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Post by Dirk on Jun 7, 2017 22:17:24 GMT
Too bad I can't skip work tomorrow, but yes I am very excited!
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 22:19:10 GMT
Aside from aliens having preference because they are aliens, this is also a work of fiction and thus there doesn't even have to be a reason for aliens to be bi...they aren't like humans where there are real world politics and whatnot at play, they are created to be what Bioware needs them to be. If Bioware wants angarans to be more fluid with sexuality and gender then they are because they are, it doesn't have to be justified, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:22:56 GMT
Aside from aliens having preference because they are aliens, this is also a work of fiction and thus there doesn't even have to be a reason for aliens to be bi...they aren't like humans where there are real world politics and whatnot at play, they are created to be what Bioware needs them to be. If Bioware wants angarans to be more fluid with sexuality and gender then they are because they are, it doesn't have to be justified, really. I think the patch notes are trying to justify things to appease straight people (which insults me as a straight woman) and the game expresses m/m with the Angara and the Ambassador even says they are gender-fluid. Whoever wrote those 2 things never consulted with Jaal's writer obviously and made BW look like hypocrites.
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 22:28:31 GMT
Aside from aliens having preference because they are aliens, this is also a work of fiction and thus there doesn't even have to be a reason for aliens to be bi...they aren't like humans where there are real world politics and whatnot at play, they are created to be what Bioware needs them to be. If Bioware wants angarans to be more fluid with sexuality and gender then they are because they are, it doesn't have to be justified, really. So why not make them like this from the beginning? they change them now because of the pressure of the fans, it's just like Jaal, they're changing him afterwards, after the critics. Of course it's related. If they had wanted them all bi from the beginning they would have done it from the start just like the Asari. Of course they do what they want with their creation, but for people who are 100% bi, we really didn't see many bi couples during the game. Not any, in fact, except that story about one marriage? Instead of talking a hundred times about how angaras have big families, they should have introduced the "bi culture" from the start or at least say it ONCE somewhere, to be convincing. They can say whatever they want, it just sound like a bad excuse from them, to suddenly say that now, coming from nowhere, even if they had sooo many opportunities to put that in a dialogue somewhere instead of talking all the time about big families/many siblings.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 22:30:03 GMT
Aside from aliens having preference because they are aliens, this is also a work of fiction and thus there doesn't even have to be a reason for aliens to be bi...they aren't like humans where there are real world politics and whatnot at play, they are created to be what Bioware needs them to be. If Bioware wants angarans to be more fluid with sexuality and gender then they are because they are, it doesn't have to be justified, really. I think the patch notes are trying to justify things to appease straight people (which insults me as a straight woman) and the game expresses m/m with the Angara and the Ambassador even says they are gender-fluid. Whoever wrote those 2 things never consulted with Jaal's writer obviously and made BW look like hypocrites. I mean it'd definitely start more shit with the dudebros and other folks not into bi!Jaal if they didn't explain their reasoning. It's already going to be a shit-show but maybe they will get accused a little less about pandering? Just kidding of course, they will get tons of shit about "pandering". I think they were trying to be like "see we are inclusive!" but it was too flimsy to actually help without a bi or gay/lesbian angaran romance (or even Avela) to back it up. All we had before this patch was some word salad about their fluidity but we didn't have any angaran NPCs in the Tavetaan with their same-sex SO, or Jaal talking about a couple of his mothers being involved with one another for a firsthand thing. I'm rambling a bit so if this is confusing please ask me what I mean about things lol. But the heart of the matter is I would like to see this fluidity even more integrated into the angaran society that we see in the game. EDIT: In general I feel like we heard a lot more about angarans than they themselves showed us...like how all of them are open emotionally...a lot of them don't seem much more open than humans, maybe a little more blunt but I didn't always get "emotional" from them.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 22:32:13 GMT
Aside from aliens having preference because they are aliens, this is also a work of fiction and thus there doesn't even have to be a reason for aliens to be bi...they aren't like humans where there are real world politics and whatnot at play, they are created to be what Bioware needs them to be. If Bioware wants angarans to be more fluid with sexuality and gender then they are because they are, it doesn't have to be justified, really. So why not make them like this from the beginning? they change them now because of the pressure of the fans, it's just like Jaal, they're changing him afterwards, after the critics. Of course it's related. If they had wanted them all bi from the beginning they would have done it from the start just like the Asari. Of course they do what they want with their creation, but for people who are 100% bi, we really didn't see many bi couples during the game. Not any, in fact, except that story about one marriage? Instead of talking a hundred times about how angaras have big families, they should have introduced the "bi culture" from the start or at least say it ONCE somewhere, to be convincing. They can say whatever they want, it just sound like a bad excuse from them, to suddenly say that now, coming from nowhere, even if they had sooo many opportunities to put that in a dialogue somewhere instead of talking all the time about big families/many siblings. Please look at my other post to see what I think about that, but tl;dr I think they just did a shit job of showing us the angaran fluidity.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 7, 2017 22:32:44 GMT
Aside from aliens having preference because they are aliens, this is also a work of fiction and thus there doesn't even have to be a reason for aliens to be bi...they aren't like humans where there are real world politics and whatnot at play, they are created to be what Bioware needs them to be. If Bioware wants angarans to be more fluid with sexuality and gender then they are because they are, it doesn't have to be justified, really. So why not make them like this from the beginning? they change them now because of the pressure of the fans, it's just like Jaal, they're changing him afterwards, after the critics. Of course it's related. If they had wanted them all bi from the beginning they would have done it from the start just like the Asari. Of course they do what they want with their creation, but for people who are 100% bi, we really didn't see many bi couples during the game. Not any, in fact, except that story about one marriage? Instead of talking a hundred times about how angaras have big families, they should have introduced the "bi culture" from the start or at least say it ONCE somewhere, to be convincing. They can say whatever they want, it just sound like a bad excuse from them, to suddenly say that now, coming from nowhere, even if they had sooo many opportunities to put that in a dialogue somewhere instead of talking all the time about big families/many siblings. Because videogame industry sucks and it's homophobic in their roots, gaycaravaggio the same user that leaked romances and other stuff, also leaked that they did this on purpose because you have to draw a line between lgbtq content and homophobic dudebros. After 5 years this is pretty much confirmed. But I'm glad now, so we toast and end the drama once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:33:29 GMT
I think the patch notes are trying to justify things to appease straight people (which insults me as a straight woman) and the game expresses m/m with the Angara and the Ambassador even says they are gender-fluid. Whoever wrote those 2 things never consulted with Jaal's writer obviously and made BW look like hypocrites. I mean it'd definitely start more shit with the dudebros and other folks not into bi!Jaal if they didn't explain their reasoning. It's already going to be a shit-show but maybe they will get accused a little less about pandering? Just kidding of course, they will get tons of shit about "pandering". I think they were trying to be like "see we are inclusive!" but it was too flimsy to actually help without a bi or gay/lesbian angaran romance (or even Avela) to back it up. All we had before this patch was some word salad about their fluidity but we didn't have any angaran NPCs in the Tavetaan with their same-sex SO, or Jaal talking about a couple of his mothers being involved with one another for a firsthand thing. I'm rambling a bit so if this is confusing please ask me what I mean about things lol. But the heart of the matter is I would like to see this fluidity even more integrated into the angaran society that we see in the game. No haha I get what you are saying and I agree. Also that line gets cut off sometimes, so many never knew about the Ambassador saying that Angara are gender-fluid. I have only read the datapad with the m/m Angara couple and you can flirt with Shie as Sara.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 22:37:35 GMT
Also to add because I think I was kind of tripping over myself and getting confusing what I was saying is that I think that angaran society was meant to be more fluid with sexuality and gender all along, but they kind of dropped that thread other than a couple tiny references. So it might seem like bi!Jaal is coming out of nowhere to some, but he had the potential to be bi from the beginning.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 22:40:17 GMT
I think the patch notes are trying to justify things to appease straight people (which insults me as a straight woman) and the game expresses m/m with the Angara and the Ambassador even says they are gender-fluid. Whoever wrote those 2 things never consulted with Jaal's writer obviously and made BW look like hypocrites. I mean it'd definitely start more shit with the dudebros and other folks not into bi!Jaal if they didn't explain their reasoning. It's already going to be a shit-show but maybe they will get accused a little less about pandering? Just kidding of course, they will get tons of shit about "pandering". I think they were trying to be like "see we are inclusive!" but it was too flimsy to actually help without a bi or gay/lesbian angaran romance (or even Avela) to back it up. All we had before this patch was some word salad about their fluidity but we didn't have any angaran NPCs in the Tavetaan with their same-sex SO, or Jaal talking about a couple of his mothers being involved with one another for a firsthand thing. I'm rambling a bit so if this is confusing please ask me what I mean about things lol. But the heart of the matter is I would like to see this fluidity even more integrated into the angaran society that we see in the game. EDIT: In general I feel like we heard a lot more about angarans than they themselves showed us...like how all of them are open emotionally...a lot of them don't seem much more open than humans, maybe a little more blunt but I didn't always get "emotional" from them. What did you mean regarding the Avela part?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:40:25 GMT
Also to add because I think I was kind of tripping over myself and getting confusing what I was saying is that I think that angaran society was meant to be more fluid with sexuality and gender all along, but they kind of dropped that thread other than a couple tiny references. So it might seem like bi!Jaal is coming out of nowhere to some, but he had the potential to be from the beginning. I guess those of us who felt he was bi are less shocked haha and I only disagreed with changing him after I played because it felt like they were shoving how straight he was down our throats. Now things seem clear again, like they did when we thought he was bi. Davrin's boobs I will never forget those PM's between me and her and how horrified I was at what she told me about EA and cutting m/m squadmates, then I was the one to announce it here and... wow... so glad it's over!!! :sob:
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 22:41:44 GMT
Also to add because I think I was kind of tripping over myself and getting confusing what I was saying is that I think that angaran society was meant to be more fluid with sexuality and gender all along, but they kind of dropped that thread other than a couple tiny references. So it might seem like bi!Jaal is coming out of nowhere to some, but he had the potential to be bi from the beginning. Yah, that's what I was trying to say as well. Thanks for summing it up. xD It didn't seem like it was coming out of nowhere for me whatsoever, because there were those seeds planted.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 22:42:07 GMT
I mean it'd definitely start more shit with the dudebros and other folks not into bi!Jaal if they didn't explain their reasoning. It's already going to be a shit-show but maybe they will get accused a little less about pandering? Just kidding of course, they will get tons of shit about "pandering". I think they were trying to be like "see we are inclusive!" but it was too flimsy to actually help without a bi or gay/lesbian angaran romance (or even Avela) to back it up. All we had before this patch was some word salad about their fluidity but we didn't have any angaran NPCs in the Tavetaan with their same-sex SO, or Jaal talking about a couple of his mothers being involved with one another for a firsthand thing. I'm rambling a bit so if this is confusing please ask me what I mean about things lol. But the heart of the matter is I would like to see this fluidity even more integrated into the angaran society that we see in the game. EDIT: In general I feel like we heard a lot more about angarans than they themselves showed us...like how all of them are open emotionally...a lot of them don't seem much more open than humans, maybe a little more blunt but I didn't always get "emotional" from them. What did you mean regarding the Avela part? I meant that they had the opportunity to make a bi/lesbian angaran character in Avela but chose to make her straight. By "or even..." I meant to indicate that she's not a full romance option so it'd be less optimal to have her be the LGBT+ angara, but still at least give us a non-straight angaran character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 22:45:00 GMT
What did you mean regarding the Avela part? I meant that they had the opportunity to make a bi/lesbian angaran character in Avela but chose to make her straight. Ah, okay. Though to be honest, even if they did that wouldn't be enough due to how small a character and romance she has. Though I do think it could have been cute with her and Sarah since both love archaeology.
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 22:45:06 GMT
Because videogame industry sucks and it's homophobic in their roots, gaycaravaggio the same user that leaked romances and other stuff, also leaked that they did this on purpose because you have to draw a line between lgbtq content and homophobic dudebros. After 5 years this is pretty much confirmed. But I'm glad now, so we toast and end the drama once and for all. I hope you don't mean that ALL people wanting straight romance are homophobic, because sometimes it's what some people here seem to say. Like not wanting to play a gay romance is not homophobic, it's just the way we want to play or not. (just like male gamers wanting to romance Jaal were not ready to play as Sara to romance him) If Bioware was really homophobic do you think they would make all those bi/gay romances? they would do nothing at all for bi/gays if they were. For example in Witcher 3, which is a great video game, I feel a very "macho" atmosphere: we only see things pleasing the straight male gamers. Nothing to please the female gamers or bi/gay gamers, never. I skipped all the sex/romance scenes in the Witcher games because it was so obviously for fanservice targetting straight men. So I feel lucky that Bioware thinks about the "minorities".
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Post by janalilith on Jun 7, 2017 22:46:21 GMT
SERIOUSLY SCREAMED RIGHT NOW! And I have tomorrow off
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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 22:46:44 GMT
I meant that they had the opportunity to make a bi/lesbian angaran character in Avela but chose to make her straight. Ah, okay. Though let's be honest, even if they did that wouldn't be enough do to how small a character and romance she has. Though I do think it could have been cute with her and Sarah since both love archaeology. Yeah I edited my original reply to reflect her scrap of a romance that's not even considered a fling in the game. It would have been super cute to have her and Sara geek out together
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 7, 2017 22:47:07 GMT
Awwww, you guys. I'm so sorry I've been so absent, life is kind of complicated right now, I've entered a limbo land between homes, we're sort of moving (that's the house without internet) but it's only temporary and we're still keeping our apartment so... it's super complicated and stressful (one car, big distance, conflicting jobs, not enough time, the cat, etc.). Plus I'm totally swamped with work (2 jobs plus a myriad of smaller stuff on the side), I feel a little like I've been drawn and quartered, I'm either rushing around cramming whatever I can into the little time I have or passing out from exhaustion. But I haven't forgotten you!! I have a lot of catching up to do... I've also been working a lot on chapter 6 (and another something you guys will enjoy), with that I've been... overcoming some roadblocks you could say (writer's block, stress, collapses of self-confidence, etc.) but I think I've sorted it out; I needed to rediscover the Akksul spark and fine-tune the direction of the overall story, which I've done since then so it shouldn't be long now and I'll be officially back. Now I just have to squeeze finishing writing it between jobs somehow. ( That's my real vacation - I wish I could just spend all my time writing.) I'll try and keep up, I don't know if I can go over all the pages I've missed (overview anyone? ) although I do know about biJaal coming up! I'm planning my Scott already. And welcome back LadyC! Also I still owe a few responses, I have them bookmarked... Alright, I gotta dash back into the manic world of super technical schematic proofreading to be done in half the time I actually need! I hate my job sometimes. Ahhhh I feel bad for summoning you now, I knew you had a lot of work but didn't realize just how stressful or hectic. I've worked two jobs before and it wasn't fun so I feel for you. Also, don't lose self confidence with your writing, your fics are loved. Hmmm... I bet it's after the love confession. When he twirls her around and the screen fades out. Probably. Like I said, the only "difference" is no nudity and a fade to black sex scene rather than an explicit one. You know, what people who choose a "non-sex" route want. Did the devs actually tell you that none of the romances can be interpreted as ace? I'm sorry Hanako. Yay Gwyvian . She returns. Yes, summary of last, what 20 something pages... hmmm... JAAL IS BI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*Cough* Ok, I'll go calm down now. *climbs back into Onecrazymonkey1 's pocket for safekeeping* Just chirp when you're hungry so I can feed you. I'll keep you safe but I don't want you to starve. also @ anyone who can answer. I saw something about kestrel mentioning a shitshow on the previous page. Is the patch not going to be out tomorrow or did I miss something?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:47:53 GMT
That patch will be out tomorrow on 8 AM PST, Monkey!
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 22:48:11 GMT
I think I was talking about the Livestream they're doing tomorrow haha. If they turn on comments, the comments are going to be a MESS and I know a few people mentioned wanting to watch it, and I was trying to warn them that the comments people will be making will probably be deeply upsetting and homophobic.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 22:49:01 GMT
I still think that the angara supposedly perceiving gender with fluidity is nothing but cheap talk. They could have done something interesting with that idea by interweaving it with the angara in terms of culture and language but they didn't. It's tell, not show. I barely even consider it to be tell because if you didn't know about the comment made by the team outside of the game or you missed the one conversation in the game, you wouldn't know that the angara perceive gender as something other than two genders that are consistent. It's feel so much like the asari and their supposed genderneutrality. They say it's there but for all intents and purposes, it's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:49:20 GMT
I think I was talking about the Livestream they're doing tomorrow haha. If they turn on comments, the comments are going to be a MESS and I know a few people mentioned wanting to watch it, and I was trying to warn them that the comments people will be making will probably be deeply upsetting and homophobic. Sounds like the patch thread. I was so angry earlier my mouse was creaking from how tight I was gripping it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 22:51:30 GMT
Probably. Like I said, the only "difference" is no nudity and a fade to black sex scene rather than an explicit one. You know, what people who choose a "non-sex" route want. Did the devs actually tell you that none of the romances can be interpreted as ace? I'm sorry Hanako. Pretty much. I asked a few questions to Ian via Pm while he was here yesterday about things like the Jaal/Scott romance and other things. One question was which romances were written to be ambiguous and which ones weren't. His response was that none of them were written to be ambiguous bout it was more some were written to be explicit and the others implicit when it came to sex. He mentioned that due to the implicitly, it could be seen as ambiguous but they see most people seeing it as them still having sex just not shown. Ergo, no ace romances. Any possible representation or options there is merely a coincidental byproduct of how they made the romances.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 7, 2017 22:51:49 GMT
Because videogame industry sucks and it's homophobic in their roots, gaycaravaggio the same user that leaked romances and other stuff, also leaked that they did this on purpose because you have to draw a line between lgbtq content and homophobic dudebros. After 5 years this is pretty much confirmed. But I'm glad now, so we toast and end the drama once and for all. I hope you don't mean that ALL people wanting straight romance are homophobic, because sometimes it's what some people here seem to say. Like not wanting to play a gay romance is not homophobic, it's just the way we want to play or not. (just like male gamers wanting to romance Jaal were not ready to play as Sara to romance him) If Bioware was really homophobic do you think they would make all those bi/gay romances? they would do nothing at all for bi/gays if they were. For example in Witcher 3, which is a great video game, I feel a very "macho" atmosphere: we only see things pleasing the straight male gamers. Nothing to please the female gamers or bi/gay gamers, never. I skipped all the sex/romance scenes in the Witcher games because it was so obviously for fanservice targetting straight men. So I feel lucky that Bioware thinks about the "minorities". Lol tell me where I did say something like that. Anyway, think whatever you want.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 7, 2017 22:52:49 GMT
That patch will be out tomorrow on 8 AM PST, Monkey! I think I was talking about the Livestream they're doing tomorrow haha. If they turn on comments, the comments are going to be a MESS and I know a few people mentioned wanting to watch it, and I was trying to warn them that the comments people will be making will probably be deeply upsetting and homophobic. Oh ok, thanks for both your answers! I got scared for a second.
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