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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 16:42:09 GMT
I hope he would interfere, but that makes you question how far he'd go. If he gets a REALLY despicable pathfinder that's clearly going to make a horrific choice... would he kill them? And if so, I wonder how the organic species would take that... would SAM be heralded a hero? Or would he be seen as 'too dangerous' and shut down? Sarissa's SAM did not hold leaving previous Pathfinder against her, but a) they haven't been partners for long and it could be justified. Now imagine if, for the purposes of thought experiment, Cora turned evil and decided to off Ryder in order to get the position - somehow I doubt that SAM would let that slide. Als, I wonder if different SAMs will end up developing in different directions, and how noticeable it would become. Ryder's SAM definitely developed affection and way too much sarcasm - will Salarian SAM become plotting, Turian SAM think like a Spectre, and so on? True, if rogueCora did kill Ryder for the purpose of succession, I wonder if its possible for SAM to outright resist the transfer process... just nope out of it altogether... I mean, Scott has the implant too right? Could SAM just bounce to him? Or, would SAM just become a slave to rogueCoras cause? And slowly become bitter like the AI on Voeld~
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 16:48:18 GMT
Previously on worst Pathfiner ever:- Ignored Scotts busted cryo pod, Cora updated me on his status in the tram. - Abandoned the survivors at Habitat 7, leaving Greer to be cut open by the Kett. - Didn't bother to scout ahead like a recon specialist should, causing Papa Ryder to get mad. - Baited Tann, then ignored Kesh/Addison/Kandros and went straight to Eos. - Pushed Peebs off me when straddled, barrelrolling ensues. - Met Drack in the Kett facility, said I'm with the Initiative, he grabbed my collar and asked who I was again. - Didn't jump down the well first, Ryder shouted at Peebs when she jumped, then jumped down herself. (Cora was again the last one to jump) - Didn't explore the Remnant Vault, just gunned it to all the quest markers, got blocked by a door and Peebs said we need to scan stuff if we want to get anywhere. - Said the Vault was dangerous after running from the purification field, Peebs was put out, and said why don't you focus on the cool stuff that happened instead. - Was reluctant to let Peebs on board the Tempest and claimed she was more of a solo player, Peebs said the Tempest is her best bet for figuring out the Remnant, and it would benefit me too. - Chose to side with the Initiative when talking to Drack near the outpost station, he commented on how it would have just triggered another uprising. - Chose a military outpost, on Eos, Ryder commented on how we will defend against the Kett and anything else. Lt. Sajax prefers this choice. - Called out Addison for being two-faced on Eos, Addisons rejected handshake was... awkward. - Called Addison manipulative, her tone of voice seemed subdued. I think I upset her. - Was arrogant to Tann, "yes I am a hero" & "you don't know me", Tann wasn't phased and said he does know me. (damn) - Sided with Tann in front of Kesh/Kandros when they questioned his leadership, Tann just said, "told you we were of the same mind". (fack) - Said "I'm not looking for permission" (I know, its a casual response, but it fit!), Tann likes me more. (sonova-) - Spoke to Suvi, said the scourge wasn't beautiful, just dangerous, came out harsher than intended. - Suvi mentioned God, I said it was't possible, then told her believe whatever its cool. (Glad they didn't bash religion and kept it civil) - All other crew talks didn't have change worth noting, or there wasn't a professional option available. - Was professional while talking to the Archon, he commented how I will "come with him", and "It's beyond my realm of understanding". - Was professional while being escorted to the Aya landing pad, still no clue what they said, but they didn't laugh. - Was professional to Jaal by saying I want to exchange knowledge, Jaal is pleased with my honesty. - Was professional to Efra, I always chose that anyway because I like the "I feel for your people" line. - Said I didn't need the Moshae, Efra said it's not that easy. - Said welcome aboard to Jaal, awkward handshake ensues. (thinking the thanks for trusting would have been more relevant this PT) - Jaal on board ship. I said no bigots, Jaal was funny, stuttering about how everything is alien right down to the living quarters. - Was logical to Voeld HQ Commander (forgot to note her name) she said "we'll see, actions speak louder than words" - Said I want to kill Kett to the Angaran scouts just outside HQ (trying to avoid saying I want to help the Angara as much as possible, because I want to see what effect this has with Akksul in Jaals LM and any chats with Evfra) - Called out Skeot for trusting me so quickly, his response "you got me, I was hoping flattery would make you help rescue my uncle", then Jaal said "you dont need to trick Ryder" - Said I'd consider finding his uncle, Skeot was upset, he kept stuttering saying "but you- I thought- wouldn't you want someone to save your family if it was you?"
Another update~ (BTW removed the codex entry thing till I've completed main game... it's getting difficult to manage so many spoiler hidden pics on this site... so much BBCode... so much BBCode) - Didn't give data to Techix straight away. Decided to call Evfra first, Jaal seemed a little put out with how business orientated I am - Didn't go to Havarl - Grumpy Evfra vidcall is grumpy. He didn't mention me holding onto the data a little longer, or ignoring Havarl. Asked me why I should be let into the Aya vault. I chose casual "I get shit done" because I was thinking on how "human first" I'm planning to be. Realised later that I could have just said I'm trustworthy and stomped on that trust later. edit: went back and chose the profesisonal option. Evfra said, "keep doing what your doing and our relationship will grow" - Didn't tell Evfra about my AI, Ryder said her "scientists" would help the effort. Evfra harrumphed a bit, then commented on how he will accept the help as he's not stupid and loves the moshae - Rescuing the moshae, told Jaal that the moshae is our first priority. Jaal got mad and said its my priorty. Ryder sassed back saying her ship, her crew, her priorities. - Told Jaal the blame was with the Kett and this is fuel for the resistance when he found out about exhaltation. He said, that's no comfort, and 'maybe' the resistance will use this as fuel. - Blew up the Kett facility. Jaal seems to have taken it as well as he could, but he said that the Angarans inside were scientists and the like, i.e their strength. The Moshae practically adores me for siding with her - Spoke to Jaal. He thanked me for saving the Moshae, and I replied "it was the mission". After the talk, he asked for space while he dealt with our disagreement. TBH being professional around Jaal makes every conversation with him cold. I hate it. It's going to be impossible to romance him this PT.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:50:44 GMT
I've noticed that too. Jaal is a lot harder to approach if you never react emotionally.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 16:52:20 GMT
Things I've learned on this playthrough:
- The Angara really react poorly to professionalism over emotion when talking. Evfa's line on feeling for my people seems to be the only line so far that professionalism has managed to evoke emotion.
- Its practically impossible to lower relations with someone via dialogue style... people like/dislike you based on your mission choices. This upsets me. I want to be an ass outside of missions!
- The pathfinders personality is glued to "good girl/boy" regardless of what tone you take in conversations... I miss renegade Shep so much~
- Blowing up the facility gives you a little bit extra about the Moshae at the end of one of Jaals emails: "She's fond of you. Truly. I haven't heard her talk like this about someone for a long while. She didn't ask me to tell you this last part, I just thought you should know."
- Its impossible to decline quests. You can say you'll think about it, or you're not sure, but you essentially take on the request regardless... you can choose to ignore them for the most part though. Again... I miss the fact that in the OT you could straight up nope out of quests by simply saying so... and not just leaving them to linger like in Andromeda
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 16:55:14 GMT
I've noticed that too. Jaal is a lot harder to approach if you never react emotionally. It feels like so much is missing! :sob: :DD:
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 17:00:04 GMT
I've noticed that too. Jaal is a lot harder to approach if you never react emotionally. It feels like so much is missing! :sob: :DD: I know! Jaal really does play a big part in the story, and his relationship with the Pathfinder (as a friend or more) seems to make the game more enjoyable if you are on good terms.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 17:20:40 GMT
It feels like so much is missing! :sob: :DD: I know! Jaal really does play a big part in the story, and his relationship with the Pathfinder (as a friend or more) seems to make the game more enjoyable if you are on good terms. True, very true. To be cold to someone so key to the game, it's like you're trying to ruin the whole experience... I'm glad I'm playing this run on narrative... It's so... so... BORING! Literally the only nice thing that's happened so far in this run was Jaal saying how much the Moshae likes me after nuking the facility! Also oddly enough the codex seems to say me and Jaal have gotten closer, despite me being cold and upsetting him... I haven't even taken any of the flirts (including the few friendship ones beforehand)...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 17:38:49 GMT
I know! Jaal really does play a big part in the story, and his relationship with the Pathfinder (as a friend or more) seems to make the game more enjoyable if you are on good terms. True, very true. To be cold to someone so key to the game, it's like you're trying to ruin the whole experience... I'm glad I'm playing this run on narrative... It's so... so... BORING! Literally the only nice thing that's happened so far in this run was Jaal saying how much the Moshae likes me after nuking the facility! Also oddly enough the codex seems to say me and Jaal have gotten closer, despite me being cold and upsetting him... I haven't even taken any of the flirts (including the few friendship ones beforehand)... You saved the Moshae. That's why he trusts you now.
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Post by yeah rip on May 23, 2017 18:16:53 GMT
Oh crap... I might have run into a bug with Evfra. I went to talk to him after Jaal's LM so he could give me hell for getting his best friend soldier shot, but the line he said was the one he says after the flagship (the "I might have to sit down" one). Okay, I thought, maybe I forgot to take it or something. I talked to him again and he still started that same dialogue, and then again after that. I'll leave Aya and come back to talk to him, maybe that will fix things (probably not though). Edit: it didn't *throws game out the window*.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 18:23:48 GMT
Oh crap... I might have run into a bug with Evfra. I went to talk to him after Jaal's LM so he could give me hell for getting his best friend soldier shot, but the line he said was the one he says after the flagship (the "I might have to sit down" one). Okay, I thought, maybe I forgot to take it or something. I talked to him again and he still started that same dialogue, and then again after that. I'll leave Aya and come back to talk to him, maybe that will fix things (probably not though). Uh oh... are you able to reload a save?
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 18:25:28 GMT
True, very true. To be cold to someone so key to the game, it's like you're trying to ruin the whole experience... I'm glad I'm playing this run on narrative... It's so... so... BORING! Literally the only nice thing that's happened so far in this run was Jaal saying how much the Moshae likes me after nuking the facility! Also oddly enough the codex seems to say me and Jaal have gotten closer, despite me being cold and upsetting him... I haven't even taken any of the flirts (including the few friendship ones beforehand)... You saved the Moshae. That's why he trusts you now. Ahh good point!
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PenDev0us your current Ryder inspired me to try a similar one to yours using preset 8 and not only does she animate amazingly, she has the sweetest face! I have taken this preset for granted in the past. Onecrazymonkey1 Perfect couple!
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 18:47:57 GMT
Previously on worst Pathfiner ever:- Ignored Scotts busted cryo pod, Cora updated me on his status in the tram. - Abandoned the survivors at Habitat 7, leaving Greer to be cut open by the Kett. - Didn't bother to scout ahead like a recon specialist should, causing Papa Ryder to get mad. - Baited Tann, then ignored Kesh/Addison/Kandros and went straight to Eos. - Pushed Peebs off me when straddled, barrelrolling ensues. - Met Drack in the Kett facility, said I'm with the Initiative, he grabbed my collar and asked who I was again. - Didn't jump down the well first, Ryder shouted at Peebs when she jumped, then jumped down herself. (Cora was again the last one to jump) - Didn't explore the Remnant Vault, just gunned it to all the quest markers, got blocked by a door and Peebs said we need to scan stuff if we want to get anywhere. - Said the Vault was dangerous after running from the purification field, Peebs was put out, and said why don't you focus on the cool stuff that happened instead. - Was reluctant to let Peebs on board the Tempest and claimed she was more of a solo player, Peebs said the Tempest is her best bet for figuring out the Remnant, and it would benefit me too. - Chose to side with the Initiative when talking to Drack near the outpost station, he commented on how it would have just triggered another uprising. - Chose a military outpost, on Eos, Ryder commented on how we will defend against the Kett and anything else. Lt. Sajax prefers this choice. - Called out Addison for being two-faced on Eos, Addisons rejected handshake was... awkward. - Called Addison manipulative, her tone of voice seemed subdued. I think I upset her. - Was arrogant to Tann, "yes I am a hero" & "you don't know me", Tann wasn't phased and said he does know me. (damn) - Sided with Tann in front of Kesh/Kandros when they questioned his leadership, Tann just said, "told you we were of the same mind". (fack) - Said "I'm not looking for permission" (I know, its a casual response, but it fit!), Tann likes me more. (sonova-) - Spoke to Suvi, said the scourge wasn't beautiful, just dangerous, came out harsher than intended. - Suvi mentioned God, I said it was't possible, then told her believe whatever its cool. (Glad they didn't bash religion and kept it civil) - All other crew talks didn't have change worth noting, or there wasn't a professional option available. - Was professional while talking to the Archon, he commented how I will "come with him", and "It's beyond my realm of understanding". - Was professional while being escorted to the Aya landing pad, still no clue what they said, but they didn't laugh. - Was professional to Jaal by saying I want to exchange knowledge, Jaal is pleased with my honesty. - Was professional to Efra, I always chose that anyway because I like the "I feel for your people" line. - Said I didn't need the Moshae, Efra said it's not that easy. - Said welcome aboard to Jaal, awkward handshake ensues. (thinking the thanks for trusting would have been more relevant this PT) - Jaal on board ship. I said no bigots, Jaal was funny, stuttering about how everything is alien right down to the living quarters. - Was logical to Voeld HQ Commander (forgot to note her name) she said "we'll see, actions speak louder than words" - Said I want to kill Kett to the Angaran scouts just outside HQ (trying to avoid saying I want to help the Angara as much as possible, because I want to see what effect this has with Akksul in Jaals LM and any chats with Evfra) - Called out Skeot for trusting me so quickly, his response "you got me, I was hoping flattery would make you help rescue my uncle", then Jaal said "you dont need to trick Ryder" - Said I'd consider finding his uncle, Skeot was upset, he kept stuttering saying "but you- I thought- wouldn't you want someone to save your family if it was you?" - Didn't give data to Techix straight away. Decided to call Evfra first, Jaal seemed a little put out with how business orientated I am - Didn't go to Havarl - Grumpy Evfra vidcall is grumpy. He didn't mention me holding onto the data a little longer, or ignoring Havarl. Asked me why I should be let into the Aya vault. I chose casual "I get shit done" because I was thinking on how "human first" I'm planning to be. Realised later that I could have just said I'm trustworthy and stomped on that trust later. edit: went back and chose the profesisonal option. Evfra said, "keep doing what your doing and our relationship will grow" - Didn't tell Evfra about my AI, Ryder said her "scientists" would help the effort. Evfra harrumphed a bit, then commented on how he will accept the help as he's not stupid and loves the moshae - Rescuing the moshae, told Jaal that the moshae is our first priority. Jaal got mad and said its my priorty. Ryder sassed back saying her ship, her crew, her priorities. - Told Jaal the blame was with the Kett and this is fuel for the resistance when he found out about exhaltation. He said, that's no comfort, and 'maybe' the resistance will use this as fuel. - Blew up the Kett facility. Jaal seems to have taken it as well as he could, but he said that the Angarans inside were scientists and the like, i.e their strength. The Moshae practically adores me for siding with her - Spoke to Jaal. He thanked me for saving the Moshae, and I replied "it was the mission". After the talk, he asked for space while he dealt with our disagreement. TBH being professional around Jaal makes every conversation with him cold. I hate it. It's going to be impossible to romance him this PT. More! - Told Cora info on the Asari ark can wait, and asked if we really need their pathfinders help... Cora put forward her case, but was very civil and not at all mad... (starting to think its impossible to piss off anyone now) - Returned the Moshae back to Aya, and asked to speed things along so I can figure out Eos... Evfra wasn't pleased and told me to "get on with it then" - Speaking to Reyas on Kadara, decided not to drink. mofo just chugs them both right then and there - Was accommodating towards Sloane, let her kill Ven Terev after I got my intel, she was pleased. - Meeting on the Tempest, favoured Meridian over Elaaden and the Turian asteroid... was forced into accepting both regardless - Spoke with Jaal, tried to persuade him not to give gifts... Ryder just wound up suggesting new stuff... Then Jaal bugged out and whenever I want to talk to him, he does the turning cinematic, then I'm insta-booted out. Guess my blowing up the facility pissed him off to the point where he bugged himself free of me. - sided with Lexi regarding the Kett exaltation process being irreversible. Jaal was upset. - TAKING DRACK WITH ME ON THE SALARIAN ARK WITH FULL INTENT ON ABANDONING THE KROGAN. I'm so dead
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Haha yeah rip broke Evfra and you broke Jaal!
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PenDev0us your current Ryder inspired me to try a similar one to yours using preset 8 and not only does she animated amazingly, she has the sweetest face! Onecrazymonkey1 Perfect couple! IKR!?! Preset 8 was surprisingly great to work with! And OMG your Ryder is giving me strong Tayla (Stargate Atlantis) vibes!
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PenDev0us your current Ryder inspired me to try a similar one to yours using preset 8 and not only does she animated amazingly, she has the sweetest face! Onecrazymonkey1 Perfect couple! IKR!?! Preset 8 was surprisingly great to work with! And OMG your Ryder is giving me strong Tayla (Stargate Atlantis) vibes! Thanks! I think I'll stick with her for my Professional/Emotional run! My previous Sara with the wavy blonde hair was Casual/Logical!
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You all have a knack for creating pretty ryders! The last time I showed one of mine I think she scared people. I've gotten better but I still have trouble making a good scott, he always ends up looking way older than 22 for me *shrugs*. Here's something funny for anyone who intentionally makes ugly Ryders for the lolz. It kind of reminds me of the adventures of ugly Shepard. link
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Haha I love how Jaal sees Sara's inner beauty, and it brings out her natural beauty no matter how you make her look in the CC.
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IKR!?! Preset 8 was surprisingly great to work with! And OMG your Ryder is giving me strong Tayla (Stargate Atlantis) vibes! Thanks! I think I'll stick with her for my Professional/Emotional run! My previous Sara with the wavy blonde hair was Casual/Logical! Gotta admit, I've fallen in love with preset 8, I used to be enamoured with preset 1 as at the time it was the only preset I could get a decent face out of (profile pic)... but sitting down and messing with each of the presets has taught me a LOT about ME:As character creation. (Haven't got round to fully exploring the Scott presets yet, but its been more difficult that the Saras so far) I'm probably going to tweak my preset8 biotic a bit in a new new newgame+ and declare her my main BTW the most difficult Sara preset I ever messed with was preset 7... her eyes were just so tired looking! I managed to get her kinda how I wanted, but the choice of tattoo and makeup were not my ideal... but it was the only way I could kinda hide her eye bags without making anything stand out too much Maybe I'll go back and tackle that preset one day, but its just so awkward...
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 19:13:37 GMT
Haha I love how Jaal sees Sara's inner beauty, and it brings out her natural beauty no matter how you make her look in the CC. He probably just chalks it up to aliens are so diverse this must be normal~
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Post by vana on May 23, 2017 19:14:13 GMT
It reminds me of people making an ugly "Hawke" in DA: Inquisition to feel less sad when the sacrifice comes Usually in video games or sci-fi in general, alien females are always very "human-like" while the males are ugly, to please the male gamers/watchers (a lot of examples in World of Warcraft, Star Wars, etc... or worse, with Asari, no male-looking Asari at all), but I feel that for once with the Angara, it's the opposite. The famales are not very beautiful, I think, maybe it's the lack of breasts, their position (rounded back), etc... but the males look far more attractive.
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Post by Psychedelic on May 23, 2017 19:14:41 GMT
You all have a knack for creating pretty ryders! The last time I showed one of mine I think she scared people. I've gotten better but I still have trouble making a good scott, he always ends up looking way older than 22 for me *shrugs*. Here's something funny for anyone who intentionally makes ugly Ryders for the lolz. It kind of reminds me of the adventures of ugly Shepard. linkMe female Ryders turned out okay-ish, but Scott... let's say I would appreciate the option to leave the helmet on, even during cutscenes. I wonder why they have given him these crow's feet. I am not opposed to have optional wrinkels in the CC, but how did he manage to look like that with only 22, all sex, drugs and rock'n'roll? Imagine they had given Sara any wrinkles, the shitstorm...
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 19:15:44 GMT
You all have a knack for creating pretty ryders! The last time I showed one of mine I think she scared people. I've gotten better but I still have trouble making a good scott, he always ends up looking way older than 22 for me *shrugs*. Here's something funny for anyone who intentionally makes ugly Ryders for the lolz. It kind of reminds me of the adventures of ugly Shepard. linkOMG I live for ugly characters~ there's a YouTube series called 'monster factory' that I just adore! They play any game with character creation and make the worst things imaginable!
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Post by PenDev0us on May 23, 2017 19:16:59 GMT
It reminds me of people making an ugly "Hawke" in DA: Inquisition to feel less sad when the sacrifice comes Usually in video games or sci-fi in general, alien females are always very "human-like" while the males are ugly, to please the male gamers/watchers (a lot of examples in World of Warcraft, Star Wars, etc... or worse, with Asari, no male-looking Asari at all), but I feel that for once with the Angara, it's the opposite. The famales are not very beautiful, I think, maybe it's the lack of breasts, their position (rounded back), etc... but the males look far more attractive. I always found the huuuuge lips that the ladies have were a bit off putting tbh, Angaran men with their thin lips? Mmmm yes please~
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