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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:36:19 GMT
In DAI we had for females: Cullen Solas Blackwall For males we had: Cassandra Josephine Dorian was gay and Sera was a lesbian Bull would be like PeeBee. He was for both sexes but that did not stop us females from getting lots of male LI, so why should PeeBee limit the female options for Scott? Nope. Their original plan was 6 romances, Bull, Wall and Dorian as male LI, Cass, Sera and Jose as female LI. They went for a 2/2/2 ratio, before they had the time extension and added two. But in their original plan Bull counted as one of three. And again, you're assuming that every asari is pansexual, which is clearly wrong. Aria is bi with a STRONG leaning towards women. She's not pansexual at all. The point is saying PeeBee limits Scott makes no sense. Despite what they had planned, we got 6 male LI in DAI for females. I'm not saying PeeBee is, I was using that as an example that she can be for both sexes and has been rumored to have some sort of bond thing with Vetra. Probably like Aria and Nyreen.
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Post by darcon on Jan 29, 2017 17:38:56 GMT
I posted this in the Mass Effect reddit but decided to put it there as well, I just thought it was interesting idea that could happen and hell if not now it might be a good idea in the future.
Now for the characters you might be able to romance in Amdromeda I can see something different happening, people think one character or another can only be either straight, gay or bi, but I think there is another option all together that I hope bioware thought of, that is all of thee above. Now give me a moment to explain, there are many different lines a voice actor will need to read for any given character but only so many would need to be changed to give you the romance you want. With that in mind a character can be straight or gay without being bi within the game itself outright.
Say you play Scoot Ryder and you romance Vetra (my personal favorite) the game will know you play as male character and will change the dialogue to her being straight even if you don't romance her. If you play Sara Ryder Vetra will be gay if you romance her. In either case that you don't romance her, her dialogue will remain the same through the game. The only hitch would be if you they bring characters together that you haven't romanced (Like Tali and Garrus) But if you think about it while it would be cannon in a sense it would let you choose who to romance if you have your eye set on that one character.
Really depends if anyone at bioware thought of it and if they put in the extra effort for that kind of option.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2017 17:40:30 GMT
I posted this in the Mass Effect reddit but decided to put it there as well, I just thought it was interesting idea that could happen and hell if not now it might be a good idea in the future. Now for the characters you might be able to romance in Amdromeda I can see something different happening, people think one character or another can only be either straight, gay or bi, but I think there is another option all together that I hope bioware thought of, that is all of thee above. Now give me a moment to explain, there are many different lines a voice actor will need to read for any given character but only so many would need to be changed to give you the romance you want. With that in mind a character can be straight or gay without being bi within the game itself outright. Say you play Scoot Ryder and you romance Vetra (my personal favorite) the game will know you play as male character and will change the dialogue to her being straight even if you don't romance her. If you play Sara Ryder Vetra will be gay if you romance her. In either case that you don't romance her, her dialogue will remain the same through the game. The only hitch would be if you they bring characters together that you haven't romanced (Like Tali and Garrus) But if you think about it while it would be cannon in a sense it would let you choose who to romance if you have your eye set on that one character. Really depends if anyone at bioware thought of it and if they put in the extra effort for that kind of option. Sounds similar to the 'Gay Toggle', which Bioware have said they will never do. Plus if they want a character interested in you regardless of your sex, they'd just have them be an orientation that allows attraction to both rather than being straight or gay depending on what sex you play.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:40:45 GMT
I posted this in the Mass Effect reddit but decided to put it there as well, I just thought it was interesting idea that could happen and hell if not now it might be a good idea in the future. Now for the characters you might be able to romance in Amdromeda I can see something different happening, people think one character or another can only be either straight, gay or bi, but I think there is another option all together that I hope bioware thought of, that is all of thee above. Now give me a moment to explain, there are many different lines a voice actor will need to read for any given character but only so many would need to be changed to give you the romance you want. With that in mind a character can be straight or gay without being bi within the game itself outright. Say you play Scoot Ryder and you romance Vetra (my personal favorite) the game will know you play as male character and will change the dialogue to her being straight even if you don't romance her. If you play Sara Ryder Vetra will be gay if you romance her. In either case that you don't romance her, her dialogue will remain the same through the game. The only hitch would be if you they bring characters together that you haven't romanced (Like Tali and Garrus) But if you think about it while it would be cannon in a sense it would let you choose who to romance if you have your eye set on that one character. Really depends if anyone at bioware thought of it and if they put in the extra effort for that kind of option. That is a bit too much like Anders and many people complained about it. While it would please many, DA2 got a lot of flak for that.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 17:41:26 GMT
Nope. Their original plan was 6 romances, Bull, Wall and Dorian as male LI, Cass, Sera and Jose as female LI. They went for a 2/2/2 ratio, before they had the time extension and added two. But in their original plan Bull counted as one of three. And again, you're assuming that every asari is pansexual, which is clearly wrong. Aria is bi with a STRONG leaning towards women. She's not pansexual at all. The point is saying PeeBee limits Scott makes no sense. Despite what they had planned, we got 6 male LI in DAI for females. I'm not saying PeeBee is, I was using that as an example that she can be for both sexes and has been rumored to have some sort of bond thing with Vetra. Probably like Aria and Nyreen. They were four, Cullen, Bull, Wall and Solas. She's not a limit. She's a romance available to both Scott and Sara, and she should be present in both's romance list as any bisexual character. She wouldn't count if asari where a type of third gender, but they're not. As I said before, we'll have to agree to disagree. The rumour isn't actually about an bond, is about them having a peculiar relationship. We don't know if they're best friends, antagonistic towards each other or former lovers, or whatever. Some people chose to interpret it as a bond of the kind Aria and Nyreen had, but it can go either way. Expecially because we know there's someone that butts heads with Peebee.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 17:42:32 GMT
They already stated some romances will be straight, some gay and some bi, as fixed and not variable based on our gender.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:44:17 GMT
The point is saying PeeBee limits Scott makes no sense. Despite what they had planned, we got 6 male LI in DAI for females. I'm not saying PeeBee is, I was using that as an example that she can be for both sexes and has been rumored to have some sort of bond thing with Vetra. Probably like Aria and Nyreen. They were four, Cullen, Bull, Wall and Solas. She's not a limit. She's a romance available to both Scott and Sara, and she should be present in both's romance list as any bisexual character. She wouldn't count if asari where a type of third gender, but they're not. As I said before, we'll have to agree to disagree. The rumour isn't actually about an bond, is about them having a peculiar relationship. We don't know if they're best friends, antagonistic towards each other or former lovers, or whatever. Some people chose to interpret it as a bond of the kind Aria and Nyreen had, but it can go either way. Expecially because we know there's someone that butts heads with Peebee. Oh I know lol I meant that due to that change, you add Sera to that and Josie and we had 6 for females. Unfair to guys. I doubt they will do that again. I know. But people were saying PeeBee would limit the romances for Scott because he already had her and Cora. I don't think they would do that. Yeah it's interesting. I'm hoping we get to see or hear more about it. Not often do our own crew have histories of their own together.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2017 17:46:15 GMT
They were four, Cullen, Bull, Wall and Solas. She's not a limit. She's a romance available to both Scott and Sara, and she should be present in both's romance list as any bisexual character. She wouldn't count if asari where a type of third gender, but they're not. As I said before, we'll have to agree to disagree. The rumour isn't actually about an bond, is about them having a peculiar relationship. We don't know if they're best friends, antagonistic towards each other or former lovers, or whatever. Some people chose to interpret it as a bond of the kind Aria and Nyreen had, but it can go either way. Expecially because we know there's someone that butts heads with Peebee. Oh I know lol I meant that due to that change, you add Sera to that and Josie and we had 6 for females. Unfair to guys. I doubt they will do that again. I know. But people were saying PeeBee would limit the romances for Scott because he already had her and Cora. I don't think they would do that. Yeah it's interesting. I'm hoping we get to see or hear more about it. Not often do our own crew have histories of their own together. By 'limit the romances for Scott', I think those people meant PeeBee is taking up one of the romance option slots that could have been occupied by another character.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:50:06 GMT
But why? She's a female and she's available for Scott. So why wouldn't she "count" towards the total number of romance options for him? I'm trying to understand your logic, but I'm just not following. Why would a bisexual character not count towards the total number? S/he is still an option, right? Resources still go into making that story happen. She's still a major character with a distinct storyline. I'm just not understanding your rationale. In DAI we had for females: Cullen Solas Blackwall For males we had: Cassandra Josephine Dorian was gay and Sera was a lesbian Bull would be like PeeBee. He was for both sexes but that did not stop us females from getting lots of male LI, so why should PeeBee limit the female options for Scott? I see what you are saying. Yeah, I think Scott will have more options than Sara and most of those options will be women. But I think there's still a limit on how many LI's are going to be available to Scott and Pee Bee counts as one of them. I also think that the "more options than ever before" quote was just about ME (not Bioware writ large). And I suspect that they are including both "full" romances and "light" romances (aka flings). And I also suspect that they aren't counting the flings in the Citadel DLC either. So I suspect we'll see 2 "full" romances for all of them (a total of 6 LI's if they have one straight guy, one straight gal, one bisexual guy, one bisexual gal, one gay guy, and one lesbian). And I think we know of 5 of them already so the only one missing is the lesbian full romance). Then I suspect straight Scott will have another "full" romance (since ME always "panders" to the straight male audience for romances). That would be 7 total. Then we'll have flings. Straight Scott - Cora, Pee Bee, one more full romance, at least one fling Gay Scott - Jaal, Reyes, and one fling Straight Sara - Liam, Jaal, and at least one fling Lesbian Sara - Pee Bee, one more full romance, at least one fling If this were the case, then we'd have a total of 8-11 LI's depending on their sexualities. We "know" of 5 of them (Cora, Pee Bee, Jaal, Reyes, & Liam). That would leave an additional 3-6 depending on it plays out. One more "Full Romance" for Scott and Sara (likely different gals since it's unlikely we'd not get a lesbian option). That's two. Then at least one fling for each of them. That's 2, 3, or 4 more depending on how it plays out. I'd guess that they are bisexual flings for zots reasons. So, basically, I think we are looking at a total of 9 LI's and we know of 5 of them. With one straight gal, one lesbian, one bisexual gal, and one bisexual guy still to be identified. And I wouldn't be surprised if Dr. Lexi is the bisexual "fling". Or, maybe she's a full romance and there isn't a lesbian (just two bisexual gals). I'm not counting out Lexi. She's a pretty asari who is prominent enough to already be known to us. I'd be gobsmacked if they skipped her as an option in some way. But, again, total speculation on my part!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:50:46 GMT
Oh I know lol I meant that due to that change, you add Sera to that and Josie and we had 6 for females. Unfair to guys. I doubt they will do that again. I know. But people were saying PeeBee would limit the romances for Scott because he already had her and Cora. I don't think they would do that. Yeah it's interesting. I'm hoping we get to see or hear more about it. Not often do our own crew have histories of their own together. By 'limit the romances for Scott', I think those people meant PeeBee is taking up one of the romance option slots that could have been occupied by another character. Yeah right now Scott gets Cora, PeeBee and Jaal and Reyes based on rumors. 2 females and 2 males. I think there will be more than that. @daveliam I agree! And I really hope Vetra is the full romance for Scott. We got Garrus and just leaving her there to dangle for the guys wouldn't be right when male fans asked for a female Turian romance for ages!
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 17:51:49 GMT
They were four, Cullen, Bull, Wall and Solas. She's not a limit. She's a romance available to both Scott and Sara, and she should be present in both's romance list as any bisexual character. She wouldn't count if asari where a type of third gender, but they're not. As I said before, we'll have to agree to disagree. The rumour isn't actually about an bond, is about them having a peculiar relationship. We don't know if they're best friends, antagonistic towards each other or former lovers, or whatever. Some people chose to interpret it as a bond of the kind Aria and Nyreen had, but it can go either way. Expecially because we know there's someone that butts heads with Peebee. Oh I know lol I meant that due to that change, you add Sera to that and Josie and we had 6 for females. Unfair to guys. I doubt they will do that again. I know. But people were saying PeeBee would limit the romances for Scott because he already had her and Cora. I don't think they would do that. Yeah it's interesting. I'm hoping we get to see or hear more about it. Not often do our own crew have histories of their own together. Yeah, but you said male, that's why I said four . I agree with Hanako on their words just meaning she's one of the LI available to him. Or maybe they don't like her and would've preferred her slot being taken by another character. I agree, but to be clear they never stated it's something existing prior to the game (although Is possibly, since they were both on the Nexus). They just hinted at them having an interesting dynamic.
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Post by Blue-Slates on Jan 29, 2017 17:51:54 GMT
Although, if there are more ME:A games after this that follows Ryder, maybe Vetra will further fill her predecessor's shoes and become available as a romance in the next game Either way, I've got no eggs in this basket since my broRyder's strictly into dudes, but I hope the ladies into ladies get her. I think they deserve it.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 17:54:35 GMT
@daveliam : they meant all Bioware games, but they included the lighter romances outside squad and crew. I don't think those will be necessarily just flings though. Mac also stated his favorite romance was on a planet so it's supposed to be one of the lighter one. While they might have overall less content they might still be interesting and well done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:55:02 GMT
Basically Asari are for everyone, so placing them under the romance limit because they are female just seems odd to me. My (probably totally wrong) guess would be this: Cora is straight and for Scott only Liam is straight and for Sis Ryder Jaal is bi PeeBee is pansexual Vetra is either straight or bi Drack and Kallo are not romances Reyes is apparently gay That leaves a lesbian LI to be announced and maybe another straight female for Scott and male for his sister Add to the many romances you can have without the crew and I think everyone will end up satisfied in the end. I wouldn't be. I'd love it if Jaal being bi is true, as I would be over the moon that I can finally romance a male alien But I'd also love it, if again for the first time as a Mass Effect fan and gaymer, I can romance a squadmate who is there from the beginning, Liam. I'm not expecting both, I'd love it if one of them was true though. Either way so far it looks like straight men and lesbian women are getting the most options. It supports the argument that again the straight male gaze is being most favoured, since many straight men will want to play as Sara and romance a female LI. Straight women and gay men however, and straight women who like to enjoy m/m romances also, it appears aren't getting an equal amount. This is all just speculation on squadmates though, not NPCs. I'm not knocking the NPC romances, but I think most people are going to prefer the better length and arcs provided by being a squadmate etc. Also Hanako Ikezawa I am still holding out hope you get your chaste romance, and that the devs eventually put us out of our misery
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Post by elanor on Jan 29, 2017 17:55:37 GMT
The way I see it for now my FemRyder will die alone xD
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:56:06 GMT
Oh I know lol I meant that due to that change, you add Sera to that and Josie and we had 6 for females. Unfair to guys. I doubt they will do that again. I know. But people were saying PeeBee would limit the romances for Scott because he already had her and Cora. I don't think they would do that. Yeah it's interesting. I'm hoping we get to see or hear more about it. Not often do our own crew have histories of their own together. Yeah, but you said male, that's why I said four . I agree with Hanako on their words just meaning she's one of the LI available to him. Or maybe they don't like her and would've preferred her slot being taken by another character. I agree, but to be clear they never stated it's something existing prior to the game (although Is possibly, since they were both on the Nexus). They just hinted at them having an interesting dynamic. Lol I know. I apologize for the mix up. If you look at it that way though, from the straight side of things, females still got more because of Solas :/ I think PeeBee will be nothing like Liara or Sera if people feared that too. She seems to be a bit like Jack imo but Jack if she was happy XD Yeah maybe they bicker all the time like a married couple lol
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Post by Cannibal on Jan 29, 2017 18:05:20 GMT
@daveliam : they meant all Bioware games, but they included the lighter romances outside squad and crew. I don't think those will be necessarily just flings though. Mac also stated his favorite romance was on a planet so it's supposed to be one of the lighter one. While they might have overall less content they might still be interesting and well done. There is no way this game will have more romances than SWTOR does. Smuggler alone(including both male and female) will have more than Andromeda has.
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Post by ravenous on Jan 29, 2017 18:06:24 GMT
it would be nice if the female Turian was a romance option for Scott since from what I've seen for ages alot of people have been asking that a female Turian be a romance option for a male player character for ages now.
Also I do not know if the founder of the AI will be a romance option but I would like to see Jien Garson be a romance option for both Scott and Sarah
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 29, 2017 18:09:22 GMT
@daveliam : they meant all Bioware games, but they included the lighter romances outside squad and crew. I don't think those will be necessarily just flings though. Mac also stated his favorite romance was on a planet so it's supposed to be one of the lighter one. While they might have overall less content they might still be interesting and well done. There is no way this game will have more romances than SWTOR does. Smuggler alone(including both male and female) will have more than Andromeda has. Yeah, I meant, and probably them as well, their Edmonton games/not MMO.
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Post by Blue-Slates on Jan 29, 2017 18:10:54 GMT
I dunno if Peebee and Vetra's relationship will be necessarily romantic. I think people might freak if a character whom they couldn't romance (but wanted to) ended up with another (romanceable) companion. Maybe. It seems like every time companions end up together there's backlash from some corners of the fandom.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 29, 2017 18:14:07 GMT
Also Hanako Ikezawa I am still holding out hope you get your chaste romance, and that the devs eventually put us out of our misery Thanks, though with these leaks it seems more and more likely I will be getting the bottom of the barrel in regards to this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:16:23 GMT
I dunno if Peebee and Vetra's relationship will be necessarily romantic. I think people might freak if a character whom they couldn't romance (but wanted to) ended up with another (romanceable) companion. Maybe. It seems like every time companions end up together there's backlash from some corners of the fandom. Why not make it interesting? They are ex-lovers and you can bang both of them XD
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Post by Cannibal on Jan 29, 2017 18:17:38 GMT
There is no way this game will have more romances than SWTOR does. Smuggler alone(including both male and female) will have more than Andromeda has. Yeah, I meant, and probably them as well, their Edmonton games/not MMO. Even Origins can be hard to beat. Using a straight Dwarf Noble male as an example, he can get with two female Dwarves in the prologue, Leliana and Morrigan as companions, Isabela in the whore house, Gheyna(IIRC her name correctly) in the Dalish camp. As well as two kisses in Redcliffe.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 29, 2017 18:18:37 GMT
If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:22:56 GMT
If Jaal is bi there's going to be tons of '' who is the better Ryder to romance him with '' debates, aren't there. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the secret gay male Turian romance we know nothing about yet. I know you exist... don't fail me now!! *sweats* I just hope Scot won't get a smaller version of the Jaal romance; with fewer scenes than the female romance counterpart....they did that with Kaidan, I don't want to see it again.
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