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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:35:50 GMT
I really wonder what will be the new changed content, but that makes sense to have something different, I don't really imagine him saying exactly the same things to Scott and to Sara (especially if Scott is his first man). A simple copy/paste would have been strange. And for Jaal having a preference for women, that makes even more sense with him because, well, unlike the others who were made bi from the start, Jaal was not, so let's say he has a better excuse than the others To be fair, none of the bisexual character in Bioware ever has a preference for male. Options like Reyes and Kaidan were made for females before modified for males, the animations were very awkward or shorter for male compared to female. Kaidan specifically only shows attraction to females talking about how hot EDI is or the girl he dated. Zevran shows a strong preference for female, Ander was a womanizer in Awakening, only mention his relationship to male Hawke but talked about his hookup with Isabella regardless, the same with Fenris who has a FWB situation going on with Isabella. Iron Bull while can enter into a relationship with Dorian often only talked about attraction and hookups with females. Let's not even talking about Sky. I don't think they ever made a bisexual male specifically, but often straight males but modified for male players. Still, I'm curious how Jaal will go for male. I may restart the entire game just to see how a Jaal romance with Scott would go. I always shipped Anders with Nate. He seemed to flirt with him.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 7, 2017 4:39:29 GMT
What I meant to type was she was the best ME writer for Evfra and Akksul. You are the best for Kandros. Monkey and I have this little thing where she knows what I meant because of the in-joke regarding how we both thought we could flirt with Evfra in-game because of her story, and when we'd praise her, she'd write another chapter (which she can't right now). It was not a jab at you. I read your fics on A03 nightly along with others. I want to read more. I am truly sorry you took that wrong because I typed it wrong. Too much hype tonight. You are a great writer. Sincerely. I can back this up, every time gwyvian was praised in this thread another chapter would pop up and it did start to be a running joke with the timing after a while. If I also made you feel bad, I am really sorry, as I do love your work Kestrel. Uhhh also can anyone help me out with A03. I signed up twice to keep track of all the writers I like but I never received any emails on the dates they gave me. I even did what the site said and put it in my address book so they wouldn't be marked as spam, but I still haven't got any.... Is this a google thing, should I use roadrunner or something? I'm starting to think the site doesn't like me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:41:58 GMT
What I meant to type was she was the best ME writer for Evfra and Akksul. You are the best for Kandros. Monkey and I have this little thing where she knows what I meant because of the in-joke regarding how we both thought we could flirt with Evfra in-game because of her story, and when we'd praise her, she'd write another chapter (which she can't right now). It was not a jab at you. I read your fics on A03 nightly along with others. I want to read more. I am truly sorry you took that wrong because I typed it wrong. Too much hype tonight. You are a great writer. Sincerely. I can back this up, every time gwyvian was praised in this thread another chapter would pop up and it did start to be a running joke with the timing after a while. If I also made you feel bad, I am really sorry, as I do love your work Kestrel. Uhhh also can anyone help me out with A03. I signed up twice to keep track of all the writers I like but I never received any emails on the dates they gave me. I even did what the site said and put it in my address book so they wouldn't be marked as spam, but I still haven't got any.... Is this a google thing, should I use roadrunner or something? I'm starting to think the site doesn't like me. I haven't joined yet, but I'd like to know too if this happens to me when I do sign up.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 7, 2017 4:45:44 GMT
I can back this up, every time gwyvian was praised in this thread another chapter would pop up and it did start to be a running joke with the timing after a while. If I also made you feel bad, I am really sorry, as I do love your work Kestrel. Uhhh also can anyone help me out with A03. I signed up twice to keep track of all the writers I like but I never received any emails on the dates they gave me. I even did what the site said and put it in my address book so they wouldn't be marked as spam, but I still haven't got any.... Is this a google thing, should I use roadrunner or something? I'm starting to think the site doesn't like me. I haven't joined yet, but I'd like to know too if this happens to me when I do sign up. lol I was hoping you could help me, damn. yeah I feel like I'm using the writer's and not appreciating them properly not being signed up but I don't know what else to do. I signed up twice, waited for the proper date twice etc. and didn't receive anything. I could try with roadrunner but I hate that email account as it's so slow. >.<
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:47:14 GMT
I haven't joined yet, but I'd like to know too if this happens to me when I do sign up. lol I was hoping you could help me, damn. yeah I feel like I'm using the writer's and not appreciating them properly not being signed up but I don't know what else to do. I signed up twice, waited for the proper date twice etc. and didn't receive anything. I could try with roadrunner but I hate that email account as it's so slow. >.< You could try mail.com maybe? Did you check your spam folder too?
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 7, 2017 4:49:42 GMT
lol I was hoping you could help me, damn. yeah I feel like I'm using the writer's and not appreciating them properly not being signed up but I don't know what else to do. I signed up twice, waited for the proper date twice etc. and didn't receive anything. I could try with roadrunner but I hate that email account as it's so slow. >.< You could try mail.com maybe? Did you check your spam folder too? Yup, I checked my spam folder and I deleted nothing. My google email is also relatively new and I only have about one page of emails and very little spam, so I know I didn't miss it. I guess I'll check out the mail.com thing if roadrunner doesn't work, thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 4:58:27 GMT
You could try mail.com maybe? Did you check your spam folder too? Yup, I checked my spam folder and I deleted nothing. My google email is also relatively new and I only have about one page of emails and very little spam, so I know I didn't miss it. I guess I'll check out the mail.com thing if roadrunner doesn't work, thanks for the suggestion. No problem! I think I'm heading off now. My connection is acting up and things are running slowly suddenly. See you all tomorrow!
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 7, 2017 5:02:19 GMT
Yeah, I'm logging off as well, it's getting late and I'm tired. Good night lovely peeps, dream of Jaal.
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Post by antmarch456 on Jun 7, 2017 5:14:03 GMT
Well Jaaly thread, looks like you're gonna become more popular now that Jaal is bi
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Wow I leave for a day and I miss THIS MUCH?! Dang... good too see some familiar names though!
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Post by antmarch456 on Jun 7, 2017 5:30:07 GMT
With everyone's birth year in the 90's I'm starting to feel a hell of a lot older now. I'm the opposite, since I'm pretty sure I'm one of the youngest here
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 6:16:50 GMT
Been gone a while because of a certain laptop of mine deciding that flat out nuking itself was a great idea, but I've been ghosting on mobile the whole time, not replying much because mobile replies are clunky... But hey! Woke up this morning to some good Jaal news! So happy for everyone who's been waiting for this since forever! I'm also glad about the ME equivalent to the BE! So many times a character looks juuust perfect in CC then something is wrong in game D: well no more! I'm also incredibly salty about the laptop nuking because I've lost all my Andromeda playthroughs as well as many other games. *sigh* at least it means I have more gameplay lined up in my future... XD
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 7, 2017 6:22:07 GMT
Just a few running thoughts about this whole " changed sexuality " business.
1. Jaal's sexuality is all meta. At no point does the game tell you anything about his heterosexuality outside of him liking women and him not being available for Scott. None of those are necessarily proof of his heterosexuality. Of course you can say this about male exclusive male options who don't refer to themselves as homosexual, but Dorian and Gil both tell you that they are, infact, homosexual. And even if they didn't... Well, I'll get to that later.
The reason, well one of the reasons, why we don't see a #maleLiamBi tag is because he tells you that he is not into dudes, and most of us respect that. Jaal at no point says that he isn't into dudes, only on meta level and that's not really enough. And furthermore, Jaal's writer, or the devs, haven't come forth and confirmed that Jaal is indeed heterosexual and it is an integral part of his character.
2. Datamines. Yes, while you cannot trust code, Jaal still has code for both Scott and Sara. I recall the code being structured similarly to Vetra's, who is defo bi. Why would it be there if not because he was bi at some point?
2.1 Voicelines. There are recordings for " I love you Jaal ", some romance voiceline during Jaal's quest, and the sex discussion with Lexi post-sexing is fully voiced by Scott. Yes, Cora and iirc, Suvi have voicelines for the sex they aren't interested in, but at no point did the datamine give any hope of anything else than what we got in the final game.
2.2 Jaal has no flirt, or for that matter rejection option for Scott. For a game that let's you flirt and be rejected by all the romance options, it suuuure sounds fishy that Scott can't flirt and be rejected by Jaal. Sounds awfully fishy, doesn't it, hmmmh. Oh, and nobody ever found any rejection voicelines either.
3. Inequality in romance distribution. Gay men have two non-squad romances, both hardly plot relevant, both human, both CC faced, both romances extremely average and Gil's is borderline insulting with the baby drama.
You might say that " they should just fix the existing romances " and maybe I'm biased, but a few emails by Reyes and some fixes on Gil's romance won't fix the issues we are facing. Yes, it certainly fixes the game for Gilmancers and Reyesmancers, but we would still end up with no squadmates, the least amount of options, no aliens, no plot relevant romances.. Scott-accessible Jaal fixes a lot of issues.
You might also say that " it is what it is, too bad so sad, wait for the next game maybe they'll give you something good then? " to which I'd like to say, fuck off.
4. '' Well if they changed Jaal, why couldn't they change Dorian or Suvi as well?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?! ''
Let's get the representation business point out of the way. Gay characters don't exist in high numbers, and you want to take those few instances of representation (no matter how shitty) away from the LGBT community because you are annoyed that they changed an allegedly straight character (that is only confirmed heterosexual in meta level) to bi so that it would combat a lot of the injustice that the dev team has done? That's super dickish.
In DA:I, straight women had 4 options. FOUR, FUCKING, OPTIONS, and one of them is super lore and story relevant. No, you are well catered by your options already, so to even HINT that Dorian could be made bi is just extremely selfish. You are only, PURELY, following your own selfish interests at that point. There is no injustice done to straight women in DA:I, you don't need more options, and the inequality is basically why we latched on to Jaal, who isn't fully confirmed straight, who was datamined to be bi, who was teased to be bi, who is the best bet for fixing a lot of the issues we faced. If straight women had only like, one option in DA:I, I could've understood the want for more options when others had two or whatever. But, never, at any point, EVER, EEEEEEEEEEEVER, will gay men have more options than any other group. Never ever. Never.
#MakeJaalBi wasn't started because Jaal is hot, Jaal is cute, Jaal is the best romance. Okay, part of it is I'm sure that. But it was also because gay men had the least amount of options, no squadmate romances, no plot relevant romances, no alien romances, no explicit sex scene (we don't know if Jaal will have one with Scott but... you know) and Jaal was the easiest bet to fix so many of these issues.
If straight women, or straight men, ever will wind up with the least amount of options, with no plot relevant romances, no squadmate romances, no romances of a race that they never got to experience before, no romances who have unique face and hair textures, no explicit sex scenes, and gay men, or lesbian women, had all of that, more options than straights, more than one same sex exclusive option, and ONE OF THEM being datamined to be bi at one point, who has no reference to their sexuality (only at meta level, and a preference to one gender), THEN WE CAN TALK. But that will never, EVER, happen.
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Post by Solas on Jun 7, 2017 7:26:31 GMT
catchin up on this thread since yesterday and browsing around tumblr and its hilarious how the change to jaal brings all the biphobes out the closest l m a o
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jun 7, 2017 7:34:54 GMT
What I meant to type was she was the best ME writer for Evfra and Akksul. You are the best for Kandros. Monkey and I have this little thing where she knows what I meant because of the in-joke regarding how we both thought we could flirt with Evfra in-game because of her story, and when we'd praise her, she'd write another chapter (which she can't right now). It was not a jab at you. I read your fics on A03 nightly along with others. I want to read more. I am truly sorry you took that wrong because I typed it wrong. Too much hype tonight. You are a great writer. Sincerely. I can back this up, every time gwyvian was praised in this thread another chapter would pop up and it did start to be a running joke with the timing after a while. If I also made you feel bad, I am really sorry, as I do love your work Kestrel. Uhhh also can anyone help me out with A03. I signed up twice to keep track of all the writers I like but I never received any emails on the dates they gave me. I even did what the site said and put it in my address book so they wouldn't be marked as spam, but I still haven't got any.... Is this a google thing, should I use roadrunner or something? I'm starting to think the site doesn't like me. I've used Google Chrome forever and have had an account with A03 for years and I haven't had any problem getting notifications. What is roadrunner?
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Post by Trynstark on Jun 7, 2017 7:35:49 GMT
You've done this before, so your apology rings hollow. Please think before you post next time. Yeah, because when you post, you can't take it back... For the goddess
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 7, 2017 7:52:07 GMT
Planning anything interesting for 2,000 pages?
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Post by Solas on Jun 7, 2017 7:53:20 GMT
Planning anything interesting for 2,000 pages? bisexual dick explosion
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 7:54:17 GMT
Planning anything interesting for 2,000 pages? Representation and the end of homophobia in the thread.
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Post by riou on Jun 7, 2017 7:54:37 GMT
catchin up on this thread since yesterday and browsing around tumblr and its hilarious how the change to jaal brings all the biphobes out the closest l m a o It was funny, back when #MakeJaalBi was a trending thing, there were people in this thread who were basically "Be happy with what you got, but Jaal belongs to us, sorry!" This happened AFTER the game was an hour out of release, when this thread was full of "We're hoping Jaal's bi along with you!" It's amazing how quickly people turned 180s.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 7, 2017 7:55:49 GMT
Planning anything interesting for 2,000 pages? bisexual dick explosion (gulp) well, if that could be done non-graphically, that might be ok....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 7:57:21 GMT
catchin up on this thread since yesterday and browsing around tumblr and its hilarious how the change to jaal brings all the biphobes out the closest l m a o i miss u, u damn egg... why did u break my heart?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 8:02:26 GMT
Planning anything interesting for 2,000 pages? yeah i am dragon age 4 ...oh wait, no i dont where is my da4? :sob:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 8:03:02 GMT
Planning anything interesting for 2,000 pages? Well, I would like to educate people that, in terms of representation that is both equitable and respectful, rewriting a straight character as bisexual doesn't have the same unfortunate implications as retconning a canonically homosexual character as bisexual would, and further more-(yadda yadda yadda...)Actually, this settles it. I'll purchase a copy of the game to show my support.
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