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Post by Catilina on Feb 24, 2017 13:45:51 GMT
Kaidan didn't come on strong. Anyone with half a brain cell still functioning can see that watching all his scenes. Problem for homophobe morons (I'm sure this is not your case though) is that any guy hitting on them triggers their innate hysteria and pavlovian conditioning (gay guy > must react with: hysterical eww - the more theatrical the better the other monkeys will praise you). It's funny how you underline exactly this by comparing your reaction to Ashley, a female flirting with you, to your reaction to Kaidan, a male flirting with you. The hypocrisy and double standard these people have the audacity to parade as "normal" is outstanding. Look at the way Steve approached it with Shepard, it was subtle and did not feel out of place, like he was feeling Shepard out before making a full on pass. Kaiden just charged right in with the same dialog whether you were romancing him or not. Ash had different dialog based on whether you were or weren't romancing her. It probably doesn't help that Kaiden shows no signs of being gay until you met him at the cafe, and that he was interested in Liara in ME1. And I am making a comparison on how it was handled between two similar character arcs. You are the one making the distinction between male vs female. I am comparing two characters that follow almost the same exact story through ME2-ME3. This is why I usually avoid these types of threads, people turn it to a social debate. I could care less how someone else lives their life as long as they don't force their life style on me or anyone else. Exactly who is it that force their lifestyle on anyone else? And life STYLE? What? Let's clear: the sexual orientation isn't "style".
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 24, 2017 13:49:22 GMT
He stated his opinion. He didn't say that anybody did it in the games or in this thread. So don't get angry and derail the thread.
Instead if you are uncertain, ask him what he meant.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 24, 2017 13:49:59 GMT
Look at the way Steve approached it with Shepard, it was subtle and did not feel out of place, like he was feeling Shepard out before making a full on pass. Kaiden just charged right in with the same dialog whether you were romancing him or not. Ash had different dialog based on whether you were or weren't romancing her. It probably doesn't help that Kaiden shows no signs of being gay until you met him at the cafe, and that he was interested in Liara in ME1. And I am making a comparison on how it was handled between two similar character arcs. You are the one making the distinction between male vs female. I am comparing two characters that follow almost the same exact story through ME2-ME3. This is why I usually avoid these types of threads, people turn it to a social debate. I could care less how someone else lives their life as long as they don't force their life style on me or anyone else. "forcing their life style"....yea sure you are no homophobe:) Shows your bias more then mine. One of my best friends is gay. Him making a pass at me was how we became friends. But hey I must fear it and run from it. Anyway I am done here, thanks for the warm welcome.
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He stated his opinion. He didn't say that anybody did it in the games or in this thread. So don't get angry and derail the thread. Instead if you are uncertain, ask him what he meant. sexuality is not a lifestyle. im sorry but i dont tolerate such "opinions".
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 24, 2017 13:56:30 GMT
Look at the way Steve approached it with Shepard, it was subtle and did not feel out of place, like he was feeling Shepard out before making a full on pass. Kaiden just charged right in with the same dialog whether you were romancing him or not. Ash had different dialog based on whether you were or weren't romancing her. It probably doesn't help that Kaiden shows no signs of being gay until you met him at the cafe, and that he was interested in Liara in ME1. And I am making a comparison on how it was handled between two similar character arcs. You are the one making the distinction between male vs female. I am comparing two characters that follow almost the same exact story through ME2-ME3. This is why I usually avoid these types of threads, people turn it to a social debate. I could care less how someone else lives their life as long as they don't force their life style on me or anyone else. Exactly who is it that force their lifestyle on anyone else? And life STYLE? What? Their personal life, their religion, how to properly dress..I could go on. As for they..I mean literally anyone who would force their views another. I don't see "they" as some large entity or group out to get others. But as I said I am done, I don't want to debate social issues or personal beliefs.
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I would stand by the idea that it is a choice in life to decide whether you want to be with a man or woman.
Whatever innate attraction you may feel you can decide to be with a man or woman regardless. Kaidan decided he wanted to be in a relationship with male Shep therefore he is choosing that he wants to be with a man in his life. That is the very definition of a lifestyle choice.
And if I read correctly the poster was talking about Kaidan's decison to flirt with Shepard being forced on him, not his sexual orientation itself.
And it doesn't matter if you can't tolerate that person's opinion. They have the right to express it as much as you have the right to disagree.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 24, 2017 14:02:05 GMT
Exactly who is it that force their lifestyle on anyone else? And life STYLE? What? Their personal life, their religion, how to properly dress..I could go on. As for they..I mean literally anyone who would force their views another. I don't see "they" as some large entity or group out to get others. But as I said I am done, I don't want to debate social issues or personal beliefs. Let's more clear. The sexual orientation isn't a style. Related to sexual life probably we can call style for example the monogamy, the polygamy, the promiscuity etc. But not the sexual orientation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:09:19 GMT
Kaidan didn't come on strong. Anyone with half a brain cell still functioning can see that watching all his scenes. Problem for homophobe morons (I'm sure this is not your case though) is that any guy hitting on them triggers their innate hysteria and pavlovian conditioning (gay guy > must react with: hysterical eww - the more theatrical the better the other monkeys will praise you). It's funny how you underline exactly this by comparing your reaction to Ashley, a female flirting with you, to your reaction to Kaidan, a male flirting with you. The hypocrisy and double standard these people have the audacity to parade as "normal" is outstanding. This is why I usually avoid these types of threads, people turn it to a social debate. I could care less how someone else lives their life as long as they don't force their life style on me or anyone else.I see through you. Here, you are telling us you are a homophobe. It doesn't matter how much and long you try to make excuses for it, you even admit it. You are trying hard to look good in your own eyes. You don't want to be called out for it, because you want to look good! You want just nice adjectives attached to you, like "open minded" and "tolerant", no matter that you are neither. I've yet to meet a person who openly would admit that yes, I am ignorant, bigoted and homophobic and proud of it. It is always someone elses fault. You don't want to look bad and ignorant in your own eyes, yet you are a homophobe and you just can't help yourself because you lie to yourself that you are not, those lesser human beings with their "lifestyle" are just mean and misunderstand you just to spite you and good people like you. I don't believe a second you have a gay-friend. If you have, you secretly dispise him. You straight men have this strange, twisted belief that gays are preying on you, trying to trick you in to their "lifestyle" with their wily ways. That's why they have to be hidden from sight, and they really should understand to do it by themselves, right? Listen dude, gay-men won't give a shit about you, they have each other if they want to have something intimate. Do you think that gay-men are looking at you and objectifying you just like hetero men are doing to women, and that makes you just so uncomfortable? The thought of being on the receiving end of that crap? Deal with it, women do it all the time. And no, someone flirting with you is not "forcing it on you", it is flirting. Forcing would be a rape, and I don't think anyone got a feeling Kaidan is about to do that. And btw, it is KAIDAN.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:14:01 GMT
Well, i played a female character, and did not like what Kaiden said to her either in ME2/ME3. But I actually like it when characters, male or female, make the first step, instead of the PC always being the one giving the chaise. So long as you can say "I am not interested", I am happy.
Obviously, not to the crazy degree of the Kotor2, when everyone was smitten by the Exile, friend or foe, but it is nice when the characters acknowledge that you have created and playing an attractive protagonist. It's actually really annoying when nobody does after you spent hours on cc!
It's just a flirt. The worst that happens is ugh, awwwkwaaard...
But I can never help it being at least a bit flattered, and the gender does not matter. If you feel angry that another human may actually be in love with you, I think it's strange.
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 24, 2017 14:19:42 GMT
This is why I usually avoid these types of threads, people turn it to a social debate. I could care less how someone else lives their life as long as they don't force their life style on me or anyone else. I see through you. Here, you are telling us you are a homophobe. It doesn't matter how much and long you try to make excuses for it, you even admit it. You are trying hard to look good in your own eyes. You don't want to be called out for it, because you want to look good! You want just nice adjectives attached to you, like "open minded" and "tolerant", no matter that you are neither. I've yet to meet a person who openly would admit that yes, I am ignorant, bigoted and homophobic and proud of it. It is always someone elses fault. You don't want to look bad and ignorant in your own eyes, yet you are a homophobe and you just can't help yourself because you lie to yourself that you are not, those lesser human beings with their "lifestyle" are just mean and misunderstand you just to spite you and good people like you. I don't believe a second you have a gay-friend. If you have, you secretly dispise him. You straight men have this strange, twisted belief that gays are preying on you, trying to trick you in to their "lifestyle" with their wily ways. That's why they have to be hidden from sight, and they really should understand to do it by themselves, right? Listen dude, gay-men won't give a shit about you, they have each other if they want to have something intimate. Do you think that gay-men are looking at you and objectifying you just like hetero men are doing to women, and that makes you just so uncomfortable? The thought of being on the receiving end of that crap? Deal with it, women do it all the time. And no, someone flirting with you is not "forcing it on you", it is flirting. Forcing would be a rape, and I don't think anyone got a feeling Kaidan is about to do that. And btw, it is KAIDAN. First, if you want to come across as close minded, generalising people that don't agree as homophobes is a good start. He stated why he didn't liked People that try to force they way of thinking on him. Second, I have said it just a moment before, but I will say it again. Don't derail the thread with this. Take it to Pm if you want to talk about it. Since there is no Mod online right now (as of the moment I'm writing this) this might end up in a 3+ pages long flamewar that will end in the thread being closed and have to be cleaned up by the mods. Not a very smart thing right?
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life·style [ˈlīfˌstīl] NOUN the way in which a person or group lives: "the benefits of a healthy lifestyle" synonyms: way of life · way of living · life · situation · fate · lot · [more] I would stand by the idea that it is a choice in life to decide whether you want to be with a man or woman. Whatever innate attraction you may feel you can decide to be with a man or woman regardless. Kaidan decided he wanted to be in a relationship with male Shep therefore he is choosing that he wants to be with a man in his life. That is the very definition of a lifestyle choice. And if I read correctly the poster was talking about Kaidan's decison to flirt with Shepard being forced on him, not his sexual orientation itself. "If you are straight, I’d like you to reflect on two specific questions. Firstly, when did you “choose” to be straight? Secondly, do you think being straight is a “lifestyle choice”? Based on knowledge of your own sexuality, you may think these questions are totally ridiculous, or you may not even understand what they are referring to. Frustratingly, gay and lesbian people are repeatedly subjected to this bizarre line of questioning (about our sexuality), both in our day-to-day lives and in our quest for equality at a political and societal level. Not only is this notion that people choose to be gay or lesbian totally absurd, but it demonstrates a lack of understanding of two different components of human sexuality: sexual orientation and sexual behavior." www.pflagatl.org/is-being-straight-a-lifestyle-choice/
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 24, 2017 14:22:06 GMT
Well, i played a female character, and did not like what Kaiden said to her either in ME2/ME3. But I actually like it when characters, male or female, make the first step, instead of the PC always being the one giving the chaise. So long as you can say "I am not interested", I am happy. Obviously, not to the crazy degree of the Kotor2, when everyone was smitten by the Exile, friend or foe, but it is nice when the characters acknowledge that you have created and playing an attractive protagonist. It's actually really annoying when nobody does after you spent hours on cc! It's just a flirt. The worst that happens is ugh, awwwkwaaard... But I can never help it being at least a bit flattered, and the gender does not matter. If you feel angry that another human may actually be in love with you, I think it's strange. I have never had kaidan flirt with me in ME3, either that or I'm even worse at picking up this stuff in games than I thought.
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life·style [ˈlīfˌstīl] NOUN the way in which a person or group lives: "the benefits of a healthy lifestyle" synonyms: way of life · way of living · life · situation · fate · lot · [more] I would stand by the idea that it is a choice in life to decide whether you want to be with a man or woman. Whatever innate attraction you may feel you can decide to be with a man or woman regardless. Kaidan decided he wanted to be in a relationship with male Shep therefore he is choosing that he wants to be with a man in his life. That is the very definition of a lifestyle choice. And if I read correctly the poster was talking about Kaidan's decison to flirt with Shepard being forced on him, not his sexual orientation itself. "If you are straight, I’d like you to reflect on two specific questions. Firstly, when did you “choose” to be straight? Secondly, do you think being straight is a “lifestyle choice”? Based on knowledge of your own sexuality, you may think these questions are totally ridiculous, or you may not even understand what they are referring to. Frustratingly, gay and lesbian people are repeatedly subjected to this bizarre line of questioning (about our sexuality), both in our day-to-day lives and in our quest for equality at a political and societal level. Not only is this notion that people choose to be gay or lesbian totally absurd, but it demonstrates a lack of understanding of two different components of human sexuality: sexual orientation and sexual behavior." www.pflagatl.org/is-being-straight-a-lifestyle-choice/I'm not talking about sexuality I'm talking about the decision to flirt/pursue a relationship with an individual in your life with the intent of sharing your life with them. You're twisting my words... Edit: The poster was merely expressing that they didn't like Kaidan's forced flirt. it was an opinion. And the only reason I am defending this poster is because their post was twisted and said person was regarded as homophobic for it.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 24, 2017 14:24:42 GMT
Sigh, here we go again.
Anyway, gay aliens. I hope we get gay aliens.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 24, 2017 14:26:23 GMT
Well, i played a female character, and did not like what Kaiden said to her either in ME2/ME3. But I actually like it when characters, male or female, make the first step, instead of the PC always being the one giving the chaise. So long as you can say "I am not interested", I am happy. Obviously, not to the crazy degree of the Kotor2, when everyone was smitten by the Exile, friend or foe, but it is nice when the characters acknowledge that you have created and playing an attractive protagonist. It's actually really annoying when nobody does after you spent hours on cc! It's just a flirt. The worst that happens is ugh, awwwkwaaard... Exactly so. And why so big problem, if the NPC disappointed, if the PC refused him (Anders' negative reaction – rivalry)? This is a human reaction, of course, everyone are disappointed, if got rejection, this is very bad feeling. Everyone handle this on different way. Someone shows the pain of someone not. Anders' behavior simply honest – as I see. And the writers due the negative reviews, now much more cautious (in the case of Steve –ME3– this was a criterion, for example). (Isabela almost jumped into my Hawke's bed because of one silly flirtatious sentence, and when Hawke refused her, her reaction was similar than Anders, except she thought, that my Hawke want to sleep with a noble woman. If I remember correctly.)
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Well, i played a female character, and did not like what Kaiden said to her either in ME2/ME3. But I actually like it when characters, male or female, make the first step, instead of the PC always being the one giving the chaise. So long as you can say "I am not interested", I am happy. Obviously, not to the crazy degree of the Kotor2, when everyone was smitten by the Exile, friend or foe, but it is nice when the characters acknowledge that you have created and playing an attractive protagonist. It's actually really annoying when nobody does after you spent hours on cc! It's just a flirt. The worst that happens is ugh, awwwkwaaard... But I can never help it being at least a bit flattered, and the gender does not matter. If you feel angry that another human may actually be in love with you, I think it's strange. I have never had kaidan flirt with me in ME3, either that or I'm even worse at picking up this stuff in games than I thought. :mellow: Oh, my Shepard romanced him in ME1, so he told her that he is willing to forgive her cheating on him during the first convo as a way to rekindle the romance & that he's still carrying the torch. My Shepard was just coming from Huerta Memorial, where she'd passionately reaffirmed to her dying lover (who actually generously offered her to keep an eye on wounded Kaiden) that he, Thane, is her one true love, no matter what... it was... churlish. I know, it was an artifact, but, boy, did it make me dislike Kaiden.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:29:37 GMT
have you ever seen complaints of that scale when its a female who starts flirting with you? maybe liara but she was just pushed down our throats so its understandable. i still liked her, come on shes cute. no, its only when a guy harmlessly flirt with a male MC or suggest there might be something more. add to that all other people jumping to defense of those who suffered those perverted flirting, poor damaged snowflakes.
im sorry that in a game set in the far future, men dont hide their sexuality and dont think that by approaching another guy they might get punched.
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 24, 2017 14:30:05 GMT
Sigh, here we go again. Anyway, gay aliens. I hope we get gay aliens. I just hope they make the romances feel good. But I don't really have any fear of that. Of course, I haven't had any problem with finding at least one good romance for me in any Bioware game. I'm just easy like that.
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Post by witchcocktor on Feb 24, 2017 14:35:39 GMT
Sigh, here we go again. Anyway, gay aliens. I hope we get gay aliens. I just hope they make the romances feel good. But I don't really have any fear of that. Of course, I haven't had any problem with finding at least one good romance for me in any Bioware game. I'm just easy like that. Well, out of 5 gay romances in DA, I've only really enjoyed one, and that's Fenris. And while I could venture off to the land of straight and lesbian romances, I'm not really interested. So I'm desperately hoping ME:A will have that one romance that's going to make me a raging fanboy for that particular character and romance! That'd be nice.
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Post by Kian on Feb 24, 2017 14:41:11 GMT
"forcing their life style"....yea sure you are no homophobe:) Shows your bias more then mine. One of my best friends is gay. Him making a pass at me was how we became friends. But hey I must fear it and run from it. Anyway I am done here, thanks for the warm welcome. Oh yes. "I have a gay friend so I can't possibly be homophobic" excuse. Very original. I have never heard that. And you follow it with "I'm a victim" card. Boohoo. Don't let the door hit you in the butt if you're leaving. On a related note, I really hope Bioware does no "deal with homophobia" trope. Things are looking bleak enough without having to deal with that nonsense in an futuristic universe where supposedly intelligence, education and information would have eradicated something as stupid and petty as homophobia, racism or sexism.
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Post by saberchic on Feb 24, 2017 14:44:10 GMT
Liam is missing from your chart.
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Post by Mintty on Feb 24, 2017 14:48:01 GMT
Liam is missing from your chart. Also Suvi was "at least flirted with" (and responded positively) too. BioFan
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Liam is missing from your chart. Was Liam confirmed to be at least flirted with by either Ryder?
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 24, 2017 14:54:45 GMT
Everyone can be flirted with by both Ryders, it means nothing unless it leads to actual romance or undoubtely positive response that they're into your Ryder
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
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Post by hector535 on Feb 24, 2017 14:57:02 GMT
Liam is missing from your chart. Was Liam confirmed to be at least flirted with by either Ryder? He hasn't been confirmed.
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