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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 21:11:51 GMT
You heard about Jaal right? Indeed I did, I shall be starting a new Scott PT - I don't know what look I want to go with yet, but I can't wait to try it. The patch isn't released yet though, right? It's taking so long, but now they are talking about it during a stream tomorrow, so it has to be before the weekend!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 21:16:15 GMT
This is torture. At least you know you're getting it.
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Post by Gwyvian on Jun 7, 2017 21:17:16 GMT
Indeed I did, I shall be starting a new Scott PT - I don't know what look I want to go with yet, but I can't wait to try it. The patch isn't released yet though, right? It's taking so long, but now they are talking about it during a stream tomorrow, so it has to be before the weekend! Cooooool I'll hopefully have less work then. (PLZ universe I need a break :sob: ) On a totally unrelated note: wtf is wrong with my avatar? Guess I'll change it... again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 21:17:42 GMT
This is torture. At least you know you're getting it. Haha true but even though I have romanced Jaal, it's going to be sweeter now because everyone can have him. I never enjoyed it fully because I was hurting from the others hurting.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 21:18:43 GMT
At least you know you're getting it. Haha true but even though I have romanced Jaal, it's going to be sweeter now because everyone can have him. I never enjoyed it fully because I was hurting from the others hurting. I'm just saying, at least the wait is almost over and there is a guarantee. Not everyone is that lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 21:20:06 GMT
Haha true but even though I have romanced Jaal, it's going to be sweeter now because everyone can have him. I never enjoyed it fully because I was hurting from the others hurting. I'm just saying, at least the wait is almost over and there is a guarantee. Not everyone is that lucky. I think this will also be the first time I'm not dying from a 3 month cough. I know the dev's comments upset you, but what about Suvi and Avela?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 21:37:24 GMT
I'm just saying, at least the wait is almost over and there is a guarantee. Not everyone is that lucky. I think this will also be the first time I'm not dying from a 3 month cough. I know the dev's comments upset you, but what about Suvi and Avela? Yeah I felt bad for you about that cough. They're also apparently meant to be seen as sexual, or at least Suvi is. All the Lis are. I don't think the dev in question even remembered Avela, which paints a pretty good sign of how that's going to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 21:52:08 GMT
I think this will also be the first time I'm not dying from a 3 month cough. I know the dev's comments upset you, but what about Suvi and Avela? Yeah I felt bad for you about that cough. They're also apparently meant to be seen as sexual, or at least Suvi is. All the Lis are. I don't think the dev in question even remembered Avela, which paints a pretty good sign of how that's going to go. I'm alright now! It started in March and ended at the end of May. Really? Suvi? Wow... and poor Avela!
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 21:53:00 GMT
(.......) In DA:I, straight women had 4 options. FOUR, FUCKING, OPTIONS, and one of them is super lore and story relevant. No, you are well catered by your options already, so to even HINT that Dorian could be made bi is just extremely selfish. You are only, PURELY, following your own selfish interests at that point. There is no injustice done to straight women in DA:I, you don't need more options, and the inequality is basically why we latched on to Jaal, who isn't fully confirmed straight, who was datamined to be bi, who was teased to be bi, who is the best bet for fixing a lot of the issues we faced. If straight women had only like, one option in DA:I, I could've understood the want for more options when others had two or whatever. But, never, at any point, EVER, EEEEEEEEEEEVER, will gay men have more options than any other group. Never ever. Never. If straight women, or straight men, ever will wind up with the least amount of options, with no plot relevant romances, no squadmate romances, no romances of a race that they never got to experience before, no romances who have unique face and hair textures, no explicit sex scenes, and gay men, or lesbian women, had all of that, more options than straights, more than one same sex exclusive option, and ONE OF THEM being datamined to be bi at one point, who has no reference to their sexuality (only at meta level, and a preference to one gender), THEN WE CAN TALK. But that will never, EVER, happen.- - If you can't wrap your head around all this, then you are just plain ignorant. I react to the things in bold. Why compare to DA:I ? we're in a Mass effect forum here. Compare to Mass effect. And so, you're wrong on this, because YES, in Mass Effect 3, straight women could have NOTHING, NOTHING at all, even gay people had more (at least 1 which is better than 0). if you're a straight female gamer and your Kaidan died in ME3, and you romanced a character who's not back in ME3, you have NOTHING. No straight romance at all, nothing, no sex scene, no kiss, etc. I know, because it was my case, even if I wanted to, I had no romance AT ALL as a straight female gamer in ME3. So, you see, yes, that happens. I'm glad things improved for straight women in ME:A compared to ME3. And I don't understand how bi/gay people can complain against Bioware especially in ME:A, do you realize that in all the characters you can romance, only 2 are straight? 25% only of the characters you can romance are straight (Cora and Liam) aaaaaaall the others are either bi or gay. So 75% are for bi/gay romance. It's even more than in real life. - Cora (straight) - Liam (straight) - Gil (m/m only) - Suvi (f/f only) - Peebee (bi) - Reyes (bi) - Vetra (bi) - Jaal (now bi) So really, almost all the team is bi/gay, so why accuse Bioware of being anti-gay of stupid things like this? I think it's the company that makes the most for bi/gay people, look at all the other videos games, who usually don't care about gay romance (unless it's lesbians just to please the straight male audience, like in Witcher 3 or so many other video games). OF COURSE they always did more for straight male gamers, we agree on this, as they are their main audience, it's all business. But they made more efforts than most other devs for gay/bi/female gamers. So let's not make a war between straight/bi/gay people, and I see no point in starting some kind of witch hunt against straight characters either ("why are they straight? we can't romance them so it means bioware hates gay people!!") > NO. There are straight characters just like there are straight people in real life, that's all. I'm glad that more people can enjoy Jaal's romance now, but in this topic there is some kind of atmosphere where I feel that every straight person not planning to play bi Jaal needs to apology or something. I like diversity, we should respect diversity: some characters straight, some bi, some gay, sexual orientation is part of a character's personality, and making everyone bi is NOT diversity, it's making everyone having the same orientation, the same tastes, and this is not interesting to have characters who all have exactly the same tastes and same sexual orentation, like if they were clones or something. It's understandable as EA wants to please the gamers and now surrenders because of the critics, maybe they hope to sell more games because of this. I also understand very well the people who wanted so much to romance Jaal, now they can, I hope they will enjoy it. But it just destroys the diversity and particularities the characters had if they start doing this every time some people are complaining. Like if they made Gil bi, or Dorian bi, or Sera bi, I'm not for that either. I like the fact that there are people/characters 100% gay, people bi, and people 100% straight, because it's part of what they are as a person. Everyone bi would be so boring.
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Yay Gwyvian . She returns. Yes, summary of last, what 20 something pages... hmmm... JAAL IS BI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*Cough* Ok, I'll go calm down now. *climbs back into Onecrazymonkey1's pocket for safekeeping*
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 22:00:29 GMT
Yeah I felt bad for you about that cough. They're also apparently meant to be seen as sexual, or at least Suvi is. All the Lis are. I don't think the dev in question even remembered Avela, which paints a pretty good sign of how that's going to go. I'm alright now! It started in March and ended at the end of May. Really? Suvi? Wow... and poor Avela! Well, most people saw it with Suvi from the start. I guess they were right when they said I was just deluding myself. And yeah, I doubt Avela will get more content. The game doesn't even consider her a fling, but as it puts it 'a flirtation'.
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Post by beholderess on Jun 7, 2017 22:01:36 GMT
Honestly, to me it's aliens not being bi by default (at least as far as romance with a human main character is concerned) that makes no sense
Really? Someone is quite willing to overlook an entirely different body structure, but not that little thing between the legs? How does that make any sense? Difference in fangs, scales, tentacles, basic body chemistry, protrusions in weird places, plates, odd facial structure etc - that's ok. Has a hole or a baton - that's a deal breaker. How????
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:02:37 GMT
I'm alright now! It started in March and ended at the end of May. Really? Suvi? Wow... and poor Avela! Well, most people saw it with Suvi from the start. I guess they were right when they said I was just deluding myself. And yeah, I doubt Avela will get more content. The game doesn't even consider her a fling, but as it puts it 'a flirtation'. Awww....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 22:06:39 GMT
Honestly, to me it's aliens not being bi by default (at least as far as romance with a human main character is concerned) that makes no sense Really? Someone is quite willing to overlook an entirely different body structure, but not that little thing between the legs? How does that make any sense? Difference in fangs, scales, tentacles, basic body chemistry, protrusions in weird places, plates, odd facial structure etc - that's ok. Has a hole or a baton - that's a deal breaker. How???? I remember because of things like this one of the ideas for equal romances was have all the aliens be available to both and have the humans be the ones available to only one. That way everyone gets an alien option and a human option. With Jaal being bi now, it seems Bioware did just that since all the bi options other than Reyes are aliens and all the options for one sex are human.
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 22:09:12 GMT
Honestly, to me it's aliens not being bi by default (at least as far as romance with a human main character is concerned) that makes no sense Really? Someone is quite willing to overlook an entirely different body structure, but not that little thing between the legs? How does that make any sense? Difference in fangs, scales, tentacles, basic body chemistry, protrusions in weird places, plates, odd facial structure etc - that's ok. Has a hole or a baton - that's a deal breaker. How???? I don't see why every alien need to be bi? It's the same for us humans, not all humans are attracted by aliens of the same sex just because they have a different body? And they're not Hanari or Elcor, they have a human-shape body with two arms, two legs, a hed, a torso, so... I don't see why suddenly everyone should become bi with aliens, and all aliens should become bi with humans. I'm not attracted to Vetra, or to Asari in general, even if they are aliens. And the only difference between a male and a female is not just "the little thing between the legs". A male is not a female with a dick.
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Post by Gwyvian on Jun 7, 2017 22:09:19 GMT
Yay Gwyvian . She returns. Yes, summary of last, what 20 something pages... hmmm... JAAL IS BI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*Cough* Ok, I'll go calm down now. *climbs back into Onecrazymonkey1 's pocket for safekeeping* Hahaha, the excitement is strong, neh? I guess I'll be posting a screenshot of a Jaalmancer Scott here soon... *plots* Slightly related subject: *spotted Stargate in previous pages* I love my favorites peppered in here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:10:16 GMT
Honestly, to me it's aliens not being bi by default (at least as far as romance with a human main character is concerned) that makes no sense Really? Someone is quite willing to overlook an entirely different body structure, but not that little thing between the legs? How does that make any sense? Difference in fangs, scales, tentacles, basic body chemistry, protrusions in weird places, plates, odd facial structure etc - that's ok. Has a hole or a baton - that's a deal breaker. How???? I remember because of things like this one of the ideas for equal romances was have all the aliens be available to both and have the humans be the ones available to only one. That way everyone gets an alien option and a human option. With Jaal being bi now, it seems Bioware did just that since all the bi options other than Reyes are aliens and all the options for one sex are human. This is why it felt perfect when it was first leaked he was bi. Cora - Straight Liam - Straight Vetra - Bi PeeBee - Bi Jaal - Bi
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 22:12:07 GMT
Well, most people saw it with Suvi from the start. I guess they were right when they said I was just deluding myself. And yeah, I doubt Avela will get more content. The game doesn't even consider her a fling, but as it puts it 'a flirtation'. Awww.... Yeah... *walks over to the 0 options corner and dusts it off* "It's been a while, old friend." *sits down*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:12:32 GMT
Yeah... *walks over to the 0 options corner and dusts it off* "It's been a while, old friend." *sits down* *hug*
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 22:13:03 GMT
I remember because of things like this one of the ideas for equal romances was have all the aliens be available to both and have the humans be the ones available to only one. That way everyone gets an alien option and a human option. With Jaal being bi now, it seems Bioware did just that since all the bi options other than Reyes are aliens and all the options for one sex are human. This is why it felt perfect when it was first leaked he was bi. Cora - Straight Liam - Straight Vetra - Bi PeeBee - Bi Jaal - Bi Add Gil, Reyes, and Suvi it becomes the 2/4/2 layout.
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 22:13:03 GMT
Because it doesn't make cultural sense for angara to be straight, considering how ostensibly emotionally open their culture is and how they seem to view gender and sexuality in general from the small glimpses we're given in background information. Human concepts of sexuality doesn't really make sense once you're crossing species anyway; there may be one or two that follow the more 'conventional' lines we think about, but once you're going as far out as the angara, the sense it makes is?? none.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:14:55 GMT
OMG!!! I am about to scream!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:16:22 GMT
Because it doesn't make cultural sense for angara to be straight, considering how ostensibly emotionally open their culture is and how they seem to view gender and sexuality in general from the small glimpses we're given in background information. Human concepts of sexuality doesn't really make sense once you're crossing species anyway; there may be one or two that follow the more 'conventional' lines we think about, but once you're going as far out as the angara, the sense it makes is?? none. That's what they admitted in the patch notes! Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners. And as the angara have expressed their fluidity in how they perceive gender, it seemed only natural that Scott could have a relationship with Jaal.
However, we understand that a character’s orientation is an important part of what makes them feel real. The relationships with your crew are some of the most loved and cherished parts of our games, so we wanted to make sure we got it right. We consulted with members of the LGBTQ community, both externally and within our own studios. After carefully considering all feedback, we decided this was an important change to make, and one that made sense for Jaal, Scott, and the angara.
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 22:17:03 GMT
Because it doesn't make cultural sense for angara to be straight, considering how ostensibly emotionally open their culture is and how they seem to view gender and sexuality in general from the small glimpses we're given in background information. Human concepts of sexuality doesn't really make sense once you're crossing species anyway; there may be one or two that follow the more 'conventional' lines we think about, but once you're going as far out as the angara, the sense it makes is?? none. So emotional people should all be bi? it makes no sense. Even if it's cultural, in Ancient greece, everyone was not bi or gay. It was in the culture and they were very open with it, but you forget about the natural attraction people have with others. Being bi is not just in the culture of people. Everyone has preferences. Some prefer men, some prefer women, some like both, some don't want both. It's not JUST a culture thing.
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