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Post by J'all need Jaal on Jun 7, 2017 14:09:41 GMT
Found this on twitter and can't agree more: All in all congrats to everyone who desired to romance Jaal with Scott but sadly I can't share the hype. And no, I'm not homo/biphobic, I'm actually bi myself and eager to see properly represented gay/bi characters in games. Therefore I feel kinda offended that bio treats sexuality as something that can be 'patched'. For me representation of the character means something more than minor changes in dialogues added after game release with the same background. It's just really painful to see how eagerly fandom approves this, indulging devs to keep substituting properly represented bi/gay characters for patched straight characters in the future.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 14:09:49 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. Oh man that's a blast from the past!
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 14:10:04 GMT
So did Bi Kaidan make his romance any less special for women btw? Or Anders, Fenris, Zevran, IB? Did any of them say"I love you but you know... gotta blast to find some sweet D"? No???? That's how some people acted yesterday lul
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Post by Suaimhneas on Jun 7, 2017 14:12:36 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. I'm bringing back Valentina for this one. It's been a great week so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:12:38 GMT
So did Bi Kaidan make his romance any less special for women btw? Or Anders, Fenris, Zevran, IB? Did any of them say"I love you but you know... gotta blast to find some sweet D"? No???? That's how some people acted yesterday lul I think some don't get that Scott and Jaal won't share what Sara and Jaal have. They can't. There's too much reference to Sara's female qualities in it, so of course Jaal will get new stuff that's suited to him and Scott. It's not a copy and paste.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 14:14:36 GMT
So did Bi Kaidan make his romance any less special for women btw? Or Anders, Fenris, Zevran, IB? Did any of them say"I love you but you know... gotta blast to find some sweet D"? No???? That's how some people acted yesterday lul I think some don't get that Scott and Jaal won't share what Sara and Jaal have. They can't. There's too much reference to Sara's female qualities in it, so of course Jaal will get new stuff that's suited to him and Scott. It's not a copy and paste. That and if they did just copy-paste the romance it would NOT have gone down well, AT ALL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:15:50 GMT
I think some don't get that Scott and Jaal won't share what Sara and Jaal have. They can't. There's too much reference to Sara's female qualities in it, so of course Jaal will get new stuff that's suited to him and Scott. It's not a copy and paste. That and if they did just copy-paste the romance it would NOT have gone down well, AT ALL I would laugh too hard if they did and forgot to edit the emails lol and this is why I am so happy they made new stuff! I want future bi romances to be unique too.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 7, 2017 14:17:56 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 14:18:35 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. Well, he was barely straight for like TWO MONTHS AND A HALF... :sure:
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jun 7, 2017 14:18:49 GMT
Found this on twitter and can't agree more: All in all congrats to everyone who desired to romance Jaal with Scott but sadly I can't share the hype. And no, I'm not homo/biphobic, I'm actually bi myself and eager to see properly represented gay/bi characters in games. Therefore I feel kinda offended that bio treats sexuality as something that can be 'patched'. For me representation of the character means something more than minor changes in dialogues added after game release with the same background. It's just really painful to see how eagerly fandom approves this, indulging devs to keep substituting properly represented bi/gay characters for patched straight characters in the future. I'd have been against any character other than Jaal being changed like this, for any reason. It really isn't a good precedent. However, as far as I am concerned, this is just Bioware fixing the mistake of not having him be bi from the start, which he really should have been. For all of their teasing about romances pre-launch, they failed hard in implementation. Also, for those freaking out about him being bi - despite popular belief that being bi means you go around banging everything you can, that isn't true anymore than it is for any other sexuality. It's not going to change who Jaal is as a character at all.
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Post by CommonSpacePigeon on Jun 7, 2017 14:20:01 GMT
Same here, the first part! It was suddenly over and all that emotion and stuff had no way to go! D: I had to tell myself space magic got my Shepard to get reassembled by the geth or something to be even able to sleep without sobbing (I'm not a very emotional person normally so this was especially unusual to me x""D) on that night. And then I played through it a second time. Oh yes, Mordin. Because of a crash or something I had to replay this scene, and the second time my mom came in and just remarked on how cute he was or something, while I was already trying not to have my eyes leak. D: I'm sure my wait will be worth it in the end. Til then, lurking here sustains me on that end. Same on the whole not being very emotional! I remember finishing ME3 at about 3-4am in my dark as balls room, just silently bawling my eyes out! I was so taken aback by it all as I'd played Dragon Age waaay before ME so I was prepared to still prefer DA overall, and not be that emotionally invested... BUT FATE HAD OTHER PLANS. Then I proceeded to metaphorically kick myself in the balls and listen to "Mass Effect 3: Never ending nightmare" while trying to sleep. More tears inbound. Now the ME universe is very dear to me, and has been the longest fandom I've ever been in! I also still listen to never ending nightmare whenever I need some kinda nostalgia punch, it still makes me sad, but a good kinda sad... like memories of an old friend~ So ME also crept up on you and made itself comfortable in your heart? I mean, I'm usually... too detached from media I enjoy to even dare dip a toe in fandom (like I'm trying to do now, timidly), partly (maybe?) because I'm too much into the dev side of games (just a hobbyist with a degree and no desire for AAA dev, though, for now), but I think back at those scenes (Mordin, Rannoch to name a few) even when I'm nowhere near doing a playthrough and not in an analytical "how did they do this" way and then I knew I might possibly be able to call myself a fan. The ME3 soundtrack is part of my working-on-stuff-playlist, and I had to stop at a few tracks, because "too soon" x"D (Sry for messed-up grammar, today I even talk glrbsh in my native language x,x)
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 14:20:31 GMT
That and if they did just copy-paste the romance it would NOT have gone down well, AT ALL I would laugh too hard if they did and forgot to edit the emails lol and this is why I am so happy they made new stuff! I want future bi romances to be unique too. XD that would be hilarious! (though I wouldn't put it past the devs to screw up a gender flag) Now that the bi Jaal fans have got what they want, I wonder if its still within the realms to dream of little conversation kissies/interactions like we got with DA:I~
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:20:48 GMT
Found this on twitter and can't agree more: All in all congrats to everyone who desired to romance Jaal with Scott but sadly I can't share the hype. And no, I'm not homo/biphobic, I'm actually bi myself and eager to see properly represented gay/bi characters in games. Therefore I feel kinda offended that bio treats sexuality as something that can be 'patched'. For me representation of the character means something more than minor changes in dialogues added after game release with the same background. It's just really painful to see how eagerly fandom approves this, indulging devs to keep substituting properly represented bi/gay characters for patched straight characters in the future. I'd have been against any character other than Jaal being changed like this, for any reason. It really isn't a good precedent. However, as far as I am concerned, this is just Bioware fixing the mistake of not having him be bi from the start, which he really should have been. For all of their teasing about romances pre-launch, they failed hard in implementation. Also, for those freaking out about him being bi - despite popular belief that being bi means you go around banging everything you can, that isn't true anymore than it is for any other sexuality. It's not going to change who Jaal is as a character at all. Wait people think bi romances mean that? Leliana was not that way at all, neither was Josie! Fenris too!
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Post by Caythleen on Jun 7, 2017 14:22:21 GMT
Place hate away. I was defending Jaal being straight in the beginning before I found out how weak are the M/M romances. I am happy to share him now. There is planty of Jaal('s asses) for everyone. Right? I know, it's old But it's still good My best work ever
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:22:25 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. It must be so hard for you.
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Post by caladrius on Jun 7, 2017 14:24:42 GMT
I'd have been against any character other than Jaal being changed like this, for any reason. It really isn't a good precedent. However, as far as I am concerned, this is just Bioware fixing the mistake of not having him be bi from the start, which he really should have been. For all of their teasing about romances pre-launch, they failed hard in implementation. Also, for those freaking out about him being bi - despite popular belief that being bi means you go around banging everything you can, that isn't true anymore than it is for any other sexuality. It's not going to change who Jaal is as a character at all. Wait people think bi romances mean that? Leliana was not that way at all, neither was Josie! Fenris too! I think the only LI that canon cheats on you is hetero dude, Jacob. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:24:51 GMT
I agree Caythleen this place was always welcoming for all, and the 3 or 4 who don't like Jaal bi is outnumbered by those of us who love it, so this place should go back to friendly, and the hate ignored since it's small and really just people telling their POV, then bowing out. caladrius haha yeah that's so true! Zev was my babe from the start and he was still at my Warden's side in DAI!
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Post by pieszka89 on Jun 7, 2017 14:28:05 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. Bioware did the same with ME3 ending lol People didn't like that Shepard died so they released extended ending for the game. I really do not like when developer changes/adds something in game story wise/character wise because players demand it. It's their game. Their vision. Also everybody has a right to state their opinion. I do not see why some people are agressive towards other people simply because they state their own opinion. Even if they are in minority. We all should be tolerant towards each other's opinion and not attack anyone.
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Post by chococri on Jun 7, 2017 14:28:20 GMT
Good afternooooooooooooooooooon everyone! Isnt life beautiful? It will be better this next tuesday
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:29:04 GMT
I have to stop reading the patch thread or I might punch a brick wall.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 14:29:52 GMT
Same on the whole not being very emotional! I remember finishing ME3 at about 3-4am in my dark as balls room, just silently bawling my eyes out! I was so taken aback by it all as I'd played Dragon Age waaay before ME so I was prepared to still prefer DA overall, and not be that emotionally invested... BUT FATE HAD OTHER PLANS. Then I proceeded to metaphorically kick myself in the balls and listen to "Mass Effect 3: Never ending nightmare" while trying to sleep. More tears inbound. Now the ME universe is very dear to me, and has been the longest fandom I've ever been in! I also still listen to never ending nightmare whenever I need some kinda nostalgia punch, it still makes me sad, but a good kinda sad... like memories of an old friend~ So ME also crept up on you and made itself comfortable in your heart? I mean, I'm usually... too detached from media I enjoy to even dare dip a toe in fandom (like I'm trying to do now, timidly), partly (maybe?) because I'm too much into the dev side of games (just a hobbyist with a degree and no desire for AAA dev, though, for now), but I think back at those scenes (Mordin, Rannoch to name a few) even when I'm nowhere near doing a playthrough and not in an analytical "how did they do this" way and then I knew I might possibly be able to call myself a fan. The ME3 soundtrack is part of my working-on-stuff-playlist, and I had to stop at a few tracks, because "too soon" x"D (Sry for messed-up grammar, today I even talk glrbsh in my native language x,x) *sniff* *sniff* DO I SMELL A POTENTIAL SOFTWARE DEV?! I was in my final year of Software Development at uni before leaving due to life+"sods law" happening, so I know the feel when playing a game and just suddenly slipping into thinking on the "how", rather than "wow"... and I gotta admit, I too usually stay on the sidelines of any fandom (usually for reasons of salt/toxicity avoidance hell you can even see it on this thread when salt is happening and I'm just tiptoeing round it all) but yeah... Mass Effect is a black hole that just sucked me in! Also the fanfics. Those glorious gifts from above that keep me wanting more~
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 14:30:07 GMT
I've lost my respect for Bioware. If they care so little about their own writing that they would change a character just because some fans weren't happy with him, then I can't take them seriously. I would have 0 problem with Jaal being bi if he was written like that from the start, but he's been straight for years and now they decided to change him just to throw a bone the fans and shut them up. If those who wanted to romance him as Scott are happy with that then fine, I guess, but I know I wouldn't be happy with an afterthought. Well, Jaal will always be straight for me because that's how he was written from the start. If Bioware doesn't care about their original intent, then at least someone should. Hate away, I don't care. When the post is so woefully dumb and homophobic that all you can do is respond with a Beyonce gif...
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Post by Salty Drell on Jun 7, 2017 14:30:19 GMT
I have to stop reading the patch thread or I might punch a brick wall. Is it dudebros saying they're oppressed? :srs:
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 14:31:03 GMT
Place hate away. I was defending Jaal being straight in the beginning before I found out how weak are the M/M romances. I am happy to share him now. There is planty of Jaal('s asses) for everyone. Right? I know, it's old But it's still good My best work ever Gunna need a triple order on those asses over here!
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 14:31:23 GMT
Place hate away. I was defending Jaal being straight in the beginning before I found out how weak are the M/M romances. I am happy to share him now. There is planty of Jaal('s asses) for everyone. Right? I know, it's old But it's still good My best work ever It looks like a spinal cord tract I have to study for college. I could literally draw a diagram of the spinal cord pathway using Jaal's butt.
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