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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:54:03 GMT
Haha this is funny. Now that I add up all my first time BW romances I get this:
Zev - Bi Fenris - Bi Iron Bull - Bi (or Pan) Thane - Almost Bi Jaal - Bi
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 22:55:27 GMT
I hope you don't mean that ALL people wanting straight romance are homophobic, because sometimes it's what some people here seem to say. Like not wanting to play a gay romance is not homophobic, it's just the way we want to play or not. (just like male gamers wanting to romance Jaal were not ready to play as Sara to romance him) If Bioware was really homophobic do you think they would make all those bi/gay romances? they would do nothing at all for bi/gays if they were. For example in Witcher 3, which is a great video game, I feel a very "macho" atmosphere: we only see things pleasing the straight male gamers. Nothing to please the female gamers or bi/gay gamers, never. I skipped all the sex/romance scenes in the Witcher games because it was so obviously for fanservice targetting straight men. So I feel lucky that Bioware thinks about the "minorities". Lol tell me where I did say something like that. Anyway, think whatever you want. It's just that Bioware is accused of being homophobic when they make some characters straight. Creating a straight character is not something homophobic, just for the pleasure of making the gay people sad or something.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 22:59:49 GMT
Did the devs actually tell you that none of the romances can be interpreted as ace? I'm sorry Hanako. Pretty much. I asked a few questions to Ian via Pm while he was here yesterday about things like the Jaal/Scott romance and other things. One question was which romances were written to be ambiguous and which ones weren't. His response was that none of them were written to be ambiguous bout it was more some were written to be explicit and the others implicit when it came to sex. He mentioned that due to the implicitly, it could be seen as ambiguous but they see most people seeing it as them still having sex just not shown. Ergo, no ace romances. Any possible representation or options there is merely a coincidental byproduct of how they made the romances. Yeah, I noticed this with Jaal's romance: if you turn him down in the waterfall scene, he looks noticeably dejected and disappointed. I was admittedly disappointed myself to see this but it's his character and I wouldn't want it changed. While I'd hoped for different, it is nice to see a not now option. I requested such an option for roleplaying and other purposes so I'm happy to see it included. At least, there's always a chance in Dragon Age 4. Dragon Age: Inquisition had two options that were ambiguous by intent and Patrick Weekes, the now lead for the series writer, wrote one of them. Hope's still bright and burning.
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Post by chococri on Jun 7, 2017 23:02:42 GMT
Happy present! Happy 2017!
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jun 7, 2017 23:05:39 GMT
Did the devs actually tell you that none of the romances can be interpreted as ace? I'm sorry Hanako. Pretty much. I asked a few questions to Ian via Pm while he was here yesterday about things like the Jaal/Scott romance and other things. One question was which romances were written to be ambiguous and which ones weren't. His response was that none of them were written to be ambiguous bout it was more some were written to be explicit and the others implicit when it came to sex. He mentioned that due to the implicitly, it could be seen as ambiguous but they see most people seeing it as them still having sex just not shown. Ergo, no ace romances. Any possible representation or options there is merely a coincidental byproduct of how they made the romances. I'm really sorry Hanako, I'm sure it sucks to read that and I know headcanon is not the same as actual representation. I hope you let him know that there are plenty who want an actual ace romance some day.
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Post by fuzzyshep on Jun 7, 2017 23:05:55 GMT
I know the patch technically comes tomorrow, but what if I just... kept rebooting my xbox1 in case it magically appeared early.
Yea. Yea, that sounds good. Feels right.
:..)
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 23:06:29 GMT
Happy current year!
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 23:08:34 GMT
I...
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Oh oh! I had a question but I forgot when writing this. Now I remember: the romance outfit doesn't come out tomorrow, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:08:53 GMT
Only 16 hours until I can finally enjoy my Jaalmance after 4 months of depression!
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Post by kestrel on Jun 7, 2017 23:09:49 GMT
I... Uh... What? Oh oh! I had a question but I forgot when writing this. Now I remember: the romance outfit doesn't come out tomorrow, right? I didn't think the romance outfit was a real thing? Just a really, really bad joke about the Blasto tank.
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Post by chococri on Jun 7, 2017 23:10:09 GMT
I know the patch technically comes tomorrow, but what if I just... kept rebooting my xbox1 in case it magically appeared early. Yea. Yea, that sounds good. Feels right. :..) We are together so np
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 23:12:54 GMT
Pretty much. I asked a few questions to Ian via Pm while he was here yesterday about things like the Jaal/Scott romance and other things. One question was which romances were written to be ambiguous and which ones weren't. His response was that none of them were written to be ambiguous bout it was more some were written to be explicit and the others implicit when it came to sex. He mentioned that due to the implicitly, it could be seen as ambiguous but they see most people seeing it as them still having sex just not shown. Ergo, no ace romances. Any possible representation or options there is merely a coincidental byproduct of how they made the romances. Yeah, I noticed this with Jaal's romance: if you turn him down in the waterfall scene, he looks noticeably dejected and disappointed. I was admittedly disappointed myself to see this but it's his character and I wouldn't want it changed. While I'd hoped for different, it is nice to see a not now option. I requested such an option for roleplaying and other purposes so I'm happy to see it included. At least, there's always a chance in Dragon Age 4. Dragon Age: Inquisition had two options that were ambiguous by intent and Patrick Weekes, the now lead for the series writer, wrote one of them. Hope's still bright and burning. I noticed that too. Between that and how the game immediately invalidated that choice, to be honest I felt a little gross as I finished that playthrough. With how this game handled it, they may as well have never bothered with those choices. Gil, Jaal, and Liam just disregard them anyway. The only one that actually respects the choice is Cora, but with what Ian said I'm expecting a DLC to result in disregarding that choice as well. I'm not that hopeful with DA4 to be honest. Patrick Weekes in an interview talked about how they don't really plan to go further than they have when it comes to ace representation, seeing what they do as enough for now. The only exception is Sylvia with Josephine who straight up said that seeing her as asexual or demisexual are perfectly valid interpretations, but she is working on 'Dylan' now which may not even have romances.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 23:13:07 GMT
I... Uh... What? Oh oh! I had a question but I forgot when writing this. Now I remember: the romance outfit doesn't come out tomorrow, right? I didn't think the romance outfit was a real thing? Just a really, really bad joke about the Blasto tank. I could of sworn LC said there was an actual one or maybe I misremembering or things changed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:14:55 GMT
I didn't think the romance outfit was a real thing? Just a really, really bad joke about the Blasto tank. I could of sworn LC said there was an actual one or maybe I misremembering or things changed Oh Gamble was saying if something we expected wasn't in the patch (outrage at the outfit flooded his Twitter that day lol), it would be in the next, but since it's not, it's either a joke or for the patch after this one.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 23:15:32 GMT
Pretty much. I asked a few questions to Ian via Pm while he was here yesterday about things like the Jaal/Scott romance and other things. One question was which romances were written to be ambiguous and which ones weren't. His response was that none of them were written to be ambiguous bout it was more some were written to be explicit and the others implicit when it came to sex. He mentioned that due to the implicitly, it could be seen as ambiguous but they see most people seeing it as them still having sex just not shown. Ergo, no ace romances. Any possible representation or options there is merely a coincidental byproduct of how they made the romances. I'm really sorry Hanako, I'm sure it sucks to read that and I know headcanon is not the same as actual representation. I hope you let him know that there are plenty who want an actual ace romance some day. Thanks. And yeah, this is twice now devs have ripped the rug out from under me when it comes to this stuff. I did, and maybe someday.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 23:19:20 GMT
I could of sworn LC said there was an actual one or maybe I misremembering or things changed Oh Gamble was saying if something we expected wasn't in the patch (outrage at the outfit flooded his Twitter that day lol), it would be in the next, but since it's not, it's either a joke or for the patch after this one. Lmao I mean, I don't care much? I'd like the outfit a lot more with out those crappy as hell product placement headphones
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:19:48 GMT
Oh Gamble was saying if something we expected wasn't in the patch (outrage at the outfit flooded his Twitter that day lol), it would be in the next, but since it's not, it's either a joke or for the patch after this one. Lmao I mean, I don't care much? I'd like the outfit a lot more with out those crappy as hell product placement headphones Still want a dress for my date with Reyes!
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Jun 7, 2017 23:19:50 GMT
I'm really sorry Hanako, I'm sure it sucks to read that and I know headcanon is not the same as actual representation. I hope you let him know that there are plenty who want an actual ace romance some day. Thanks. And yeah, this is twice now devs have ripped the rug out from under me when it comes to this stuff. I did, and maybe someday. When was the other time, if I can ask?
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 23:22:27 GMT
So in the patch there will be nothing more for Reyes for example? and for other romances? I hope there will be new party banter?
@hanako: wouldn't Ace work with Vetra? as she doesn't seem to have any intimate scene, except a kiss? But yes it would be nice to have at least one character clearly ace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:22:38 GMT
Alright I give up! I gave it one last shot, but nope! Even after I figured out Jaal was bi, cut for time and BW not being sure how to make it work, then made bi again the right way, people still say he was always straight. I blame that in-game dialogue. Fooled me too.
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Post by vana on Jun 7, 2017 23:26:43 GMT
Alright I give up! I gave it one last shot, but nope! Even after I figured out Jaal was bi, cut for time and BW not being sure how to make it work, then made bi again the right way, people still say he was always straight. I blame that in-game dialogue. Fooled me too. Who said that? Can't blame people for thinking that, all that flirt with ladies could be quite convincing even me at first I thought he was bi because I've read a blog before the release saying he might be a bi romance, but then while playing, he seemed really straight to me, so... hard to change the mind of all the people influenced by these dialogues, party banter and flirt.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 23:27:39 GMT
Alright I give up! I gave it one last shot, but nope! Even after I figured out Jaal was bi, cut for time and BW not being sure how to make it work, then made bi again the right way, people still say he was always straight. I blame that in-game dialogue. Fooled me too. No worries. Haters gonna hate. As you said a few pages ago, the haters are in the minority. They say their homophobic propaganda and proclaim "jAaL iS sUpEr StRaIgHt!!!! ROAR!!!" then disappear until the next thing they want to complain about. I'm just ignoring them. Jaal is now available for Scott, and I don't care how hurt Sara players are because it does not affect them in any way. Jaal and Sara still have their own story. Jaal and Scott will have his. It doesn't affect them at all, and they're obtuse for thinking otherwise.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jun 7, 2017 23:28:28 GMT
Actually we don't know whether he was ever 'intended' to be bi or not, we can only guess. Considering they had to have the VA record lines though, I'd lean towards no.
Who gives a damn at this point though? He's bi now. :hearteyes: Looking forward, not back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:28:41 GMT
Alright I give up! I gave it one last shot, but nope! Even after I figured out Jaal was bi, cut for time and BW not being sure how to make it work, then made bi again the right way, people still say he was always straight. I blame that in-game dialogue. Fooled me too. Who said that? Can't blame people for thinking that, all that flirt with ladies could be quite convincing even me at first I thought he was bi because I've read a blog before the release saying he might be a bi romance, but then while playing, he seemed really straight to me, so... Yeah that's the problem. I was fine with him being bi. All my romances are mostly bi and some of the best, but the way they have him act in-game it's like he's so in denial he's trying to overcompensate.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2017 23:28:59 GMT
Thanks. And yeah, this is twice now devs have ripped the rug out from under me when it comes to this stuff. I did, and maybe someday. When was the other time, if I can ask? Dragon Age 2 with Merrill. Back when DA2 had the characters be sexually ambiguous, I saw Merrill as possible representation only for David Gaider to destroy that when they clarified they were all bi, even using her as an example and saying she is just bisexual. @hanako: wouldn't Ace work with Vetra? as she doesn't seem to have any intimate scene, except a kiss? But yes it would be nice to have at least one character clearly ace. Not really. Her dinner scene ends with her saying she has something else she thinks Ryder will like as they are next to the bed and she starts going down Ryder's body as it fades to black. I would love to have a character be clearly part of the ace spectrum. My fool's hope right now is Lexi maybe getting the Garrus and Tali treatment and becomes a LI in MEA2 if we continue with Ryder and if she does she is ace.
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