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Post by Dirk on May 6, 2017 4:09:59 GMT
I'm wary about what they'll do with Vetra and Suvi in DLC. I trust Sheryl Chee more than most of that writing team, and, last I heard, she's not writing for ME:A's DLCs. This is like the 10th time I wish your source is wrong, but I wouldn't bet against it. :gasp:
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 6, 2017 4:18:45 GMT
I'm wary about what they'll do with Vetra and Suvi in DLC. I trust Sheryl Chee more than most of that writing team, and, last I heard, she's not writing for ME:A's DLCs. This is like the 10th time I wish your source is wrong, but I wouldn't bet against it. :gasp: On one hand, I'm glad she's back on for DA but... on the other hand, I worry about what will happen with her characters for ME. Plus, we don't know how many of the other writers stayed on for DLCs or whether any of them moved on to a different Bioware project. For example, Cora and Kallo's writer had written for the DA franchise before, so it's possible she could have moved onto DA4 too. I don't know for sure either way on her.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 6, 2017 4:20:45 GMT
Hi all! I have a question for everyone if maybe you wanted to help me on a project related to the M/M romances. I’m not an amazing artist, I’d consider myself more sort-of-decent, but I was thinking of making a “gallery” of pictures of “could-have-been” M/M romances. It would just be a collection of all the M/M romances the game could have given us and I guess showcase how they would have been great. Hey, cool idea! I'm not a gay guy, so feel free to put my request at the bottom of the list indefinitely, but the first thing that popped into my head was Scott and Liam on a date. Romantic setting (Nexus?), maybe doing a "cheers" with drinks, Liam smiling. Something like that. Honestly I'll take any gaylien, I don't care what they're like. I'd love to romance a Batarian guy. I've always wanted a Batarian squadmate. I wanted to learn more about their race beyond them being cool with slavery. Me too!!! I was disappointed that they opted to not only have just the council races + fan favourite krogan, but that consequently our squad was mostly "been there, done that". A female turian is good, and obviously we haven't had an angara before, but I'd love to see a female krogan, male quarian, batarian, etc. on the squad. I've always wanted a Batarian squadmate. I wanted to learn more about their race beyond them being cool with slavery. yeah same, i'm tired of one-note characters and races. "here's an alien and this is what their ENTIRE SPECIES is like." c'mon. Planet of Hats. I'm super enamoured with the idea of a batarian who was able to escape the hegemony but they genuinely want to find a way to dismantle that system because it hurts their people too. That almost definitely won't happen now with the move to Andromeda but it's a nice dream. I hope the batarians weren't left behind in the milky way but I doubt they'd find a way there :/ Really hope there are some on the quarian Ark. We barely got to explore them in the trilogy Heck, that Ark is pretty much filled with "we barely explored them" species. I wonder what the context is. I can't say much about the context, but I have found the audio Starts at about 0:20. Huh. To me, it seems like a response to "Do you want to have kids at some point?". In this case, Scott would be taking "having kids" very literally for the sake of making a sarcastic response. Oh that's fine, they aren't winning any awards for most romantic dialogue. There's that infamous Sara/Suvi flirt that's really cringey, the one that got people really up in arms over bad writing, without them realising it was deliberately cringey, and you didn't have to pick that option. But IMHO it's a little refreshing to have a little cringeyness and awkwardness after all the smooth flirting we've had in BioWare games of yore. Ugh, I get triggered when I see people say that scene is bad writing (Sheryl Chee defense squad to the rescue lol)! It's supposed to be awkward! Obviously! And yeah, there's another flirt option if you don't like it, even if it's still slightly awkward (flirt options is great idea that should have come up more often, but at least they took my suggestion after all these years). For reference, here are both: And I totally agree that it's refreshing to have some awkwardness after all these games. Awkward Sara is my spirit animal Heh one of my favorite Dorian/Inquisitor flirts is that awkward one where Dorian says the Inquisitor looks "rather strapping." The thing I like about it is that they both know it's awkward and cheesy. I mean... "I've noticed you're rather strapping, yourself." "Of course you have. That only takes eyes." "Luckily, I have those." "You do! A rather fetching pair." And it ends with, "At any rate, you didn't pass by to hear me fawn. Something on your mind?" and you get taken back to the normal dialogue options. Lollll I think that can be played well, given the context, and if it's not meant to be embarrassing for one of the people. Shared dorkiness is fun. Wow, that actually sounds quite similar to this, in the sense that they're both being intentionally cheesy, for fun: That put a smile on my face, since I didn't expect any romance content after the game. Shared dorkiness is indeed fun. Heh one of my favorite Dorian/Inquisitor flirts is that awkward one where Dorian says the Inquisitor looks "rather strapping." The thing I like about it is that they both know it's awkward and cheesy. Lol, did you know that if you respond to that strapping comment with "Yes I am" he approves? Ha, of course he does I love Dorian. The thing with the Gil romance is that there are these hints that there is deeper stuff there, like the love scene conversation about trust and safety. I personally felt that scene was just... weird, offplace, and came out of left field. I didn't understand the conversation, I didn't understand what it was referencing to, and it felt like a forced emotional moment. It's like his writer forgot to write the reason why I should be invested in this character and his romance, and then just scrambled up some emotional words together and called it a day. I guess it was just supposed to reference the whole '' I jump into things quickly without thinking but I want you to realize this is more than just jumping into something without thinking cuz I really like you '' but it was just awkward and weird to me. But I do know some people love the scene, but it didn't work for me, it was awkward as hell like '' where is this coming from???? '' Huh, that's... interesting. Having not seen or played his romance, it's good to hear thoughts on it. I can relate in a much more minor way, since at one point in Suvi's romance, she says that "it feels right, and comfortable, and safe." It's heartwarming to be sure, though a tiny part of me was wondering exactly where it was coming from. It probably isn't meant to have deeper meaning, but it almost seems like something you'd be more likely to hear if she had an ex like Peebee's and was wary of trying again. /Random Thoughts Personally, I think The Lord of the Rings (the books) are a much more adult series than ASOIAF. They treat themes like the transcience of all life, the inevitable flow of history and the losses civilisations have to take just to sustain themselves as well as the demise of cultural wealth and the irreparable damage one may suffer in one's heroics. They are adult in the sense that a child reading those books probably couldn't understand these themes because they have no context for them and because mortality means nothing to them yet. That to me is more interesting and adult (and even at points more disturbing) than "let's graphically describe the rape of another 12 year old girl". I agree with you, and though it's not totally related, I also feel like it's worth noting that you can have really mature, or adult, or heavy - whatever words you want to use - stories without even having stuff that ups ratings: Gore, profanity, violence, etc. You can have a truly mature story with a low rating, or a really immature story with a high rating. One does not equal the other. I will be the first to owning up to loving cringey flirt lines. I though Garrus' romance was cringey as all hell in places and thought it was great. I honestly loved that flirt with Sara/Suvi when I saw it. I thought it was up there with Garrus' 'popping the heat sink'(if I'm remembering that right) in levels of adorable being really bad at flirting. Every character being smooth af gets boring. I'm just sad I apparently don't have an option to play Scott as awkward. Awkward, slightly cringey Scott would give me life. leto I love awkward flirts so much! And only partly because I'm terrible at flirting in real life, I swear They're just humourous and endearing and adorkable I sincerely wish you had the option to play Scott the same way So much so that I wrote a 2500-word essay on why they shouldn't have given arbitrary personality differences to the twins (I always have amazing prioritization in life ). It would have been really awesome and innovative if rather than choose Scott or Sara, and therefore have our personality determined by gender choice, they instead had Personality A and Personality B, and we could play either twin either way. To be frank, I don't think that interpreting Suvi as introverted and using that to explain gay ladies' problems with her romance is the way to go here. I certainly don't think saying "erasure!" is useful. Introvert gay lady romances would be great to have!...alongside romances with gay ladies who actually, y'know, make it clear that they're gay ladies. We lack the latter. (In contradistinction to gay dudes, who have the unfortunate problem that every gay dude romance seems to be about being a gay dude to the exclusion of all else.) Exactly that. The problem isn't Suvi herself. It's that she's the only lesbian representation in the game, so it doesn't help much if her sexuality is never stated in any way, even subtly. If we had other prominent lesbians who showed their sexuality more, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. And you're right, the gay men almost always have the opposite problem. Yes, I would have loved to play nerdy and awkward Scott. There were already so many tears over him not being the epitome of male beauty according to straight men (i.e. rugged i.e. Shepard). Proportionsgate even had me hopeful they wouldn't make him so tall. I still love him. He's not as smooth or rugged as Shepard so it's still a step in the right direction. Wish we could have traded, ha! You can have short Scott if I can have tall Sara indrexu Seems to me he was saying that, yes introverts exist, but that that doesn't seem to be the case in these games for characters with same-sex attraction. Similarly, this is also played out with many of the bi characters. Of course people don't have to prove their bisexuality, but when you have characters like Iron Bull who openly talks about being attracted to women, regardless of whom he's talking to, but then only expresses same-sex attraction based on certain conditions (male Inquisitor, bring him along with Dorian), that's not a case of being an introvert or a private person. Bioware really needs to work on their bi men tending to only show attraction to women outside of the potential player character. Fair enough. I only meant to comment that as an introvert, that potential aspect of Suvi resonated with me. That aspect of Suvi resonated with me, too. "I'd love to, you know, be social and things." But being an introvert doesn't mean her orientation needs to be completely invisible. Especially in the romance. Trust me, millions of women are aware of rape every single day without needing it shoved in their faces in a ham-fisted attempt to prove a world is 'dark' and 'edgy.' At this point, this is basically what I think of homophobic plots as well. He's canonically around 6'1" BW just employs stretching in certain cutscenes. It's been my experience that Bioware tends make everyone the same height. I haven't played Andromeda, so did they actually put different body types this time?
Sort of. All males still have one body type and all females, another, but now the women are shorter across the board. I have to admit it irks me, for both personal and practical reasons. Practically, it's a waste of effort. You're not actually giving us more diversity of body options (which would be amazing and is well past due). All you're accomplishing is giving Sara awkward camera angles because every scene is made with Scott first and sometimes they forget to alter it for Sara's height. Here's an example: (There's actually a lot more empty space up top that I cropped as well) It also needlessly creates hurdles for their animation team, in the same vein as DA:I's different races (and therefore heights) did. The reason Scott's dance with Reyes was messed up is because the animations were made for Sara's model, which is shorter. So Reyes eats Scott's nose, etc. Of course, the fact that they keep making bi romances with the straight path first and the same-sex one as an afterthought is bad enough, but the problem wouldn't even have happened if the protagonists were the same height, as it usually is in Bioware games. Personally, being a fairly tall 5'9'', I like seeing some taller women in things, so there's that. But it's mostly the above. *huge snip* Relying on these other things to generate drama wouldn't be too bad if they didn't overwhelmingly affect certain groups. Great analysis. I saved it
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 4:57:38 GMT
This is like the 10th time I wish your source is wrong, but I wouldn't bet against it. :gasp: On one hand, I'm glad she's back on for DA but... on the other hand, I worry about what will happen with her characters for ME. Plus, we don't know how many of the other writers stayed on for DLCs or whether any of them moved on to a different Bioware project. For example, Cora and Kallo's writer had written for the DA franchise before, so it's possible she could have moved onto DA4 too. I don't know for sure either way on her. At this point, I'm not looking back. I'm stepping over Andromeda's body and over to DA4 with some cautious optimism. I've said this before. But at least Sheryl Chee's back with the DA team.
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Post by Mir Aven on May 6, 2017 5:01:07 GMT
On a lighter subject, it sounds like the VAs might be back in the studio recording more stuff. Here's to hoping the newest DLC has some Geth in it. I would like to see them too. As long as it's the ME 2 version and not the ME 3 pinocchio one.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 6, 2017 5:11:21 GMT
Here's to hoping the newest DLC has some Geth in it. I would like to see them too. As long as it's the ME 2 version and not the ME 3 pinocchio one. The starting point would have to be the ME2 Geth, though there are a lot of possibilities with the Geth and how they could evolve. For example, look at how much they advanced in 300 years and now they have over 600 more. And with fewer Geth programs, they could reach the unity they strive for. I could see them having passed the issue the had in the Shepard Trilogy and are now facing new things, sort of like the krogan.
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Post by Mir Aven on May 6, 2017 5:35:10 GMT
I would like to see them too. As long as it's the ME 2 version and not the ME 3 pinocchio one. The starting point would have to be the ME2 Geth, though there are a lot of possibilities with the Geth and how they could evolve. For example, look at how much they advanced in 300 years and now they have over 600 more. And with fewer Geth programs, they could reach the unity they strive for. I could see them having passed the issue the had in the Shepard Trilogy and are now facing new things, sort of like the krogan. I'm less worried how the Geth evolved and more worried have they'll be written. I found ME 2 take on them far more interesting. For example, they were curious about organics, mainly Shepard, but they didn't want to be like organics. Bioware changed the way the Geth were portrayed in ME 3, I didn't like those changes hence my earlier comment.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 6, 2017 8:01:48 GMT
So I am a little confuse and would like so insight from you guys just to see how to balance it. I've seen conflict of interesting here. So I just want to know what would be the perfect balance for you guys? I'm genuine interested and curious. Others have gone into detail, so I'll try to make my view as concise as possible instead: I want a character who neither hides nor flaunts their sexuality. To shamelessly and casually bring it up when relevant, but not have it become a primary character trait or part of their plot. My fault with Suvi's portrayal is that she falls pretty far on the "hide" end of the spectrum. As far as she possibly could without not being an option for Sara, since even within the romance she doesn't mention attraction to women The difference with a character like Suvi is that it can give the impression that the writers are hiding it, perhaps to appease certain portions of the audience*. Let's take Vetra. There was a banter where she was talking in flattering tones about Suvi, especially how she liked her voice and such. I knew from that that Vetra was interested in women to some degree. I think that was a nice touch.I need to see this banter, already, ha! Any chance a Ryder romancing Suvi makes a comment? /Wishful thinking I hate to say it, but when I saw what Suvi says to Scott to rebuff his advances a part of me found it sadly and terribly realistic. Most of us have been there where saying "not interested" to a guy resulted in escalating negative behaviors that in some cases lead to an outright dangerous situation. So for her to not say "I'm not into you/I date women" made total sense to me for that one small moment before I remembered it's the future and that probably isn't/shouldn't be a problem. Then the cynical side took over and I figured it was so straight Scott doesn't get manfeels hurt that a girl didn't like him. Yup, there you go. There's no reason for her not to be honest in a universe where, well, there's no reason for her not to be honest (I'm so eloquent right now) I mean, Scott's autodialogue response - "I understand completely" - would still be appropriate if she said she wasn't into guys instead. Suvi tells Scott she prefers to keep things professional. Because nothing says "professional" like repeatedly making a coworker uncomfortable by flirting with your boss in front of him, or locking personnel out of a science lab so you can have sex in it! Have I successfully made Professional Suvi a meme?Suvi tells Scott she prefers to keep things professional. Aw, yeah that is kind of a bummer of a response. Yep, especially considering Liam, Cora, and Gil all tell you fairly bluntly they're not into men/women. Jaal doesn't have a rejection since Scott can't flirt with him at all. I'm wary about what they'll do with Vetra and Suvi in DLC. I trust Sheryl Chee more than most of that writing team, and, last I heard, she's not writing for ME:A's DLCs. But I do know some people love the scene, but it didn't work for me, it was awkward as hell like '' where is this coming from???? '' Huh, that's... interesting. Having not seen or played his romance, it's good to hear thoughts on it. I can relate in a much more minor way, since at one point in Suvi's romance, she says that "it feels right, and comfortable, and safe." It's heartwarming to be sure, though a tiny part of me was wondering exactly where it was coming from. It probably isn't meant to have deeper meaning, but it almost seems like something you'd be more likely to hear if she had an ex like Peebee's and was wary of trying again.
/Random Thoughts I'm quoting myself because I had a weird realization after writing that. When you lock-in with Suvi, she says: "Sara, don't do this to me. Not unless... you really mean it." She sounds intense, almost pleading. Her voice is almost breaking. Combine that with the above, and... did she have a cut plot about a bad relationship? Or just doesn't tell Sara about it? Or is she just really scared of relationships? /Reading into things way too much
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Post by ash on May 6, 2017 11:15:29 GMT
New conspiracy theory - instead of Bioware Montreal ME:A was made by Ubisoft Montreal by accident. Downgrades are looking quite similar. [puts on tinfoil hat]
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Post by Walter Black on May 6, 2017 11:27:26 GMT
Oh that's fine, they aren't winning any awards for most romantic dialogue. There's that infamous Sara/Suvi flirt that's really cringey, the one that got people really up in arms over bad writing, without them realising it was deliberately cringey, and you didn't have to pick that option. But IMHO it's a little refreshing to have a little cringeyness and awkwardness after all the smooth flirting we've had in BioWare games of yore. Ugh, I get triggered when I see people say that scene is bad writing (Sheryl Chee defense squad to the rescue lol)! It's supposed to be awkward! Obviously! And yeah, there's another flirt option if you don't like it, even if it's still slightly awkward (flirt options is great idea that should have come up more often, but at least they took my suggestion after all these years). For reference, here are both: And I totally agree that it's refreshing to have some awkwardness after all these games. Awkward Sara is my spirit animal Maybe other players dislike that scene less because it was "badly written", but because it gives a tone they might not have intended and wrests control of their character away from them. Certain players don't necessarily care for adorkable, and prefer to be more confident and measured. I'm fine either way, but it should be my choice.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 6, 2017 12:07:46 GMT
So I am a little confuse and would like so insight from you guys just to see how to balance it. I've seen conflict of interesting here. Some people complain about Dorian's personal mission being about him being a gay man. People solution here is that he should be written as a character that just so happen to be gay. But... on the other hand. Some people complain about Suvi not mentioning being only into girls, like with Liam and Cora no homo line. They say it's like "hiding her gay." But seems to me like she's the character that written as a character that just so happen to be gay. Kind of how people wanted for Cortez and Dorian. So I just want to know what would be the perfect balance for you guys? I'm genuine interested and curious. Simple answer is bring it up when it's relevant, don't dwell on it. Suvi gets hit on by a guy, it's pretty natural to just say, "Sorry, I only date women," without making a big deal of it. That's maybe not perfect, there are times you can give it more or less focus, but as a starting point it should serve you pretty well. I think its also a bit about numbers.. If your only gay guy has the typical coming out story, it can feel reductive.. I must say I like Dorians story but maybe because I had the absolute privilege to be born by parents who didnt care jackshit whether I brought men or women home or both together... (just some TMI after the spoilers, not relevant to the topic at hand tho) (They'd make some deadpan comments tho but I have no shame.. I had to talk them about the kink stuff, not necessarily because sound (well that too..) but because I didnt want them to be concerned that i am victim of abuse in case they see any marks and I didnt want any of my partners to risk getting problem with the law because of some stupid misunderstanding So.. I mean I get shit, biphobia and sadly some physical attacks( that were luckily never really grave, hurt my feelings more than my body) but never from home, so that particular form of betrayal I was lucky to avoid.. (and I didnt tell my one grandma because ..well she showed she inst safe for that when she lost her shit over my hairdo repeatedly and i had to train her like a fucking dog to not comment on it) But I also read that David Gaider used it a bit to deal with his own experiences and demons, so its not just some school-after-special but something he used to deal with his own history as a gay man.. Idk, I always felt it was earnest, maybe also because the VA is great and can transport the hurt that this betrayal leaves very well. But i get that it may be different for others and I would have liked another personal quest for Dorian that is just about something else- maybe a date, a picnic, something they do for each other? That would have set off that imbalance a bit. I also like it because its unlike casual use of rape and homophobia as something the PC witnesses to motivate them.. seeing Dorian go through it makes it more personal, closer and gives an opportunity to deal with the effect such a betrayal must have on people.. So if they write the next NPCs they could add such a quest but only if it is set off by other quests that form the character and are about more than just being gay or trans in a society thats okay with casually raping slaves, blood magic and breeding children like animals.. ps.. I read weekes about how he heard that people would've wished the ability to indicate as the PC that they know the feelings Krem has.. Srsly the ability to modify an NB protagonist, a trans protag would mean the world to me.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 6, 2017 12:21:48 GMT
OMG THAT SUVI THING IS SO ADORABLE I CANT STOP SQEEEEEEEEEEING.. fuck shes so cute.. (and yeah, that accent..woof)
then I become sad because I remember what could've been if anyone else had given a fuck enough to support Cheryl and not dance around the assumed1 weinerfeelings of homophobic str8 gamerbois..
I mean.. imagine just more, 1,2 scenes more, maybe after meridian Suvi and Ryder could get to a place in Maridian and plant some Camellia sinensis (Tea) so that in the future they will be able to drink Tea together that they grew.. Maybe they could even do something collaborative with the Angara, I'm sure we cant be the only species loving tea..
(assumed because.. well they assume all of their target audience is str8, male, cis and in some way queerphobic.. If I was..straight male (idk whether I'm cis or not?)I'd be pretty pissed that some twatwaffles at EA and at the team assumed the existence of queers and not weiner tngeling female NPCs would break my feels like Jeffs bones do during a twerking dance party)
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Post by Crim on May 6, 2017 12:22:07 GMT
Ugh, I get triggered when I see people say that scene is bad writing (Sheryl Chee defense squad to the rescue lol)! It's supposed to be awkward! Obviously! And yeah, there's another flirt option if you don't like it, even if it's still slightly awkward (flirt options is great idea that should have come up more often, but at least they took my suggestion after all these years). For reference, here are both: And I totally agree that it's refreshing to have some awkwardness after all these games. Awkward Sara is my spirit animal Maybe other players dislike that scene less because it was "badly written", but because it gives a tone they might not have intended and wrests control of their character away from them. Certain players don't necessarily care for adorkable, and prefer to be more confident and measured. I'm fine either way, but it should be my choice. There are two flirt options available in that scene, the emotional one is the hot awkward mess, it made me lol but srsly, Sara learn to flirt, geez. The other is the logical one, which is much more chill and suave. You have choice here.
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Post by lauratsoni on May 6, 2017 14:49:54 GMT
yeah same, i'm tired of one-note characters and races. "here's an alien and this is what their ENTIRE SPECIES is like." c'mon. Planet of Hats. huh, i didn't realise that trope had a name. thanks!
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Post by blueskysong on May 6, 2017 15:31:12 GMT
Hi all! I have a question for everyone if maybe you wanted to help me on a project related to the M/M romances. I’m not an amazing artist, I’d consider myself more sort-of-decent, but I was thinking of making a “gallery” of pictures of “could-have-been” M/M romances. It would just be a collection of all the M/M romances the game could have given us and I guess showcase how they would have been great. Hey, cool idea! I'm not a gay guy, so feel free to put my request at the bottom of the list indefinitely, but the first thing that popped into my head was Scott and Liam on a date. Romantic setting (Nexus?), maybe doing a "cheers" with drinks, Liam smiling. Something like that. Hi! Thanks for the prompt, I'll put it on the list, and that's a really cute scene. Even if you're not a gay guy, I think quite a few people still appreciate a picture like that. :dumb: I know Liam gets a bad rep, but I liked all squadmates.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 6, 2017 17:29:05 GMT
The starting point would have to be the ME2 Geth, though there are a lot of possibilities with the Geth and how they could evolve. For example, look at how much they advanced in 300 years and now they have over 600 more. And with fewer Geth programs, they could reach the unity they strive for. I could see them having passed the issue the had in the Shepard Trilogy and are now facing new things, sort of like the krogan. I'm less worried how the Geth evolved and more worried have they'll be written. I found ME 2 take on them far more interesting. For example, they were curious about organics, mainly Shepard, but they didn't want to be like organics. Bioware changed the way the Geth were portrayed in ME 3, I didn't like those changes hence my earlier comment. I know. I was just saying that by the time they get to Andromeda the Geth could have an entirely new perspective than they were portrayed as having in ME2 or ME3. That said I agree I would rather they follow the ME2 vein more than the ME3 one. Especially since SAM is already kind of exploring the ME3 path with becoming more human.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 6, 2017 17:36:02 GMT
The difference with a character like Suvi is that it can give the impression that the writers are hiding it, perhaps to appease certain portions of the audience*. Let's take Vetra. There was a banter where she was talking in flattering tones about Suvi, especially how she liked her voice and such. I knew from that that Vetra was interested in women to some degree. I think that was a nice touch.I need to see this banter, already, ha! Any chance a Ryder romancing Suvi makes a comment? /Wishful thinking Suvi tells Scott she prefers to keep things professional. Because nothing says "professional" like repeatedly making a coworker uncomfortable by flirting with your boss in front of him, or locking personnel out of a science lab so you can have sex in it! Have I successfully made Professional Suvi a meme?Huh, that's... interesting. Having not seen or played his romance, it's good to hear thoughts on it. I can relate in a much more minor way, since at one point in Suvi's romance, she says that "it feels right, and comfortable, and safe." It's heartwarming to be sure, though a tiny part of my was wondering exactly where it was coming from. It probably isn't meant to have deeper meaning, but it almost seems like something you'd be more likely to hear if she had an ex like Peebee's and was wary of trying again.
/Random Thoughts I'm quoting myself because I had a weird realization after writing that. When you lock-in with Suvi, she says: "Sara, don't do this to me. Not unless... you really mean it." She sounds intense, almost pleading. Her voice is almost breaking. Combine that with the above, and... did she have a cut plot about a bad relationship? Or just doesn't tell Sara about it? Or is she just really scared of relationships? /Reading into things way too much 1. No, sadly there is no comment that Ryder can make in that banter if romancing Suvi. 2. To be fair, Sarah is the one that flirts with her in front of Kallo. Or not having sex in it. Yay ambiguity! 3. I think her pleading that is because how earlier she feels the reality of losing everyone she loved, ie her family, by making the trip to Andromeda. Now she feels a connection like that with Sarah so doesn't feel alone anymore, but she has that fear of losing that connection too if Sarah isn't serious and being alone again thus why she needs to know.
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Post by Suaimhneas on May 6, 2017 18:17:59 GMT
Suvi tells Scott she prefers to keep things professional. Because nothing says "professional" like repeatedly making a coworker uncomfortable by flirting with your boss in front of him, or locking personnel out of a science lab so you can have sex in it! Have I successfully made Professional Suvi a meme?I didn't know Suvi's romance had a lab scene! Normally I wouldn't approve of sex in the lab 'cause hygiene, but those scientists were annoying. Soooooooo I'm very here for Suvi/Sara lab sex.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 6, 2017 18:38:15 GMT
I didn't know Suvi's romance had a lab scene! Normally I wouldn't approve of sex in the lab 'cause hygiene, but those scientists were annoying. Soooooooo I'm very here for Suvi/Sara lab sex. IKR Suvi eating out Sara in the lab!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 6, 2017 18:42:43 GMT
I didn't know Suvi's romance had a lab scene! Normally I wouldn't approve of sex in the lab 'cause hygiene, but those scientists were annoying. Soooooooo I'm very here for Suvi/Sara lab sex. Yeah, that is where her culmination scene takes place. You go there instead of the Pathfinder's Quarters and there is a sweet scene that fades to black as they kiss, leaving it up to the player what happens after that, from lab sex to just kissing and everything in-between.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 18:54:10 GMT
I didn't know Suvi's romance had a lab scene! Normally I wouldn't approve of sex in the lab 'cause hygiene, but those scientists were annoying. Soooooooo I'm very here for Suvi/Sara lab sex. Yeah, that is where her culmination scene takes place. You go there instead of the Pathfinder's Quarters and there is a sweet scene that fades to black as they kiss, leaving it up to the player what happens after that, from lab sex to just kissing and everything in-between. We all know what they really did. They played Hockey, Suvi beat Sara by 5 points!
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Post by not so salty shark on May 6, 2017 19:08:48 GMT
One thing that really makes me angry is the fact that if it hadn't been for Sheryl Chee (saving the day for LGBT yet again), the devs would've reversed their decision to have even one lesbian-exclusive LI because a handful of gamerbro playtesters said they were upset that they couldn't romance Suvi, despite having three other options in the fucking squad even. The devs were seriously that quick to try to placate them. The LGBT community meanwhile made it no secret for years that we'd like to see M/M get better representation...and we all know how that turned out. Seriously, the ME team clearly has elements in it that just need to not be there.
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Post by ash on May 6, 2017 19:12:31 GMT
One thing that really makes me angry is the fact that if it hadn't been for Sheryl Chee (saving the day for LGBT yet again), the devs would've reversed their decision to have even one lesbian-exclusive LI because a handful of gamerbro playtesters said they were upset that they couldn't romance Suvi, despite having three other options in the fucking squad even. The devs were seriously that quick to try to placate them. The LGBT community meanwhile made it no secret for years that we'd like to see M/M get better representation...and we all know how that turned out. Seriously, the ME team clearly has elements in it that just need to not be there. Don't worry, with Chee no longer in ME:A team our next DLC will add Suvi fling option for Scott. With sex scene. And will copypaste it for f/f.
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Post by coldchrome on May 6, 2017 19:15:41 GMT
One thing that really makes me angry is the fact that if it hadn't been for Sheryl Chee (saving the day for LGBT yet again), the devs would've reversed their decision to have even one lesbian-exclusive LI because a handful of gamerbro playtesters said they were upset that they couldn't romance Suvi, despite having three other options in the fucking squad even. The devs were seriously that quick to try to placate them. The LGBT community meanwhile made it no secret for years that we'd like to see M/M get better representation...and we all know how that turned out. Seriously, the ME team clearly has elements in it that just need to not be there. Don't worry, with Chee no longer in ME:A team our next DLC will add Suvi fling option for Scott. With sex scene. And will copypaste it for f/f. The sad thing, I can see that happening
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 6, 2017 19:48:37 GMT
The salt is increasing... again. Good.
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