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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:07:14 GMT
Randomly popping in to agree on the Asari. I want to like Peebee and Lexi (and Liara more than I do), but I just bristle because I can FEEL how much they wanted me to like them, and apparently I'm more stubborn than I think because that's the quickest way for me to nitpick and DISLIKE something immediately. Also, hi guys! Ya'll move too fast for me to participate (I stealth-browse from work most of the time, my boss is lucky to have someone so dedicated) but I've loved reading along. It's taking ALL my willpower not to ask for the spoiler PM. ALL OF IT. I've been on BSN since DA2's marketing got going, but I've been so good this time. I've never gone into a Bioware game so blind and I'm happy about it... but the struggle is real. Jaal though.. just like Solas, I saw that first screenshot and I KNEW. But he's not a Solas, so no worries there lol And welcome!
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Post by Mintty on Feb 24, 2017 16:07:35 GMT
Nothing but salt lmao sorry not trying to ruin anyone's hype so it's probably better if you don't read it Yeah I actually think about that a lot. They spent 5 years working on this game and it didn't occur to them once that it might actually be a good idea and make the fans happy to include a m/m squadmate romance? I have high hopes for the game in general, in terms of gameplay and the rpg elements and writing. They tried to improve the animations too, it seems. But I'm still skeptical about everything, especially the romance options which are a huge part of the game for me. I'll believe it when I see it. Trust me when I say EA is the cause, not BW. EA don't have as much control over the content as people like to think, time and money- yeah but not the game itself. Besides hasn't BioWare has been a part of EA since 2008? Why would they start having problems with gay romances now?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:08:42 GMT
Trust me when I say EA is the cause, not BW. EA don't have as much control over the content as people like to think, time and money- yeah but not the game itself. Besides hasn't BioWare has been a part of EA since 2008? Why would they start having problems with gay romances now? Times are changing sadly and it's not going forward. My friend who works for a TV station also said things are going back with programming on certain stations. And m/m content can be affected.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Feb 24, 2017 16:08:50 GMT
Trust me when I say EA is the cause, not BW. I really, really want to believe that. But why isn't that the case for Dragon Age games? They had waaay better representation, why would it be such a big deal for Mass Effect? Different fanbase maybe? ME3 at least tried though. Mass Effect is more shooty mcshooterson and spacey, therefore more marketable. I know. But that's how they think.
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Post by ash on Feb 24, 2017 16:09:16 GMT
Do you have some info on that? I'd like a PM in the case. It seems strange to me, given DAO, ME3, DA2 and DAI, that they suddenly have a problem. I don't need to PM. People can read it if they want. Well it took until Sims 4 for them to give us a m/m couple and even then it's almost forbidden to speak of it. If BW broke away from EA, the skies the limit. They are starting to try and focus less on the LGBTQ community and focus on straight males, so BW most likely has their hands tied. M/m couple? I always was able to get 2 male sims together (with wedding and things) since like Sims 2 (don't remember about the Sims tbh, that was way too long ago and it was Maxis) and I'm fairly sure few cities in the Sims 3 had gay couples in them as NPCs. The only innovation of Sims 4 in that matter - allowing transgendered and transsexual characters. Sims series always was VERY ok with gay people. No restrictions anywhere, they even were able to adopt a child since at least 3 too. No mods needed. You sure we played some sort of same Sims games?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:10:46 GMT
I don't need to PM. People can read it if they want. Well it took until Sims 4 for them to give us a m/m couple and even then it's almost forbidden to speak of it. If BW broke away from EA, the skies the limit. They are starting to try and focus less on the LGBTQ community and focus on straight males, so BW most likely has their hands tied. M/m couple? I always was able to get 2 male sims together (with wedding and things) since like Sims 2 (don't remember about the Sims tbh, that was way too long ago and it was Maxis) and I'm fairly sure few cities in the Sims 3 had gay couples in them as NPCs. The only innovation of Sims 4 in that matter - allowing transgendered and transsexual characters. Sims series always was VERY ok with gay people. No restrictions anywhere, they even were able to adopt a child since at least 3 too. No mods needed. You sure we played some sort of same Sims games? No the one they made themselves. People bugged for that for ages. Everything else was random populations. These guys have a story and everything.
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Post by Mintty on Feb 24, 2017 16:11:16 GMT
EA don't have as much control over the content as people like to think, time and money- yeah but not the game itself. Besides hasn't BioWare has been a part of EA since 2008? Why would they start having problems with gay romances now? Times are changing sadly and it's not going forward. My friend who works for a TV station also said things are going back with programming on certain stations. Okay so maybe they would start having a problem now but as I said they don't have that much control so I highly doubt EA has anything to do with it, if indeed there is a lack of M/M content.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:13:23 GMT
Times are changing sadly and it's not going forward. My friend who works for a TV station also said things are going back with programming on certain stations. Okay so maybe they would start having a problem now but as I said they don't have that much control so I highly doubt EA has anything to do with it, if indeed there is a lack of M/M content. Maybe but we'll see. This is not the first time EA has messed up other people's stuff and focused on the money, and the money comes mostly from straight male gamers. That's why lesbians are fine. They are hot to straight males. Two guys getting it on? Not so much.
But enough about that. Just saying give BW a break. Let's see what happens in the next few years and hope for the best.
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Post by fialka on Feb 24, 2017 16:14:13 GMT
Trust me when I say EA is the cause, not BW. I really, really want to believe that. But why isn't that the case for Dragon Age games? They had waaay better representation, why would be such a big deal for Mass Effect? Different fanbase maybe? ME3 at least tried though. Spoilered because it's a bit off topic, concerning EA and gay male squad romances: Different fanbase, definitely. Don't quote me on this, but I think when the final numbers were released, something like twice as many people play female characters in Dragon Age than Mass Effect? And it's generally been marketed that way too, and the writers have approached it differently as well. Remember David Gaider, who is gay himself (if a bit old school in his thinking on LGBT stuff), was the lead writer for Dragon Age. And they've always had a better mix of male and female writers, at least compared to ME1 and 2. But... A lot of those Dragon Age writers have worked on MEA, which is why we expected better. Also, ME3 was a step forward (both in finally giving male Shepard s/s options, and having explicitly LG characters, and in having more female writers in general - who seem more comfortable creating m/m romances than straight male writers seem to be). So I'm not sure why EA would put the breaks on this sort of thing now. But... they have been trying to market this one pretty hard to new audiences, and younger audiences, so... who knows? And unfortunately, backlash about Kaidan 'suddenly becoming' bi and the supposed retcon involved might be a factor too.. To be clear, I don't agree with that sentiment, but it could be something EA actually payed attention to, and felt it applied to having a bi male squadmate.
Of course, this is all speculation on my part - hopefully we're all wrong and Jaal (or even Liam) will turn out to be bi after all.
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Post by nikkuhlee on Feb 24, 2017 16:14:29 GMT
Randomly popping in to agree on the Asari. I want to like Peebee and Lexi (and Liara more than I do), but I just bristle because I can FEEL how much they wanted me to like them, and apparently I'm more stubborn than I think because that's the quickest way for me to nitpick and DISLIKE something immediately. Also, hi guys! Ya'll move too fast for me to participate (I stealth-browse from work most of the time, my boss is lucky to have someone so dedicated) but I've loved reading along. It's taking ALL my willpower not to ask for the spoiler PM. ALL OF IT. I've been on BSN since DA2's marketing got going, but I've been so good this time. I've never gone into a Bioware game so blind and I'm happy about it... but the struggle is real. Jaal though.. just like Solas, I saw that first screenshot and I KNEW. But he's not a Solas, so no worries there lol And welcome! Thanks!! and thanks for all the tidbits I AM willing to read here. They're keeping me strong, haha.
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Post by Marinade Plushie on Feb 24, 2017 16:14:38 GMT
Yesssss! She's been indoctrinated!😂 Big kudos to you @beautesombre ! Thank you so much for all the information you've given us. *huggles huggles huggles huggles* Yeah Jaal won my heart. I tried to stay cool, but there's only so much a hot-blooded woman can take. I feel ya! When I initially started out looking at romances, I was all for Liam, but then I saw Jaal, and was like, "Liam who?" Lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:17:15 GMT
Yeah Jaal won my heart. I tried to stay cool, but there's only so much a hot-blooded woman can take. I feel ya! When I initially started out looking at romances, I was all for Liam, but then I saw Jaal, and was like, "Liam who?" Lol Yeah Jaal is just perfect like Ryan said haha fialka you are on to something sadly. I've talked to others, dug a bit deeper into people's thoughts and yeah, they are aiming for a new audience, just like that horrible Sims 4 commercial that annoyed old Simmers.
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Post by Salty Drell on Feb 24, 2017 16:17:23 GMT
I've been away from the thread all day, thanks for the birthday messages. 😃
Did I miss anything important while I was gone?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:18:35 GMT
I've been away from the thread all day, thanks for the birthday messages. 😃 Did I miss anything important while I was gone? Just a vid with a guy talking about Jaal's reaction to Sara flirting. bsn.boards.net/post/319073/thread
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Post by carcinnamon on Feb 24, 2017 16:20:03 GMT
I'm glad the Jaal thread is back to its lovely, tranquil calm. I don't really like trudging through pages full of internet conflict, haha. Last time I posted in here, I was a little frustrated. But I'm feeling a lot better about everything now. Maybe it's just me having the opportunity to sleep on it, how supportive this thread has been toward everyone throughout all the highs and lows of yesterday's news, or my subconscious pushing me to avoid turning into Bitter McBitterson...whatever it is, though, I think I've gotten into a better mindset. I'm putting everything else under spoiler tag, because potential romance spoilers, and I don't want to drag up old wounds unnecessarily. I know I said that I wasn't sure I would play a female Ryder just to romance Jaal, but I think that was just the shock talking. Jaal might not turn out to be what I was hoping he would be, but from what I'm hearing, his character is really too compelling for me to give up on. It's not ideal, it's not exactly what I wanted, but I'm grateful that I can accept what's being given to me. I respect that people are (understandably) frustrated, and I support their right to express that. I'm just hoping they don't go too far down that pit of anger and despair - it can be very difficult to escape from, and I don't want to lose anyone else on this thread to it. Least of all myself. The Jaal thread deserves better than to turn into a toxic discourse wasteland.
That's not to say that my opinion has changed, though. There's no reason to NOT have at least one m/m squadmate romance, let alone an alien one. I might be wrong, but didn't the OG BSN have, like, a super huge thread about people wanting a gay alien romance? It'll be highly suspect if BioWare gives an alien romance to every orientation EXCEPT m/m. Ah, Jaal, I just can't quit you! I guess I felt like I owed it to this thread to post that. You've all been so lovely and thoughtful through everything, I wanted to share how grateful I am for everyone being positive and welcoming! Thanks you guys, you've made this the most enjoyable wait for a BioWare game thus far
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:23:53 GMT
I'm glad the Jaal thread is back to its lovely, tranquil calm. I don't really like trudging through pages full of internet conflict, haha. Last time I posted in here, I was a little frustrated. But I'm feeling a lot better about everything now. Maybe it's just me having the opportunity to sleep on it, how supportive this thread has been toward everyone throughout all the highs and lows of yesterday's news, or my subconscious pushing me to avoid turning into Bitter McBitterson...whatever it is, though, I think I've gotten into a better mindset. I'm putting everything else under spoiler tag, because potential romance spoilers, and I don't want to drag up old wounds unnecessarily. I know I said that I wasn't sure I would play a female Ryder just to romance Jaal, but I think that was just the shock talking. Jaal might not turn out to be what I was hoping he would be, but from what I'm hearing, his character is really too compelling for me to give up on. It's not ideal, it's not exactly what I wanted, but I'm grateful that I can accept what's being given to me. I respect that people are (understandably) frustrated, and I support their right to express that. I'm just hoping they don't go too far down that pit of anger and despair - it can be very difficult to escape from, and I don't want to lose anyone else on this thread to it. Least of all myself. The Jaal thread deserves better than to turn into a toxic discourse wasteland.
That's not to say that my opinion has changed, though. There's no reason to NOT have at least one m/m squadmate romance, let alone an alien one. I might be wrong, but didn't the OG BSN have, like, a super huge thread about people wanting a gay alien romance? It'll be highly suspect if BioWare gives an alien romance to every orientation EXCEPT m/m. Ah, Jaal, I just can't quit you! I guess I felt like I owed it to this thread to post that. You've all been so lovely and thoughtful through everything, I wanted to share how grateful I am for everyone being positive and welcoming! Thanks you guys, you've made this the most enjoyable wait for a BioWare game thus far Hey we're all a big, messed up, crazy and dysfunctional family! Of course we're here for you!
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Post by fialka on Feb 24, 2017 16:24:01 GMT
From the twitter thread - just a neat little gameplay mechanic regarding our relationships with the squad. Not an approval system, but, something similar. Not really a spoiler, but it came from a post-embargo article, so tagged just to be safe: "There is a whole section of the menu dedicated to your crew and detailing your relationship with each one, allowing you to keep track of where you stand. To demand a section of the menu means that relationships are a huge focus in Andromeda." sourcePretty cool stuff!
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Post by ash on Feb 24, 2017 16:24:30 GMT
M/m couple? I always was able to get 2 male sims together (with wedding and things) since like Sims 2 (don't remember about the Sims tbh, that was way too long ago and it was Maxis) and I'm fairly sure few cities in the Sims 3 had gay couples in them as NPCs. The only innovation of Sims 4 in that matter - allowing transgendered and transsexual characters. Sims series always was VERY ok with gay people. No restrictions anywhere, they even were able to adopt a child since at least 3 too. No mods needed. You sure we played some sort of same Sims games? No the one they made themselves. People bugged for that for ages. Everything else was random populations. These guys have a story and everything. Every family had a "story" written since the Sims, in their bio box. Even gay ones. "Marketed stories" are, of course, given way more exposure, but I personally can only remember some guy with 2 chicks and Bella's story. And while first one was typical hetero-story about some rich party guy, second one was more about a mystery of some sort and actually was nice as long as they did it until Sims 3. Just in my opinion, as a gay person, I don't give a flying... whatever... about marketing stories as long as I can have a freedom of some sort in a game itself and Sims always was nice in that matter, even being under EA control.
Don't see why it would be up to them to "no, don't make him bi/gay/pan/all-loving living toaster". Even if it's company politics, it would be more of "don't make official vid of his romance with Scott" and that's all. Dorian and Bull were just fine in game, both being squadmates, I honestly can't see EA, even if it's seen as all-around evil, interrupting dev process only to put that one thing in and be like "no gays allowed, we know DAI was fine, but now - nope".
From my devdays the only thing publisher got to say was an amount of info we're allowed to spoil and overall game directions (and a release date, ofc, almost forgot). We were allowed to do whatever we want with our characters, even sneaking some phrases that implied, that character is gay (no romances, tho - game wasn't having that as an option), they weren't caring enough. And this was happening in Russia, which goes apeshit about gays. So if Jaal IS straight - this will be Bioware's fault, pretty sure.
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Post by chococri on Feb 24, 2017 16:24:36 GMT
Yeah Jaal won my heart. I tried to stay cool, but there's only so much a hot-blooded woman can take. I feel ya! When I initially started out looking at romances, I was all for Liam, but then I saw Jaal, and was like, "Liam who?" Lol Basically me as well lmao I think Jaal will be the most interesting character so far.
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Happy B-Day Salty Drell ! Yeap... I had another excuse to draw Jaal for today... Jaal's just chilling. Awesome.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 24, 2017 16:26:10 GMT
I really, really want to believe that. But why isn't that the case for Dragon Age games? They had waaay better representation, why would be such a big deal for Mass Effect? Different fanbase maybe? ME3 at least tried though. Spoilered because it's a bit off topic, concerning EA and gay male squad romances: Different fanbase, definitely. Don't quote me on this, but I think when the final numbers were released, something like twice as many people play female characters in Dragon Age than Mass Effect? What exactly number of female characters and female players has to do with decisions on gay male romances? Sure some women play it but it's minority, just like guys playing FemSheps and going for lesbian romances. Statistically, with heavily male-dominated franchise you would also have much increased number of gay & bi men playing which actually should result in even higher focus on male/male romances than Dragon Age lol, not the opposite
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:27:32 GMT
No the one they made themselves. People bugged for that for ages. Everything else was random populations. These guys have a story and everything. Every family had a "story" written since the Sims, in their bio box. Even gay ones. "Marketed stories" are, of course, given way more exposure, but I personally can only remember some guy with 2 chicks and Bella's story. And while first one was typical hetero-story about some rich party guy, second one was more about a mystery of some sort and actually was nice as long as they did it until Sims 3. Just in my opinion, as a gay person, I don't give a flying... whatever... about marketing stories as long as I can have a freedom of some sort in a game itself and Sims always was nice in that matter, even being under EA control.
Don't see why it would be up to them to "no, don't make him bi/gay/pan/all-loving living toaster". Even if it's company politics, it would be more of "don't make official vid of his romance with Scott" and that's all. Dorian and Bull were just fine in game, both being squadmates, I honestly can't see EA, even if it's seen as all-around evil, interrupting dev process only to put that one thing in and be like "no gays allowed, we know DAI was fine, but now - nope".
From my devdays the only thing publisher got to say was an amount of info we're allowed to spoil and overall game directions. We were allowed to do whatever we want with our characters, even sneaking some phrases that implied, that character is gay (no romances, tho - game wasn't having that as an option), they weren't caring enough. And this was happening in Russia, which goes apeshit about gays. So if Jaal IS straight - this will be Bioware's fault, pretty sure. We agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:28:26 GMT
From the twitter thread - just a neat little gameplay mechanic regarding our relationships with the squad. Not an approval system, but, something similar. Not really a spoiler, but it came from a post-embargo article, so tagged just to be safe: "There is a whole section of the menu dedicated to your crew and detailing your relationship with each one, allowing you to keep track of where you stand. To demand a section of the menu means that relationships are a huge focus in Andromeda." sourcePretty cool stuff! Haha sounds like Sims 4, but more detailed!
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Post by Marinade Plushie on Feb 24, 2017 16:29:32 GMT
From the twitter thread - just a neat little gameplay mechanic regarding our relationships with the squad. Not an approval system, but, something similar. Not really a spoiler, but it came from a post-embargo article, so tagged just to be safe: "There is a whole section of the menu dedicated to your crew and detailing your relationship with each one, allowing you to keep track of where you stand. To demand a section of the menu means that relationships are a huge focus in Andromeda." sourcePretty cool stuff! Oooohhhh, this is awesome! Thanks fialka! Gives me a little less stress!😊
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Post by feainn on Feb 24, 2017 16:31:05 GMT
From the twitter thread - just a neat little gameplay mechanic regarding our relationships with the squad. Not an approval system, but, something similar. Not really a spoiler, but it came from a post-embargo article, so tagged just to be safe: "There is a whole section of the menu dedicated to your crew and detailing your relationship with each one, allowing you to keep track of where you stand. To demand a section of the menu means that relationships are a huge focus in Andromeda." sourcePretty cool stuff! That's actually really cool. I always worry where my stance with companions are. Fenris was the WORST I had to keep him happy until I maxed out his friendship/locked his romance then I was like "MAGE RIGHTS!!!"
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