The Character Romance thread (Official)

That would mean gay men have to pay extra for what can only be scraps. I'd rather take my free content lol.

About Jaal always being bi (btw I'm at least half talking to figure out where I stand on these things for myself so sorry if I'm out of step/rehasing crossed ground) I don't find the "he had dialogue!" argument convincing. Lots of characters have dialogue for romances they never have access to and Bioware has straight up said they record all dialogue cuz it winds up cheaper, somehow.

Now, to counter that, there are 1) I'm pretty sure while marketing kissable mm aliens were suggested/implied/confirmed, I might be misremembering though or I might be a naive petal and they just lied.

2) There are some things in the game which are not like the others, Jaal doesn't reject Scott even though everyone else does whose just not that into him. Instead of a rejection there is only absence, it kinda look like something was just cut out. But I might only be seeing what I wanna see.

3) Having an achievement for romancing three characters that excludes only gay men is really, really atrocious optics. I find it hard to believe someone at Bioware came up with that, it was approved and released all while knowing they're leaving The Gays^tm out in the cold. I find it more believable to think it was greenlit, forgotten about and then something happened to have Jaal removed.

4) They chose to add Jaal as a romance option instead of simply adding content to Reyes/Gil. A "brand new" romance instead of elaborating on existing ones. Intuitively I find this odd, it seems like a lot more work. UNLESS ofc, it's always been there. It would probably have been less work to dust off and finish/finish polishing a romance vs adding genuinely new content to existing ones. Vs this there's the genuinely baffling question as to why it wasn't in at release. I mean they could just have run out of time but then I really don't understand why they don't just say "we ran out of time." I have this amusing mental picture of some exec seeing Jaal's gay content and going "Noooo, Jaal has to be out straight alien bro for out straight male audience they'll be mad if they don't have someone to be homoromantic BUT VERY MUCH NOT homoerotic with. Straight alien bro. In a straight fashion. Straight." Man, that person must be kicking themselves. 

Yeah, that would've been incredibly shady and nasty of them.

Make the balance equal to begin with and THEN feel free to add in DLC options.

But only when the playing field is equal from the get-go.

He claims that if Jaal is made bi, then Dorian, Sera, Suvi, and more can just be altered. He doesn't grasp the concept that Jaal was not made bi. They didn't force it or change the character. Jaal never was straight, they didn't even have a rejection line for Scott. It just was nonexistent. Jaal was simply deleted from the m/m side of the game. Now, they're re-implementing a better romance for Jaal x Scott with new animations and VA. BioFan is full of self-hate and just introduced a bunch of biphobic and homophobic fans to his side. 

He's not say they can be, what he's saying is that because of this people will try to use it as an example to try and have x character made an option because they don't like their current ones ( And no I'm not saying this situation in that boat)

And this last line in just unnecessary and out right attacking BioFan for having an honest opinion  

I'm sure this Jaal change/addition will provide ammo for any group unhappy with bioware romances in future games.
However i don't feel that is justification to preclude the change happening when that's the only real way to provide the improved content for gay men. Still find it bizarre that they thought going into the game without a squadmate available for gay men was a sensible choice.

Never said it was a good option, just better than the one given (imo). From my point of view, this confirms that Jaal's romance for Scott was cut out of the game for some reason and was only added later as an afterthought. Not to mention that BioWare changed the sexuality of one of their characters (from bisexual to heterosexual, and then from heterosexual to bisexual again) to fit their interest.

+1.

Firstly doesn't sera turn you down if you flirt with her as a guy? So that's out.

Secondly there aren't issues with the number of straight male romances in andromeda.

Thirdly the first thing the team said was that it makes sense for Jaal as an angaran.

It's good that they showed a willingness to actually make serious changes in response to this issue, but going back and retroactively changing a characters sexuality is the worst way to have gone about that. Making improvements to the existing m/m romances or focusing on DLC characters/future games would have been much better. 

...Very obtuse? I mean, there are still a lot of dumb homophobic people, and try to level the playing field just a bit and then there are screams of "those damn SJWs how dare they cave into the gay agenda!" despite having the lion's share all in thanks to heteronormativity. I get it, I know where Biofan is coming from, because it was also in the back of my mind as well, but I also get that people using this as a crutch to call upon making gay/lesbian characters available for straight players to romance are homophobic for failing to see how it has some very unfortunate implications and that they already have a WEALTH of straight characters anyway.

Not a good look. The fact that they shipped a game with no queer male squadmate (when everyone else has more content) and maybe expect it to not be taken much notice is not a good look.

Actually, I was in favour of starting from scratch.

Everyone go home. Andromeda's been cancelled. Let's start again. And let's not fuck it up for the lgbt+ players again...

This was not "change sexuality", we only knew, that he attracts to women, he never ever said anything about men. Never refused Scott (as Liam), Scott never had an option to speak about the romance.
(Awakening!Anders kontra DA2!Anders and Kaidan debate again)