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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:52:37 GMT
Well like LC said if you look at it from the POV that it's an AU, then in this universe Scott is the soulmate while at the same time in a different universe it is Sara. They exist at the same time and yet separately. The thing is that they decided to make them both existing in the same story, at the same time. You can't say that one exist in this story and not the other. If it had been like Shepard, yes, that would have been very romantic because you would think "he falls in love with Shepard regardless of the gender, because he loves Shepard's personality, soul, beyond the physical looks, man or woman, he would have loved that person". THAT would have been beautiful. But in ME:A we can't pretend that it's either Sara or Scott, they are not two parts of the same character, they are different characters, living in the same story, interacting with each other. At least it's how I see it, to me, Jaal could fall for the sister or the brother, there is no soulmate anymore. To me it's a bit like discovering that the man you love would have fallen with your brother instead if he had met him before you did. And it kinda breaks the magic (if he had fallen in love with anyone else than Scott as well, I would have hated to see him end up with Peebee for example) That's why we call it an AU. Alternate Universe. In each universe Jaal has a soulmate, but they don't exist together. If you play as Sara, Jaal is her soulmate in that universe. Scott and Jaal as lovers don't exist. Same if Scott romances Jaal in another universe.
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Post by fuzzyshep on Jun 7, 2017 1:52:47 GMT
Yeaaaa. Guys, we're all better off not responding to ghostpants. They're just making another transparent attempt to stir things up. MOVING ON FROM THAT. Does anyone still have that gif of BroRyder walking up to Jaal when they first land on Aya? I know somebody made it back in the trailer days and I miss it now. I have Sara and Scott faces comparison during this moment if it helps. But both of them aren't really looking interested and Sara looks disappointed. HA! No no, while their frowny faces are adorable af that is not what I was looking for. xD It was just a gif from the trailer of the part where Scott is walking from the ship while Jaal came forward.
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Post by chococri on Jun 7, 2017 1:53:33 GMT
Dont you dare to assume the books gender LMAO Im sorry. I lost it but Im loving it. So many memes and jokes... Its 4am. Halp. Go to sleeeepppp, we'll still be shitposting tomorrow. NOE. WE ALMOST HIT 1993 PAGES. THATS MY BIRTHDAY.
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Post by Crim on Jun 7, 2017 1:54:02 GMT
I'm here for the salt.
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Post by caridounette on Jun 7, 2017 1:54:08 GMT
But ghostpants, honestly the reason there would be people upset for Dorian being turned bi is because there wasn't a fully gay male character in a Bioware game (I think at least in Bioware, but also in a lot of other games I'm sure) at all that was a romance option. And one that wasn't bi and hitting on females in game; he liked men and talked about men and had a back story that was very important for his writer to share. It was a very important character for gay players to have. It's not the same thing you are alluding to when you realize this; there are no double standards when you take that into account. I wish you wouldn't say you were disgusted either; that's hurtful. u are right, i over reacted, honestly i am happy for them and i hope Bioware makes more gay characters because they need to feel like they are playing the game, its natural. sorry everyone if i hurt u at the end we are all humans and say stupid things You were already sharing Jaal with all us Jaalmancer females now were just more to have a chance to enjoy the experience but I think it takes guts to say youre sorry, so kudos to you
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 1:54:08 GMT
Also I missed my birth year while I was eating. BOO.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 1:54:25 GMT
But ghostpants, honestly the reason there would be people upset for Dorian being turned bi is because there wasn't a fully gay male character in a Bioware game (I think at least in Bioware, but also in a lot of other games I'm sure) at all that was a romance option. And one that wasn't bi and hitting on females in game; he liked men and talked about men and had a back story that was very important for his writer to share. It was a very important character for gay players to have. It's not the same thing you are alluding to when you realize this; there are no double standards when you take that into account. I wish you wouldn't say you were disgusted either; that's hurtful. u are right, i over reacted, honestly i am happy for them and i hope Bioware makes more gay characters because they need to feel like they are playing the game, its natural. sorry everyone if i hurt u at the end we are all humans and say stupid things Meh, still don't like you Never seen you implied you're anything but homophobic so there's somewhere I think that half apology can go. Enjoying gay media is not the same as supporting LGBT and equality (which surprise surprise was he real reason behind bi Jaal movement) So be better next time
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Post by beholderess on Jun 7, 2017 1:54:29 GMT
About dicks and stuff
I did not mean to imply anything about gay men and emotion. For that, I apologise. I am just having flashbacks about some other threads on this forum, especially Evfra thread, where each time anything serious or amusing is posted it gets drowned in a... very particular kind of talk. Which, in that particular case, comes mostly from the people who wish him to be a m/m romance option And which is the reason I usually post anything about him here and not there
That does not, in any way, generalise to other people and other forums
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:54:54 GMT
So, I'm planning another playthrough to romance Jaal with Scott. Problem is, I was planning on making him a bit more pragmatic/renegade-ish. So... Will destroying the exaltation facility and shooting akksul cut off or negatively impact the romance?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:54:57 GMT
I'm here for the salt. There's only a spoon and it's being cleaned up. Everyone is so damn happy!!!
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Post by dhalion on Jun 7, 2017 1:55:16 GMT
Alright, I'm really looking forward to the star projection scene. It was a really cute and romantic scene already, adding the holding hands part will just make it even gr8er
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 7, 2017 1:55:54 GMT
Go to sleeeepppp, we'll still be shitposting tomorrow. NOE. WE ALMOST HIT 1993 PAGES. THATS MY BIRTHDAY. pequeñaja chococrispis
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Post by Salty Drell on Jun 7, 2017 1:56:10 GMT
u are right, i over reacted, honestly i am happy for them and i hope Bioware makes more gay characters because they need to feel like they are playing the game, its natural. sorry everyone if i hurt u at the end we are all humans and say stupid things You've done this before, so your apology rings hollow. Please think before you post next time. Yeah, because when you post, you can't take it back...
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Post by chococri on Jun 7, 2017 1:56:17 GMT
So, I'm planning another playthrough to romance Jaal with Scott. Problem is, I was planning on making him a bit more pragmatic/renegade-ish. So... Will destroying the exaltation facility and shooting akksul cut off or negatively impact the romance? It does with Sara so yeah, I guess so? Watch out with your decisions xD
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 1:56:19 GMT
So, I'm planning another playthrough to romance Jaal with Scott. Problem is, I was planning on making him a bit more pragmatic/renegade-ish. So... Will destroying the exaltation facility and shooting akksul cut off or negatively impact the romance? You can only choose one or Jaal will not be a romance option for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:56:26 GMT
So, I'm planning another playthrough to romance Jaal with Scott. Problem is, I was planning on making him a bit more pragmatic/renegade-ish. So... Will destroying the exaltation facility and shooting akksul cut off or negatively impact the romance? You can destroy it and still romance Jaal, but don't shoot Akksul too. Same with if you save the Angara and shoot Akksul. You can still have Jaal. You can't do both bad things though. He will force the friend route in his home.
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 1:57:08 GMT
So, I'm planning another playthrough to romance Jaal with Scott. Problem is, I was planning on making him a bit more pragmatic/renegade-ish. So... Will destroying the exaltation facility and shooting akksul cut off or negatively impact the romance? I think if you do both you get locked out of the romance, but don't quote me on that?
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Post by chococri on Jun 7, 2017 1:57:31 GMT
Alright, I'm really looking forward to the star projection scene. It was a really cute and romantic scene already, adding the holding hands part will just make it even gr8er SAME HERE. IT WAS GORGEOUS! Man... The hyyyypeeee ahhhHHH! New scenes... New lines... asddffsfd
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 1:57:48 GMT
So, I'm planning another playthrough to romance Jaal with Scott. Problem is, I was planning on making him a bit more pragmatic/renegade-ish. So... Will destroying the exaltation facility and shooting akksul cut off or negatively impact the romance? I think if you do both you get locked out of the romance, but don't quote me on that? Correct! ash tested it.
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Post by caridounette on Jun 7, 2017 1:58:41 GMT
The thing is that: - Yes, m/m gay romances had less content than the ones for females players - BUT we should not forget that the female gamers (especially the straight ones) also had way less content than straight male gamers (remember ME3, straight female gamers could end up with NO romance just like me, who romanced Thane before, was locked with him/Kaidan could die in ME1 so yes, we could end up with absolutly NOTHING) so both gay AND straight females always had less options than straight males, so instead of fighting each other, let's fight together for more options for both straight women AND gay/bi people. - I'm glad that gay/bi gamers can enjoy Jaal now, you'll see, he's fantastic! - I can also understand some straight females who see the magic broken somewhere because, in opposition to Shepard who was either female or male, Scott Ryder AND Sara Ryder both exist in this story, at the same time. It means that the fairytale of the alien who says that Sara is his soulmate, came from another galaxy and luck and fate made them meet and fall in love, sounded romantic and like "it's you and only you, no one could have taken your place" (Jaal seems to have resisted the seduction attempts of all the other Angaras, and doesn't even end up with Peebee) but NOW in fact, they rewrite that in a way meaning "h ey in fact, Sara would be the one in the coma, Jaal would have fallen in love with her brother instead". Story-wise is breaks the magic of the "unique soulmate".And I would have reacted the same way if Jaal was only m/m gay for example and said that Scott was his soulmate, and suddenly he's available for Sara and you realize that if Scott had stayed in the Hyperion, Jaal would have gone for Sara instead. It would break the magic of the "unique soulmate". I would feel the same if an unromanced Jaal would have ended up with Peebee or another person, it would be less romantic than the soulmate story. This is roleplay/story-wise. It has nothing to do with being bi or not (to bi or not to bi ) For gaming experience I totally understand that he is proposed for a new and cool experience for players who want m/m romance, and I'm happy for the people who will do that, especially if there is new content, that's cool. Yeah I can see that, but for me it's like an AU. Sara's story is AU and so is Scott's, and if the romanced sibling and the non-romanced one are both with Jaal (not both romantically like a threesome ) in a future game, he won't suddenly start looking at the twin differently. He's yours and that's that. Im not sure I understand the thing about your Scott brother ... (bolded part) Is it like if I had a female twin, my husband would fall in love with her instead of me? Like we would be the same person in character and interests ? Or is it my english lacking (that wouldnt surprise me)
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 1:59:26 GMT
But ghostpants, honestly the reason there would be people upset for Dorian being turned bi is because there wasn't a fully gay male character in a Bioware game (I think at least in Bioware, but also in a lot of other games I'm sure) at all that was a romance option. And one that wasn't bi and hitting on females in game; he liked men and talked about men and had a back story that was very important for his writer to share. It was a very important character for gay players to have. It's not the same thing you are alluding to when you realize this; there are no double standards when you take that into account. I wish you wouldn't say you were disgusted either; that's hurtful. Jaal is also only flirting with women (Peebee, Cora, Vetra), admiring only women's bodies (Cora is fit, Vetra gracious, talking about reproduction with Peebee), asks if his scar would he attractive to the ladies, had a girldfriend (Allia), had a crush on Avela, the female angara... So you cannot really say that Jaal looks bi or sounds bi from the beginning. He sounds clearly straight. And that's also why Bioware say that they need to ADAPT him and rewrite some things because as he is now, he clearly doesn't sound bi at all. Whereas Zevran Leliana, Josephine, etc sounded really bi in their dialogues, talks, everything. That's why what would be the best I think would be that Scott would be his first man crush, Jaal could be discovering for the first time that he can be attracted by men (or at least by Scott). That would be what works the best story-wise.
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Post by Aurora on Jun 7, 2017 2:00:10 GMT
Alright, I'm really looking forward to the star projection scene. It was a really cute and romantic scene already, adding the holding hands part will just make it even gr8er me too, and that scene with Scott always seemed a little gay to me, lol, so I am glad it will actually have some gay in it now. I hope they keep that scene, but change up some of the dialogue to keep it fresh for Scott and Jaal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:00:27 GMT
So, I'm planning another playthrough to romance Jaal with Scott. Problem is, I was planning on making him a bit more pragmatic/renegade-ish. So... Will destroying the exaltation facility and shooting akksul cut off or negatively impact the romance? You can destroy it and still romance Jaal, but don't shoot Akksul too. Same with if you save the Angara and shoot Akksul. You can still have Jaal. You can't do both bad things though. He will force the friend route in his home. Thanks for the info, everyone! I guess Akksul owes his life to me wanting to bang Jaal. If he only knew...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 2:00:48 GMT
Yeah I can see that, but for me it's like an AU. Sara's story is AU and so is Scott's, and if the romanced sibling and the non-romanced one are both with Jaal (not both romantically like a threesome ) in a future game, he won't suddenly start looking at the twin differently. He's yours and that's that. Im not sure I understand the thing about your Scott brother ... (bolded part) Is it like if I had a female twin, my husband would fall in love with her instead of me? Like we would be the same person in character and interests ? Or is it my english lacking (that wouldnt surprise me) Oh I mean if you romance Jaal as Sara, just because Scott can romance him too doesn't mean he's going to fall for Scott when he's with Sara. Same if you romance him as Scott. That romance is canon to that story you create, so though the twins are both in the game, they won't steal him away. After Allia he'd be a bloody hypocrite if that happened.
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Post by chococri on Jun 7, 2017 2:02:16 GMT
1993, the aussom year I was born! *Dabs*
Also, Jaal is bi and its canon!! *Dabs harder*
Told ya guys... Jaal is bi... You only had to play the game, get disappointed, give your feedback to Bioware and wait until patch 1.08... Jeez! Simple...
No but srsly, remember when I was like the leader of Bi Jaal? I was so sure he was going to be bi lmao Still enjoyed his friendship as Scott. Started a 2nd pt as Sara so I could romance him but I never finished it, maybe bc I spent 100h in my 1st one, maybe bc I saw so many times his romance in youtube, or both. But now, after months, I cant wait to play again and romancing him... As Scott!!
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