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Post by sosolaris on Feb 23, 2017 17:02:19 GMT
Backstory spoilers *sighs dreamily*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:02:55 GMT
Alright, just gonna vent about this romance spoiler. Thanks to gaycaravaggio and @ladyconsular for sharing it, but I've got to get my feelings on the matter out there. I'm seriously hoping it's not true, but I've officially dropped my expectations. Not sure what my first playthrough will be anymore, knowing that I apparently can't have an m/m romance on the squad...it's literally something that BioWare has never done, and apparently, something they will never do! Which I find absolutely ridiculous.
I just don't know if I could force myself to play as a female Ryder only to romance Jaal, you know? It feels ridiculous to me that they would pull this AGAIN, after three games in a row having no bi/gay male options on the squad. So if this leak happens to be true, I'm gonna have some words for BioWare, supposed "champion" of LGBT+ content that they claim to be. Alright, rant over. Phew! Hopefully that'll make me feel a bit better about all this. Jade Empire did have a mm squad romance, so BioWare did it before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:03:27 GMT
Yeah total Zenith vibes. No doubt about that. Poor guy is going to get the best friendship from my Sara!
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 23, 2017 17:03:28 GMT
Yeah, exactly. All I'm passing on is an impression someone got from what someone at Bioware told them. Even if that story is legit, it's still pretty much a game of telephone. All I'm saying is it's a good idea to have low expectations. Forget about Andromeda, could your friend hook me up with that sexy new marketing guy at Bioware?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:03:31 GMT
Not going to lie, this is enough to make me want to cancel my preorder. It is heartbreaking to me that we are the only ones who aren't allowed to enjoy a romance with a squadmate. Sorry to hear that. Maybe there will be a fairly easy code access to remove the gender lock. I sort of grew attached to the idea of a MM romance with Jaal as well, so I'd apply the mod if it becomes available. If the game is replayable.... I have a PS4, so I wouldn't be able to mod it. Nor would I. I shouldn't have to "fix" a game, just to be able to enjoy the same stuff as everyone else. Nothing from the devs on Twitter, surprise surprise. I'd be interested to know what BioFan thinks of this, since he has better communication with the developers.
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Post by fialka on Feb 23, 2017 17:03:54 GMT
And as to the new leaks: I really really hope that's not true. My heart literally skipped a beat when people were speculating Jaal might not be available for Sara, so I can sympathize. Just remember stuff can change in development. And there's a different leak in which Jaal and Scott had a romance scene, even if it wasn't explicit. At this point we don't know which is true! This would be a huge nasty mistake on Bioware's part of they chose to not allow an m/m option on the squad (especially since they had already made cinematics for it and everything), so, again, fingers crossed for your guys' sake that this leak just doesn't have the whole picture, and that Bioware has in fact learned from their mistakes. I won't say I'm sorry for you guys yet, not until we have confirmation. Gonna stay optimistic on your guys' behalf! Fingers and toes crossed!
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Post by elanor on Feb 23, 2017 17:04:11 GMT
If there truly is no m/m option in the squad, I am not buying. I will not give BioWare money and encourage this complete lack of care for m/m romances. I seriously hope it's not true and there is a m/m option but if it is then it's just not okay. Yeah, I'm not buying it, at least not at launch. I'll evaluate what options they do gives us. Decide after if I want to buy (Probably some shitty flings and one night stands. And maybe Reyes who I'm not interested in and will probably end up as underdeveloped as Steve.) Come on, are you only buying it for romances? I know it's fun part but fot me it's all about the story and romance part is only addition.
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Post by Mintty on Feb 23, 2017 17:04:33 GMT
His visor is on the wrong eye? Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe it's not him??? Or the video has been flipped- but I can't see a scar either
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:04:53 GMT
And as to the new leaks: I really really hope that's not true. My heart literally skipped a beat when people were speculating Jaal might not be available for Sara, so I can sympathize. Just remember stuff can change in development. And there's a different leak in which Jaal and Scott had a romance scene, even if it wasn't explicit. At this point we don't know which is true! This would be a huge nasty mistake on Bioware's part of they chose to not allow an m/m option on the squad (especially since they had already made cinematics for it and everything), so, again, fingers crossed for your guys' sake that this leak just doesn't have the whole picture, and that Bioware has in fact learned from their mistakes. I won't say I'm sorry for you guys yet, not until we have confirmation. Gonna stay optimistic on your guys' behalf! Fingers and toes crossed! If I had to choose over his friendship only as Sara and making him gay for the male players, I would gladly give up any romance with him.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 23, 2017 17:05:40 GMT
Yeah, exactly. All I'm passing on is an impression someone got from what someone at Bioware told them. Even if that story is legit, it's still pretty much a game of telephone. All I'm saying is it's a good idea to have low expectations. Forget about Andromeda, could your friend hook me up with that sexy new marketing guy at Bioware? I wonder if my friend's source knows him or not. Might be interesting to find out! It's a pretty big company, so I'd be surprised.
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Post by Kymira on Feb 23, 2017 17:06:29 GMT
His visor is on the wrong eye? Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe it's not him??? Maybe he likes to switch it?! To keep us on our toes...to see if we'll notice..?!
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Post by carcinnamon on Feb 23, 2017 17:06:45 GMT
Alright, just gonna vent about this romance spoiler. Thanks to gaycaravaggio and @ladyconsular for sharing it, but I've got to get my feelings on the matter out there. I'm seriously hoping it's not true, but I've officially dropped my expectations. Not sure what my first playthrough will be anymore, knowing that I apparently can't have an m/m romance on the squad...it's literally something that BioWare has never done, and apparently, something they will never do! Which I find absolutely ridiculous.
I just don't know if I could force myself to play as a female Ryder only to romance Jaal, you know? It feels ridiculous to me that they would pull this AGAIN, after three games in a row having no bi/gay male options on the squad. So if this leak happens to be true, I'm gonna have some words for BioWare, supposed "champion" of LGBT+ content that they claim to be. Alright, rant over. Phew! Hopefully that'll make me feel a bit better about all this. Jade Empire did have a mm squad romance, so BioWare did it before. I meant in the Mass Effect series, sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Post by saberchic on Feb 23, 2017 17:06:56 GMT
Indeed. We have this leak here and then contradicting observations (among themselves even) released today from the press. I think people need to be cautious to the "information" that is out there. Everything we know is from a person at BW who is also not sure, so let's just take a breath. Emphasis above mine... Exactly. I think people should hold off on the doom and gloom (aren't there enough depressing things in the world? ). As I mentioned above, even the press is having different interactions with the squaddies. I don't think anybody, whether they know someone or not, can definitely give an answer unless someone like Ian or Aaron says so.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Feb 23, 2017 17:07:12 GMT
Yeah, I'm not buying it, at least not at launch. I'll evaluate what options they do gives us. Decide after if I want to buy (Probably some shitty flings and one night stands. And maybe Reyes who I'm not interested in and will probably end up as underdeveloped as Steve.) Come on, are you only buying it for romances? I know it's fun part but fot me it's all about the story and romance part is only addition. No, I don't buy the games for the romances. But I expected to at least get one companion I can romance. It feels shitty to be the people who get nothing.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Feb 23, 2017 17:07:43 GMT
And as to the new leaks: I really really hope that's not true. My heart literally skipped a beat when people were speculating Jaal might not be available for Sara, so I can sympathize. Just remember stuff can change in development. And there's a different leak in which Jaal and Scott had a romance scene, even if it wasn't explicit. At this point we don't know which is true! This would be a huge nasty mistake on Bioware's part of they chose to not allow an m/m option on the squad (especially since they had already made cinematics for it and everything), so, again, fingers crossed for your guys' sake that this leak just doesn't have the whole picture, and that Bioware has in fact learned from their mistakes. I won't say I'm sorry for you guys yet, not until we have confirmation. Gonna stay optimistic on your guys' behalf! Fingers and toes crossed! I'm hoping this too. My friend admitted there wasn't much info he could gather on the m/m options, mostly on the f/f front. So it's possible that he wasn't getting the full picture, and that's why I'm emphasizing that we don't know anything yet. Nothing is confirmed except some romance options and that Cora can be romanced by Scott.
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Post by Kimberly on Feb 23, 2017 17:07:45 GMT
It would make sense why they didn't want to reveal the romance options and orientation. I hope it's not true and one of the male squad mates is bi.
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Post by eternalgoddess on Feb 23, 2017 17:08:22 GMT
omg would you tell us? no worries if you can't. I'll tell you over PM. I've already been way too chatty about it, tbh. I need more self-restraint. Can you tell me over a pm as well pretty please?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:08:43 GMT
Everything we know is from a person at BW who is also not sure, so let's just take a breath. Emphasis above mine... Exactly. I think people should hold off on the doom and gloom (aren't there enough depressing things in the world? ). As I mentioned above, even the press is having different interactions with the squaddies. I don't think anybody, whether they know someone or not, can definitely give an answer unless someone like Ian or Aaron says so. Also remember both Ryders can flirt with everyone. The guy who got the hug for Sara and Jaal probably had chose a different option that led away from flirting, or they are just that much closer now. And since both Ryders can flirt with everyone, you'll only know if they like you back if the trust is established. No trust no flirt!
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Post by azogthenailfiler on Feb 23, 2017 17:08:52 GMT
I just want everyone to get the love they deserve. We all deserve Jaal.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Feb 23, 2017 17:11:29 GMT
Well, I was right about everything coming out while I was at uni, don't have the willpower to sift through all these pages I love how much this thread explodes from glimpses of Jaal There's summaries every 10 pages thanks to fialka.
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Post by scoundrel on Feb 23, 2017 17:11:35 GMT
Okay so Jaal hitting the door with his rifle is grand, great to see him moving. As for the romance leak I'm happy with it bcus I was hoping Vetra was into girls. And I can understand getting upset at the lack of options but like... Canceling your preorder seems a bit much. I'm excited for the game as a whole so even if Vetra hadn't been available to F/Ryder there's still a whole game for me to enjoy. Maybe it's just because I'm Pan but I tend to want to romance characters based on their personalities rather than which orientation the pairing is :/ Also @ladyconsular I don't blame you for any of the information, and I hope no one is harassing you!
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Post by ash on Feb 23, 2017 17:11:48 GMT
Everything we know is from a person at BW who is also not sure, so let's just take a breath. Emphasis above mine... Exactly. I think people should hold off on the doom and gloom (aren't there enough depressing things in the world? ). As I mentioned above, even the press is having different interactions with the squaddies. I don't think anybody, whether they know someone or not, can definitely give an answer unless someone like Ian or Aaron says so. That's what I said earlier - press was given earlier builds according to Ian, maybe even some different ones. It is actually quite easy to get rid of a romance option in one build and give it to one dep, turn it on for Sara in another and give it to the second dep and then do the same thing with the third one, but giving an option for Sara and Scott. This is actually the easiest way to keep some things secret in a huge company - everybody sees some pieces, but nobody has the full image. One department can see lesbian-only Vetra and somebody even can leak it, but, surprise, their build wasn't "gold verson" and in-game she can be pan, bi and everything that INCLUDES option for Sara, but not limited to it.
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Feb 23, 2017 17:12:40 GMT
I feel so bad guys. I tried to tell you to take all leaks with a grain of salt and not put too much faith in it because things could have changed overtime, but then I was attacked for that and then too upset to say anything and I couldn't because of my promise anyways. I want to say things might have changed, but I don't know. FAKE LEAKS ARE FAKE! Make forums great again! *pulls out a bag of weapons, cocking* Ok... who needs to die, m'Lady?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:13:31 GMT
Sorry to hear that. Maybe there will be a fairly easy code access to remove the gender lock. I sort of grew attached to the idea of a MM romance with Jaal as well, so I'd apply the mod if it becomes available. If the game is replayable.... I have a PS4, so I wouldn't be able to mod it. Nor would I. I shouldn't have to "fix" a game, just to be able to enjoy the same stuff as everyone else. Nothing from the devs on Twitter, surprise surprise. I'd be interested to know what BioFan thinks of this, since he has better communication with the developers. Oh, that's sad that you are not on PC. Mods really help with individual expression in the games imo. After all, BioWare is just a corporation, so it's good to be able to tweak this or that...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:14:48 GMT
Okay so Jaal hitting the door with his rifle is grand, great to see him moving. As for the romance leak I'm happy with it bcus I was hoping Vetra was into girls. And I can understand getting upset at the lack of options but like... Canceling your preorder seems a bit much. I'm excited for the game as a whole so even if Vetra hadn't been available to F/Ryder there's still a whole game for me to enjoy. Maybe it's just because I'm Pan but I tend to want to romance characters based on their personalities rather than which orientation the pairing is :/ Also @ladyconsular I don't blame you for any of the information, and I hope no one is harassing you! It was just one a guy a few nights ago here. He was pretty mean to me. Implied indirectly I was a homophobic and didn't care about my gay and bi friends...
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