Jaal Ama Darav (Official Thread)

It's honestly astounding to me that nobody at Bioware (well, nobody with any say in the decision-making process) looked at Jill's character and went "Hey, this is fucking awful.", especially considering how much more effort they put into LGBT representation compared to the original trilogy.

You don't think Ash got a better romance with male Shepard than Kaidan? Fact is, BioWare doesn't seem to know how to pull this off. I'll give them credit for the attempt but not for research.

Yes, Jill was terrible. However, given that humanity is nowhere on the verge of extinction, Gil's DUTY as a man (or human being) is to help in the fight against the kett. If Gil and his future partner (be it Ryder or someone else) decide to eventually have a child, that's their business not hers.

No no, it totally makes sense for her to be running around 'boosting the batter' with a ton of people still in cryo.  :dumb:

I think it was passed because that is a controversial issue in real life when discussing hypothetical space colonization, the issue being would LGBT+ people be forced to help in reproduction or be barred from applying to be a part of space colonization, so they wanted to address that in their game about space colonization. I agree they did a bad job at it and it shouldn't have been part of Gil's character and romance, perhaps instead have some side characters address it in a small conversation or quest or something if they wanted to address that issue, but I think that's why they kept it in. And yeah if they were going to talk about it, it should have been in the sequel after the colonies are established and people are awake so thinking about future generations would be happening where in MEA that is a concern but not an immediate one, though considering we may not get another game in Andromeda maybe they didn't want to risk waiting only for the next game to never come thus they never address that issue. 

Oh, I agree with you. I'm not agreeing with that, just it is something that is discussed in these hypothetical situations due to factors like the limited number of seats on the ships. These discussions also discuss things like whether people who either have or are carriers of certain genetic disorders should be allowed to participate. Thus why Bioware may have wanted to address that issue in their game about space travel and colonization. I'm just trying to think of why Bioware included the Jill storyline and attached it to Gil, and that came to mind. Though between like you said things like in vitro fertilization, how fast genetic manipulation is advancing, as well as the fact that the Hyperion has 100,000 people instead of the numbers usually talked about in those discussions, like 160, then it falls flat on its face. 

And a couple fleeing the Nexus due to pregnancy

If I recall correctly, you aren't forced into becoming a parent in Gil's romance but can choose whether you want to be or not. 

Jill saying Gil is making her job harder by being gay is very offensive to many people-not just gay men but anyone who doesn't want or can't have kids. If you don't understand that-so be it. However, it is a legitimate issue.

I wish the Gil's romance would have been given half as much love as the Jaal one was. As it stands Jaal's romance is the only viable option for me personally. Reyes was close though, but it just doesn't feel like a full romance.

I didn't watch the video but I did look at the title.  I always headcanon that FutureTech has a way of allowing two men or two women to have children that are both biologically the parents.  Some kind of genetic manipulation to combine their genes and, bam, a child is born!  You can do this in TS4 so I figure why not in the future?  Hence, Gil and Scott wouldn't need Jill's eggs to have children.  Anyway, that's my story for Kaidan and Shep so no reason it can't be the case of Scott and Gil.

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