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Post by Salty Drell on May 6, 2017 19:49:44 GMT
The salt is increasing... again. Good. Oh just you wait for the 'm/m improvements' friend.
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Post by not so salty shark on May 6, 2017 19:58:00 GMT
Scott's magnificent hero dick has made Suvi see the light and now she's thirsty for it. The romance culminates in Suvi inviting all of her hot girlfriends to Scott's room for a lovingly-crafted orgy cutscene with him in the middle of it all.
And then the devs will get on social media and tell the LGBT community about how much we mean to them, and they'll add in more content for us "if it makes sense." Surely that's adequate damage control for the greedy gays.
>_>
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Post by ash on May 6, 2017 20:01:47 GMT
The salt is increasing... again. Good. Oh just you wait for the 'm/m improvements' friend. Moment they release that patch:
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The salt is increasing... again. Good. Oh just you wait for the 'm/m improvements' friend.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 6, 2017 20:14:15 GMT
Scott's magnificent hero dick has made Suvi see the light and now she's thirsty for it. The romance culminates in Suvi inviting all of her hot girlfriends to Scott's room for a lovingly-crafted orgy cutscene with him in the middle of it all. And then the devs will get on social media and tell the LGBT community about how much we mean to them, and they'll add in more content for us "if it makes sense." Surely that's adequate damage control for the greedy gays. >_> The "if it makes sense" never made sense. If super macho mShep could be gay then no one is really off the table in this regard. And, to be honest, people generally don't know I'm gay unless I say something about a boyfriend or mention some guy is hot. By the context, if I were in the game they'd make me straight because I wouldn't "make sense" to be gay.
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Post by Salty Drell on May 6, 2017 20:14:22 GMT
Oh just you wait for the 'm/m improvements' friend. I want to meet this man, I heard he cooks good shit.
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I want to meet this man, I heard he cooks good shit. Oh is he a cook? I just thought he was hot and salty.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 20:27:34 GMT
Scott's magnificent hero dick has made Suvi see the light and now she's thirsty for it. The romance culminates in Suvi inviting all of her hot girlfriends to Scott's room for a lovingly-crafted orgy cutscene with him in the middle of it all. And then the devs will get on social media and tell the LGBT community about how much we mean to them, and they'll add in more content for us "if it makes sense." Surely that's adequate damage control for the greedy gays. >_> The "if it makes sense" never made sense. If super macho mShep could be gay then no one is really off the table in this regard. And, to be honest, people generally don't know I'm gay unless I say something about a boyfriend or mention some guy is hot. By the context, if I were in the game they'd make me straight because I wouldn't "make sense" to be gay. The "Make sense" never works unless a character's whole personality revolves around their orientation tbh.
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Post by coldchrome on May 6, 2017 21:48:45 GMT
The "if it makes sense" never made sense. If super macho mShep could be gay then no one is really off the table in this regard. And, to be honest, people generally don't know I'm gay unless I say something about a boyfriend or mention some guy is hot. By the context, if I were in the game they'd make me straight because I wouldn't "make sense" to be gay. The "Make sense" never works unless a character's whole personality revolves around their orientation tbh. I can't wait for the day we get a gay romance that is just a random gay that likes to suck dick, and his story isn't around how wrong it is to be gay or his gay dead husband or how much he needs to make babies.
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Post by JadePrince on May 6, 2017 21:52:56 GMT
I didn't know Suvi's romance had a lab scene! Normally I wouldn't approve of sex in the lab 'cause hygiene, but those scientists were annoying. Soooooooo I'm very here for Suvi/Sara lab sex. IKR Suvi eating out Sara in the lab! Yes, good. Keep giving me ideas to put on my To-Draw list.
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Post by Salty Drell on May 6, 2017 21:57:33 GMT
The "Make sense" never works unless a character's whole personality revolves around their orientation tbh. I can't wait for the day we get a gay romance that is just a random gay that likes to suck dick, and his story isn't around how wrong it is to be gay or his gay dead husband or how much he needs to make babies. That'll be the day. :srs:
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Post by Mihura on May 6, 2017 21:58:38 GMT
None of the articles mentioned other BW games. It was 'First gay Dragon Age squadmate.' Hence my annoyance. He and Sera were both the first but apparently she just wasn't worth the same coverage. Having a gay man in video games is much more controversial than having a lesbian in one, and everyone knows exactly why. Remember Tracer from Overwatch? How there was controversy? Now picture the pushback if one of the male characters was revealed to be gay (or, heaven forbid, trans) instead. Openly gay men are still a big controversy in games, ME:A is living proof. Also, Dorian is an important character to David Gaider, who was the lead writer in Inquisition. He probably talked more about Dorian because of how personal it was to him as a gay man. It is the same really... sure there are different levels of controversy for different reasons but everyone gets shit for being other than straight.
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Post by Aurora on May 6, 2017 22:05:32 GMT
The "Make sense" never works unless a character's whole personality revolves around their orientation tbh. I can't wait for the day we get a gay romance that is just a random gay that likes to suck dick, and his story isn't around how wrong it is to be gay or his gay dead husband or how much he needs to make babies. Get 👏 on 👏 it 👏 Bioware 👏
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Post by Sifr on May 6, 2017 22:05:34 GMT
Yeah, that is where her culmination scene takes place. You go there instead of the Pathfinder's Quarters and there is a sweet scene that fades to black as they kiss, leaving it up to the player what happens after that, from lab sex to just kissing and everything in-between. I heard that they they locked the lab to perform in-depth geographical survey, with particular focus on interesting peaks and valleys they wanted to explore. The lab being in complete disarray afterwards was due to their work requiring them to use most of the table, as well as part of the floor. See... there's a perfectly innocent explanation for everything!
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Post by Mihura on May 6, 2017 22:06:19 GMT
Scott's magnificent hero dick has made Suvi see the light and now she's thirsty for it. The romance culminates in Suvi inviting all of her hot girlfriends to Scott's room for a lovingly-crafted orgy cutscene with him in the middle of it all. And then the devs will get on social media and tell the LGBT community about how much we mean to them, and they'll add in more content for us "if it makes sense." Surely that's adequate damage control for the greedy gays. >_> Please bioware let the gays rest in peace.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 6, 2017 22:13:18 GMT
Scott's magnificent hero dick has made Suvi see the light and now she's thirsty for it. The romance culminates in Suvi inviting all of her hot girlfriends to Scott's room for a lovingly-crafted orgy cutscene with him in the middle of it all. And then the devs will get on social media and tell the LGBT community about how much we mean to them, and they'll add in more content for us "if it makes sense." Surely that's adequate damage control for the greedy gays. >_> Ah, Suvi the unicorn.. (I am speaking as one..I'd think I'd explode and spread white chlorination syndrome everywhere if such shit happens. But I'm praying to [Deity/Entity of choice] that this is just some sick apocalyptic dystopia you imagined there) I just remembered my emotion when I heard Jack tell me that she had a girlfriend and then finding out that only magic of cis-shepard hetero-cock can "heal jacks trauma" and conclude her character ark fully and...fuck, I think I just threw up a little into my mouth.... Then I tried to rationalize my anger away and tell me that, no, it was just a thing of her past and as we know she got used and abused (Oh hey, edginess and rape again, long time no see.) so the couple she talks about must have been abusers and so Jack isn't really Bi and its my stupidity to hope. Then.. I hear Jack on the Citadel appreciating Tali's look and implying that she, if she was a little less inhibited and knew how to get that suit open, would like to have some gay times with her.. .....
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Post by Pain Delta on May 6, 2017 22:31:14 GMT
Having a gay man in video games is much more controversial than having a lesbian in one, and everyone knows exactly why. Remember Tracer from Overwatch? How there was controversy? Now picture the pushback if one of the male characters was revealed to be gay (or, heaven forbid, trans) instead. Openly gay men are still a big controversy in games, ME:A is living proof. Also, Dorian is an important character to David Gaider, who was the lead writer in Inquisition. He probably talked more about Dorian because of how personal it was to him as a gay man. It is the same really... sure there are different levels of controversy for different reasons but everyone gets shit for being other than straight. lol how did I miss that video during the Tracer Lesbian Outrage To add onto your point, it is very much the same in that a lot of straight men dislike bi/gay male characters because they feel like a friendship with them is tainted by any perceived attraction towards them, and lesbian characters are threatening because of a complete lack of attraction to their playercharacter (and by extension, themselves). Bi female characters aren't threatening to them because there is still a potential attraction and the assumption that they ultimately want a man and that women are just for fun- they are heavily fetishized so it is hardly a good thing. This thought process was shown during the whole Tracer fiasco, when she was confirmed a lesbian and not bisexual by the writers, so even the men who were okay with her potentially being bi were upset. Using the amount of bisexual female characters as proof that lesbians have it better (which isn't what anyone in their quotethread is doing but it goes hand in hand with this idea) is ignoring that the one lesbian character in Dragon Age is reviled, knowing that if she was bisexual and made to visibly appeal to men rather than lesbians her abrasive personality would've been excused more, and that Suvi was an afterthought whose existence barely made it into the game as is and had to be fought for. However I will say I understand thinking so just because I know I am lucky I can have a few fleshed out romance options (even though they are heterosexual inteded copypasted messes lol)
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Post by JadePrince on May 6, 2017 22:36:57 GMT
*SNIP* ps.. I read weekes about how he heard that people would've wished the ability to indicate as the PC that they know the feelings Krem has.. Srsly the ability to modify an NB protagonist, a trans protag would mean the world to me. No joke, this is like... one of the biggest things I wish I could see in the next DA game. Just... let me chose my body and pronouns/voice separately, please? And if there's dialogue options that let me drop the hint that my PC is trans (especially if Mae is going to be in the game, I would love the opportunity to bond with her over shared experiences), that would be amazing too. I really wanted to be able to tell Krem "I feel you, bro." I know it might complicate things with romances tho... Like, how does the game decide to gate the PC against certain romances? If it's a straight LI, can you romance them if you have a 'female' body only? or female pronouns only? Or some other way? (Of course, if they would just go back to four bisexual romances and save the varied representation for the non-romancable characters, this wouldn't even be a problem. >_____>)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 6, 2017 22:53:21 GMT
One thing that really makes me angry is the fact that if it hadn't been for Sheryl Chee (saving the day for LGBT yet again), the devs would've reversed their decision to have even one lesbian-exclusive LI because a handful of gamerbro playtesters said they were upset that they couldn't romance Suvi, despite having three other options in the fucking squad even. The devs were seriously that quick to try to placate them. The LGBT community meanwhile made it no secret for years that we'd like to see M/M get better representation...and we all know how that turned out. Seriously, the ME team clearly has elements in it that just need to not be there. Don't worry, with Chee no longer in ME:A team our next DLC will add Suvi fling option for Scott. With sex scene. And will copypaste it for f/f. I doubt it, especially with the hot water they are in right now regarding representation. Now I can see the next DLC having sex scenes for the romances that didn't in the base game, like Suvi.
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Post by Pain Delta on May 6, 2017 22:56:08 GMT
*SNIP* ps.. I read weekes about how he heard that people would've wished the ability to indicate as the PC that they know the feelings Krem has.. Srsly the ability to modify an NB protagonist, a trans protag would mean the world to me. No joke, this is like... one of the biggest things I wish I could see in the next DA game. Just... let me chose my body and pronouns/voice separately, please? And if there's dialogue options that let me drop the hint that my PC is trans (especially if Mae is going to be in the game, I would love the opportunity to bond with her over shared experiences), that would be amazing too. I really wanted to be able to tell Krem "I feel you, bro." I know it might complicate things with romances tho... Like, how does the game decide to gate the PC against certain romances? If it's a straight LI, can you romance them if you have a 'female' body only? or female pronouns only? Or some other way? (Of course, if they would just go back to four bisexual romances and save the varied representation for the non-romancable characters, this wouldn't even be a problem. >_____>) Tbh going back to a full bisexual squad and resigning gay/lesbian identities to outside support characters isn't a great way to go, as much as I would love to have a guaranteed romance. I like the potential 2/2/2 formula, though in practice it just makes lesbians and gay men get the shaft. Ideally they all get an about equal romance in terms of length and quality and be made with the orientation in mind. I realize I like this because I like sexuality to be important to the character, unlike how some people like it to be subtle and happenstance- Sera's blatant lesbianism and Dorian being formed and impacted by his sexuality is relatable rather than alienating to me. To have these stories and character types relegated to rando NPCs would kinda suck. I totally get the view tho lol I flip flop on this all the time just because like............................ Cassandra (and Morrigan really)
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Post by JadePrince on May 6, 2017 23:05:41 GMT
No joke, this is like... one of the biggest things I wish I could see in the next DA game. Just... let me chose my body and pronouns/voice separately, please? And if there's dialogue options that let me drop the hint that my PC is trans (especially if Mae is going to be in the game, I would love the opportunity to bond with her over shared experiences), that would be amazing too. I really wanted to be able to tell Krem "I feel you, bro." I know it might complicate things with romances tho... Like, how does the game decide to gate the PC against certain romances? If it's a straight LI, can you romance them if you have a 'female' body only? or female pronouns only? Or some other way? (Of course, if they would just go back to four bisexual romances and save the varied representation for the non-romancable characters, this wouldn't even be a problem. >_____>) Tbh going back to a full bisexual squad and resigning gay/lesbian identities to outside support characters isn't a great way to go, as much as I would love to have a guaranteed romance. I like the potential 2/2/2 formula, though in practice it just makes lesbians and gay men get the shaft. Ideally they all get an about equal romance in terms of length and quality and be made with the orientation in mind. I realize I like this because I like sexuality to be important to the character, unlike how some people like it to be subtle and happenstance- Sera's blatant lesbianism and Dorian being formed and impacted by his sexuality is relatable rather than alienating to me. To have these stories and character types relegated to rando NPCs would kinda suck. I totally get the view tho lol I flip flop on this all the time just because like............................ Cassandra (and Morrigan really) Oh yeah, i fluctuate on it all the time, too. I just miss the feelings DA2 gave me of pure equality and being able to choose the plot relevant LIs no matter who your PC was. Everyone got a squadmate/companion and noone was jealous of eachothers options. 2/2/2 would be wonderful if the gay/bi characers could be counted on to be in the squad and important, but it's hard to trust anymore after MEA (even if DA is made by a different team). I like sexuality to be important to the character too, but I would be okay with romancing only bisexual characters if there were other important characters central to the story and/or on the squad who were other orientations, just not romancable. I'm just tired of seeing my gay sisters never get the butch LI cuz she's straight and gay men never getting the sensitive/sweet/emotional male LIs because they're "made for women" (whatever the fuck that means).
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Post by Mihura on May 6, 2017 23:16:16 GMT
*SNIP* ps.. I read weekes about how he heard that people would've wished the ability to indicate as the PC that they know the feelings Krem has.. Srsly the ability to modify an NB protagonist, a trans protag would mean the world to me. No joke, this is like... one of the biggest things I wish I could see in the next DA game. Just... let me chose my body and pronouns/voice separately, please? And if there's dialogue options that let me drop the hint that my PC is trans (especially if Mae is going to be in the game, I would love the opportunity to bond with her over shared experiences), that would be amazing too. I really wanted to be able to tell Krem "I feel you, bro." I know it might complicate things with romances tho... Like, how does the game decide to gate the PC against certain romances? If it's a straight LI, can you romance them if you have a 'female' body only? or female pronouns only? Or some other way? (Of course, if they would just go back to four bisexual romances and save the varied representation for the non-romancable characters, this wouldn't even be a problem. >_____>) With the LIs I would say go for the pronouns, so it is quite easy. If you choose he than you can have those romances available for he, if you choose she than you have romances available for she. Of course it is quite limited but better than getting stuck playing cis characters all the time and only headcanon their gender.
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Post by Artemis on May 6, 2017 23:20:59 GMT
Tbh going back to a full bisexual squad and resigning gay/lesbian identities to outside support characters isn't a great way to go, as much as I would love to have a guaranteed romance. I like the potential 2/2/2 formula, though in practice it just makes lesbians and gay men get the shaft. Ideally they all get an about equal romance in terms of length and quality and be made with the orientation in mind. I realize I like this because I like sexuality to be important to the character, unlike how some people like it to be subtle and happenstance- Sera's blatant lesbianism and Dorian being formed and impacted by his sexuality is relatable rather than alienating to me. To have these stories and character types relegated to rando NPCs would kinda suck. I totally get the view tho lol I flip flop on this all the time just because like............................ Cassandra (and Morrigan really) Oh yeah, i fluctuate on it all the time, too. I just miss the feelings DA2 gave me of pure equality and being able to choose the plot relevant LIs no matter who your PC was. Everyone got a squadmate/companion and noone was jealous of eachothers options. 2/2/2 would be wonderful if the gay/bi characers could be counted on to be in the squad and important, but it's hard to trust anymore after MEA (even if DA is made by a different team). I like sexuality to be important to the character too, but I would be okay with romancing only bisexual characters if there were other important characters central to the story and/or on the squad who were other orientations, just not romancable. I'm just tired of seeing my gay sisters never get the butch LI cuz she's straight and gay men never getting the sensitive/sweet/emotional male LIs because they're "made for women" (whatever the fuck that means). The problem with having sexuality be important to the character is that it never is for straight characters. That may be because for the writers of these characters, the straight experience is the "default" experience, whereas the LGBT experience is strange enough that it becomes a significant part of the character's life and personality - strange in the sense that it "sticks out" in this world in a way heterosexuality doesn't. Another thing that bothers me about that is the setting. Before DAI, there was no real stigma against not being straight. No one really ever stood out because of their sexuality, straight or otherwise. Oh, you had Zevran being super cautious with a male Warden, but that was on account of the audience; you don't want to accidentally trick that dudebro into sleeping with a man! ( And yet some idiots still did.) I don't think it's a coincidence that Leliana's relationship with the female Warden does not contain the same level of caution (and yet how many people complained afterward of being "ninjamanced" by Leliana - the writing team really had no concern that their straight male audience would be bothered by this). For this reason, the "heart" icon was introduced in DA2; this "protected" straight male players from "accidentally" sleeping with another man; nevertheless, straight male players STILL complained about Anders flirtatious dialogue with Hawke regardless of gender - perhaps to their surprise, the average straight male player was even more sensitive than they realized; not only could he not bear to accidentally sleep with a male set of pixels, but he couldn't even stand being hit on by one. But by the time we get to DAI, it turns out this society is homophobic (or at least one country is, and then there's the excerpt from Genitivi's manuscript that I think suggests queer relationships are seen as "odd" - WHY?) as well as a bit transphobic (since your inquisitor has the opportunity to ask Krem some extremely insulting questions). These writers built a society that had absolutely no reason to discriminate against the LGBT experience; the prevailing religion says nothing against that experience, and that's generally where a great deal of homophobia stems from in the real world (religious bigotry). So, to me it rings false, and is a sign of a not-so-great writing. I edited this post a lot and now have no idea if it makes sense :noo:
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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 6, 2017 23:25:57 GMT
Tbh going back to a full bisexual squad and resigning gay/lesbian identities to outside support characters isn't a great way to go, as much as I would love to have a guaranteed romance. I like the potential 2/2/2 formula, though in practice it just makes lesbians and gay men get the shaft. Ideally they all get an about equal romance in terms of length and quality and be made with the orientation in mind. I realize I like this because I like sexuality to be important to the character, unlike how some people like it to be subtle and happenstance- Sera's blatant lesbianism and Dorian being formed and impacted by his sexuality is relatable rather than alienating to me. To have these stories and character types relegated to rando NPCs would kinda suck. I totally get the view tho lol I flip flop on this all the time just because like............................ Cassandra (and Morrigan really) Oh yeah, i fluctuate on it all the time, too. I just miss the feelings DA2 gave me of pure equality and being able to choose the plot relevant LIs no matter who your PC was. Everyone got a squadmate/companion and noone was jealous of eachothers options. 2/2/2 would be wonderful if the gay/bi characers could be counted on to be in the squad and important, but it's hard to trust anymore after MEA (even if DA is made by a different team). I like sexuality to be important to the character too, but I would be okay with romancing only bisexual characters if there were other important characters central to the story and/or on the squad who were other orientations, just not romancable. I'm just tired of seeing my gay sisters never get the butch LI cuz she's straight and gay men never getting the sensitive/sweet/emotional male LIs because they're "made for women" (whatever the fuck that means). Yeah, my view is that, given that the same-sex only attracted characters seem to draw these stories where the fact that they are only attracted to people of the same sex becomes an active part of their story, where it's their biggest source of angst, until writers can get it through their heads that there are ways to write queer characters that don't treat their queerness that way, all bi options are the way to go, purely because it expands the field of stories - amazingly, it's not my frustrations with being queer that are the sole source of angst in my life. Like that was the joy for me in DA2, I honestly felt equal to straight players for freaking once. And then Inquisition and Andromeda happened, and... ugh. It felt not just like a step back but a punch in the gut for daring to think that I could see queer characters who weren't angsty as a direct result of their sexuality.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 23:31:52 GMT
One thing that really makes me angry is the fact that if it hadn't been for Sheryl Chee (saving the day for LGBT yet again), the devs would've reversed their decision to have even one lesbian-exclusive LI because a handful of gamerbro playtesters said they were upset that they couldn't romance Suvi, despite having three other options in the fucking squad even. The devs were seriously that quick to try to placate them. The LGBT community meanwhile made it no secret for years that we'd like to see M/M get better representation...and we all know how that turned out. Seriously, the ME team clearly has elements in it that just need to not be there. Don't worry, with Chee no longer in ME:A team our next DLC will add Suvi fling option for Scott. With sex scene. And will copypaste it for f/f. All romances should have sex scenes. Several of them. These characters are adults.
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