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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Feb 21, 2017 0:36:20 GMT
Feel better!! You are awesome fialka . Thank you for being so dedicated to the summaries!!! Thanks! I've had this all my life. I'm glad it's not chronic but once a month I get 3 days of this (especially in mild weather). And tomorrow we might get info. Fun lol Goodnight all! Night, m'Lady.
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Feb 21, 2017 0:42:26 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. Don't forget, we're only exploring 1/4 of the Andromeda Galaxy. Namely the Helios Cluster. So as of right now, we have Angara, Kett, and the Remnant. And wasn't it tweeted we haven't seen all of the new races?
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 21, 2017 0:43:59 GMT
Not that there's anything wrong with pole-dancing, of course, but yeah, I totally see your point and 100% agree with it. I think with each game the depiction of the asari gets more progressive. I am actually very excited about ME:A asari and see how modern progressive writers handle them. I mean, by their nature asari are a progressive species; the whole "what is gender even?" thing I just love to itty-bitty pieces. Yeah, for sure, it's not the pole dancing itself I take issue with. If that's what you enjoy, that's totes cool. It was more the "Hey let's have them as a species all gravitate to it in their youth and just about every club has them in it, because men play this game right?" But yeah, each game they got a little better and I'd like to think BioWare of 2017 is even better than it was in 2009, and even 2012. They were breaking barriers even then, so these were all mostly minor grievances, all things considered. I have no problem with strip clubs in games. However, ME should have both genders doing it and not just Asari. It's not just straight men playing games anymore. ME is getting better at being inclusive.
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Post by fialka on Feb 21, 2017 0:56:09 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. A bit, yeah, but... it could well be that we're the first human Jaal has ever seen (based on the female's dialogue in the background - 'he's a human, from another galaxy' - I feel like she wouldn't need to say that if he'd seen some of us before). So that's pretty awesome, actually, if true! I also remember seeing in a recent article that the Kett and Angara are not the only sentient species in the game, so we may well have first contact with a different species at least. It's unfortunate that we won't have that with the Angara, but it could be that we'll have that experience of meeting a new alien with a language we won't understand elsewhere? I'd really love that, personally.
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Post by Toodles on Feb 21, 2017 0:58:35 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. Mhm. I remember feeling very disappointed when I spotted an Angara standing in what seemed like an interspecies area (forgot where, looked a bit like the citadel)--it took a ton of the tension and mystery out of the trailer moment Ryder's lead by a bunch of gun-toting Angara. Now when I see it, I'm totally unimpressed--thinking that they've already been at least partially documented, absorbed into the system, and don't harbor any big secrets...that while maybe the Angara are slightly unusual, they're really no mystery to Ryder. Could be wrong and I could be assuming too much, but, yeah. It's unfortunate that the first contact thing isn't a, well, thing. Edit: Well, at least Jaal probably hasn't seen a human
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Post by Psychedelic on Feb 21, 2017 0:59:24 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. That is why I find the introduction we hear in the second trailer ("... a human, from another galaxy.") a bit strange. It would only make sense, if whoever is addressed had never seen a human before, but in the same trailer they show Angara in Kadara Port alongside with MW species. I know the voiceover might be from a completely different scene than the one we see, but when the Hyperion arrives, humans must already have been around quite some time. I don't think it's likely we'll see anything from the time before Ryder gets out of stasis, so the explanation what this new species is called and where they are from must be from after Ryder's arrival. I don't know how this could happen, but I haven't given up hope for a first contact scene with the Angara yet.
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Post by bioana on Feb 21, 2017 1:06:36 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. That is why I find the introduction we hear in the second trailer ("... a human, from another galaxy.") a bit strange. It would only make sense, if whoever is addressed had never seen a human before, but in the same trailer they show Angara in Kadara Port alongside with MW species. I know the voiceover might be from a completely different scene than the one we see, but when the Hyperion arrives, humans must already have been around quite some time. I don't think it's likely we'll see anything from the time before Ryder gets out of stasis, so the explanation what this new species is called and where they are from must be from after Ryder's arrival. I don't know how this could happen, but I haven't given up hope for a first contact scene with the Angara yet. I kind of thought that, assuming the Angara have expanded as much as the other races, we might just be the first group of pathfinders meeting this particular settlement. The other pathfinders could have run into traders or settlers on other colonized planets. I figured each group of pathfinders might be sent to check out a different 'golden world', so if this was ours I could understand these particular Angarans not recognizing us. Or at least what the Angaran lady said might have still made sense if they knew OF us but just hadn't seen Humans/Turians/etc. in person yet, like if they had only seen vids or whatever. (that said I didn't go back to check if port Kadara was on the Angaran homeworld so this is probably not even close lmao i tried. i sure hope nobody posted this in the time i took to type this up?? good lord you guys move fast)
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Post by fialka on Feb 21, 2017 1:17:51 GMT
That is why I find the introduction we hear in the second trailer ("... a human, from another galaxy.") a bit strange. It would only make sense, if whoever is addressed had never seen a human before, but in the same trailer they show Angara in Kadara Port alongside with MW species. I know the voiceover might be from a completely different scene than the one we see, but when the Hyperion arrives, humans must already have been around quite some time. I don't think it's likely we'll see anything from the time before Ryder gets out of stasis, so the explanation what this new species is called and where they are from must be from after Ryder's arrival. I don't know how this could happen, but I haven't given up hope for a first contact scene with the Angara yet. I kind of thought that, assuming the Angara have expanded as much as the other races, we might just be the first group of pathfinders meeting this particular settlement. The other pathfinders could have run into traders or settlers on other colonized planets. I figured each group of pathfinders might be sent to check out a different 'golden world', so if this was ours I could understand these particular Angarans not recognizing us. Or at least what the Angaran lady said might have still made sense if they knew OF us but just hadn't seen Humans/Turians/etc. in person yet, like if they had only seen vids or whatever. (that said I didn't go back to check if port Kadara was on the Angaran homeworld so this is probably not even close lmao i tried. i sure hope nobody posted this in the time i took to type this up?? good lord you guys move fast) I don't think Kadara is on the Angaran homeworld. It's more desert-like, with red corals and grasslands looking vegetation. What I speculate is the Angaran homeworld seems to have drier red cliff areas, and wet jungles, but the flora is is very distinctive - lots of blues and purples and you have these glowing plants. So it's possible that the Angara we see in Kadara are colonists of that planet or something. So while the Angara that live on their presumed homeworld might have heard of us, they've never actually encountered us in person before.
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Post by Gludipow on Feb 21, 2017 1:22:23 GMT
Everyone talking about Jaal having not seen a human before, but knowing of them just makes me think that when he sees Ryder for the first time he's smirking because he's thinking "so this is a human! They're so small and cute!"
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Post by Psychedelic on Feb 21, 2017 1:23:32 GMT
That is why I find the introduction we hear in the second trailer ("... a human, from another galaxy.") a bit strange. It would only make sense, if whoever is addressed had never seen a human before, but in the same trailer they show Angara in Kadara Port alongside with MW species. I know the voiceover might be from a completely different scene than the one we see, but when the Hyperion arrives, humans must already have been around quite some time. I don't think it's likely we'll see anything from the time before Ryder gets out of stasis, so the explanation what this new species is called and where they are from must be from after Ryder's arrival. I don't know how this could happen, but I haven't given up hope for a first contact scene with the Angara yet. I kind of thought that, assuming the Angara have expanded as much as the other races, we might just be the first group of pathfinders meeting this particular settlement. The other pathfinders could have run into traders or settlers on other colonized planets. I figured each group of pathfinders might be sent to check out a different 'golden world', so if this was ours I could understand these particular Angarans not recognizing us. Or at least what the Angaran lady said might have still made sense if they knew OF us but just hadn't seen Humans/Turians/etc. in person yet, like if they had only seen vids or whatever. (that said I didn't go back to check if port Kadara was on the Angaran homeworld so this is probably not even close lmao i tried. i sure hope nobody posted this in the time i took to type this up?? good lord you guys move fast) Not sure if Kadara is the Angaran homeworld, it has some fluorescent plants, but no jungle-like vegetation, more arid. Could be the same planet in a different climate zone, but no way to find out for sure. I thought there might be different groups of Angara we'll deal with, too, but in that case they don't seem to talk with each other. Maybe a rogue faction, that has severed any ties to the other Angaran? Still very odd, the parts don't fit together. edit: yep, you are too fast
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 1:31:52 GMT
This is a bit old now but, I don't think the developers are being unfair in withholding information on Jaal.
I still maintain there should be an element of mystery to them and the angara going into the game, otherwise I think a huge moment and narrative suspension would be ruined. I'd like a profile to know a tiny bit more, specifically squad role and combat stuff, and hearing his voice, but other than that they shouldn't reveal too much else, or else that sense of discovery is just lost.
Also I doubt they were expecting the huge response to Jaal. I didn't, even when I first started posting in this thread, I wasn't expecting how big it and the character would take off.
We are 4 weeks away now, so I'm expecting more Jaal info.
But in many ways, id actually prefer to know more about characters we have yet to meet, like the crew of the Tempest. All we really know of at the moment is Kallo and Lexi. If the crew are of importance and have equal content to the squadmates, I'd like to know more on them too.
As for Jaal and his species, the more that's left to be discovered in the game, the better I think.
And if the developers decide to remain tight lipped about them, I don't take that to mean that we've overestimated Jaal's importance, nor should it indicate Jaal is a temporary squadmate or has less content or something negative like that. I think Jaal and the angara have a significant part to play in the narrative, and thus the less said about them, the more rewarding discovering it firsthand in the game it will be.
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 21, 2017 1:32:41 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. Could there be a chance that we make first contact with the Kett?
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Post by azogthenailfiler on Feb 21, 2017 1:32:54 GMT
Everyone talking about Jaal having not seen a human before, but knowing of them just makes me think that when he sees Ryder for the first time he's smirking because he's thinking "so this is a human! They're so small and cute!" I would like this to be canon.
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Post by bioana on Feb 21, 2017 1:42:50 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. Mhm. I remember feeling very disappointed when I spotted an Angara standing in what seemed like an interspecies area (forgot where, looked a bit like the citadel)--it took a ton of the tension and mystery out of the trailer moment Ryder's lead by a bunch of gun-toting Angara. Now when I see it, I'm totally unimpressed--thinking that they've already been at least partially documented, absorbed into the system, and don't harbor any big secrets...that while maybe the Angara are slightly unusual, they're really no mystery to Ryder. Could be wrong and I could be assuming too much, but, yeah. It's unfortunate that the first contact thing isn't a, well, thing. Edit: Well, at least Jaal probably hasn't seen a human at the very least, considering we don't know when we gain access to the citadel/nexus area or the Angaran homeworld, there might be a (super duper) slim possibility that our first story mission ends up being Jaal's settlement?? (i can come up with exactly 0 ways that would come about but i didn't really expect to spawn directly into a prison cell in inquisition so who knows) and we see Angarans on the station thing later. like an 'oh no the newbies messed with the indigenous species, we'd better invite them onto the nexus as reparation' kind of thing. that might kind of explain why we didn't see any kett in that hub screenshot too? or they were there and it was just unfortunate camera placement. i am here for 28 days of wishful thinking lmao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 1:47:06 GMT
Also worth noting that tomorrow (well, it's already the 21st here in the U.K.) is when IGN supposedly release their coverage of the game. So even if no official tweets or stuff (though I'm expecting something from the devs as well) we are assured some new stuff tomorrow
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Post by Psychedelic on Feb 21, 2017 1:48:49 GMT
Kind of Jaal related, but is anyone else disappointed that it seems like we won't get a true first contact moment with the Andromeda aliens? The devs kind of deprived us of it by making the Nexus get there a while before us, and clearly the Milky Way races already have contact with the Angara by the time we arrive. And I mean, I get it. It makes establishing lore and connections much quicker and easier, such as updating our language tech to include new races. But that kind of moment would be just epic and it feels like we're missing out big time. Could there be a chance that we make first contact with the Kett? Hard to imagine the Kett and Angara do not know each other, and if the Angara know us, so would the Kett. It all takes place in a relatively small area of the Andromeda galaxy, no terribly long distances for space faring species. And humans have already botched up one first contact, better not to repeat that.
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Post by Kymira on Feb 21, 2017 1:52:51 GMT
Also worth noting that tomorrow (well, it's already the 21st here in the U.K.) is when IGN supposedly release their coverage of the game. So even if no official tweets or stuff (though I'm expecting something from the devs as well) we are assured some new stuff tomorrow Yeah! Saw that. This excites meee. New stuff!
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 21, 2017 1:56:13 GMT
Little late to the thread, what are the predictions here on which Ryder(s) Jaal can be a possible LI for? I hope both!
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Post by Crim on Feb 21, 2017 2:08:11 GMT
Also worth noting that tomorrow (well, it's already the 21st here in the U.K.) is when IGN supposedly release their coverage of the game. So even if no official tweets or stuff (though I'm expecting something from the devs as well) we are assured some new stuff tomorrow You can't spell ignorance without IGN. You guys can give the rundown, I don't care for IGN myself.
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 21, 2017 2:09:45 GMT
Little late to the thread, what are the predictions here on which Ryder(s) Jaal can be a possible LI for? I hope both! The consensus we have is that it's probable he is a LI for both and Liam is straight. It would be nice if they were both bi, but probably not.
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 21, 2017 2:11:09 GMT
Little late to the thread, what are the predictions here on which Ryder(s) Jaal can be a possible LI for? I hope both! The consensus we have is that it's probable he is a LI for both and Liam is straight. It would be nice if they were both bi, but probably not. k - damn, I wanted Liam to be bi. I'm sure Cora is. I know everyone can't be bi, and that's not appropriate really. I'd just like one hot male human a male Ryder can date - that's all i'm sayin.
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 21, 2017 2:11:36 GMT
Little late to the thread, what are the predictions here on which Ryder(s) Jaal can be a possible LI for? I hope both! It's pretty likely that Jaal can be a LI for both Ryders. Love your profile pic by the way!
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Post by Crim on Feb 21, 2017 2:17:35 GMT
Little late to the thread, what are the predictions here on which Ryder(s) Jaal can be a possible LI for? I hope both! This is a pretty united thread, haven't seen anyone here wish for Jaal to be gated to one gender over another. Unlike what I've seen in other character threads. Consensus, hoping both parties will get Jaal. All Jaal fans will be pleased with that. He's gonna be my pal, I have no romantic interest in him.
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Post by Crim on Feb 21, 2017 2:25:08 GMT
The consensus we have is that it's probable he is a LI for both and Liam is straight. It would be nice if they were both bi, but probably not. k - damn, I wanted Liam to be bi. I'm sure Cora is. I know everyone can't be bi, and that's not appropriate really. I'd just like one hot male human a male Ryder can date - that's all i'm sayin. I'm sure Cora will be the predictable starting human straight companion tbh. Prove me otherwise Bioware, I'd love that. Vetra seems more likely to be the Bi choice, Sheryl is writing her, I'd be pretty surprised if she wasn't.
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Post by azogthenailfiler on Feb 21, 2017 2:27:10 GMT
Also worth noting that tomorrow (well, it's already the 21st here in the U.K.) is when IGN supposedly release their coverage of the game. So even if no official tweets or stuff (though I'm expecting something from the devs as well) we are assured some new stuff tomorrow *Does the awkward Shepard dance*
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