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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 22:30:18 GMT
I feel like there was more to Jaal's banter and personality but it was cut and they decided to make him focus on being a ladies man for some God forsake reason... I mean the first time Tom mentioned him he said he slays the ladies. I can't believe his character was just made to be like Zevran in a more PG-rated way.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on May 25, 2017 22:38:57 GMT
I feel like there was more to Jaal's banter and personality but it was cut and they decided to make him focus on being a ladies man for some God forsake reason... I mean the first time Tom mentioned him he said he slays the ladies. I can't believe his character was just made to be like Zevran in a more PG-rated way. I don't mind a character being a ladies' man. It's a character trait like any other. I just wish they hadn't devoted so much word budget to it, not where holy crap NEW SPECIES NEW GALAXY CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THAT. It's sort of the inverse of Tali's problem in ME1. I love Tali, but being honest, in ME1 she didn't have a lot of personality of her own. She was basically a walking quarian codex entry, and she got better as the series went on. Jaal, on the other hand, I get to know very well as an individual. But he doesn't do a great job of teaching the player about the angara. Arguably, his primary narrative function should be to get us familiar with this new galaxy and new people, and he kinda sucks at that. The ambient chatter on Aya was a more useful source of information about the angara than Jaal was.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 22:43:40 GMT
I feel like there was more to Jaal's banter and personality but it was cut and they decided to make him focus on being a ladies man for some God forsake reason... I mean the first time Tom mentioned him he said he slays the ladies. I can't believe his character was just made to be like Zevran in a more PG-rated way. I don't mind a character being a ladies' man. It's a character trait like any other. I just wish they hadn't devoted so much word budget to it, not where holy crap NEW SPECIES NEW GALAXY CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THAT. It's sort of the inverse of Tali's problem in ME1. I love Tali, but being honest, in ME1 she didn't have a lot of personality of her own. She was basically a walking quarian codex entry, and she got better as the series went on. Jaal, on the other hand, I get to know very well as an individual. But he doesn't do a great job of teaching the player about the angara. Arguably, his primary narrative function should be to get us familiar with this new galaxy and new people, and he kinda sucks at that. The ambient chatter on Aya was a more useful source of information about the angara than Jaal was. Yeah it's fine he charms the ladies, but it's about 70% of his banter. Oh yeah I always got bored taking to her because it was never about her. As for learning of the Angara and what they've been through, talking to Jaal, Shie, Evfra, the Moshae and Avela combined seems to work since each give a different view, plus the 3 elders who teach us about living under the Kett. PeeBee is also not a good source if a person who has never played ME wants learn about Asari, same with Vetra with Turians. Kallo is actually pretty decent about Salarians though.
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Post by vana on May 25, 2017 22:45:40 GMT
Guys, check out these angles! linkI'm glad my Ryder has the N7 armor on her in that scenes, most of the other armors seem so heavy or bulky in that kind of situation. But the kiss is really cute. About Liam's beer scene, no need to have all the outposts, I just had the one of Eos when I had the beer scenes. I guess you just needed to have flirted once with him, but not more? you don't even have to do his LM because he gave it to me just before but I didn't do it yet. And I wonder: why some people do not want a Jaal sex scene? that scene is quite romantic, why not enjoy it. I saw a video on youtube "rejecting Jaal" when he tries to kiss Ryder the first time, aaah, can't click on that, it would break my heart! Just like the videos of the Inquisitor breaking up with Cullen, the poor guy seemed so sad, I know they're virtual but still, it's so heart breaking About Garrus, I played the other ME without romancing him and the problem is mostly as I said in ME3 because if you didn't romance him first in ME2, you can't have him in ME3 and it's really unfair. I don't like Kaidan. So the romance was really messed up for a straight female gamer in ME3, my Thane barely said hello and bye bye. But yes in ME:A the game must feel empty if you do not take Jaal with you during missions because he seems really linked to all the scenario, always has something interesting to say (about Angaras, the Kert, etc). And he is a character ou can takewith you during missions! I romanced Cullen in DA:I (no, I don't like Solas at all) and I was really sad not being able to take him during missions. Fortunately he was waiting for you at "home" when you came back and you could have a kiss every time you visited his office I wish we could do the same with Jaal, having a little kiss when we talk to him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 22:51:57 GMT
Yeah I think the Jaal sex scene is not even a sex scene. It's a love scene. Romantic without being overly sexual. Plus how many guys pleasure their lady first before getting to the main part haha
Jaal tries to join in on the comm if you ignore him lol and I saw the rejection scene. He kind of seems to attempt to process everything between them leading up to that moment, trying to see what he got wrong. Also you only get that commitment/rejection scene if you flirt with him, so it's pretty cruel to string along an Angara since they are very emotional creatures.
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Post by beholderess on May 25, 2017 22:52:23 GMT
I'm wondering what happened with the pacing in Andromeda because there are times for me that even Jaal and Cora felt like they were missing something to say (even though they clearly got the most) Cora, definitely. And I think that, unfortunately, she's in the same boat as Jack, Thane, and several other ME characters where you don't get nearly as much of the character through the friendship route as you do through the romance. Which is...auuuuuugh, so FRUSTRATING. I *know* they can write friendship routes that are as good as their romance ones. They just don't for some of the ME cast, for whatever bizarre reason. I think Jaal's problem is a little different from Cora's. He's an alien, so it feels like he should chip in on more things, and take longer to get to know Ryder and co. But a) the banter bug ruins that pacing and Jaal already has so much dialogue that giving him MORE doesn't really feel like it's solving the problem. IMO it's more that his word budget is misplaced. We have a huge banter chain about him snoring with Peebee in the Nomad, yet he doesn't talk much about things like his experience of first contact, differences between how he fights in the Resistance vs. the Initiative, SAM, or many other topics where he should take an interest.Unfortunately. So we have to fill the gaps with fanfiction
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Post by vana on May 25, 2017 22:56:30 GMT
I feel like there was more to Jaal's banter and personality but it was cut and they decided to make him focus on being a ladies man for some God forsake reason... I mean the first time Tom mentioned him he said he slays the ladies. I can't believe his character was just made to be like Zevran in a more PG-rated way. I'm glad they changed their mind and didn't make Jaal into a Zevran n.2... but the flirt banter is still there and detracting from the rest (Jaal seemed to have had only one girlfriend before, he was very young, it was just a kiss, he might even be virgin as far as we know), the Angara girls on Aya say they're not able to seduce him... it seems in contradiction with all the flirt banter with Peebee, what he says about Cora... It seems that the Bioware team changed their mind mid-way and made him into a more romantic character but without changing the party banter so it seems a bit odd. Especially when he flirts with other women when you are already in couple, just after he told Ryder very romantic things, and then "hey Peebee, what about Angara/Asari reproduction?" I hope they will really fix that.
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Post by lilyenachaos on May 25, 2017 22:57:54 GMT
Cora, definitely. And I think that, unfortunately, she's in the same boat as Jack, Thane, and several other ME characters where you don't get nearly as much of the character through the friendship route as you do through the romance. Which is...auuuuuugh, so FRUSTRATING. I *know* they can write friendship routes that are as good as their romance ones. They just don't for some of the ME cast, for whatever bizarre reason. I think Jaal's problem is a little different from Cora's. He's an alien, so it feels like he should chip in on more things, and take longer to get to know Ryder and co. But a) the banter bug ruins that pacing and Jaal already has so much dialogue that giving him MORE doesn't really feel like it's solving the problem. IMO it's more that his word budget is misplaced. We have a huge banter chain about him snoring with Peebee in the Nomad, yet he doesn't talk much about things like his experience of first contact, differences between how he fights in the Resistance vs. the Initiative, SAM, or many other topics where he should take an interest.Unfortunately. So we have to fill the gaps with fanfiction Yassssss. Fanfiction. :amirite:
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Post by Gwyvian on May 25, 2017 23:01:28 GMT
That's the reason I go for Jaal romance - it is not just about Ryder's personal life, but very much about the people united. Like it or not, we are representatives, and closing credits just aren't full without this particular kiss Out of all the ending kisses, it's more about how he picks her up in his arms as they celebrate their victory that really gets me. Gwyvian I don't romance females, and I don't really like Liara. People say Jaal is the new Liara, forced on you, but if I romance another he doesn't try to hit on me like it feels like she does, though she doesn't really if you know what I mean? Like she made me feel as if I was cheating on her, but Jaal doesn't do that. Also poor Ian just said on Twitter that the media won't let him tell us when the m/m patch will be out. Hey, that's fine if that's your preference - but we we're talking about how a particular romance seems to be meant to be or the canon, I'm just pointing out that Garrus isn't the only one in MET. Whether or not you like the character or tried the romance is a different matter. Tbh, I would say that Jaal is kind of like that though - not in the same way as Liara, but because so much of the game is about the angara specifically, his LM even has a major plot function (since the Roekaar are a threat you regularly meet in the field) and he does have the most LI content as far as I know. Not that I mind! I adore having so much Jaal and having such a deep plot connection, but that really does make it seem like it's kind of forced on you if you're not a Jaalmancer. I mean, I take myself as an example that romancing anyone else at this point really makes me feel like I'm missing out with the angara angle, no matter how awesome the others are you just don't get that kind of involvement. Also - I dunno, my opinion on Jaal's flirts has really changed. Sure, being a lady's man is part of his character but now that I'm actually getting way more banter, I don't feel it as too much or being over the top, it's more that he helps each one of the squad open up both to him and in general. E.g. Vetra's dialogue with him is just amazing that way, I really love that interaction.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 23:02:30 GMT
I feel like there was more to Jaal's banter and personality but it was cut and they decided to make him focus on being a ladies man for some God forsake reason... I mean the first time Tom mentioned him he said he slays the ladies. I can't believe his character was just made to be like Zevran in a more PG-rated way. I'm glad they changed their mind and didn't make Jaal into a Zevran n.2... but the flirt banter is still there and detracting from the rest (Jaal seemed to have had only one girlfriend before, he was very young, it was just a kiss, he might even be virgin as far as we know), the Angara girls on Aya say they're not able to seduce him... it seems in contradiction with all the flirt banter with Peebee, what he says about Cora... It seems that the Bioware team changed their mind mid-way and made him into a more romantic character but without changing the party banter so it seems a bit odd. Especially when he flirts with other women when you are already in couple, just after he told Ryder very romantic things, and then "hey Peebee, what about Angara/Asari reproduction?" I hope they will really fix that. I got all that PeeBee banter during a long trip to Voeld, so once we were together they were just friends lol I'm not sure what they were going for with Jaal. He's not really flirting with Cora and Vetra. It's just honest compliments and admitting he can't help that he stares at their bodies. As for PeeBee, he only says he's flirting after she says it first because if you follow the banter chain, it seems he was always trolling her after he learned her ways with charming everyone. He is only sincere with Ryder regarding his feelings, and says no one compares, but unless you get the early banter out of the way it gets a bit odd. The minute he joins the Tempest is when he and PeeBee start their thing, but it ends once the facility is destroyed if you keep her in the squad the whole time.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 23:07:07 GMT
Out of all the ending kisses, it's more about how he picks her up in his arms as they celebrate their victory that really gets me. Gwyvian I don't romance females, and I don't really like Liara. People say Jaal is the new Liara, forced on you, but if I romance another he doesn't try to hit on me like it feels like she does, though she doesn't really if you know what I mean? Like she made me feel as if I was cheating on her, but Jaal doesn't do that. Also poor Ian just said on Twitter that the media won't let him tell us when the m/m patch will be out. Hey, that's fine if that's your preference - but we we're talking about how a particular romance seems to be meant to be or the canon, I'm just pointing out that Garrus isn't the only one in MET. Whether or not you like the character or tried the romance is a different matter. Tbh, I would say that Jaal is kind of like that though - not in the same way as Liara, but because so much of the game is about the angara specifically, his LM even has a major plot function (since the Roekaar are a threat you regularly meet in the field) and he does have the most LI content as far as I know. Not that I mind! I adore having so much Jaal and having such a deep plot connection, but that really does make it seem like it's kind of forced on you if you're not a Jaalmancer. I mean, I take myself as an example that romancing anyone else at this point really makes me feel like I'm missing out with the angara angle, no matter how awesome the others are you just don't get that kind of involvement. Also - I dunno, my opinion on Jaal's flirts has really changed. Sure, being a lady's man is part of his character but now that I'm actually getting way more banter, I don't feel it as too much or being over the top, it's more that he helps each one of the squad open up both to him and in general. E.g. Vetra's dialogue with him is just amazing that way, I really love that interaction. Oh yeah I agree about Liara and and Jaal are similar that way, but when it comes to the romance, I don't feel like I'm cheating on him lol Liara makes me feel bad for romancing someone else. With Jaal it just feels empty if he's not romanced. Yeah and I think his interest in PeeBee is because she's the most introverted and to him she was an experiment to try and see if he could open her up, and his own attraction to her (which is natural. Seems blue skin is attractive to Angara) fades eventually and I think in the end it's Ryder she always wanted because she always asks to fool around if you're single, and both her and Jaal don't share if they take a lover, so she's not one to cheat and being with him would make them both miserable. They both want Ryder LOL!
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Post by vana on May 25, 2017 23:14:40 GMT
I'm glad they changed their mind and didn't make Jaal into a Zevran n.2... but the flirt banter is still there and detracting from the rest (Jaal seemed to have had only one girlfriend before, he was very young, it was just a kiss, he might even be virgin as far as we know), the Angara girls on Aya say they're not able to seduce him... it seems in contradiction with all the flirt banter with Peebee, what he says about Cora... It seems that the Bioware team changed their mind mid-way and made him into a more romantic character but without changing the party banter so it seems a bit odd. Especially when he flirts with other women when you are already in couple, just after he told Ryder very romantic things, and then "hey Peebee, what about Angara/Asari reproduction?" I hope they will really fix that. I got all that PeeBee banter during a long trip to Voeld, so once we were together they were just friends lol I'm not sure what they were going for with Jaal. He's not really flirting with Cora and Vetra. It's just honest compliments and admitting he can't help that he stares at their bodies. As for PeeBee, he only says he's flirting after she says it first because if you follow the banter chain, it seems he was always trolling her after he learned her ways with charming everyone. He is only sincere with Ryder regarding his feelings, and says no one compares, but unless you get the early banter out of the way it gets a bit odd. The minute he joins the Tempest is when he and PeeBee start their thing, but it ends once the facility is destroyed if you keep her in the squad the whole time. The thing is that I don't really like Peebee and didn't want to hear them flirt as well (because guys I want to romance, flirting with other women... I don't find that appealing) and so they didn't have that party banter yet in my game. So if I take them both now in the Nomad they WILL, and my Ryder is already in couple, so I really don't want to hear that especially now, Jaal would just sound like a jerk trying to cheat on Ryder. I got the Cora banter and this one is "ok", even if it's also not especially pleasant for Ryder to hear her boyfriend, in front of her, openly claiming he watches and prefers other women's bodies. For Vetra, I think it's not really flirting. Even with Cora, sounded more like a statement, not like "I'm attracted to you".
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I got all that PeeBee banter during a long trip to Voeld, so once we were together they were just friends lol I'm not sure what they were going for with Jaal. He's not really flirting with Cora and Vetra. It's just honest compliments and admitting he can't help that he stares at their bodies. As for PeeBee, he only says he's flirting after she says it first because if you follow the banter chain, it seems he was always trolling her after he learned her ways with charming everyone. He is only sincere with Ryder regarding his feelings, and says no one compares, but unless you get the early banter out of the way it gets a bit odd. The minute he joins the Tempest is when he and PeeBee start their thing, but it ends once the facility is destroyed if you keep her in the squad the whole time. The thing is that I don't really like Peebee and didn't want to hear them flirt as well (because guys I want to romance, flirting with other women... I don't find that appealing) and so they didn't have that party banter yet in my game. So if I take them both now in the Nomad they WILL, and my Ryder is already in couple, so I really don't want to hear that especially now, Jaal would just sound like a jerk trying to cheat on Ryder. I got the Cora banter and this one is "ok", even if it's also not especially pleasant for Ryder to hear her boyfriend, in front of her, openly claiming he watches and prefers other women's bodies. For Vetra, I think it's not really flirting. Even with Cora, sounded more like a statement, not like "I'm attracted to you". That banter should be locked out once in a romance. Oh yeah Vetra's is not bad. No what makes Vetra's bad is when Jaal says PeeBee is watching him, and as their banter chain continues, he eventually says to Vetra he finds himself looking back at Peebee. THAT you don't want to hear if you are committed to either of them!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 23:24:37 GMT
Also on an unrelated topic, is it just me or do the Kett remind you guys of the Darkspawn? When we enter the Salarian Ark SAM comments on how some Kett stuff has been added, and it reminds me of how the Darkspawn always had little things added to the areas they claimed, like statues or torn apart bodies on sticks.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 25, 2017 23:34:30 GMT
Hey, that's fine if that's your preference - but we we're talking about how a particular romance seems to be meant to be or the canon, I'm just pointing out that Garrus isn't the only one in MET. Whether or not you like the character or tried the romance is a different matter. Tbh, I would say that Jaal is kind of like that though - not in the same way as Liara, but because so much of the game is about the angara specifically, his LM even has a major plot function (since the Roekaar are a threat you regularly meet in the field) and he does have the most LI content as far as I know. Not that I mind! I adore having so much Jaal and having such a deep plot connection, but that really does make it seem like it's kind of forced on you if you're not a Jaalmancer. I mean, I take myself as an example that romancing anyone else at this point really makes me feel like I'm missing out with the angara angle, no matter how awesome the others are you just don't get that kind of involvement. Also - I dunno, my opinion on Jaal's flirts has really changed. Sure, being a lady's man is part of his character but now that I'm actually getting way more banter, I don't feel it as too much or being over the top, it's more that he helps each one of the squad open up both to him and in general. E.g. Vetra's dialogue with him is just amazing that way, I really love that interaction. Oh yeah I agree about Liara and and Jaal are similar that way, but when it comes to the romance, I don't feel like I'm cheating on him lol Liara makes me feel bad for romancing someone else. With Jaal it just feels empty if he's not romanced. Yeah and I think his interest in PeeBee is because she's the most introverted and to him she was an experiment to try and see if he could open her up, and his own attraction to her (which is natural. Seems blue skin is attractive to Angara) fades eventually and I think in the end it's Ryder she always wanted because she always asks to fool around if you're single, and both her and Jaal don't share if they take a lover, so she's not one to cheat and being with him would make them both miserable. They both want Ryder LOL! I think this is a case of angaran openness being kind of weird for humans. I mean, even in a relationship you may still find other people attractive but you don't talk about it in front of your partner, it's not considered acceptable behavior - but that's us. Honesty, I'd rather have my partner be open about it than hide it from me and perhaps become infatuated because of the secrecy and the concept of forbidden desire - sure, you need to work out jealously problems if you have them to begin with, but it is, after all, normal to appreciate other people, you don't go blind the moment you're in a romance. With Peebee I wouldn't call it an experiment exactly, more like... he figured out what her buttons are and found a way to get closer to her in a friendship rather than a romance, which involves poking fun at her because she's a little gullible in this area. But she takes it in good stride, he hits the mark. Liara - honestly, I never felt that way, that I'm cheating on her I mean (and actually technically I did, so...). I mean, she really likes Shepard, but she's also a very warm, open individual who can love you without requiring anything from you and I like her a lot for that. I always romance her in ME1 because Kaidan's not my style and as I said, I hate Ashley, but even when I told her I want to just be friends she was really cool about it. I mean, obviously disappointed, but she can be a very good friend when she backs off, she never once propositioned me or anything. But maybe my read on her character is just different. *shrug*
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Post by vana on May 25, 2017 23:36:08 GMT
The problem is that this kind of banter is not locked out once in a romance... that's what I would like to see fixed I wonder if the people romancing Peebee have the same problem, because she's clearly attracted by Jaal and doesn't miss a chance to say it. Scott: Peebee, I love you. Peebee: I love you too, Scott, you're the best! Scott: Peebee: by the way I want to reproduce sooo much with an Angara, Jaal is so hot! Lexi, can I have access to his personal data? hihi! Scott: ...
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 23:40:59 GMT
Oh yeah I agree about Liara and and Jaal are similar that way, but when it comes to the romance, I don't feel like I'm cheating on him lol Liara makes me feel bad for romancing someone else. With Jaal it just feels empty if he's not romanced. Yeah and I think his interest in PeeBee is because she's the most introverted and to him she was an experiment to try and see if he could open her up, and his own attraction to her (which is natural. Seems blue skin is attractive to Angara) fades eventually and I think in the end it's Ryder she always wanted because she always asks to fool around if you're single, and both her and Jaal don't share if they take a lover, so she's not one to cheat and being with him would make them both miserable. They both want Ryder LOL! I think this is a case of angaran openness being kind of weird for humans. I mean, even in a relationship you may still find other people attractive but you don't talk about it in front of your partner, it's not considered acceptable behavior - but that's us. Honesty, I'd rather have my partner be open about it than hide it from me and perhaps become infatuated because of the secrecy and the concept of forbidden desire - sure, you need to work out jealously problems if you have them to begin with, but it is, after all, normal to appreciate other people, you don't go blind the moment you're in a romance. With Peebee I wouldn't call it an experiment exactly, more like... he figured out what her buttons are and found a way to get closer to her in a friendship rather than a romance, which involves poking fun at her because she's a little gullible in this area. But she takes it in good stride, he hits the mark. Liara - honestly, I never felt that way, that I'm cheating on her I mean (and actually technically I did, so...). I mean, she really likes Shepard, but she's also a very warm, open individual who can love you without requiring anything from you and I like her a lot for that. I always romance her in ME1 because Kaidan's not my style and as I said, I hate Ashley, but even when I told her I want to just be friends she was really cool about it. I mean, obviously disappointed, but she can be a very good friend when she backs off, she never once propositioned me or anything. But maybe my read on her character is just different. *shrug* Yeah I agree. Good points on that! Sadly he is also not fond of how Asari mate, so that also kills anything that might have happened if things were different, but I do think they have a sweet friendship by the end, even though he trolls her hard when she tries to comfort him. It's not in ME1 or 2, but it's 3 where Liara felt off... not sure why. Many things felt forced, and Kaidan himself was forced on me too due to bad timing and poor flagging. vana same with PeeBee. If you romance her, you go through the same thing. She flirts with everyone!
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Post by vana on May 25, 2017 23:48:33 GMT
The thing is, you can expect to see your romanced character flirting a bit (not in front of you, but let's put that on Angara openness, but I'm not convinced) IF it is a character who is the Zevran/Peebee type. After all, you know what you sign for when you romance that kind of character (same goes with Iron Bull).
But when you romance a character like, let's say, Alistair, Cullen, or Jaal, well I don't expect them to flirt just under the hero's nose if they are in couple, as they are supposed to be loyal/romantic types of characters. I guess it's also because the gamer who romances that type of character likes romantic/loyal types of romances and not seeing their romanced character flirt away/cheat/whatever.
Of course someone is free to think that other people are attractive/beautiful (and they must be diplomatic about that), but openly flirting is something else entirely.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 25, 2017 23:55:26 GMT
I think this is a case of angaran openness being kind of weird for humans. I mean, even in a relationship you may still find other people attractive but you don't talk about it in front of your partner, it's not considered acceptable behavior - but that's us. Honesty, I'd rather have my partner be open about it than hide it from me and perhaps become infatuated because of the secrecy and the concept of forbidden desire - sure, you need to work out jealously problems if you have them to begin with, but it is, after all, normal to appreciate other people, you don't go blind the moment you're in a romance. With Peebee I wouldn't call it an experiment exactly, more like... he figured out what her buttons are and found a way to get closer to her in a friendship rather than a romance, which involves poking fun at her because she's a little gullible in this area. But she takes it in good stride, he hits the mark. Liara - honestly, I never felt that way, that I'm cheating on her I mean (and actually technically I did, so...). I mean, she really likes Shepard, but she's also a very warm, open individual who can love you without requiring anything from you and I like her a lot for that. I always romance her in ME1 because Kaidan's not my style and as I said, I hate Ashley, but even when I told her I want to just be friends she was really cool about it. I mean, obviously disappointed, but she can be a very good friend when she backs off, she never once propositioned me or anything. But maybe my read on her character is just different. *shrug* Yeah I agree. Good points on that! Sadly he is also not fond of how Asari mate, so that also kills anything that might have happened if things were different, but I do think they have a sweet friendship by the end, even though he trolls her hard when she tries to comfort him. It's not in ME1 or 2, but it's 3 where Liara felt off... not sure why. Many things felt forced, and Kaidan himself was forced on me too due to bad timing and poor flagging. vana same with PeeBee. If you romance her, you go through the same thing. She flirts with everyone! I'm really biased about ME3 because I adore that game so very much, all of it. With regard to Liara in ME3 - she becomes a different person, I saw her changes as a natural evolution of her character once she becomes the Shadowbroker, I mean, that's bound to change anyone. I especially liked her role in ME3 because she becomes this person with great power and influence, yet ultimately she is powerless to stop the Reapers from taking Thessia, plus the stress she goes through with Javik and his revelations; in general a lot of things which are important to her are callously turned upside down and inside out, I really feel for her because of this. But she's also incredibly strong and also remains warm and open with you despite all this hardship, that makes her a great character in my eyes. Kaidan - hahaha I got a confession from him my first PT and I was confused, like... what did I do?? But he was also really cool about it I think. So, you know I really love Jaal, but I think it's really classy when a character loves you and takes your rejection so well - Jaal does too, but you also feel like you just stabbed him with a knife, it's really painful to watch. It suits his character and the angara, but it makes me walk on eggshells around him if he's not the LI of choice. Edit: stupid phone spelling.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 23:56:55 GMT
The thing is, you can expect to see your romanced character flirting a bit (not in front of you, but let's put that on Angara openness, but I'm not convinced) IF it is a character who is the Zevran/Peebee type. After all, you know what you sign for when you romance that kind of character (same goes with Iron Bull). But when you romance a character like, let's say, Alistair, Cullen, or Jaal, well I don't expect them to flirt just under the hero's nose if they are in couple, as they are supposed to be loyal/romantic types of characters. I guess it's also because the gamer who romances that type of character likes romantic/loyal types of romances and not seeing their romanced character flirt away/cheat/whatever. Of course someone is free to think that other people are attractive/beautiful (and they must be diplomatic about that), but openly flirting is something else entirely. I agree. One of the devs even compared Jaal to Alistair, and Jaal himself says Angara prefer loyal partners, so I'm just going to chalk it up to Jaal's curiosity and honesty (he's apparently worse than most Angara) because despite the poorly timed banter, Jaal is indeed true to you and that's good enough for me. Now if I walked in on him having a Garrus/Tali moment with PeeBee, while we're together, then I'd be pretty turned off! Also if you romance Reyes, even if you never flirted with Jaal, Sara asks if he's jealous, so in the end Jaal's eyes were always on Sara and never left them like they did PeeBee.
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Post by Gwyvian on May 25, 2017 23:59:38 GMT
The thing is, you can expect to see your romanced character flirting a bit (not in front of you, but let's put that on Angara openness, but I'm not convinced) IF it is a character who is the Zevran/Peebee type. After all, you know what you sign for when you romance that kind of character (same goes with Iron Bull). But when you romance a character like, let's say, Alistair, Cullen, or Jaal, well I don't expect them to flirt just under the hero's nose if they are in couple, as they are supposed to be loyal/romantic types of characters. I guess it's also because the gamer who romances that type of character likes romantic/loyal types of romances and not seeing their romanced character flirt away/cheat/whatever. Of course someone is free to think that other people are attractive/beautiful (and they must be diplomatic about that), but openly flirting is something else entirely. You know what bothers me the most about this? Jaal gets so sulky if you flirt with Reyes (or anyone else I assume?), but then he goes and does the same. Even if it's playful and not serious, I think that just doesn't make sense, nor is it fair at all. If he is that kind of character, then make it even and don't have a problem with Ryder flirting with everyone in sight, if not, then take out those banter lines and give him friendship ones instead. Unless angara are unilaterally polygamous, in which case disclosure would have been nice.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 0:00:51 GMT
Yeah I agree. Good points on that! Sadly he is also not fond of how Asari mate, so that also kills anything that might have happened if things were different, but I do think they have a sweet friendship by the end, even though he trolls her hard when she tries to comfort him. It's not in ME1 or 2, but it's 3 where Liara felt off... not sure why. Many things felt forced, and Kaidan himself was forced on me too due to bad timing and poor flagging. vana same with PeeBee. If you romance her, you go through the same thing. She flirts with everyone! I'm really biased about ME3 because I adore that game so very much, all of it. With regard to Liara in ME3 - she becomes a different person, I saw her changes as a natural evolution of her character once she becomes the Shadowbroker, I mean, that's bound to change anyone. I especially liked her role in ME3 because she becomes this person with great power and influence,yet ultimately she is powerless to stop the Reapers from taking Thessia, plus the stress she goes through with Javik and his revelations; in general a lot of things which are important to her are callously turned upside down and I side out, I really feel for her because of this. But she's also incredibly strong and also remains warm and open with you despite all this hardship, that makes her a great character in my eyes. Kaidan - hahaha I got a confession from him my first PT and I was confused, like... what did I do?? But he was also really cool about it I think. So, you know I really love Jaal, but I think it's really classy when a character loves you and takes your rejection so well - Jaal does too, but you also feel like you just stabbed him with a knife, it's really painful to watch. It suits his character and the angara, but it makes me walk on eggshells around him if he's not the LI of choice. As a friend Liara grew on me, but it seems Mac did the Mars scene, and even Kaidan was off compared to how Kathleen wrote him if you are romancing him. They switch up the writers for different scenes, so we get a bit of a contradiction sometimes. Jaal is different though because you started it by flirting with him. Kaidan has always been in love with Shepard, so I think he's a first in BW romances to have always loved the PC no matter what. Anders would be a close second.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 0:12:35 GMT
Haha I love Kandros! He was so in character in that fic!
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Post by beholderess on May 26, 2017 0:23:18 GMT
Also on an unrelated topic, is it just me or do the Kett remind you guys of the Darkspawn? When we enter the Salarian Ark SAM comments on how some Kett stuff has been added, and it reminds me of how the Darkspawn always had little things added to the areas they claimed, like statues or torn apart bodies on sticks. I do see a lot of visual similarities, the main difference being brown vs green color palette One would have thought that beings obsessed with genetic perfection would have made themselves not so goddamn ugly. Also, I can't help but roll my eyes about there being yet another Bioware antagonistic race with an assimilation plot. Seriously, do something else for once! That being said, I rather enjoyed having the Kett as antagonists. Neither the Reapers nor Achdemon - or Corypheus, for that matter - inspired such a pure and satisfying righteous fury. An Archdemon was just a boss fight - with the Archon, I wanted to punch him right into that smug face. "I must control my fury or let slip all that I've thought / But vengeance would not be enough for all the grief you've wrought / Gods grant this day you fall beneath the steel of me and mine / And drink full deeply of defeat, that cold and bitter wine". Ahem. Got carried away. Goddamn poetry. But the sentiment stands. Or, in the words of Casual!Ryder, "Everyone in this cluster deserves some fucking payback". Plus there is enough hints about their home world and society to keep me interested in learning more about them
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