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Post by Catilina on Jun 7, 2017 9:07:38 GMT
Just a few running thoughts about this whole " changed sexuality " business.
1. Jaal's sexuality is all meta. At no point does the game tell you anything about his heterosexuality outside of him liking women and him not being available for Scott. None of those are necessarily proof of his heterosexuality. Of course you can say this about male exclusive male options who don't refer to themselves as homosexual, but Dorian and Gil both tell you that they are, infact, homosexual. And even if they didn't... Well, I'll get to that later.
The reason, well one of the reasons, why we don't see a #maleLiamBi tag is because he tells you that he is not into dudes, and most of us respect that. Jaal at no point says that he isn't into dudes, only on meta level and that's not really enough. And furthermore, Jaal's writer, or the devs, haven't come forth and confirmed that Jaal is indeed heterosexual and it is an integral part of his character.
2. Datamines. Yes, while you cannot trust code, Jaal still has code for both Scott and Sara. I recall the code being structured similarly to Vetra's, who is defo bi. Why would it be there if not because he was bi at some point?
2.1 Voicelines. There are recordings for " I love you Jaal ", some romance voiceline during Jaal's quest, and the sex discussion with Lexi post-sexing is fully voiced by Scott. Yes, Cora and iirc, Suvi have voicelines for the sex they aren't interested in, but at no point did the datamine give any hope of anything else than what we got in the final game.
2.2 Jaal has no flirt, or for that matter rejection option for Scott. For a game that let's you flirt and be rejected by all the romance options, it suuuure sounds fishy that Scott can't flirt and be rejected by Jaal. Sounds awfully fishy, doesn't it, hmmmh. Oh, and nobody ever found any rejection voicelines either.
3. Inequality in romance distribution. Gay men have two non-squad romances, both hardly plot relevant, both human, both CC faced, both romances extremely average and Gil's is borderline insulting with the baby drama.
You might say that " they should just fix the existing romances " and maybe I'm biased, but a few emails by Reyes and some fixes on Gil's romance won't fix the issues we are facing. Yes, it certainly fixes the game for Gilmancers and Reyesmancers, but we would still end up with no squadmates, the least amount of options, no aliens, no plot relevant romances.. Scott-accessible Jaal fixes a lot of issues.
You might also say that " it is what it is, too bad so sad, wait for the next game maybe they'll give you something good then? " to which I'd like to say, fuck off.
4. '' Well if they changed Jaal, why couldn't they change Dorian or Suvi as well?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?! ''
Let's get the representation business point out of the way. Gay characters don't exist in high numbers, and you want to take those few instances of representation (no matter how shitty) away from the LGBT community because you are annoyed that they changed an allegedly straight character (that is only confirmed heterosexual in meta level) to bi so that it would combat a lot of the injustice that the dev team has done? That's super dickish.
In DA:I, straight women had 4 options. FOUR, FUCKING, OPTIONS, and one of them is super lore and story relevant. No, you are well catered by your options already, so to even HINT that Dorian could be made bi is just extremely selfish. You are only, PURELY, following your own selfish interests at that point. There is no injustice done to straight women in DA:I, you don't need more options, and the inequality is basically why we latched on to Jaal, who isn't fully confirmed straight, who was datamined to be bi, who was teased to be bi, who is the best bet for fixing a lot of the issues we faced. If straight women had only like, one option in DA:I, I could've understood the want for more options when others had two or whatever. But, never, at any point, EVER, EEEEEEEEEEEVER, will gay men have more options than any other group. Never ever. Never.
#MakeJaalBi wasn't started because Jaal is hot, Jaal is cute, Jaal is the best romance. Okay, part of it is I'm sure that. But it was also because gay men had the least amount of options, no squadmate romances, no plot relevant romances, no alien romances, no explicit sex scene (we don't know if Jaal will have one with Scott but... you know) and Jaal was the easiest bet to fix so many of these issues.
If straight women, or straight men, ever will wind up with the least amount of options, with no plot relevant romances, no squadmate romances, no romances of a race that they never got to experience before, no romances who have unique face and hair textures, no explicit sex scenes, and gay men, or lesbian women, had all of that, more options than straights, more than one same sex exclusive option, and ONE OF THEM being datamined to be bi at one point, who has no reference to their sexuality (only at meta level, and a preference to one gender), THEN WE CAN TALK. But that will never, EVER, happen.
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If you can't wrap your head around all this, then you are just plain ignorant. YES! Thank you.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 9:22:02 GMT
Planning anything interesting for 2,000 pages? A super log post where I start fights with biphobic people till you ban me. JK let's be real, I'm pretty late to page parties so I'll probably awkwardly post happy 2000 page on 2001 and cri
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 9:35:56 GMT
Unless some drama hits, I will hopefully be around for page 2000. If not, you'll find me celebrating some other page.
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Post by Solas on Jun 7, 2017 9:39:47 GMT
(gulp) well, if that could be done non-graphically, that might be ok.... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 9:52:30 GMT
Feel free to PM me tho. Would love to see more eps of your ff, or if you want to talk about Garrus, your love for turians or whatever dude, just do it! Can we, like, have a little Garrus and Kandros thirst PM please??? ME TOO!
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 9:59:53 GMT
The thing is that: - Yes, m/m gay romances had less content than the ones for females players - BUT we should not forget that the female gamers (especially the straight ones) also had way less content than straight male gamers (remember ME3, straight female gamers could end up with NO romance just like me, who romanced Thane before, was locked with him/Kaidan could die in ME1 so yes, we could end up with absolutly NOTHING) so both gay AND straight females always had less options than straight males, so instead of fighting each other, let's fight together for more options for both straight women AND gay/bi people. - I'm glad that gay/bi gamers can enjoy Jaal now, you'll see, he's fantastic! - I can also understand some straight females who see the magic broken somewhere because, in opposition to Shepard who was either female or male, Scott Ryder AND Sara Ryder both exist in this story, at the same time. It means that the fairytale of the alien who says that Sara is his soulmate, came from another galaxy and luck and fate made them meet and fall in love, sounded romantic and like "it's you and only you, no one could have taken your place" (Jaal seems to have resisted the seduction attempts of all the other Angaras, and doesn't even end up with Peebee) but NOW in fact, they rewrite that in a way meaning "hey in fact, Sara would be the one in the coma, Jaal would have fallen in love with her brother instead". Story-wise is breaks the magic of the "unique soulmate".And I would have reacted the same way if Jaal was only m/m gay for example and said that Scott was his soulmate, and suddenly he's available for Sara and you realize that if Scott had stayed in the Hyperion, Jaal would have gone for Sara instead. It would break the magic of the "unique soulmate". I would feel the same if an unromanced Jaal would have ended up with Peebee or another person, it would be less romantic than the soulmate story. This is roleplay/story-wise. It has nothing to do with being bi or not (to bi or not to bi ) For gaming experience I totally understand that he is proposed for a new and cool experience for players who want m/m romance, and I'm happy for the people who will do that, especially if there is new content, that's cool. See? This point is very interesting because I experienced something like this with MY FREAKING LOVE VETRA YOU ARE THE LOVE OF MY ANDROMEDA MARRY ME YOU BEAUTIFUL AND FUNNY AND SEXY HANNAH SOLO TURIAN GIRL (sorry, sometimes I get excited). However, the solution was so easy as not playing Vetra romance with Scott. I simply couldn't. Vetra will be always for Sara. Period. So if you are a SaraXJaal, you don't need to pursue Jaal as Scott if you feel that is not right. But the fact it does exist it's not taking anything from you because in the end you are the one who is choosing how the story plays. The fact you as straight girl can pursue Liam doesn't mean Liam is into you. Only if you pursue him. The same way with Jaal. The only exception is Peebee who can flirt with you regardless, but that is her charm and you can politely turn her down.
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Post by Solas on Jun 7, 2017 10:21:47 GMT
I agree straight female players in the OT got the short end of the stick relative to straight male players in the OT, when it comes to LI options and how the arcs played out numerically and in terms of quality. think Thane could have been handled better and who the fuck knows what they were thinking with what they did to Jacob.. but I dont understand this 'Jaal was the first and only perfect for straight female players romance he doesnt die or dump or cheat' stuff. eeeuhh garrus? bt garrus tho???????? he doesn't dump or cheat and he doesnt autodie. hes straight (which for some reason is part of the criteria) and hes super cute and lovely, supportive, always 105% has Shepard's back no matter what, funny, loyal.. the shakarian relationship is pretty sweet. this is what steers it into "options I personally like and dislike" "muh preferences" territory from "concerns about LI options as a straight female player".
I mean I also don't understand why a character being bi/not being straight-exclusive makes them unworthy or not count as an option too, but plenty on that been said already.
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Post by Tiana F on Jun 7, 2017 10:23:27 GMT
No offence, anyone, but in this situation I mostly disappointed with the fact that I might don't know Jaal's character anymore. If any long time known character (which was the most strong side in Bioware games - i.e. characters) could be changed on a whimp and need to get an achivement... well, this isn't Bioware I knew as well.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 10:37:05 GMT
No offence, anyone, but in this situation I mostly disappointed with the fact that I might don't know Jaal's character anymore. If any long time known character (which was the most strong side in Bioware games - i.e. characters) could be changed on a whimp and need to get an achivement... well, this isn't Bioware I knew as well. Your precious romance with Jaal will not be touched. Scott gets his own lines, new animations, etc. You're fine. Don't be so dramatic.
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Post by Tiana F on Jun 7, 2017 10:40:56 GMT
No offence, anyone, but in this situation I mostly disappointed with the fact that I might don't know Jaal's character anymore. If any long time known character (which was the most strong side in Bioware games - i.e. characters) could be changed on a whimp and need to get an achivement... well, this isn't Bioware I knew as well. Your precious romance with Jaal will not be touched. Scott gets his own lines, new animations, etc. You're fine. Don't be so dramatic. I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 10:43:44 GMT
Your precious romance with Jaal will not be touched. Scott gets his own lines, new animations, etc. You're fine. Don't be so dramatic. I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. Jaal already had bisexual content. They wouldn't have voiced lines where Scott said "I love you too, Jaal" if it wasn't planned at some point. Don't be delusional please. This didn't change a writer's vision. Your whole argument is thinly veiled, and the majority of people are more than okay with this addition. Giving m/m players content that should have been given to them at launch doesn't hurt you at all. Respect that.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 10:49:33 GMT
I'm not (and never was) that fussed with the whole Jaal orientation dilemma, and honestly I'm a little confused on how people can get butthurt over him changing from straight to bi... it's not like they removed content :/ besides, just because hes available to both Ryders doesn't make you obligated to romance him as MaleRyder. Me personally, I can't picture him with Scott, so, I'm just not going to see the bi change anyways! Why people would bash those who would, is beyond me It flows the same way with DONT LIKE DONT READ warnings I see every now and again on fanfic tags... don't like the m/m Jaalmance? DONT PLAY DUH! I am happy that those that were waiting for so long have got what they've wanted! NOW WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD ME:A has finally finished re-installing and updating and I'm just crying over the hours I have to get back... my newgame+++ with fully upgraded and modded weapons... ILU :sob: ...also kinda shows where my priorities are... I need to reinstall office/skype/reconfig outlook/all other kinds of bs... but nah! ORIGIN FIRST BBY!!!
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Post by Tiana F on Jun 7, 2017 10:51:32 GMT
I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. Jaal already had bisexual content. They wouldn't have voiced lines where Scott said "I love you too, Jaal" if it wasn't planned at some point. Don't be delusional please. This didn't change a writer's vision. Your whole argument is thinly veiled, and the majority of people are more than okay with this addition. Giving m/m players content that should have been given to them at launch doesn't hurt you at all. Respect that. Cora, for example, has more recorded lines, not just one line. As modding community discovered, there is pretty solid voiceover for Cora/Sara romance. Then what? Change Cora too? It would be more approplriate for developers to make new options for mlm players as an appology, not playing on poppular demand as their last line of deffence over criticism that community have about Andromeda. Especially after the fact that they have to record new lines and made new animations.
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Post by Solas on Jun 7, 2017 10:52:19 GMT
I'm not (and never was) that fussed with the whole Jaal orientation dilemma, and honestly I'm a little confused on how people can get butthurt over him changing from straight to bi... it's not like they removed content :/ besides, just because hes available to both Ryders doesn't make you obligated to romance him as MaleRyder. Me personally, I can't picture him with Scott, so, I'm just not going to see the bi change anyways! Why people would bash those who would, is beyond me It flows the same way with DONT LIKE DONT READ warnings I see every now and again on fanfic tags... don't like the m/m Jaalmance? DONT PLAY DUH! I am happy that those that were waiting for so long have got what they've wanted! NOW WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD ME:A has finally finished re-installing and updating and I'm just crying over the hours I have to get back... my newgame+++ with fully upgraded and modded weapons... ILU :sob: ...also kinda shows where my priorities are... I need to reinstall office/skype/reconfig outlook/all other kinds of bs... but nah! ORIGIN FIRST BBY!!! ^ but jaal put his queer purple ovenmitts all over my poor sweet innocent sara
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Post by caladrius on Jun 7, 2017 10:54:08 GMT
Your precious romance with Jaal will not be touched. Scott gets his own lines, new animations, etc. You're fine. Don't be so dramatic. I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. His writer also wrote Kaidan and didn't die of a broken heart over it. I'm sure they're not that broken up. We don't even know that it was "their vision" for him to be straight. The code suggests some back and forth about that. It's just as likely time constraints on animation lead to Jaal being hetero on release as that his writer specifically wanted him to be.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 10:56:12 GMT
^ but jaal put his purple bi ovenmitts all over my poor sweet innocent sara :gasp: HOW DARE (sarcasm)
On an unrelated note: The heck does "prime posts/likes" mean under your name? Sounds fancy~
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Post by lightdrago3 on Jun 7, 2017 10:58:18 GMT
Jaal already had bisexual content. They wouldn't have voiced lines where Scott said "I love you too, Jaal" if it wasn't planned at some point. Don't be delusional please. This didn't change a writer's vision. Your whole argument is thinly veiled, and the majority of people are more than okay with this addition. Giving m/m players content that should have been given to them at launch doesn't hurt you at all. Respect that. Cora, for example, has more recorded lines, not just one line. As modding community discovered, there is pretty solid voiceover for Cora/Sara romance. Then what? Change Cora too? It would be more approplriate for developers to make new options for mlm players as an appology, not playing on poppular demand as their last line of deffence over criticism that community have about Andromeda. Especially after the fact that they have to record new lines and made new animations. Cora rejects Sara, thus showing she has no interest in women (sorry ladies). Jaal does no such thing with Scott, so he could have an interest in men. Of course you can argue he only flirts with females, but so does every other male bisexual Bioware character, so that point is moot. I would agree with you about the "changing character" if this patch all of a sudden made Jaal a promiscuous, loudmouth, petulant person instead of the soft spoken and chivalrous Angara we already know, but nope, he's still a soft spoken chivalrous Angara. All it does is make him available to men too.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Jun 7, 2017 10:59:44 GMT
I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. His writer also wrote Kaidan and didn't die of a broken heart over it. I'm sure they're not that broken up. We don't even know that it was "their vision" for him to be straight. The code suggests some back and forth about that. It's just as likely time constraints on animation lead to Jaal being hetero on release as that his writer specifically wanted him to be. If I recall correctly, the writer of Kaidan was happy with the change. I don't remember the quote, but he wasn't upset and liked that Kaidan was made available to men.
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Post by Tiana F on Jun 7, 2017 11:00:50 GMT
I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. His writer also wrote Kaidan and didn't die of a broken heart over it. I'm sure they're not that broken up. We don't even know that it was "their vision" for him to be straight. The code suggests some back and forth about that. It's just as likely time constraints on animation lead to Jaal being hetero on release as that his writer specifically wanted him to be. As I said, I don't know how she feels. But I know writers who would've been heartbroken if something like that happend with them. I am a writer myself. Jaal's writer was the second writer for Kaidan. His original writer, who wrote Kaidan for ME1 had full mlm romance for Kaidan. And it was cut. When fully voiced, derected, written and animated romance is cut - it's called cut. When there is one line and some codding - it's called development.
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Post by Solas on Jun 7, 2017 11:01:16 GMT
^ but jaal put his purple bi ovenmitts all over my poor sweet innocent sara :gasp: HOW DARE (sarcasm)
On an unrelated note: The heck does "prime posts/likes" mean under your name? Sounds fancy~ how very dare she will never b the same It's the number of posts I made and the number of likes I had collected over on "BSN Prime" before it got punted into orbit (bsn prime- colloquialism for the original BioWare-run forums that got shut down). Profile -> Edit Profile -> Personal (iirc thats the pathway anyway) and you can put it in yourself
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Post by Tiana F on Jun 7, 2017 11:02:49 GMT
Cora, for example, has more recorded lines, not just one line. As modding community discovered, there is pretty solid voiceover for Cora/Sara romance. Then what? Change Cora too? It would be more approplriate for developers to make new options for mlm players as an appology, not playing on poppular demand as their last line of deffence over criticism that community have about Andromeda. Especially after the fact that they have to record new lines and made new animations. Cora rejects Sara, thus showing she has no interest in women (sorry ladies). Jaal does no such thing with Scott, so he could have an interest in men. Of course you can argue he only flirts with females, but so does every other male bisexual Bioware character, so that point is moot. I would agree with you about the "changing character" if this patch all of a sudden made Jaal a promiscuous, loudmouth, petulant person instead of the soft spoken and chivalrous Angara we already know, but nope, he's still a soft spoken chivalrous Angara. All it does is make him available to men too. Jaal rejection for Scott was in pre-launch build and was cut after the leak from a journalist. It caused bugged first flirt for Sara.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Jun 7, 2017 11:05:54 GMT
Cora rejects Sara, thus showing she has no interest in women (sorry ladies). Jaal does no such thing with Scott, so he could have an interest in men. Of course you can argue he only flirts with females, but so does every other male bisexual Bioware character, so that point is moot. I would agree with you about the "changing character" if this patch all of a sudden made Jaal a promiscuous, loudmouth, petulant person instead of the soft spoken and chivalrous Angara we already know, but nope, he's still a soft spoken chivalrous Angara. All it does is make him available to men too. Jaal rejection for Scott was in pre-launch build and was cut after the leak from a journalist. It caused bugged first flirt for Sara. And Jaal's bisexual lines were probably in an earlier build as well, but was cut from the game as well. They chose to restore it.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 11:08:10 GMT
:gasp: HOW DARE (sarcasm)
On an unrelated note: The heck does "prime posts/likes" mean under your name? Sounds fancy~ how very dare she will never b the same It's the number of posts I made and the number of likes I had collected over on "BSN Prime" before it got punted into orbit (bsn prime- colloquialism for the original BioWare-run forums that got shut down). Profile -> Edit Profile -> Personal (iirc thats the pathway anyway) and you can put it in yourself Ahhh I missed the boat on BSN Prime, but dayum now I see you as some kinda "sage from ye olde forums"
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Post by Salty Drell on Jun 7, 2017 11:08:33 GMT
Cora rejects Sara, thus showing she has no interest in women (sorry ladies). Jaal does no such thing with Scott, so he could have an interest in men. Of course you can argue he only flirts with females, but so does every other male bisexual Bioware character, so that point is moot. I would agree with you about the "changing character" if this patch all of a sudden made Jaal a promiscuous, loudmouth, petulant person instead of the soft spoken and chivalrous Angara we already know, but nope, he's still a soft spoken chivalrous Angara. All it does is make him available to men too. Jaal rejection for Scott was in pre-launch build and was cut after the leak from a journalist. It caused bugged first flirt for Sara. Source? Proof?
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Post by Tiana F on Jun 7, 2017 11:08:36 GMT
Jaal rejection for Scott was in pre-launch build and was cut after the leak from a journalist. It caused bugged first flirt for Sara. And Jaal's bisexual lines were probably in an earlier build as well, but was cut from the game as well. They chose to restore it. Michael Gamble said that they had to record new lines for this patch. So it's not restoration. It's an addon.
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