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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 23:26:11 GMT
Exactly! I'm pretty sure everyone here is not taking the leaks and rumors to heart. I focus more on the devs hints, hence my uneasiness regrading Jaal. Well tbh I am taking them pretty to heart; I mean I wouldn't be here if I thought... Scott wouldn't be able to romance Jaal. I stopped going to the Liam thread when it became apparent I probably wouldn't be able to romance him. When your choices are always super limited in these games you tend to grab at any shred of hope thrown your way. Oh I doubt that's a rumor but the nude stuff is what I meant. The devs didn't hide we could "bang" an Angaran.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 23:28:16 GMT
And Mike Gamble said a while back in a tweet that both men and women can have alien smoochies. As to whether that includes m/m alien smoochies remains to be seen
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Feb 1, 2017 23:33:46 GMT
Exactly! I'm pretty sure everyone here is not taking the leaks and rumors to heart. I focus more on the devs hints, hence my uneasiness regrading Jaal. Well tbh I am taking them pretty to heart; I mean I wouldn't be here if I thought... Scott wouldn't be able to romance Jaal. I stopped going to the Liam thread when it became apparent I probably wouldn't be able to romance him. When your choices are always super limited in these games you tend to grab at any shred of hope thrown your way. Artemis, you know I'm rooting for you bby! -hugs- Jaal for BI! I honestly was all for all companions bi because the. No one would be disappointed, but I know that's unpopular and probably never going to happen again so -shrugs- It's not that I don't also like the diversity/ representation. I love it... but I don't like when people have sads over who they can romance and not. I personally can play the games with out romances and don't 'need' them, but I know people who really do need them and really look forward to if. I care about those people and I hate seeing them disappointed D;
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Post by Psychedelic on Feb 1, 2017 23:45:56 GMT
I have my doubts that Jaal will be available for a gay romance. While any kind of sexual content alone might anger some people (not many, but still), depicting any same sex relationships frequently causes a vocal minority to throw their SJW/leftist/whatever tantrum. Add to that the fact that he is not even a human it might just be one too many, especially in regions that have... views on the whole topic. Happened to ME1 in Singapore beause of Liara's possible f/f romance, and m/m relations usually get even more backlash. I really hope Bioware doesn't care too much about that, but if marketing thinks they could sell more copies if they cut too problematic content...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 23:46:43 GMT
Yeah I'm the same, which is why I'd love it for everyone to get an equal balance of squadmate, crewmember, and NPC love interest options. Alas, seems the odds are against that at the moment Cause you know, it'd be lovely that in the future, instead of people being upset at a character they couldn't romance, or unable to join a discussion on the romance because they were gender exclusive, it'd be nice that we could instead all just be able to enjoy and discuss the romance with one another, and share in the different emotions we got from it and were evoked by.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 23:48:24 GMT
I have my doubts that Jaal will be available for a gay romance. While any kind of sexual content alone might anger some people (not many, but still), depicting any same sex relationships frequently causes a vocal minority to throw their SJW/leftist/whatever tantrum. Add to that the fact that he is not even a human it might just be one too many, especially in regions that have... views on the whole topic. Happened to ME1 in Singapore beause of Liara's possible f/f romance, and m/m relations usually get even more backlash. I really hope Bioware doesn't care too much about that, but if marketing thinks they could sell more copies if they cut too problematic content... I'd be beyond upset and disappointed if this were true
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2017 23:52:07 GMT
I do think there's chances romances will be equal considering the squad and crew. I don't think the number will be equal considering the other ones. But based on what they said for a while, their goal isn't to create an equal number, but give everyone multiple options. I'm more baffled by the possibility fade to black scenes for m/m romance paths. If seems a bit weird comparing to what appears to happen in the other romances.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 2, 2017 0:00:08 GMT
Yeah I'm the same, which is why I'd love it for everyone to get an equal balance of squadmate, crewmember, and NPC love interest options. Alas, seems the odds are against that at the moment Cause you know, it'd be lovely that in the future, instead of people being upset at a character they couldn't romance, or unable to join a discussion on the romance because they were gender exclusive, it'd be nice that we could instead all just be able to enjoy and discuss the romance with one another, and share in the different emotions we got from it and were evoked by.Gosh, 1000%. It's always left me feeling alienated and really sad/lonely that I can't join in on discussions about romancing Alistair, Cullen, or Solas. I really, really love those three characters, and one of them I've romanced several times with my modded character (the other two have also romanced, just once though); but it's kind of embarrassing for some reason to try to jump into a conversation where my character canonically doesn't belong, no matter how kind and welcoming people in the community have been (and they really have been).
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Post by Artemis on Feb 2, 2017 0:02:39 GMT
I have my doubts that Jaal will be available for a gay romance. While any kind of sexual content alone might anger some people (not many, but still), depicting any same sex relationships frequently causes a vocal minority to throw their SJW/leftist/whatever tantrum. Add to that the fact that he is not even a human it might just be one too many, especially in regions that have... views on the whole topic. Happened to ME1 in Singapore beause of Liara's possible f/f romance, and m/m relations usually get even more backlash. I really hope Bioware doesn't care too much about that, but if marketing thinks they could sell more copies if they cut too problematic content... I'd be beyond upset and disappointed if this were true Ehh I doubt they care about those hateful minority fans; Kaidan, Cortez, and Sam are proof of this, plus the prominence of Liara... as for Dragon Age, Dorian, Bull, Sera, I mean come on, BioWare, excepting BioWare Austin, have no issue including gay characters and romances. Now seeing as how writers are flawed people because they are, you know, people, they don't always get the romances "right" or fair. But I love BioWare for being so stubborn about this and not caving. The majority of the world (at least the most educated countries) are a-okay with LGBT.
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Post by javeart on Feb 2, 2017 0:02:45 GMT
Well tbh I am taking them pretty to heart; I mean I wouldn't be here if I thought... Scott wouldn't be able to romance Jaal. I stopped going to the Liam thread when it became apparent I probably wouldn't be able to romance him. When your choices are always super limited in these games you tend to grab at any shred of hope thrown your way. Artemis, you know I'm rooting for you bby! -hugs- Jaal for BI! I honestly was all for all companions bi because the. No one would be disappointed, but I know that's unpopular and probably never going to happen again so -shrugs- It's not that I don't also like the diversity/ representation. I love it... but I don't like when people have sads over who they can romance and not. I personally can play the games with out romances and don't 'need' them, but I know people who really do need them and really look forward to if. I care about those people and I hate seeing them disappointed D; I'm in the minority that liked the all LI's being bi approach too and, yes, it's a lost battle... But the thing is that it doesn't even mean less representation per se, there's a lot of room still for gay and lesbian characters, I just' don't see what's wrong with that and in fact it seems there's a lot of gay guys and lesbians that like the system... Romances are in itself a lot about pleasing us, after all, why is such a big stretch going a little further and making them bi so we're all equally pleased? I mean, right now, we would all be so much happier, no? Just worring about who are we going to romance first, Jaal? Vetra? Cora? Liam? PeeBee? Reyes? It would be so much fun I really gave up on this time ago, but from time to time I can help to complain about it a little
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Post by Artemis on Feb 2, 2017 0:03:37 GMT
I do think there's chances romances will be equal considering the squad and crew. I don't think the number will be equal considering the other ones. But based on what they said for a while, their goal isn't to create an equal number, but give everyone multiple options. I'm more baffled by the possibility fade to black scenes for m/m romance paths. If seems a bit weird comparing to what appears to happen in the other romances. I agree; I don't understand this, especially considering how much was shown in the m/m romances in DAI.
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Post by franklydeer on Feb 2, 2017 0:04:38 GMT
If that voice in the trailer really is his, it's definitely not how I imagined it! Funnily enough, I was listening to his voice actor's reels and that is pretty much in the ballpark of what I had in mind. So basically, just pre-editing if those clips are his. Not that I'm complaining. I saw a picture of Fenris before playing the game and when he spoke it caught me off guard. Not in a bad way, just not what I was envisioning Same with Iron Bull, now that I think about it. (Also, maybe the discussions above should be continued in the romance spoiler thread? I don't want to be a spoil-sport or minimod, and I love you guys and love hearing your speculations/comforting your worries, but it has been mentioned in a stickied post that things coming from leaks should only be discussed in threads marked with *'s by mods. Don't want to ruin fun either for those trying to avoid them. )And now I sound like a spoilsport. Ughhh
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Post by Artemis on Feb 2, 2017 0:06:17 GMT
Artemis, you know I'm rooting for you bby! -hugs- Jaal for BI! I honestly was all for all companions bi because the. No one would be disappointed, but I know that's unpopular and probably never going to happen again so -shrugs- It's not that I don't also like the diversity/ representation. I love it... but I don't like when people have sads over who they can romance and not. I personally can play the games with out romances and don't 'need' them, but I know people who really do need them and really look forward to if. I care about those people and I hate seeing them disappointed D; I'm in the minority that liked the all LI's being bi approach too and, yes, it's a lost battle... But the thing is that the it doesn't even mean less representation per se, there's a lot of room still for gay and lesbian characters, I just' don't see what's woring with that and in fact it seems there's a lot of gay guys and lesbians that like the system... Romances are in itself a lot about pleasing us, after all, why is such a big stretch going a little further and making them bi so we're all equally pleased? I mean, right now, we would all be so much happier, no? Just worring about who are we going to romance first, Jaal? Vetra? Cora? Liam? PeeBee? Reyes? It would be so much fun I really gave up on this time ago, but from time to time I can help to complain about it a little Okay, my opinion on this? Were it not for Anders hitting on a few scared hetero boys there never would've been an issue with the "all bi" way of doing things. But those scared little triggered snowflakes put up such a fuss it completely changed BW's way of approaching romances.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 2, 2017 0:08:39 GMT
(Also, maybe the discussions above should be continued in the romance spoiler thread? I don't want to be a spoil-sport or minimod, and I love you guys and love hearing your speculations/comforting your worries, but it has been mentioned in a stickied post that things coming from leaks should only be discussed in threads marked with *'s by mods. Don't want to ruin fun either for those trying to avoid them. )And now I sound like a spoilsport. Ughhh That is fair It's just at this point people of course want to talk about possibly romancing him, and... you know actually I can't remember what's confirmed and what isn't?? Is it confirmed that Jaal is even a companion? That is a potential romance?
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 2, 2017 0:12:27 GMT
I'm in the minority that liked the all LI's being bi approach too and, yes, it's a lost battle... But the thing is that the it doesn't even mean less representation per se, there's a lot of room still for gay and lesbian characters, I just' don't see what's woring with that and in fact it seems there's a lot of gay guys and lesbians that like the system... Romances are in itself a lot about pleasing us, after all, why is such a big stretch going a little further and making them bi so we're all equally pleased? I mean, right now, we would all be so much happier, no? Just worring about who are we going to romance first, Jaal? Vetra? Cora? Liam? PeeBee? Reyes? It would be so much fun I really gave up on this time ago, but from time to time I can help to complain about it a little Okay, my opinion on this? Were it not for Anders hitting on a few scared hetero boys there never would've been an issue with the "all bi" way of doing things. But those scared little triggered snowflakes put up such a fuss it completely changed BW's way of approaching romances. Fair enough, though I disagree on this. Complaints came already when they revealed the all bi approach, and not all the ones complaining later where guys. While some might've been 'scared' by Anders (which I don't think makes much sense since we already got Zevran), I do think that some just didn't like the all bi approach. Gaider later on stated the reason behind it was to give everyone options, with the budget they had. Otherwise they wouldn't have put Sebastian as a straight options and picked two guys for additional romances in DAI. Beside, the teams had different views on many things, romances included, so even if DA would've continued that way, there's no certainly ME would've followed it.
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Post by Pon.ee on Feb 2, 2017 0:13:46 GMT
(Also, maybe the discussions above should be continued in the romance spoiler thread? I don't want to be a spoil-sport or minimod, and I love you guys and love hearing your speculations/comforting your worries, but it has been mentioned in a stickied post that things coming from leaks should only be discussed in threads marked with *'s by mods. Don't want to ruin fun either for those trying to avoid them. )And now I sound like a spoilsport. Ughhh That is fair It's just at this point people of course want to talk about possibly romancing him, and... you know actually I can't remember what's confirmed and what isn't?? Is it confirmed that Jaal is even a companion? That is a potential romance? Neither of those things are technically confirmed. I follow the Twitter thread like an absolute stalker and there have only been hints. *Looks pointedly at spoiler rules* I'm with franklydeer, I give a damn.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 2, 2017 0:18:41 GMT
That leaves us with very little to talk about... not surprising, considering this is a character we've only seen for 5 seconds
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Post by Crim on Feb 2, 2017 0:21:06 GMT
So, what do you think the Angarans will be like?
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Post by franklydeer on Feb 2, 2017 0:22:49 GMT
(Also, maybe the discussions above should be continued in the romance spoiler thread? I don't want to be a spoil-sport or minimod, and I love you guys and love hearing your speculations/comforting your worries, but it has been mentioned in a stickied post that things coming from leaks should only be discussed in threads marked with *'s by mods. Don't want to ruin fun either for those trying to avoid them. )And now I sound like a spoilsport. Ughhh That is fair It's just at this point people of course want to talk about possibly romancing him, and... you know actually I can't remember what's confirmed and what isn't?? Is it confirmed that Jaal is even a companion? That is a potential romance? I totally get it! I love me a good romance chat, just hopefully keepin' it fun for everyone. lol, I follow both threads so it is kind of jumbled for me too. What we know, mainly from tweets, is that he's maybe a squadmate (? Actually, not sure on that one I think it's just speculated), his voice actor, and the possibility of a romance. The last one comes from a tweet where someone asked if they could "kiss them" (and later someone asked if they could bang them), both to which the answer was yep. Though whether "them" was specifically Jaal or just Angarans was kind of unclear. Edit: Ninja'd
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 2, 2017 0:23:51 GMT
I'm in the minority that liked the all LI's being bi approach too and, yes, it's a lost battle... But the thing is that the it doesn't even mean less representation per se, there's a lot of room still for gay and lesbian characters, I just' don't see what's woring with that and in fact it seems there's a lot of gay guys and lesbians that like the system... Romances are in itself a lot about pleasing us, after all, why is such a big stretch going a little further and making them bi so we're all equally pleased? I mean, right now, we would all be so much happier, no? Just worring about who are we going to romance first, Jaal? Vetra? Cora? Liam? PeeBee? Reyes? It would be so much fun I really gave up on this time ago, but from time to time I can help to complain about it a little Okay, my opinion on this? Were it not for Anders hitting on a few scared hetero boys there never would've been an issue with the "all bi" way of doing things. But those scared little triggered snowflakes put up such a fuss it completely changed BW's way of approaching romances. Mmm... I'm in the group of people that liked it when everyone was bi too, but I don't think Anders contributed to that particular change in strategy. I think Anders was more responsible for BioWare making sure that any romance has to be initiated by the player before the companion/NPC will start acting flirtatious. This is why we don't get characters that try and hit on us. The bi thing came more from just general complaints, and perhaps some parallel thinking from their own writers, that everyone being bi just wasn't "realistic". That it took away from a character's individuality. Which... they're not exactly wrong. But from my perspective I just didn't care. Both series already cross so many lines of realism that the sexuality thing doesn't seem a big deal to me. It's worth suspending disbelief in that area if more people get to play out the stories they want.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Feb 2, 2017 0:37:34 GMT
Pretty sure his squadmate status and smoochies were confirmed, but I'm not sure where the tweets are buried at this point.
Are we even talking about spoilers? I've seen a lot of speculations and guessing and hopes. And this laptop took it upon itself to post my post in the middle of my typing. *growl*
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Post by Rynnju on Feb 2, 2017 0:59:26 GMT
The way devs and VAs have talked about him, the trailer emphasis and unique design, the knowledge that we will have at least one Andromeda squaddie, and the Funko Pop all add up to what is pretty much a squadmate confirmation. Notice how nobody bats an eye when people ask questions about Jaal that clearly assume he's a squaddie.
Romance may be less clear, but I'm still pretty solid on that too. The idea that we can "bang" and kiss the Angara but not the important, detailed, pretty one on our squad with clear visual callbacks to Garrus, a hugely popular romance, seems silly. Plus the devs seemed coy and aware of what they were doing when people on Twitter called them out on Jaal. I think they'd be a bit more shut down-y if Jaal wasn't an option.
As for the idea that we have nothing to speculate on, so what? Maybe it's because I was in the Solas thread when we only had one picture of him that I'm entirely immune to the silliness of pages and pages of discussion on a character we knew nothing about. And hey, he turned out to be one of the most important characters in the Dragon Age universe so far! Looks to me that Jaal will be pretty important too. By necessity, really. After all, if he's a squadmate, he'll likely be a big introduction to a whole new culture and maybe even a guide of sorts through his galaxy. If there's any character we have reason to be so hyped over, it's Jaal.
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Post by franklydeer on Feb 2, 2017 1:21:46 GMT
Romance may be less clear, but I'm still pretty solid on that too. The idea that we can bang and kiss the Angara but not the detailed, pretty one on our squad with clear visual callbacks to Garrus, a hugely popular romance, seems silly. Plus the devs seemed coy and aware of what they were doing when people on Twitter called them out on Jaal. I think they'd be a bit more shut down-y if Jaal wasn't an option. Plus the tweet about his butt... But I agree, I think it's basically been confirmed without outright being stated that he is a team member and smooch-able. (Which is lovely news on both accounts.) Can I just say that I love his jewelry/equivalent of an earring? I love the personal touches like that, and I'm a sucker for guys with earrings. (I don't know why, it just gets to me.) *Unless of course it is just a part of his headpiece, in which case I still find it pretty swell.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Feb 2, 2017 1:29:32 GMT
We have tons to speculate about, because we hardly know anything. The subjects are endless...like, I wonder what his feet look like? Is there any cultural significance to the female's headpieces or his earrings or are they just decoration?
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