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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:01:49 GMT
Haha well I didn't kiss him the second time, just the distraction. Jaal asked me to be with him when I returned. Couldn't say no. Planning to romance Reyes this time, then when he reveals himself, end it and accept Jaal's affections. I love romantic drama sometimes lol Would that work? You know won't be locked out? No it works. If you end it with Reyes at the cave, you are free to pursue Jaal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:04:11 GMT
Oh and just a small reality check after so much disappointment. Though the patch notes make it sound awesome, there is still a chance they simply tweaked the Scott model and still gave you the Sara romance with a few things cut. Either way, I think you will all enjoy it, but what marketing says and what we get is not always accurate. If this is Sara's romance redone, we can help you guys out! We know it well! Not to be a total sissy, but if it's just Sara's romance redone, that'd be a-okay with me. That means Jaal is going to twirl me around and I'm into that. My fear is that they'll rework the romance too much, and make Jaal less of a gentleman who takes care of you, and even that Scott takes the position of the gentleman who takes care of his loved one. I want just a bit of that submissive side to Scott, just a bit. And while I think it's all cute that Scott might be Jaal's '' bisexual awakening '' I hope they don't play this part TOO MUCH. I would still like Jaal to feel like he is bisexual, not straight but totally into Scott. The important thing anyway is that I get to romance Jaal as bro!ryder. They can't possibly fuck it up so bad that I'd be turned off completely. Jaal has been my number one husband since day one. Yeah all they need to do is edit the emails that are gender-specific, Scott should not be shy in the lake scene because Sara only acts that way because she is exposing her breasts, and they have to change the "lovely woman" comments. Then just clean up the animations and it should be good to go! As for the awakening thing, Jaal saying something like Thane did to male Shepard would work.
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Post by Aurora on Jun 7, 2017 16:04:59 GMT
Your precious romance with Jaal will not be touched. Scott gets his own lines, new animations, etc. You're fine. Don't be so dramatic. I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. actually the writer of Jaal has never confirmed that she originally wrote Jaal to be straight. So this is a pretty weak argument in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:09:37 GMT
I just realized that for us females, Jaal made up for the sadness of Thane, and now making him bi makes up for the cut bi romance with Thane!
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 16:10:25 GMT
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jun 7, 2017 16:11:19 GMT
I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. actually the writer of Jaal has never confirmed that she originally wrote Jaal to be straight. So this is a pretty weak argument in my opinion. But it's obvious it was written for women, because everyone knows men don't like romance. :heh:
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Post by janalilith on Jun 7, 2017 16:14:09 GMT
I wonder why it's the first thing everyone thinks at the sight of any opposition? Romance for everone, good. The fact of change itself is my concern. I find it unacceptable to force an author to change his creation to please player/reader. Not saying that Jaal's writer feels bad in the end, I don't know how she feels. But the whole situation... not good. actually the writer of Jaal has never confirmed that she originally wrote Jaal to be straight. So this is a pretty weak argument in my opinion. Honestly I don't think the developers would have done this and made the investment for further dialogue and Scott centric scenes if it were out of the realm of possibility or contrived. It's clear this was something that was more than plausible in their minds. They got tons of feedback when they launched and knew big time they made errors. So you can look at it that they listened to the concerns of their fans and made the improvements so dearly needed, instead of seeing this as a rewrite of the character that is just to placate "the complainers" as someone put it. It's not a bad precedent either; evolving on a topic happens when you get to see the bigger picture. Evolving a character also happens. Evfra could turn up gay in a future MEA ( :amirite: ) - does that mean because he has not shown or said he is gay that would negate that in a future game?
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 16:20:46 GMT
This thread moved so fast while I was asleep that it's now my son's birth year lol.
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Post by Aurora on Jun 7, 2017 16:21:18 GMT
I have to stop reading the patch thread or I might punch a brick wall. omg, I rage quitted that thread yesterday. I never posted in there, but I was disgusted by some of the things that were said.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:23:07 GMT
I have to stop reading the patch thread or I might punch a brick wall. omg, I rage quitted that thread yesterday. I never posted in there, but I was disgusted by some of the things that were said. I quit earlier with trying to explain why they did it and why it should not matter to Sara players, but eh... they are so determined to say he's ruined, Suvi should be bi, etc... or the worst one is that now we females have no straight LI's. Poor Liam lol
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 16:25:00 GMT
This thread moved so fast while I was asleep that it's now my son's birth year lol. lots to catch up on!
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Post by janalilith on Jun 7, 2017 16:25:20 GMT
After meeting Dorian's dad, I'm sure Sahuna can not be the most awkward "meeting your partner's parent" moment I have had in a Bioware game! I am prepared for this! She is encouraging and sweet - though, she will be your new mother and as pushy as the real thing .
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omg, I rage quitted that thread yesterday. I never posted in there, but I was disgusted by some of the things that were said. I quit earlier with trying to explain why they did it and why it should not matter to Sara players, but eh... they are so determined to say he's ruined, Suvi should be bi, etc... or the worst one is that now we females have no straight LI's. Poor Liam lol they forgot Liam?
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I quit earlier with trying to explain why they did it and why it should not matter to Sara players, but eh... they are so determined to say he's ruined, Suvi should be bi, etc... or the worst one is that now we females have no straight LI's. Poor Liam lol they forgot Liam? Many forget that sweet guy. I only don't romance him because he's a replica of my first love who ended up a best friend when we felt we were more bros than lovers.
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Post by Ryzaki on Jun 7, 2017 16:27:14 GMT
omg, I rage quitted that thread yesterday. I never posted in there, but I was disgusted by some of the things that were said. I quit earlier with trying to explain why they did it and why it should not matter to Sara players, but eh... they are so determined to say he's ruined, Suvi should be bi, etc... or the worst one is that now we females have no straight LI's. Poor Liam lolThat is always the part that gets me. Like what is Liam a bump on the log? *huggles Liam close*
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I quit earlier with trying to explain why they did it and why it should not matter to Sara players, but eh... they are so determined to say he's ruined, Suvi should be bi, etc... or the worst one is that now we females have no straight LI's. Poor Liam lolThat is always the part that gets me. Like what is Liam a bump on the log? *huggles Liam close* He's the best! Has the best mission too, and I was just so "awww" when I chose the logical reply during the scene where I became Pathfinder and he tells me I can lean on him.
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 16:28:43 GMT
Final few thoughts on the issue: if you were really concerned about how Mass Effect deals with women/does or does not cater to them maybe you'd be a little more mad about how male Ryder is still the default trailer, merch, and cover image. *Jewlie's eye emoji here*
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Final few thoughts on the issue: if you were really concerned about how Mass Effect deals with women/does or does not cater to them maybe you'd be a little more mad about how male Ryder is still the default trailer, merch, and cover image. *Jewlie's eye emoji here* Women had to fight for that Sara trailer.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 7, 2017 16:30:47 GMT
I know here is offtopic, but I'm really pissed off about the Liam hate out of nowhere and the Jacob's comparision (are you kidding me???). Liam is not my romance cup of tea at all. But I frigging LOVE HIM as a friend. While Jacob was so self centered, Liam is selfless, very impulsive, yes, but with a great sense of humour. Liam can clash with a lot of companions at first, but he ends befriending literally ANYONE. He is like the subsitute of my brother in coma!!
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Post by janalilith on Jun 7, 2017 16:33:06 GMT
*whispers* but all scott/jaal fanart is canon now~ Well, now people will be even more motivated to draw Scott/Jaal fanart cuz it's CANON. CANON! CANON!And it's now canon in my head lol. I was thinking, la la la, of Scott singing songs to Jaal (since there was music in the car ) and I wasn't able to in the past. (He used to sing those songs to Evfra ). Ok, I need help, obviously lol.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 16:33:21 GMT
they forgot Liam? Many forget that sweet guy. I only don't romance him because he's a replica of my first love who ended up a best friend when we felt we were more bros than lovers. if I hadn't known about Jaal, Liam would have been my go-to he's has always been tied closely with Vetra in terms of bro style romance
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I know here is offtopic, but I'm really pissed off about the Liam hate out of nowhere and the Jacob's comparision (are you kidding me???). Liam is not my romance cup of tea at all. But I frigging LOVE HIM as a friend. While Jacob was so self centered, Liam is selfless, very impulsive, yes, but with a great sense of humour. Liam can clash with a lot of companions at first, but he ends befriending literally ANYONE. He is like the subsitute of my brother in coma!! We love to go OT here. This place is to talk about anything, but Jaal is never too far off, so it stays on topic! I agree! Except for skin color, they are not alike. Liam is your best friend. The guy who has your back. He opens up easily and he is even cool with casual sex. He is a bro to everyone, and especially Jaal and he even accepts he screwed up and learns from it. If you romance him, he wants to marry you. Total sweetie!!
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Post by janalilith on Jun 7, 2017 16:37:56 GMT
I know here is offtopic, but I'm really pissed off about the Liam hate out of nowhere and the Jacob's comparision (are you kidding me???). Liam is not my romance cup of tea at all. But I frigging LOVE HIM as a friend. While Jacob was so self centered, Liam is selfless, very impulsive, yes, but with a great sense of humour. Liam can clash with a lot of companions at first, but he ends befriending literally ANYONE. He is like the subsitute of my brother in coma!! Liam has your back; he's sweetness personified. I adore him and don't understand the Li Li hate.
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Post by PenDev0us on Jun 7, 2017 16:38:35 GMT
I know here is offtopic, but I'm really pissed off about the Liam hate out of nowhere and the Jacob's comparision (are you kidding me???). Liam is not my romance cup of tea at all. But I frigging LOVE HIM as a friend. While Jacob was so self centered, Liam is selfless, very impulsive, yes, but with a great sense of humour. Liam can clash with a lot of companions at first, but he ends befriending literally ANYONE. He is like the subsitute of my brother in coma!! not to mention his LM is comedy gold!
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