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Post by CommonSpacePigeon on Jun 7, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
Haha, nah, close-ish, in a way (we were in the same building as those guys in uni, though : D), but not quite. My degree is in game design and I'm more on the concept design/art side of things, but I do dabble in narrative design and, on occasion, systems design for personal projects as well. xD But yay for a fellow "how"-thinker! : D (not so yay for the bad-sounding things though D: ) (Oh yes, the avoidance is another reason! D: I'm ridiculously susceptible to other people's emotions if I don't detach myself quickly enough and when things get salty and heated I run away and hide). I didn't get into fanfics (yet?). Mostly because some ten years ago when I was into... Naruto was it, I think, I spent way too much of my time reading them. x"D Better not get tempted. Gotta need that spare time for other stuff. Like lurking here.Here here on the emotions thing! It's the main reason why I couldn't finish watching The Legend of Korra so much salt and hate running rampant made me up and leave... now that things have calmed down a bit I may go back and finish watching... but IDK... the experience has been soured a little. my main mistake was falling into tumblr and somehow gravitating towards the stereotypical "angry sjw" as opposed to the friendly threads like this one as for the "bad sounding things" I'm still gunna complete a degree, but it won't be the cool sounding "Comp Sci: Software Engineering", and more just plain ol' comp sci, but the open uni has me covered, so I can transfer the majority of my old module grades over! TAKE THAT LIFE! :poop: *tubthumping plays in the background* FALL INTO THE HELLSCAPE THAT IS FANFICS! JOIN US AND REVEL IN ITS GLORY! Sounds unfun, makes me glad I usually watch stuff by myself. D: Usually, my mom watches the same stuff as I do, so I have someone to rant to talk about stuff with. Sadly, she hasn't goten into games (yet -- and her eyes might have glazed over a bit when we were watching Farscape and I started to gush over how it must've been one of the inspirations for ME x""D), and most of my friends haven't played ME, so... x"D I actually avoid most places that have nothing to do with game dev, seems like I spared me some stress with it. xD Computer science is already plenty cool. Back in uni, we collaborated with some of the advanced guys on our game projects, while others did fun-sounding stuff like robotics (with cute little robots in the hallways ). Yay for throwing shit back into life's face! (Didn't see the fingers before my brain already decided that that's what those emoticons are supposed to be) Don't tempt me! xD I know there's probably some very nice ones out there that contain neither sex nor romance (two things I can't relate to ^^") but I have to finish reading the complete works of Lovecraft first, otherwise, weird things will be created in my head. D:
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on Jun 7, 2017 15:27:12 GMT
Found this on twitter and can't agree more: All in all congrats to everyone who desired to romance Jaal with Scott but sadly I can't share the hype. And no, I'm not homo/biphobic, I'm actually bi myself and eager to see properly represented gay/bi characters in games. Therefore I feel kinda offended that bio treats sexuality as something that can be 'patched'. For me representation of the character means something more than minor changes in dialogues added after game release with the same background. It's just really painful to see how eagerly fandom approves this, indulging devs to keep substituting properly represented bi/gay characters for patched straight characters in the future. I'd have been against any character other than Jaal being changed like this, for any reason. It really isn't a good precedent. However, as far as I am concerned, this is just Bioware fixing the mistake of not having him be bi from the start, which he really should have been. For all of their teasing about romances pre-launch, they failed hard in implementation. Also, for those freaking out about him being bi - despite popular belief that being bi means you go around banging everything you can, that isn't true anymore than it is for any other sexuality. It's not going to change who Jaal is as a character at all. yeah. I am bi.. You wouldn't think it because Im since 10 years in a ltr with a cisdude. but that still doesn't make me any less bi. So jaal is bi, even if he never talked about doing people-because a lesbian that never had sex with anybody is still a lesbian. Like suvi is one even if scott never tries to flirt with her because her sexuality is there whether you see it or not.. I mean people would if reading only text, be able to assume that a lot f bi charas are lesbian (usually the female ones..) or hetero (a lot of the male bisexuals- see reyes, fenris, kaidan (written as bi from the start, thats why the scenes are still on disc and will play if you change gender flags.) so... yeah, maybe jaals first love was a girl.. my first love was one too. like, 2 years after falling in love with someone I didn't had any interest in dudes. So I though, hey firmi, maybe you are only into women because idk, those guys don't do it for me.. but then I fell in love with a cis dude and, well so turns out i am bi. there is no reason the same didnt happen for jaal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:27:41 GMT
Do you want the dirty answer or the safe and funny one? I dunno, I'm pretty delicate. Might not be able to handle it. :gasp: Oh good, I can just say a name: Willam Belli... Love You Like A Love Song Parody. (NSFW)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:29:33 GMT
I'd have been against any character other than Jaal being changed like this, for any reason. It really isn't a good precedent. However, as far as I am concerned, this is just Bioware fixing the mistake of not having him be bi from the start, which he really should have been. For all of their teasing about romances pre-launch, they failed hard in implementation. Also, for those freaking out about him being bi - despite popular belief that being bi means you go around banging everything you can, that isn't true anymore than it is for any other sexuality. It's not going to change who Jaal is as a character at all. yeah. I am bi.. You wouldn't think it because Im since 10 years in a ltr with a cisdude. but that still doesn't make me any less bi. So jaal is bi, even if he never talked about doing people-because a lesbian that never had sex with anybody is still a lesbian. Like suvi is one even if scott never tries to flirt with her because her sexuality is there whether you see it or not.. I mean people would if reading only text, be able to assume that a lot f bi charas are lesbian (usually the female ones..) or hetero (a lot of the male bisexuals- see reyes, fenris, kaidan (written as bi from the start, thats why the scenes are still on disc and will play if you change gender flags.) so... yeah, maybe jaals first love was a girl.. my first love was one too. like, 2 years after falling in love with someone I didn't had any interest in dudes. So I though, hey firmi, maybe you are only into women because idk, those guys don't do it for me.. but then I fell in love with a cis dude and, well so turns out i am bi. there is no reason the same didnt happen for jaal. I am so in love with the idea that Scott is Jaal's awakening. I hope this is how they went with it. It's natural and not forced. It also adds to Jaal's character. I love him even more now!
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on Jun 7, 2017 15:30:21 GMT
What I find horribly disgusting it's being sad over a fictional character while REAL PEOPLE were fucked with this situation. ANYWAY JAAL IS OURS NOW
I have to buy the game in about one hour when Game opens their doors, full price as I promised lol lets wait till mike reminds mr "i pay 75$ every month if you make jaal bi" on twitter *lol* so.. I still want ti petition for more content for vetra, suvi and gil and maybe some reyes stuff, so that truly every romance in the game has at least a bit more equal footing.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 15:31:38 GMT
Here here on the emotions thing! It's the main reason why I couldn't finish watching The Legend of Korra so much salt and hate running rampant made me up and leave... now that things have calmed down a bit I may go back and finish watching... but IDK... the experience has been soured a little. my main mistake was falling into tumblr and somehow gravitating towards the stereotypical "angry sjw" as opposed to the friendly threads like this one as for the "bad sounding things" I'm still gunna complete a degree, but it won't be the cool sounding "Comp Sci: Software Engineering", and more just plain ol' comp sci, but the open uni has me covered, so I can transfer the majority of my old module grades over! TAKE THAT LIFE! :poop: *tubthumping plays in the background* FALL INTO THE HELLSCAPE THAT IS FANFICS! JOIN US AND REVEL IN ITS GLORY! Sounds unfun, makes me glad I usually watch stuff by myself. D: Usually, my mom watches the same stuff as I do, so I have someone to rant to talk about stuff with. Sadly, she hasn't goten into games (yet -- and her eyes might have glazed over a bit when we were watching Farscape and I started to gush over how it must've been one of the inspirations for ME x""D), and most of my friends haven't played ME, so... x"D I actually avoid most places that have nothing to do with game dev, seems like I spared me some stress with it. xD Computer science is already plenty cool. Back in uni, we collaborated with some of the advanced guys on our game projects, while others did fun-sounding stuff like robotics (with cute little robots in the hallways ). Yay for throwing shit back into life's face! (Didn't see the fingers before my brain already decided that that's what those emoticons are supposed to be) Don't tempt me! xD I know there's probably some very nice ones out there that contain neither sex nor romance (two things I can't relate to ^^") but I have to finish reading the complete works of Lovecraft first, otherwise, weird things will be created in my head. D: OMG FARSCAPE XD me and my dad are huge sci-fi junkies so Babylon 5/farscape/stargate/etc are our scene! Haven't quite got him into rpg games though, he's more rts like DUNE2000 and starcraft
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Post by beholderess on Jun 7, 2017 15:32:23 GMT
True, speaking of scars before romance, I REALLY WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE CHUNK OF JAAL THAT'S MISSING FROM HIS NECK He never says how that happened? Nope, that is never mentioned, and I really want to know. Any theories?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:32:57 GMT
He never says how that happened? Nope, that is never mentioned, and I really want to know. Any theories? I think his pet got him lol
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 15:34:24 GMT
He never says how that happened? Nope, that is never mentioned, and I really want to know. Any theories? Either cliff falling or pointing his Darav at his face while cleaning!
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Post by not so salty shark on Jun 7, 2017 15:36:21 GMT
Re: Those unhappy with the change.
I personally would've much preferred adding a new male squadmate as a gay LI option...but introducing a brand new character, or even elevating an existing character such as Avitus or Evfra to that role would've taken infinitely more time and resources than turning Jaal bi.
Folks have to remember the now-problems: M/M is the only sexuality not represented in the squad, and it is impossible for those who exclusively play gay male protagonists to attain a romantic achievement that literally everyone else can get. These are injustices that need to be addressed asap, and I'm glad that Team ME ultimately agreed.
Your own straight relationships with Jaal will remain entirely unaffected. So I would ask you to please find it in your hearts to accept this non-sacrifice for equality.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:37:51 GMT
Re: Those unhappy with the change. I personally would've much preferred adding a new male squadmate as a gay LI option...but introducing a brand new character, or even elevating an existing character such as Avitus or Evfra to that role would've taken infinitely more time and resources than turning Jaal bi. Folks have to remember the now-problems: M/M is the only sexuality not represented in the squad, and it is impossible for who exclusively play gay male protagonists to attain a romantic achievement that literally everyone else can get. These are injustices that need to be addressed asap, and I'm glad that Team ME ultimately agreed. Your own straight relationships with Jaal will remain entirely unaffected. So I would ask you to please find it in your hearts to accept this non-sacrifice for equality. I'm the weird straight female who thinks Jaal is even more awesome now and can't wait to romance him again lol
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Post by CommonSpacePigeon on Jun 7, 2017 15:38:08 GMT
Sounds unfun, makes me glad I usually watch stuff by myself. D: Usually, my mom watches the same stuff as I do, so I have someone to rant to talk about stuff with. Sadly, she hasn't goten into games (yet -- and her eyes might have glazed over a bit when we were watching Farscape and I started to gush over how it must've been one of the inspirations for ME x""D), and most of my friends haven't played ME, so... x"D I actually avoid most places that have nothing to do with game dev, seems like I spared me some stress with it. xD Computer science is already plenty cool. Back in uni, we collaborated with some of the advanced guys on our game projects, while others did fun-sounding stuff like robotics (with cute little robots in the hallways ). Yay for throwing shit back into life's face! (Didn't see the fingers before my brain already decided that that's what those emoticons are supposed to be) Don't tempt me! xD I know there's probably some very nice ones out there that contain neither sex nor romance (two things I can't relate to ^^") but I have to finish reading the complete works of Lovecraft first, otherwise, weird things will be created in my head. D: OMG FARSCAPE XD me and my dad are huge sci-fi junkies so Babylon 5/farscape/stargate/etc are our scene! Haven't quite got him into rpg games though, he's more rts like DUNE2000 and starcraft Babylon 5 is still on my "have to watch" list, but I'm always happy to see someone mention Stargate. I have to go now, though, thanks for the fun conversation. : D
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jun 7, 2017 15:40:50 GMT
Re: Those unhappy with the change. I personally would've much preferred adding a new male squadmate as a gay LI option...but introducing a brand new character, or even elevating an existing character such as Avitus or Evfra to that role would've taken infinitely more time and resources than turning Jaal bi. Folks have to remember the now-problems: M/M is the only sexuality not represented in the squad, and it is impossible for those who exclusively play gay male protagonists to attain a romantic achievement that literally everyone else can get. These are injustices that need to be addressed asap, and I'm glad that Team ME ultimately agreed. Your own straight relationships with Jaal will remain entirely unaffected. So I would ask you to please find it in your hearts to accept this non-sacrifice for equality. I still think they should add a bi-quarian male as a romance option for the DLC though. :amirite:
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 15:41:20 GMT
OMG FARSCAPE XD me and my dad are huge sci-fi junkies so Babylon 5/farscape/stargate/etc are our scene! Haven't quite got him into rpg games though, he's more rts like DUNE2000 and starcraft Babylon 5 is still on my "have to watch" list, but I'm always happy to see someone mention Stargate. I have to go now, though, thanks for the fun conversation. : D bye! Hope I persuaded you to fall into the fandom!
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 15:43:26 GMT
Re: Those unhappy with the change. I personally would've much preferred adding a new male squadmate as a gay LI option...but introducing a brand new character, or even elevating an existing character such as Avitus or Evfra to that role would've taken infinitely more time and resources than turning Jaal bi. Folks have to remember the now-problems: M/M is the only sexuality not represented in the squad, and it is impossible for those who exclusively play gay male protagonists to attain a romantic achievement that literally everyone else can get. These are injustices that need to be addressed asap, and I'm glad that Team ME ultimately agreed. Your own straight relationships with Jaal will remain entirely unaffected. So I would ask you to please find it in your hearts to accept this non-sacrifice for equality. I still think they should add a bi-quarian male as a romance option for the DLC though. :amirite: YES PLEASE I NEED A MALE QUARIAN EVER SINCE REEGER
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:46:37 GMT
Oh and just a small reality check after so much disappointment. Though the patch notes make it sound awesome, there is still a chance they simply tweaked the Scott model and still gave you the Sara romance with a few things cut. Either way, I think you will all enjoy it, but what marketing says and what we get is not always accurate. If this is Sara's romance redone, we can help you guys out! We know it well!
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 15:49:41 GMT
That would be rather awkward lol like "what the heck Jaal, I'm right here?" He did it with my Sara haha we had just completed his LM, I had his "Dearest" email and he asks if his scar will impress the ladies. Not me, but the ladies. What am I then? Jaal low key bad at flirting Sara is all miffed and leaves before Jaal can say "I mean you ;o;" This is why he is so forward at his family's house haha
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:50:40 GMT
He did it with my Sara haha we had just completed his LM, I had his "Dearest" email and he asks if his scar will impress the ladies. Not me, but the ladies. What am I then? Jaal low key bad at flirting Sara is all miffed and leaves before Jaal can say "I mean you ;o;" This is why he is so forward at his family's house haha I think my Sara ended up going out with Reyes that night and she may have kissed him...
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 15:56:18 GMT
Jaal low key bad at flirting Sara is all miffed and leaves before Jaal can say "I mean you ;o;" This is why he is so forward at his family's house haha I think my Sara ended up going out with Reyes that night and she may have kissed him... o: harlot Lol jk jk
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Post by Aurora on Jun 7, 2017 15:56:26 GMT
With everyone's birth year in the 90's I'm starting to feel a hell of a lot older now. oh honey, we passed my birth year several pages ago (also, I am not a 90s child either)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:58:32 GMT
I think my Sara ended up going out with Reyes that night and she may have kissed him... o: harlot Lol jk jk Haha well I didn't kiss him the second time, just the distraction. Jaal asked me to be with him when I returned. Couldn't say no. Planning to romance Reyes this time, then when he reveals himself, end it and accept Jaal's affections. I love romantic drama sometimes lol
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 16:00:26 GMT
Haha well I didn't kiss him the second time, just the distraction. Jaal asked me to be with him when I returned. Couldn't say no. Planning to romance Reyes this time, then when he reveals himself, end it and accept Jaal's affections. I love romantic drama sometimes lol Would that work? You know won't be locked out?
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 16:00:45 GMT
With everyone's birth year in the 90's I'm starting to feel a hell of a lot older now. oh honey, we passed my birth year several pages ago (also, I am not a 90s child either) I'm 89
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 7, 2017 16:01:04 GMT
Oh and just a small reality check after so much disappointment. Though the patch notes make it sound awesome, there is still a chance they simply tweaked the Scott model and still gave you the Sara romance with a few things cut. Either way, I think you will all enjoy it, but what marketing says and what we get is not always accurate. If this is Sara's romance redone, we can help you guys out! We know it well! Not to be a total sissy, but if it's just Sara's romance redone, that'd be a-okay with me. That means Jaal is going to twirl me around and I'm into that. My fear is that they'll rework the romance too much, and make Jaal less of a gentleman who takes care of you, and even that Scott takes the position of the gentleman who takes care of his loved one. I want just a bit of that submissive side to Scott, just a bit. And while I think it's all cute that Scott might be Jaal's '' bisexual awakening '' I hope they don't play this part TOO MUCH. I would still like Jaal to feel like he is bisexual, not straight but totally into Scott. The important thing anyway is that I get to romance Jaal as bro!ryder. They can't possibly fuck it up so bad that I'd be turned off completely. Jaal has been my number one husband since day one.
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