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Post by janalilith on May 27, 2017 15:55:58 GMT
I'll continue to share stuff about Jaal, then, as I'm playing the game for the first time it's all new to me. I hope I won't end up alone here Jaal should really not wear his cape all the time, we really miss something >__< (found that on tumblr) I'm still around! I'm still around!! *stares at Jaal's butt*
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Post by janalilith on May 27, 2017 16:08:09 GMT
Maybe I'm foolish too but I have a good feeling about the possibility of biJaal. I'm really crossing my fingers. Seriously, if it happens I might attempt a cartwheel - and I'm really out of shape right now so that would be really a bad idea LOL. But that's how friggin happy I will be. So let's cross our fingers together and hope for the best. lol dont hurt yourself with that cartwheel dear XD but we can clap together!!! I have the money here covered in dust waiting to buy this game full price if that ever happen, no jokes! this brings me good memories, I know it didnt work but good memories are good for the soul so I'm going to do it PRAYER CIRCLE FOR BI JAAL Well I have started working out again lol. Maybe I'll be in better shape by the time they release it? Have bronchitis for nearly a month really sets one back. :| But I'll sacrifice the cartwheel if they release it sooner!! Or risk the injury lol.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 27, 2017 16:18:43 GMT
Well I have started working out again lol. Maybe I'll be in better shape by the time they release it? Have bronchitis for nearly a month really sets one back. :| But I'll sacrifice the cartwheel if they release it sooner!! Or risk the injury lol. haha I support you in your quest for the perfect cartwheel, this is me I hope you're better from that bronchitis, that sucks!!
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Post by vana on May 27, 2017 17:50:03 GMT
I never did Gil or Reyes' romances but, a non-squadmate romance can be very nice too. Cullen for example in DA:I was my favorite romance and he was not a squadmate. Of course, I would have loved to bring him everywhere with me in my missions, but even as non-squadmate, I really did enjoy his romance. But I understand that someone can of course prefer Jaal to Gil or Reyes, squadmate or not. I wonder if it is a lot of work to make Jaal a possible romance for men (more voice acting, etc). I also wonder if he was supposed to be bi in the first place and then they didn't have time/budget for that and changed their mind? I thought so at first, but when I see Jaal only flirting with women and things like "will my scar impress the ladies?", maybe they never intended to make him bi in the first place. But still, if they want they can do it now, if time and budget allows it. Fingers crossed for all the men who want to romance sweetie Jaal
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on May 27, 2017 18:37:33 GMT
I never did Gil or Reyes' romances but, a non-squadmate romance can be very nice too. Cullen for example in DA:I was my favorite romance and he was not a squadmate. Of course, I would have loved to bring him everywhere with me in my missions, but even as non-squadmate, I really did enjoy his romance. But I understand that someone can of course prefer Jaal to Gil or Reyes, squadmate or not. I wonder if it is a lot of work to make Jaal a possible romance for men (more voice acting, etc). I also wonder if he was supposed to be bi in the first place and then they didn't have time/budget for that and changed their mind? I thought so at first, but when I see Jaal only flirting with women and things like "will my scar impress the ladies?", maybe they never intended to make him bi in the first place. But still, if they want they can do it now, if time and budget allows it. Fingers crossed for all the men who want to romance sweetie Jaal After I did a play through doing Jaal's romance and a play through without, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between a romanced Jaal and a non romanced Jaal (at least imo). I can't imagine they would have to add a lot of new voice work, just a few lines for some Scott specific scenes, so bi Jaal doesn't seem like it would be too hard to implement if they really wanted. Also since Scott and Sara are close in size that should make any animation issues that pop up easier to fix and since they needed the voice actors back in the studio for DLC anyway, it would be the perfect time to get it done. Gwyvian I hope you're feeling better. I got brave and finally started playing actual real people at gwent lolz, the snarky insults are hilarious and I'm at level 7 now . I won a few rounds and still struggle a little but the only deck I know how to navigate right now is the monster deck, as it's my favorite. I should probably try out the other ones but haven't felt like it. At least it's really nice to pass the time with until the next Andromeda patch finally arrives.
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Post by vana on May 27, 2017 18:43:45 GMT
I just discovered Elaaden, and you know, there is that scavenger who talks aggressively to Ryder. And it was really funny because Jaal just stopped right in front of him, like "Grrrr... what did you say? apologize to her!! NOW!" haha sorry for the quality it's a photo, didn't figure how to take a screenshot yet on ps4...
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Post by fadburger on May 27, 2017 19:16:00 GMT
I never did Gil or Reyes' romances but, a non-squadmate romance can be very nice too.
Cullen for example in DA:I was my favorite romance and he was not a squadmate. Of course, I would have loved to bring him everywhere with me in my missions, but even as non-squadmate, I really did enjoy his romance. But I understand that someone can of course prefer Jaal to Gil or Reyes, squadmate or not. I wonder if it is a lot of work to make Jaal a possible romance for men (more voice acting, etc). I also wonder if he was supposed to be bi in the first place and then they didn't have time/budget for that and changed their mind? I thought so at first, but when I see Jaal only flirting with women and things like "will my scar impress the ladies?", maybe they never intended to make him bi in the first place. But still, if they want they can do it now, if time and budget allows it. Fingers crossed for all the men who want to romance sweetie Jaal The problem with Gil and Reyes' romances is that they don't have nearly as much content as the DAI adviser romances unfortunately. Then there is Jill in Gil's story line which is a whole other can of worms... They could have been at least somewhat satisfying, even though not taking your LI with you everywhere is kind of sad. Also re: Jaal flirting with the ladies, I think even female Jaal-mancers aren't huge fans of his flirty comments to the crewmates, and the dialogues are broken too so even if you're committed to Jaal he still makes them...so I think if they got rid of those comments altogether to make bi-Jaal even easier to put into the game nobody would complain lol
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Post by vana on May 27, 2017 19:47:08 GMT
Yes it's sad that Gil and Reyes don't have a lot of content. A friend did romance Reyes and was a bit dissapointed about the lack of content (or/and lack of sex scene at the end?) Sure, I'm not fan of the flirt party banter either (especially with Peebee in fact, because for Cora and Vetra I don't really see that as real flirt, he is very honest and I think that he could say that to anyone) but I don't think they will remove that from the game (or they will delete half of Peebee/Jaal banter) but at least they should remove it once you romance him, that's for sure.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 27, 2017 19:58:05 GMT
You guys made good points about Gil and Reyes, however even if they had the same amount of content than Josie or Cullen, I would be still pissed without a squadmate, I mean the fact that you can bring your lover with you in the field fighting with you helps you to build a bigger relationship even if that is not of romantic nature, I dont know how to explain it About Jaal flirting with all the ladies, well that it's a trope that we m/m players have been suffered since forever Zevran, Iron Bull, Kaidan, all these bi characters talk about their taste in woman and they forget about men. I mean Iron Bull can be with Dorian, but it requires to bring both of them with you many times, it's easily to miss it (I missed it in my Cullen romance playthrough >_<) I hope they learned their lesson and no more Bioware Montreal
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Post by vana on May 27, 2017 20:11:55 GMT
You guys made good points about Gil and Reyes, however even if they had the same amount of content than Josie or Cullen, I would be still pissed without a squadmate, I mean the fact that you can bring your lover with you in the field fighting with you helps you to build a bigger relationship even if that is not of romantic nature, I dont know how to explain it About Jaal flirting with all the ladies, well that it's a trope that we m/m players have been suffered since forever Zevran, Iron Bull, Kaidan, all these bi characters talk about their taste in woman and they forget about men. I mean Iron Bull can be with Dorian, but it requires to bring both of them with you many times, it's easily to miss it (I missed it in my Cullen romance playthrough >_<) I hope they learned their lesson and no more Bioware Montreal It seemed to me that Zevran was also talking about liking men, several times (even if I admit he talks more about ladies I guess), and Iron bull seems to like everyone, man or woman, it's the impression he gave me but I didn't romance him so I do not know how he is during his romance scenes. However, problem reversed, I wish I could have romanced Dorian because he's a very interesting character, but I couldn't. But that's fine, I like diversity, everyone cannot be made bi I guess. But yes if you romance none of them, Dorian and Iron bull end up together I can understand that not doing missions with your romanced character can be frustrating. When I was romancing Cullen I discovered that I took the Templar path, and if I had taken the Mage path (when we have to side with them) there was a whole mission where Cullen was coming and fighting with the team! and I missed that! the ONLY time he was coming. Raah, it pissed me off!
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Post by Salty Drell on May 27, 2017 20:20:00 GMT
What's this? I could sense it, the demand for bi Jaal, and here I am. Will BioWare finally do the right thing? Who knows... Hi fadburger, haven't been around much lately.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 27, 2017 20:20:54 GMT
vana the thing with Zevran is that he tells you without fear that he prefers woman because of their smell and soft skin (something like that), but if you are a male warden he carefully tell you that he's interested in men and he tells you if that it's ok with you, and ofc this is only to not harm dudebros manly sensibility, which makes it even worse. Iron Bull doesnt flirt with any men besides Dorian, he brags of having sex with every woman that requires his services, but never men!
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Post by Salty Drell on May 27, 2017 20:31:59 GMT
vana the thing with Zevran is that he tells you without fear that he prefers woman because of his smell and soft skin (something like that), but if you are a male warden he carefully tell you that he's interested in men and he tells you if that it's ok with you, and ofc this is only for not harming dudebros manly sensibility, which makes it even worse. Iron Bull doesnt flirt with any men besides Dorian, he brags of having sex with every woman that requires his services, but never men! It is BioWare's bisexual trope, where their male bisexual characters show more attraction to females and mostly only talk about females when not talking about the male player character. To me at this point it is a way of 'hiding the gay' and it's pretty tiring.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 27, 2017 20:40:41 GMT
Glad to see you are feeling positive Everyone has to find their own way to heal and throwing yourself in a game and the fandom seems like a fun/positive way to do it. I know I've dived into writing and fandoms to do the same when I've been dealing with similar circumstances. thanks for the love! Gaming definitely helps me "forget" the low times which is great in itself... but I always get the creeping thought that I wasn't productive enough if I was able to find time to game. (A stupid thought really, because everyone needs down time, employed or not) Decided to get in shape a bit too, as I am horrifically unfit, and I'm not talking weight wise, I'm slap bang perfect weight for my height/age. I'm talking, I CANT RUN UP STAIRS WITHOUT BEING OUT OF BREATH I'M SO UNFIT. As I'm still woefully unemployed, I've decided to try running on well known running paths, maybe that will kick some of my social anxiety in the peeenus while I'm at it... ALSO GYMS ARE EXPENSIVE AND SCARY
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Post by vana on May 27, 2017 20:58:07 GMT
vana the thing with Zevran is that he tells you without fear that he prefers woman because of his smell and soft skin (something like that), but if you are a male warden he carefully tell you that he's interested in men and he tells you if that it's ok with you, and ofc this is only for not harming dudebros manly sensibility, which makes it even worse. Iron Bull doesnt flirt with any men besides Dorian, he brags of having sex with every woman that requires his services, but never men! It is BioWare's bisexual trope, where their male bisexual characters show more attraction to females and mostly only talk about females when not talking about the male player character. To me at this point it is a way of 'hiding the gay' and it's pretty tiring. To make everyone happy when a character is bi they should not flirt with others at all... because if the characters says he is bi but prefers women, the male player is sad, but if the bi character claims he would prefer men, the female player can be sad, too... they should not show a real clear preference in fact. Maybe remaining evasive is the best solution. Like this everyone has his headcanon
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Post by PenDev0us on May 27, 2017 21:02:15 GMT
It is BioWare's bisexual trope, where their male bisexual characters show more attraction to females and mostly only talk about females when not talking about the male player character. To me at this point it is a way of 'hiding the gay' and it's pretty tiring. To make everyone happy when a character is bi they should not flirt with others at all... because if the characters says he is bi but prefers women, the male player is sad, but if the bi character claims he would prefer men, the female player can be sad, too... they should not show a real clear preference in fact. Maybe remaining evasive is the best solution. Like this everyone has his headcanon Didn't they do something similar with DA:2?
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Post by Salty Drell on May 27, 2017 21:02:24 GMT
It is BioWare's bisexual trope, where their male bisexual characters show more attraction to females and mostly only talk about females when not talking about the male player character. To me at this point it is a way of 'hiding the gay' and it's pretty tiring. To make everyone happy when a character is bi they should not flirt with others at all... because if the characters says he is bi but prefers women, the male player is sad, but if the bi character claims he would prefer men, the female player can be sad, too... they should not show a real clear preference in fact. Maybe remaining evasive is the best solution. Like this everyone has his headcanon They could remain evasive, or they could show equal interest in men and women. Either one would be good.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 27, 2017 21:22:35 GMT
In my opinion I dont mind the character has preference for women, bisexual people are like that in real life, some prefer women other men, and other fifty fifty. The thing with Bioware is that always the bi man LI prefers women and that is the tiring trope XD but yeah, if they can't figure out how to make everyone happy the better it's exclude that part. PenDev0us not exacly, I recall Isabela preferring women and Fenris can hook up with her. Not a problem for me that pairing even tho Bela is my canon romance!
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Post by vana on May 27, 2017 21:26:55 GMT
After, it depends on everyone own tastes, but in DA:2 they made them all bi, right? I know they tried to please a bit everyone, but it seems it didn't really work.
Personally I like it when there is diversity in a team of characters, just like in real life: some people are bi, some are gay, some are heterosexual... (but if you have a crush on a character you cannot romance, it's sad as well, so I guess it's hard to please everyone...)
The problem there is in ME:A , it seems, for male gay players, is that the gay romances do not have as much content as the others, or they are not squadmates.
It seems there was more equality for everyone in DA:Inquisition for example? Dorian was a really well-written character.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 27, 2017 21:47:21 GMT
Exactly! I dont like Dorian as LI (he is a wonderful character) because he's not my type, Cullen was my type and I'm still mourning him buuut except for the two extra LIs for straight women, the options were quite fair between demographics. MEA in other hand has been a trainwreck and they did it on purpose, not only they had five years of development to give us at least one squadmate, gaycaravaggio who leaked the romances, her source confirmed to her that they did it on purpose because they have in mind what dudebros would think first, and that is disheartening. The funny thing is that they pissed dudebros because they are always going to be pissed about gays, or strong women who are not barbie girls or SJWs. And they pissed their lgbtq loyal fanbase too.
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Post by PenDev0us on May 27, 2017 22:02:21 GMT
In my opinion I dont mind the character has preference for women, bisexual people are like that in real life, some prefer women other men, and other fifty fifty. The thing with Bioware is that always the bi man LI prefers women and that is the tiring trope XD but yeah, if they can't figure out how to make everyone happy the better it's exclude that part. PenDev0us not exacly, I recall Isabela preferring women and Fenris can hook up with her. Not a problem for me that pairing even tho Bela is my canon romance! Ahh must have missed that, I just remember someone (Carver/Aveline I think) saying she went after anything with a pulse, so I assumed she didn't have a preference
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Post by janalilith on May 27, 2017 22:03:38 GMT
A quick Jaal break for everyone, he'll give you energy for these discussions we're having. Jaal would so do that to Liam too lol. Cute pic above as well - I love that artist's work. It is so affectionate! I think what really bothers me is the whole bi thing - I don't think bi people appreciate being portrayed as only promiscuous and it seems they've all been that way in bioware games? I haven't played the MET yet and am only half way through DAO so I don't know this for sure but that's been the experience thus far. Now to realize that they are only flirting with females because we can't dare tempt, I mean, upset the dudebros... dudebros are always accusing "SJW's" of ruining gaming. Seems the other way around to me lol.
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Post by vana on May 27, 2017 22:06:04 GMT
Yeah Mass Effect in general (I'm still angry about the romances in ME3, almost everything locked if you didn't make the right choice in ME2) they focus on a male heterosexual gamers public, the romances were less developped than in a Dragon Age (this one, they know that more female gamers are playing to it). So after the huge dissapointment about having no romance as a straight woman in ME3, I was glad I finally had a sweet romance with Jaal in ME:A. But I admit, the game must feel quite empty when you don't romance him Davrin's boobs: yes I understand, my type of man is also the Cullen/Jaal type One of my favorite Jaal fanarts! by Crystal Graziano
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Post by Salty Drell on May 27, 2017 22:09:06 GMT
A quick Jaal break for everyone, he'll give you energy for these discussions we're having. Jaal would so do that to Liam too lol. Jaal and Liam? They're just friends, totally.
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