident once you return to the ship. Even though it is the kind of stunt that could have gotten someone killed. Come to think of it, when in this game somebody died because the ship was not able to pick them up in time? Oh, right
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 22, 2017 19:15:50 GMT
Yeah I love Gil, but Reyes is definitely a plot-related romance like Jaal. Heh, never liked Gil, to be honest - to me he is too aggravating and not charismatic enough to pull that off. Plus that quest on Elaaden - stop disassembling my ship mid-flight, dammit! Jaal at least honors Ryder's request not to take apart the ship I actually really like Gil and find him charismatic but I have to agree with you on this and count me in as another one siding with Kallo. I think it was one of those situations where there should have been a choice for a more neutral option, as they both had good points. However when it comes down to it, I'll always take a more cautious route. An option to tell both Gil and Kallo to discuss and agree on new designs when the ship is docked would have been ideal. As it stands for me, changing things with the ship mid flight without letting anyone know is a big no.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 22, 2017 19:23:45 GMT
DID SOMEONE SAY ASTRONOMY?? I wanted to be an astronomer from as far back as I can remember until I was 14 and I realized I have to become a writer instead. Catching up still, I'll keep blurting random information that may seem totally out of context.
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Post by beholderess on May 22, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
Heh, never liked Gil, to be honest - to me he is too aggravating and not charismatic enough to pull that off. Plus that quest on Elaaden - stop disassembling my ship mid-flight, dammit! Jaal at least honors Ryder's request not to take apart the ship I actually really like Gil and find him charismatic but I have to agree with you on this and count me in as another one siding with Kallo. I think it was one of those situations where there should have been a choice for a more neutral option, as they both had good points. However when it comes down to it, I'll always take a more cautious route. An option to tell both Gil and Kallo to discuss and agree on new designs when the ship is docked would have been ideal. As it stands for me, changing things with the ship mid flight without letting anyone know is a big no. Yes, I wish there was a different way to phrase that. I am all for innovation, and I don't agree with keeping things as they were solely out of respect for those who built them. Besides, a true engineer would be delighted to see how someone can improve upon their work. There is a reason open source is respected - the ethic of sharing, taking apart, remixing, re-purposing and building upon is strong among the techies. However, there is a time and place for making adjustments, and mid-flight is not it. Not to mention making changes without notifying the pilot. Say, we are trying to outrun the Kett through the Scourge, and suddenly the pilot finds out that speed and reverse have switched places for a more ergonomic position...
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 19:33:52 GMT
DID SOMEONE SAY ASTRONOMY?? I wanted to be an astronomer from as far back as I can remember until I was 14 and I realized I have to become a writer instead. Catching up still, I'll keep blurting random information that may seem totally out of context. ASTRONOMY IS AMAZEBALLS My dad's a teacher of advanced mathematics with a bit a lot of astrophysicist on the side, hooo boy the science knowledge he throws at me! It's also why I keep getting confused with how ME:A keeps referring to all the space mumbo-jumbo :srs: Kinda jelly that you're really good at writing though~ languages have never been my strong suit.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 22, 2017 19:55:27 GMT
DID SOMEONE SAY ASTRONOMY?? I wanted to be an astronomer from as far back as I can remember until I was 14 and I realized I have to become a writer instead. Catching up still, I'll keep blurting random information that may seem totally out of context. ASTRONOMY IS AMAZEBALLS My dad's a teacher of advanced mathematics with a bit a lot of astrophysicist on the side, hooo boy the science knowledge he throws at me! It's also why I keep getting confused with how ME:A keeps referring to all the space mumbo-jumbo :srs: Kinda jelly that you're really good at writing though~ languages have never been my strong suit. I want to be an astrophysicist!! I got encouraged by astronomers holding panels at HawaiiCon to totally pursue it and I live in Hawaii where there's a great astronomy program, but... I kind of feel like I derailed the possibility of making that work for me in the very near future, I don't have any of the right subjects in my BA, nor even in high school, I took a specialty physics class and was fully prepared to get certified in it, but I already had 2 additional classes I was getting my high school diploma in (art history and geography, the latter of which actually had more astronomy than the physics class did) so I never completed that, plus my math skills are subpar to say the least (I blame my teachers, I was super good at the really complex stuff and totally failed at the simple stuff, that's got to mean something went wrong there, hahaha). Someday maybe I'll be able to pick it up and do it properly, but I was born to be a writer so I have a need to make that work first, above and beyond anything else. Aww. Well, I have an advantage where languages are concerned, both my parents are multilingual linguists/philologists like me, so I was totally immersed in language and literature from the very start (and I mean very start, my mother made sure of that, hahaha). Writing though... I was always a storyteller, when I was a kid my mom wanted me to write because apparently my dialogues were good and my plots were interesting (I experimented a lot) but I was very keen on astronomy. It never occurred to me to be a writer, or anything else for that matter, but one fateful afternoon I really thought over what I wanted in life, considering all the poetry and prose I'd been writing by then and the struggles I had at school (which were ironically partly linguistic problems stemming from having just moved to Hungary and although I was fluent, I was out of practice, plus the school system was totally different, etc., etc.) so I took the "easy way out" and became an English major. I think I made the right choice, my academic pursuits totally fall in line with what I want to actually study, but there's so much more I want to study, including anything related to astronomy... I wish I could split myself so I can do everything. Aaaand this is turning into a long life history tangent. I'll go back to catching up now.
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Post by kestrel on May 22, 2017 19:59:46 GMT
Writing is like many skills- it takes a lot of practice and dedication, but if you're actually interested in learning to become a better writer, you should see if there's a local writer's group you can meet up with and workshop with. I really can't overstate how important the ability to workshop is, and how much it'll help you develop as a writer.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 20:04:10 GMT
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by vana on May 22, 2017 20:09:51 GMT
Hmmm someone knows how to trigger the rest of Jaal's LM? after Akksul's vicdon after Eos? do I need to do something specific or just continue the main quest?
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PenDev0us
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pendev0us
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by PenDev0us on May 22, 2017 20:11:51 GMT
I want to be an astrophysicist!! I got encouraged by astronomers holding panels at HawaiiCon to totally pursue it and I live in Hawaii where there's a great astronomy program, but... I kind of feel like I derailed the possibility of making that work for me in the very near future, I don't have any of the right subjects in my BA, nor even in high school, I took a specialty physics class and was fully prepared to get certified in it, but I already had 2 additional classes I was getting my high school diploma in (art history and geography, the latter of which actually had more astronomy than the physics class did) so I never completed that, plus my math skills are subpar to say the least (I blame my teachers, I was super good at the really complex stuff and totally failed at the simple stuff, that's got to mean something went wrong there, hahaha). Someday maybe I'll be able to pick it up and do it properly, but I was born to be a writer so I have a need to make that work first, above and beyond anything else. Aww. Well, I have an advantage where languages are concerned, both my parents are multilingual linguists/philologists like me, so I was totally immersed in language and literature from the very start (and I mean very start, my mother made sure of that, hahaha). Writing though... I was always a storyteller, when I was a kid my mom wanted me to write because apparently my dialogues were good and my plots were interesting (I experimented a lot) but I was very keen on astronomy. It never occurred to me to be a writer, or anything else for that matter, but one fateful afternoon I really thought over what I wanted in life, considering all the poetry and prose I'd been writing by then and the struggles I had at school (which were ironically partly linguistic problems stemming from having just moved to Hungary and although I was fluent, I was out of practice, plus the school system was totally different, etc., etc.) so I took the "easy way out" and became an English major. I think I made the right choice, my academic pursuits totally fall in line with what I want to actually study, but there's so much more I want to study, including anything related to astronomy... I wish I could split myself so I can do everything. Aaaand this is turning into a long life history tangent. I'll go back to catching up now. If you ever want to study degree level astronomy, the Open University has a course named: BSc (Hons) Natural Sciences (Astronomy and Planetary Science) that has no entry reqs. You can literally just jump in! DOO EEETTT
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